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Well, I've finally decided to swallow my pride and look reality square in its evil, vicious, ugly green eyes. I have a horrendous lack of tactical aptitude, and I hope to remedy that. I've lost every war I've been in, with the exception of interventions in tiny n00b nations that make the mistake of exterminating groups X, Y, and Z while I'm online.

So, I'm throwing out the idea of a wargame. Any nation who isn't openly hostile to me, has a better grasp of military tactics than I do, and has some time over the next few days or weeks to devote to wargaming, can express interest here.

While the purpose of this thread is to help me develop tactical skills, I'll allow newbies in the thread provided they don't spam or openly godmode. They can develop their tactical skills too.

I intend to wargame in several different scenarios to improve tactical skills across the board, so that the next time some tin-pot dictatorship decides to take me over, I'll a) know when they're trying to bullshit me into taking ludicrous losses, b) know how to counter most attacks reasonably well, and c) actually HAVE a nation left after a war.

Scenario 1: Bluewater Fleet Engagement
Scenario 2: Blockade Running
Scenario 3: Brownwater Battle
Scenario 4: Aerial Invasion
Scenario 5: Aerial Defense
Scenario 6: Ground Field Battle
Scenario 7: Ground Urban Battle
Scenario 8: Precision Bombing
Scenario 9: Special Forces
Scenario 10: Undercover Missions

Rules:

Try to keep military forces under 500,000 troops total. This includes pilots, naval crews, tank crews, special forces, et cetera.

A good rule of thumb is most tanks require three or four crew members, if you have some wanked-out ubertech tank, you might be using 8-10 crew per tank. Of course, that means you can't have as many wank-tanks as someone else may have normal tanks.

This is MT, so try to keep your tech at 2015 at the latest. ETC is allowed, we have that already on prototypes. No crazy things like flying battleships or mobile suits or submersible superdreadnaughts. And for God's sake, no nukes. Chemical is OK, but remember, this is a wargame. The aim is to develop tactics, not kill the world.

I'll be willing to post in several scenarios at the same time, although each will run slower. Right now I'm gauging interest for a wargaming thread aimed at developing tactical skills.

I might be interested in Scenarios 1 & 3. I've recently revamped my navy and I want to try them out.

I would be interested in helping with scenarios 1, 2, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, and 9. I have very little roleplay experience on NS, but I am decent with tactics and would like to work on my skills. If you are interested, just let me know.

Sure. I'll wait for a few more people to post, then I might have an IC wargaming thread up as early as 12-24 hours from now. My contact info's in my Jolt profile, MSN's probably the easiest way to contact me. I rarely check TG's because I rarely get TG's.

AD, you seem to have the opposite problem from me. I have a fair amount of RP experience, but little in the way of tactical skills.

I am interested in scenarios 2,4,5,8,9,10, I have very little roleplaying experience since I joined 2 months ago.

AD, you seem to have the opposite problem from me. I have a fair amount of RP experience, but little in the way of tactical skills.

Well, then I'm sure we could help each other out in those areas.:)

EDIT: Added you on AIM

Cool. What kinds of ships do you have?

I'm interested in each scenario, especially 2 and 10 since I need to bulk up my own skills there badly; so far my allies have done them both for me each time they've come up. I'm reasonably experienced in all the others aside, except perhaps 5 and 9; and would try to keep forces relatively low (still figuring out some minor ORBAT changes @ present...:headbang:). How canon would this be in terms of possible IC scenarios, such as me having to worry about the Haven Defense Initiative overreacting again or (alternately) to pull out should a needful war come up?

Well, the wargames can take place outside Haven if you're worried about the rest of the Havenic forces coming after you.

I have great gurilla tactics, so i will take you half urban and half field.

Well, the wargames can take place outside Haven if you're worried about the rest of the Havenic forces coming after you.
Whew!:D Yeah, I think we remember what happened when I tried to get some spec ops training for my marines and rangers in Old Vetaka. Anyway, I'm still working on what I can send, but it should be substantial without breaking the requested ceiling. Like many I've got a fair amount that I want to test anyway, so I'm game.

OCC:WHATS up Wagdog? TG you

Cool. What kinds of ships do you have?

Most of my ships are based on upgraded RL designs, but I'm in the process of trying to acquire some more powerful ones.

OCC:WHATS up Wagdog? TG you
Just getting some much-needed non-lethal (I hope ICly...) training before anything huge starts on my end. TG back.:p And will be off, but my ORBAT is coming along and should be done soon...

Most of my ships are based on upgraded RL designs, but I'm in the process of trying to acquire some more powerful ones.
99% of my fleet comes from the Royal Shipyards of Isselmere-Nieland (http://www.forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=484448), though I have a heavy battleship of my own at about 800 KT and some leftover Praetonian superdreadnaughts.

Cool. What kinds of ships do you have?

My entire navy comes from Hybalt Defense Industries. You can find all of the designs there.

I would be willing to participate in Scenario's 2,3, and 7.

All right, I've filled several of the scenarios. Feel free to start the threads, or ask me to.

If you're willing to do more than one scenario with me, I'll be able to fill them all.

Scenario 1: Bluewater Fleet Engagement - Ambrose-Douglas
Scenario 2: Blockade Running
Scenario 3: Brownwater Battle - Tolvan
Scenario 4: Aerial Invasion
Scenario 5: Aerial Defense
Scenario 6: Ground Field Battle - North Calaveras
Scenario 7: Ground Urban Battle - Blackhelm Confederacy
Scenario 8: Precision Bombing
Scenario 9: Special Forces - Greal
Scenario 10: Undercover Missions - Wagdog

Can I sign up for this?

Also, NATO forces used nukes (simulated nukes, mind, not real nuclear weapons) in their wargames in the 1970's.

Sure, you can join, we've still got several slots open.

Aerial Invasion and Precision Bombing sound good.

Aerial combat is one of the few areas that I have reasonably adequate knowledge of, but I sorely need to develop some tactics in both offense and defense. I'd love to participate in either or both of aerial invasion and aerial defense.

OK.

Scenario 1: Bluewater Fleet Engagement - Ambrose-Douglas
Scenario 2: Blockade Running
Scenario 3: Brownwater Battle - Tolvan
Scenario 4: Aerial Invasion - Allanea
Scenario 5: Aerial Defense - Naasha
Scenario 6: Ground Field Battle - North Calaveras
Scenario 7: Ground Urban Battle - Blackhelm Confederacy
Scenario 8: Precision Bombing
Scenario 9: Special Forces - Greal
Scenario 10: Undercover Missions - Wagdog

[OOC: Just for the record, Blackhelm is on the other side of SWOCA and on Groznyj's door...not trying to make you change your mind, but just a heads up.]

[OOC: I was under the impression that Griffencrest Corporation was separate from the Confederacy and that Blackhelm had no government to speak of.]

Well, I have been involved in a few short Spec Ops combat scenarios but nothing else. I'd be interested in some of these war game scenarios.

Blockade Running
Blue and Brownwater naval combat
Arial Defense and Invasion

It seems to me for the record, that some people here use nukes for the solution to all combat rpoblems...

[OOC: I was under the impression that Griffencrest Corporation was separate from the Confederacy and that Blackhelm had no government to speak of.]
[OOC: It was, up to one point IIRC, when the government was taken over...but I forget specifically, though, you should take into account Griffencrest is on the side of the Corporatists...]

[BUMP, so those who posted interest can start their threads. (I hate starting a thread and having it sink to the bottom of the forums.)]

Hang on, so for my aerial defense scenario does that mean you are the defender and I am launching an aerial invasion?

I would be interested in precision bombing. But is it me bombing you or you bombing me?

Well, I'm more interested in becoming a defensive powerhouse than a threat to life on earth, so I'll likely be the defender.

Bingo, who gets to host these wargames then? I have some lovely desert air you can defend if you like.

Similarly, since I'm only listed for the undercover warfare bit should I just send units for that? I have a larger OOB that I'm trying to simplify and should have by tonight, but nonetheless if I'm only in one specialized scenario there's obviously no sense in committing too much at once.

Personally I think I'd be a better wargame partner then Ambrose-Douglas for scenario 1 [no offense], and I've kinda been missing naval battles, either the enemy cops out or someone else get's them.

If not I guess I could do precision bombing.

Naasha: I could occupy and defend some island off your coast, if you have an air base and a naval base there.

TSS: I'd be glad to do some kind of wargaming, but IC I don't see relations between our states being that good, what with the whole Hataria mess.

Naasha: I could occupy and defend some island off your coast, if you have an air base and a naval base there.

TSS: I'd be glad to do some kind of wargaming, but IC I don't see relations between our states being that good, what with the whole Hataria mess.

We never came to blows with you or anything, not even with Hataria, and Hataria's been deated so...

OK... there are a couple of open slots, blockade running and precision bombing.

OK... there are a couple of open slots, blockade running and precision bombing.
Count me in for blockade running. I'll let bombing go unless nobody else wants more seasoning there, since I've done OK in that in my wars (at least, standoff precision bombing anyway...).

Count me in for blockade running. I'll let bombing go unless nobody else wants more seasoning there, since I've done OK in that in my wars (at least, standoff precision bombing anyway...).

That was EXACTLY what I wanted practice defending against.

I've taken the liberty of creating a small island for our exercises, I'll post the map and an IC thread shortly.

That was EXACTLY what I wanted practice defending against.
Running, bombing, or both? I'll gladly be the attacker :p, but I need to know what's needed of me first. All of them mesh with the undercover warfare bit in their own ways, so it's no problem for me whatever's decided.

Well, I have been involved in a few short Spec Ops combat scenarios but nothing else. I'd be interested in some of these war game scenarios.

Blockade Running
Blue and Brownwater naval combat
Arial Defense and Invasion



Was any of mine accepted??

I will take whatever.

I agree with TSS that he would be better at bluewater naval battles then I would... I'll gladly take Blockade Running in it's place, however.

[OOC: Are you looking for one nation to RP with in each of your scenarios? If that's the case, I would argue that in NS warfare, you rarely see 2 nations going at each other with no outside interference. Most likely, you'd see at least a few allies of the main participants sending in armed forces, resulting in dynamic changes that affect both defensive and offensive strategy. I would suggest setting up more specific scenarios that involve 3 or 4 nations each, enough so that it mimics warfare effectively, while still keeping the numbers under control.

That, and I want in on some of the filled spots. =P ]

Edit: I'm interested in participating in scenarios 1, 2, and 3. If you want, I can write up a more detailed description of these scenarios before the actual wargames begin.

I agree with Granzi, he can partner with me >.>

Also, perhaps you could do a scenario for a sea-based invasion.

I'd be interested in every ground and sea excercise.

I'm no newbie (Oh, hell, no), but I do need more experience

I'm interested in everything but the last two scenarios (although, truth be told, I probably should get more training in playing them out sooner or later).

Hey, IC thread for my scenario is up and here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12774761#post12774761).

We don't do many wars, so we need the practice.

Looks like you're doing scenario's 4 or 5 now, so we'll be happy to do all but what's currently being done.

Well, the wargames can take place outside Haven if you're worried about the rest of the Havenic forces coming after you.

Or you could do it in simulation.

As oyu know today, command staff rarely train by hauling entire divisions into the field and having them dance about - such large-scale exercises are REALLY expensive and could trigger an international crisis, ergo they are done rarely and only after warnin hte neighbors.

A lot and I mean a lot of large-scale military training occurs in front of computer screens where division commanders, Colonels and generals learn to command said divisions. Perhaps your army could do that, too?

I could, but I need to learn tactics. I've had at least three people on NS criticize my tactical ability that I can name off the top of my head, and yes, I've read the sticky about how to lose. It does get tiring after a while, though.

Or you could do it in simulation.

As oyu know today, command staff rarely train by hauling entire divisions into the field and having them dance about - such large-scale exercises are REALLY expensive and could trigger an international crisis, ergo they are done rarely and only after warnin hte neighbors.

A lot and I mean a lot of large-scale military training occurs in front of computer screens where division commanders, Colonels and generals learn to command said divisions. Perhaps your army could do that, too?
Great point; yeah we're capable of Tacitcal Exercises Without Troops and Command Post Exercises, since most/all of what's required is opentech and it's one way for me to run the scenario(s) I was thinking of with Kahanistan anyway. However, although that might work for precision bombing and the other bits I was interested in, IDK how easily undercover warfare would fit into a simulator; will need to brainstorm a bit more and see what I can come up with before I post that thread...

Still, yeah I'll definitely do TEWTs more since as-is one of my other wargames threads just got overtaken by events when Vetaka got attacked (the city to be used was the one that got nuked...:eek::headbang:). This suggestion should keep such problems and worse rarer at least, one would hope...