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First Hataria will start off with The Imperial Navy

6 Cobra Class Grand Battleships
1 Shogun Class Grand Battleship
230 Nakagishima Class Destroyers
1,290 Ayanami Class Destroyers
1,000 Empire Class Destroyers
100 Sharktooth class Battleships
1,300 Asakura Class Battlecruisers
1,200 Dead Moon Class Battlecruisers
1,700 Spearhead Class Missile Cruisers
1,000 Umi Class Caravels
100 Imperium Class Super Aircraft Carriers
1,200 Rangoon Class War Galleons
2,000 Allosaur Class Corvette
1,220 Duck-Hunter Class Anti-Aircraft Frigates
1,000 Portuguese Man O' War Class Battleships
200 Golden Queen Galaxia Class Aircraft Carriers
100 Black Lady Class Carriers
789 Fisherman Class Anti-Submarine Destroyers
1,000 Tangalee Class Attack Submarines
290 Sea Wolf Class Missile Submarines
120 Kraken Class Troop carrier Submarines
1,800 Market Class Fleet Tenders
500 Threaher Shark Class Cutters
100 Oni Class Helicopter Carriers.
500 Kapa Class Fuel Tankers.
90 Angel Class Hospital Ships.

OOC: Those numbers are way too big to be produced in only one year, much less with no military bases or facilities.

OOC: Plus, that would bankrupt you Hat, Even half of that, or heck, even a quarter might bankrupt you, you're in debt Hat, up to your neck. How do you expect your citizen's to be rich, if the country's bankrupt....

As a rule of thumb, it takes around two or three years to build a battleship during peace time on normal footing. You can, of course, lay down multiple hulls simultaneously and work on them, but somehow I doubt you can lay down thousands.

those ships made of cardboard? my nation spends 51 trillion on Defence and we have only slightly more than 2000 ships in our entire navy; even with our most advanced Synthetic alloys and other ship building methods we just can't create that many ships in just a YEAR. it would take you at least 15 or more with ideal conditions which...Hataria is not last I checked you had ever Port and construction facility bombed into a Radioactive Crater. so you're going to have to rebuild those too which takes time.

in short Hataria; your navy is bollocks. cut those numbers by at least 75% and you might have something reasonable even then your going to have to contract out for others building yards since yours were turned to glass.

Oh anyone else notice how out of all Hataria's navy he only has 90 Hospital Ships out of over 15,000

ooc: What about trade? Isn't trade a bit of a posiblity? Just wondering, these "calculators" really confuse me

OOC: The amount of ships aren't as bad, but you simply cannot build even a quarter as much of these in a year.

Why use so many different classes of destroyer, and different classes of cruiser, and different types of battleship? I find it a lot easier to just stick to one general-purpose destroyer class, and one cruiser class, and maybe a couple of battleship types, a heavy battleship (600 - 1,000 KT) and a superdreadnaught (2,000 - 6,000 KT). Maybe one (ONE!) supercapital (15,000+ KT).

As for smaller ships like frigates, I generally don't detail them too closely, I use them mainly as coastal defense ships.

ooc: What about trade? Isn't trade a bit of a posiblity? Just wondering, these "calculators" really confuse me

thats why I use my own; I just use the Calc to get my GDP then split my economy how I want it so I have control of things I think people are taking most issue with the fact that he's got these ships in ONE YEAR when theres other things he could certainly put money into like Schools and hospitals and housing. unless he wants to end up a failed state like North Korea

Hell, in wartime I can only make two to three ships every 9-11 months! And that's with my economy going down the toilet.

My navy has only three hundred (yes, 300) ships. There's no way you have thousands of ships.

OOC: he's about 500 times larger than you....how did you get 300 ships?

Hell, in wartime I can only make two to three ships every 9-11 months! And that's with my economy going down the toilet.

My navy has only three hundred (yes, 300) ships. There's no way you have thousands of ships.

Your also significantly smaller. Hat can support it, he just cant build it all in ONE year.

Hell, in wartime I can only make two to three ships every 9-11 months! And that's with my economy going down the toilet.

My navy has only three hundred (yes, 300) ships. There's no way you have thousands of ships.

OOC: he's about 500 times larger than you....how did you get 300 ships?

Sumguy you must remember that Hataria was pretty much destroyed and pwned and all that jazz, so him having all those ships might be a bit... yikes.

As for the guy with 300 ships, I assume they're either crap or his economy is not so good. Fah I don't know anything about numbers, I just write fart jokes and whatnot.

He has 1,300 battleships. I don't care how big you are. You can't manufacture and maintain that amount of battleships. How much did it cost to maintain a single Iowa class in the early 90s? Now scale that to the scale of NS battleships.

Hataria, if you're still here, could you possibly trim down that list, because it seems really too big.

ooc:the calculators for NS are BS...I use my own too..makes a lot more sense that way and is more logical I don't see how he can build anything considering he was nuked at the very LEAST a few dozen times Hat is an inhabitable wasteland and in no shape to be building a navy especially since I believe it was naval ports airbases and factories that were the targets of the nuclear attack..

OOC: I am pretty sure Hat has decided to ignore the fact that all his industries are nuked gone and dead. Don't be surprised that my men go on a genocidal rampage if he evicts Wanderjar.

ooc: you'll have my support then...hopefully after that i can finally go a week without seeing some massive thread tied into Hataria and about how he's possibly going to attempt expansionism again..or about some military buildup of his etc etc...its gotten quite old...

OOC: I am pretty sure Hat has decided to ignore the fact that all his industries are nuked gone and dead. Don't be surprised that my men go on a genocidal rampage if he evicts Wanderjar.

in all fairness whats the point? he'll just ignore that too

in all fairness whats the point? he'll just ignore that too


ooc: Why dont we all just ignore him for awhile..maybe he'll change his ways then..

ooc: Why dont we all just ignore him for awhile..maybe he'll change his ways then..

OOC: Its been tried.

OOC: Um, that's larger than NS's resident naval superpower, Questers...I don't think that's possible, especially considering he's 03, and Hataria's 04. I'm not sure Hataria can support that.

OOC: I spoke to Hataria last night on MSN about this fleet and he cited the fact that the USA built 100 cargo ships in six months during WW2 as a reason how he could build so many ships. I don't know whether that is true or not, but Hataria, I would still remind you that:
1. The USA's military-industrial complex had not been subject to a massive nuclear attack
2. Cargo ships are a lot easier to build than those ships - less time, less resources
3. I imagine that merchant sailors are cheaper and quicker to train than military sailors
4. The USA was not undergoing a dramatic expansion of its border at the same time

Feel free to shoot any of these points down, I know nothing about navies lol

OOC: Its been tried.

ooc: Damn...well then just commit genocide on him then...if everyone else concurs with it then he won't really be able to ignore it..

OOC: I spoke to Hataria last night on MSN about this fleet and he cited the fact that the USA built 100 cargo ships in six months during WW2 as a reason how he could build so many ships. I don't know whether that is true or not, but Hataria, I would still remind you that:
1. The USA's military-industrial complex had not been subject to a massive nuclear attack
2. Cargo ships are a lot easier to build than those ships - less time, less resources
3. I imagine that merchant sailors are cheaper and quicker to train than military sailors
4. The USA was not undergoing a dramatic expansion of its border at the same time

Feel free to shoot any of these points down, I know nothing about navies lol

Yes the USA built a lot of ships in a very quick time during ww2..but exactly they were cargo ships..Liberty ships..I believe they were called...they were very very inexpensive and easy to build...and often had mechanical or structural problems...but they weren't anywhere near as advanced as a battleship or aircraft carrier which still took a lengthy amount of time to build..so yea if Hat wants a fleet where the hulls of his ships will crack and erode rather quickly or get damaged easily in rough seas..and wants his battleships to be tiny..liberty ships only displaced like 14,000 tons..small compared to a battleship...then by all means let Hat have his navy

OOC: Plus, that would bankrupt you Hat, Even half of that, or heck, even a quarter might bankrupt you, you're in debt Hat, up to your neck. How do you expect your citizen's to be rich, if the country's bankrupt....

How much money does he owe? And to whom?

How much money does he owe? And to whom?

No, it WOULD backrupt him. He doesn't owe any money because the treaty said the nations had to give money to him, not vice versa. But he didn't sign it anyway.

So...how does one calculate how many ships one has?

So...how does one calculate how many ships one has?

Depends on your budget and the type of ships really. Each ships costs money each year to maintain, probaly 1/10th their purchase price or so. Then you also have to pay for new supplies and pay your sailors.

So...how does one calculate how many ships one has?

... Add them up? :confused:

How much money does he owe? And to whom?

He does owe money I guess, to all the nation's he caused trouble, but I digress, he doesn't really owe money, I was just saying that he'd run out of money really quick. He's kinda like Russia, who almost ran out of money, because they had too much equipment for their need's.

Depends on your budget and the type of ships really. Each ships costs money each year to maintain, probaly 1/10th their purchase price or so. Then you also have to pay for new supplies and pay your sailors.
Ah. Thank you.

Ah. Thank you.

Sure. TG me if you have any more questions.

Official Allanean Department of Commerce Post

We wish to give the Hatarian Navy 250 billion dollars so they could rebuild themselves, buy more ships and become strong.

Official Allanean Department of Commerce Post

We wish to give the Hatarian Navy 250 billion dollars so they could rebuild themselves, buy more ships and become strong.

ooc:....Why...why...now I'm gonna have to see Hataria threads even longer..quit enabling him !

Maybe he´s bluffing...

ooc: Well he's an idiot if he's bluffing...already there are nations lined up to take him out and instead of engaging him in a costly war they'll just nuke him entirely off the map...which my government will now advocate the entire annihilation of the Hatarian menace..

Hataria: weren't you just nuked?

If so, your country would be radioactive plate glass and would be in no shape to build a navy that size...unless the ships are made of radioactive plate glass.

OOC: Personally, I wonder how the emperor survived the nuke fest. I'm sure numerous ones targeted him. I think the only way to stop this from happening again is to have a multinational invasion where they kill every single hatarian- down to the last child. If there are 0 people in his nation, he can't really rebuild, can he?

OOC: Oh, but the fun of extermination can't be found by carpetbombing.

OOC: Or you all could just carpet bomb his country... with nukes.

OOC: Or you all could just carpet bomb his country... with nukes.

OOC: its been done..................twice that i can remember

ooc: Basically..to defeat Hat all we have to do is just not reply to his threads or posts for awhile and he'll either go away or learn his lesson....but thats never going to happen...so...I say someone from FT just shoot his nation with some super ray that kills everything..just take out the entire xandau or w/e region while your at it since they insist on supporting Hat...

The Atopian nuclear strike was designed to take out the Hatarian military and its supporting assets, not wipe out the Hatarian population as a whole. Hataria does have the overwhelming majority of his population surviving the Atopian attack, I think he only took 12 million casualties...plenty of people to RP a decent comeback with

OOC: Oh, but the fun of extermination can't be found by carpetbombing.

BL, I bloody love you :D Sigged

The Atopian nuclear strike was designed to take out the Hatarian military and its supporting assets, not wipe out the Hatarian population as a whole. Hataria does have the overwhelming majority of his population surviving the Atopian attack, I think he only took 12 million casualties...plenty of people to RP a decent comeback with



BL, I bloody love you :D Sigged

ooc: I'd prefer if we just nuked him to the point where the only thing living were giant mutated marine iguanas that breath radioactive fire..and then those can terrorize the region thats foolish enough to support him...but I suppose we can do that after hordes on international soldiers come through and burn every settlement to the ground..with the inhabitants locked inside of course...:cool:

OOC: So, who would support me declaring war on Hataria to commit said extermination/genocide/slaughter/massacre?

ooc: I'd prefer if we just nuked him to the point where the only thing living were giant mutated marine iguanas that breath radioactive fire..and then those can terrorize the region thats foolish enough to support him...but I suppose we can do that after hordes on international soldiers come through and burn every settlement to the ground..with the inhabitants locked inside of course...:cool:

Cheers to massive genocide!

BL and Kampfers, check yer TGs

ooc: Well BL I've already stated oocily that my government now advocates genocidal acts against Hataria...as well as terrorist activities..etc etc..so if any terror cells need some funds for an attack..on Hat the Imperial government will gladly oblige..or if they need weapons grade plutonium..or Bio/chem agents...just give me a TG.....plus that way ICily I can keep myself "clean" from any wrongdoing :cool:

OOC: So, who would support me declaring war on Hataria to commit said extermination/genocide/slaughter/massacre?

call the thread "Extermination of a Nation"

catchy, eh?

OOC: So, who would support me declaring war on Hataria to commit said extermination/genocide/slaughter/massacre?

OOC: aren't you in haveing Trouble in your own Nation.

and The Rest of You STOP SPAMMING UP MY THREAD!

OOC: So, who would support me declaring war on Hataria to commit said extermination/genocide/slaughter/massacre?

OOC: It's been done in the past. He's still here! What does that tell ya?

BL and Kampfers, check yer TGs

OOC: replied.

OOC: It's useless to attack him, he's going to claim "We've returned, and we've got 3,000 battleships" etc.. etc.., everytime you fight him, however if you just ignore his attack's, and don't recognize his country's attack's, all will be fine...

ooc: Well BL I've already stated oocily that my government now advocates genocidal acts against Hataria...as well as terrorist activities..etc etc..so if any terror cells need some funds for an attack..on Hat the Imperial government will gladly oblige..or if they need weapons grade plutonium..or Bio/chem agents...just give me a TG.....plus that way ICily I can keep myself "clean" from any wrongdoing :cool:

Check your TGs Gataway... you have a terror cell at your service.

I don't think its prudent to get involved in this anymore anyways, so I suggest you guys just drop it since it'll only escalate like before.

On another note, Hataria, I find it difficult to believe that you are capable of manufacturing, let alone creating something of that caliber. In fact, I doubt even Sarzonia or Questers maintains a navy of that size (though, I could be wrong, but doubt it). If that is your navy, what about your army? Your airforce? Your superweapons? Your police force and counter-terrorism and military and propaganda forces? What about all the supply forces required to maintain them?

Fuel tankers and Hospital ships won't be enough.

I have decided that I am staying neutral, for both side's are at equal fault in this conflict. I will wash my hand's clean of this affair, and Hataria, those F-9F's of your's should be returned to me, they're still Calizorinstanian Government property.

OOC: I suggest a less direct approach, I still want to hit the Emperorn and possibly his top advisers. I can do the killing part myself but I'll need help getting into Hataria.

OOC: I did help rebuild Hataria's industry and infrastructure, but not on the scale they have used to expand their military to such gargantuan levels. Maybe 1,500 ships, but not 15,000 in such a short time.

OOC: Hataria, I don't intend this as spam and I don't intend to get ICly involved unless dragged in. But, I think the only way you're going to get them to stop spamming your threads is to cut your numbers back to something more realistic. You could have what you posted, which is very large compared to any real NS naval power anyway, and call them goals. Not what you already have, but goals for the next say two to three decades of buildup. But as long as you claim to have built them now, so quickly, you probably won't be able to avoid people ruining your topics like this.

OOC: I suggest a less direct approach, I still want to hit the Emperorn and possibly his top advisers. I can do the killing part myself but I'll need help getting into Hataria.

Don't worry - he shouldn't be more than a giant smoking crater right now.

OOC: While I would normally not support genocide of any sort, I wanna see him do some massive god moding again and rebuild a massive navy/military all over again.

I honestly can't tell whether this is some huge joke thread aimed at enraging everybody here, or whether Hataria is being serious or not.

Either way, the outcome is the same: ignored.

It's possibly a serious one, but I don't think that ignored was necessary. Instead of stamping it out there, you could simply ignore him. Otherwise, if you're going to post, at least help him get better.

I honestly can't tell whether this is some huge joke thread aimed at enraging everybody here, or whether Hataria is being serious or not.

Either way, the outcome is the same: ignored.

It's possibly a serious one, but I don't think that ignored was necessary. Instead of stamping it out there, you could simply ignore him. Otherwise, if you're going to post, at least help him get better.

You don't think the ignored was necessary, but you think I should ignore him? Am I missing something here? If I'm going to post, I'm going to post my opinions, like every other poster in this thread.

Hataria has been around for quite a while. I fail to see what could be done to help him get better.

I honestly can't tell whether this is some huge joke thread aimed at enraging everybody here, or whether Hataria is being serious or not.

Either way, the outcome is the same: ignored.



You don't think the ignored was necessary, but you think I should ignore him? Am I missing something here? If I'm going to post, I'm going to post my opinions, like every other poster in this thread.

Hataria has been around for quite a while. I fail to see what could be done to help him get better.

I'm talking about the big, bold 'ignored' you stamped here. At least have courtesy for someone else, no matter who it may be.

Why the hell is this thread even coming back up ?..Hat has been deleted... although he has returned...and I know his new nation..I am not going to reveal it..