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Are there any (other) nations out there with no armed forces? If your defence expenditure is 0% (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/nationdata.cgi/nation=yournationhere), that might be a sign. Feel free to write about how your nation is defended, whether it ever had an army and what happened to it, etc.

For real life examples, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_without_armed_forces: if this list is substantial enough, we could start an NSWiki list.

As far as Zwangzug goes, "symbolic negotiations" and random citizens rummaging through their kitchen for knives have taken care of whatever incidents have occurred.

Having no standing army does not mean a nation is undefended. It means there is no army. There is probably an extremely overfunded "police" force then to maintain a high level of law and order in most cases. Look at your "law enforcement" budget.

There are also gangs, criminal elements, warlords, and mercenary companies. It would be possible to have a country that has no official army, but instead their major source of commerce is armed mercenaries, pirates, and privateers, leaving nearly every citizen armed.

A pirate nation whose major source of commerce is raiding other nations by definition would not have an army, but would probably be better armed than most small nations. I doubt that the Vikings had anything resembling an army.

There are also nations that exist in other dimensions. So there :headbang:

Are there any (other) nations out there with no armed forces? If your defence expenditure is 0% (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/nationdata.cgi/nation=yournationhere), that might be a sign. Feel free to write about how your nation is defended, whether it ever had an army and what happened to it, etc.

For real life examples, see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_without_armed_forces: if this list is substantial enough, we could start an NSWiki list.

As far as Zwangzug goes, "symbolic negotiations" and random citizens rummaging through their kitchen for knives have taken care of whatever incidents have occurred.

I Think Nations with out Armed Forces are crazy. Police Forces and civilians with just knives are not strong against Tanks and Planes of more preadtory Nations and Terror Groups that would see such a Nation as a Good Target.

Your Nation is like a large sign that says "INVADE ME!" and Civilians Armed with just Knives would not stand up against a Well Trained and well Armed Army with Tanks, Machine Guns, Jet Fighters and nuclear weapons.

a Nation like that will only get Blasted.

Exceptional defense forces, such as those Commonalitarianism mentioned, can certainly be described here as well. I'm curious to learn about other nations' quirky setups.

As far as Hataria's post, the concept isn't as unrealistic as you seem to have described it: Liechtenstein is a good real world example of a functional country without a military. Costa Rica has constitutionally abolished its.

(For the record, my law and order spending is also 0%...and crime is "totally unknown".)

(For the record, my law and order spending is also 0%...and crime is "totally unknown".)

that's a load of bullshit too

OOC: As opposed to the hundred percent tax rate without any welfare?

OOC: As opposed to the hundred percent tax rate without any welfare?

what would you know thats is class under as Government Waste

Exceptional defense forces, such as those Commonalitarianism mentioned, can certainly be described here as well. I'm curious to learn about other nations' quirky setups.

As far as Hataria's post, the concept isn't as unrealistic as you seem to have described it: Liechtenstein is a good real world example of a functional country without a military. Costa Rica has constitutionally abolished its.

(For the record, my law and order spending is also 0%...and crime is "totally unknown".)

This isn't the real world. Here you have nations like myself that spend 38% of its budget on the military and 36% on Law and Order...

Nations with no military are begging to be attacked... But then again you have the do-gooders who will always step in.

what would you know thats is class under as Government Waste

OOC: Gasp! Someone not playing exactly as their stats state? How could this be? In any case, I won't hijack this thread any further. My apologies Zwangzug.

OOC: Gasp! Someone not playing exactly as their stats state? How could this be? In any case, I won't hijack this thread any further. My apologies Zwangzug.

you don't work ,we ship you back where you came from

Now thats just racist. Not cool man. And to make it so that there is actually a point to post in this thread, my country is one of those ones that have alot of pirates and mercs, but not much of a standing army.

Now thats just racist. Not cool man. And to make it so that there is actually a point to post in this thread, my country is one of those ones that have alot of pirates and mercs, but not much of a standing army.

and you still have law and order right

Yes, because most of my funding goes into the police budget.

My country maintains a 3,000,000-strong army, and that's just the army, not the navy, marine corps and so on.

Not only that, but the army is soon to be at least quintupled in overall size.

Not having an army on NS is just not smart. It means you must rely on modern-day yeoman, pirates, mercenaries, national police and foreign nations to defend you in conflict. Not smart.

I don't think the reasoning behind this thread is to debate wether the lack of a formalised government funded military is "smart" or not but to see if any exist.

Not all antions actually need a military they can have other means to defend themsleves, be it the pirhana principle (i.e. if anyone in a postion to attack me does so he will simply make himself a target for others), a lack of anything useful or worth invading for (although that has never stopped any NS invasions), beign more vaulable to every one by when independent or the simple fact of a very secure location (i.e. a land locked antion surrounded by a ring of very big and very mean nations who happen to be good freinds).

As for zero law and order spending and zero crime rate it makes perfect sense: if you have no laws, you can't have anyoen to enforce them and nobody can ever break a law to become a criminal. Alternatively justice could be devolved directly to small local groupings who enforce community justice.

I don't think the reasoning behind this thread is to debate wether the lack of a formalised government funded military is "smart" or not but to see if any exist.Yes: thank you for your clarity.

On the other side of the extreme Most nations dont include the Nightmare of logistics in overseas conflicts with huge forces.

Moving supplies and financing logistics is more cost than arming at the start.
Troop pay, food ,fuel, hospitalization, V.A. benefits, toilet paper... it all costs.
(OOC: thats why in the real world the west depends on US for Strategic defense and use there own for local trouble.)

I don't know, nations with no armed forces or police are a lot more plausible than nations with a 100% tax rate and Frightening economies. It's impossible for any nation to spend 20-30% of its GDP on the military and still manage to have any kind of decent living standard or economic growth. That's just ridiculous, regardless of tech level (except maybe FT, where you can do pretty much whatever and get away with it as long as it's not a blatant godmode).

Are there any (other) nations out there with no armed forces? If your defence expenditure is 0% (http://www.nationstates.net/cgi-bin/nationdata.cgi/nation=yournationhere)...

Try clicking that link... :D

Sorry for being seriously off topic but I feel like being silly.

The hell?

Try clicking that link... :D

Sorry for being seriously off topic but I feel like being silly.Heh, no problem.:D I checked before I posted the thread to see if anyone had taken it already...

he made the country...

and countries that have no defense present an ideal that I don't think that I could sustain - I like self-sustenance ^^

but I'd gladly help any country that has been violently maligned by aggressors, army or no army.