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Hietel Jackel

Key Info
Crew: Three (two pilot and one engineer)
Capacity: 15 passengers or 9,500 lbs of cargo in internal/external hard points
Length: 19.2 m
Height: 3.12 m
Rotor diameter: 21 m
Empty Weight: 16,000 lbs
Loaded Weight: 25,000 lbs
Powerplant: 2× Turbomeca Arrius 2B or Pratt & Whitney Canada PW206B turboshafts, 435 kW (583 shp) each

Performance
Maximum speed: 259 km/h (162 mph)
Range: 595 km (372 mi)
Rate of climb: 7.62 m/s (1,500 ft/min)

Armament
2x Side door mounted PKM GPMGs

Price: 2,000,000 USDs
Operators: Greston Army



Hietel K1 (Attack Model)

Key Info
Crew: four (two pilots, one weapons operator and one engineer)
Capacity: 10 passengers or 4,500 lbs of cargo in Internal/external hardpoints
Length: 19.3 m
Height: 3.13 m
Rotor diameter: 21 m
Empty Weight: 15,300 lbs
Loaded Weight: 21,200 lbs
Powerplant: 2× Turbomeca Arrius 2B or Pratt & Whitney Canada PW206B turboshafts, 435 kW (583 shp) each

Performance
Maximum speed: 259 km/h (162 mph)
Range: 595 km (372 mi)
Rate of climb: 7.62 m/s (1,500 ft/min)

Armament
1x 27.62mm multi-barrel Minigun, or 2 40mm Grenade launchers, or 1 of each, in nose-mounted turret
1x 2.75in (70mm) rockets - 14 rockets mounted in M or M launchers
1x Minigun pod or 20mm cannon pod

Price: 3,000,000
Operators: Greston Army



Hietel C17 (Attack Model)

Key Info
Crew: five (two pilots, two weapons operator and one engineer)
Capacity: 10 passengers or 4,500 lbs of cargo in Internal/external hardpoints
Length: 19.3 m
Height: 3.13 m
Rotor diameter: 21 m
Empty Weight: 15,300 lbs
Loaded Weight: 21,200 lbs
Powerplant: 2× Turbomeca Arrius 2B or Pratt & Whitney Canada PW206B turboshafts, 435 kW (583 shp) each

Performance
Maximum speed: 259 km/h (162 mph)
Range: 595 km (372 mi)
Rate of climb: 7.62 m/s (1,500 ft/min)

Armament
1x flexible 12.7 mm Yakushev-Borzov YaKB-12.7 Gatling gun on most variants
1x fixed GSh-30K
1x flexible GSh-23L
1x PKT door mounted machine guns

Price: 3,700,000
Operators: Greston Army, Greal Army




Hietel C45 (Naval Model)

Key Info
Crew: four (two pilots, one weapons operator and one engineer)
Capacity: 10 passengers or 4,500 lbs of cargo in Internal/external hardpoints
Length: 19.3 m
Height: 3.13 m
Rotor diameter: 21 m
Empty Weight: 15,300 lbs
Loaded Weight: 21,200 lbs
Powerplant: 2× Turbomeca Arrius 2B or Pratt & Whitney Canada PW206B turboshafts, 435 kW (583 shp) each

Performance
Maximum speed: 259 km/h (162 mph)
Range: 595 km (372 mi)
Rate of climb: 7.62 m/s (1,500 ft/min)

Armament
1x M197 3-barreled 20mm "Gatling-style" cannon (750 rounds ammo capacity)
1x 2.75in (70mm) rockets - 14 rockets mounted in M or M launchers
2x TOW Missiles - 4 or 8 missiles mounted in two-missile launchers on each hardpoint

Price: 4,000,000
Operators: Greston Army

we need 1000 Hietel C17s (Attack Model) for 3.7 billion

Okay it will arrive in two NS monthes (2 RL days).
OOC: it's about that oil filds found and BC is attacking, yes I been watching

Okay it will arrive in two NS monthes (2 RL days).
OOC: it's about that oil filds found and BC is attacking, yes I been watching

wired you the money.

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Hietel Jackel

1x flexible 12.7 mm Yakushev-Borzov YaKB-12.7 Gatling gun on most variants
1x fixed GSh-30K on the Mi-24P/VP
1x flexible GSh-23L on the Mi-24VP
1x PKT door mounted machine guns


I'm assuming you did the same as Hataria?

What? Are you saying I copyied Hataria? No I didn't I got that from a real Assualt Helicopter.

What? Are you saying I copyied Hataria? No I didn't I got that from a real Assualt Helicopter.

No, I mean you did the same as Hataria and copied the stats or changed them a bit before posting it as your own design.

What? Are you saying I copyied Hataria? No I didn't I got that from a real Assualt Helicopter.

That's what he's saying. Hataria practically copied the...what was it? Mi-21? -24? I dunno.

I didn't copy him, I used the same guns as him because when he was doing the research he must have went to the same place as I did

I didn't copy him, I used the same guns as him because when he was doing the research he must have went to the same place as I did

Let me guess, Wikipedia?

Seriously, at least, you could have taken the time to review the stats you copied and erased any trace.

Like the "Mi-24" thingy.

I didn't copy Hataria get that through your head, and just because I have a MI-24 doesn't mean I copied him, I used an RL gun thats all. I don't want to create a gun for an helicopter so I used an RL gun. A lot of other people use RL guns, but only when I use one I am labeled a copyier. If you think I copyied Hataria get the heak out of this thread and go bother someone else.

I didn't copy Hataria get that through your head, and just because I have a MI-24 doesn't mean I copied him, I used an RL gun thats all. I don't want to create a gun for an helicopter so I used an RL gun. A lot of other people use RL guns, but only when I use one I am labeled a copyier. If you think I copyied Hataria get the heak out of this thread and go bother someone else.

Dammit, I never you said you copied Hataria, get that through your thick skull, will ya'?

I'm just saying you copied the stats from Wikipedia, like Hataria did (leaving the Mi-24 and stuff on the info).

The damning bit is that your helicopter stat block doesn't even get rid of the refrence heli. You left the mi-24 in there.

I tought that was the friggin gun! Okay I now know I suck at making helicopters too because I don't know that a name of a RL one is Mi-24. Sorry.

It's not so much that but the lot of us who design our own equipment take the time and effort to come up with indeginous solutions to problems, unique systems, thorough conceptual progression. Hack job copy & pastes are indeed looked down upon.

OOC:
To be brutally honest, weapons stats that look ok in the context of thier original parent aircraft's wikipedia page often don't really work when transferred into custom designs.
But to add soem cirticism: take the weaponry listing for the naval version and transfer it to the K1 after you have refroamted it alogn these lines:
Weaponry:
1 Nose mount M197 20mm rotary barrel cannon
4 Stub wing hard points capable of accepting 4 tube TOW ATGM launchers, 19tube 2.75" (71mm) Rocket launchers or a variety of other gun and rocket pods.
I say this as the 20mm is a much better weapon than the minigun/40mm grendade combo. Oh and you don't need a sperate weaposn system officer, just make your co pilot the gunner, the pilot is generally perfectly capable of using any fixed forward weapons while the copilot/gunner can handle aimable things like the gun or giuded missiles, the engineer/creif cheif/loadmamster is a debatable role, i would keep it if you intend design as an armed transport as opposed to a proper gunship.

I assume the C17 is supposed to be simialr to AH-47 "guns a gogo" in that it is a transport helicopter but with a number of aimable amchien guns on each side. If this is a case dump the soviet weaponry, stick a M197 in the nose (as on the K1) and mount 2 GAU-19s on each side.

What exactly are you intending the C45 naval model to be? an assault transport or a prper naval helicopter? if it is supposed to be a proper naval design it needs a radar, ideally paired with a decent IR sensor system. Plus it should have the capability to launhc anti shipping missiles such as harpoon or exocet (or at the very least sea skua, pengiun or mavrick).

Finally all your armed versions should have a higher empty weight than the basic transport to accoutn for moutned gun system, ammo feeds and structural reinfrocement for hard points.