NationStates Jolt Archive

As of now, Skgorria is an isolationist state. All relations with other states have been cut off and all troops are being recalled from foreign stations.

Thankyou

OOC: Essentially I'm taking a break from RPing as my mate Atopiana is dust, and it's no fun to play alone. :(

The same goes for all other Pact of Iron nations.

OOC: Aw.:(

OOC: One problem for you Skiggoria, your troop's are currently attacking a Baa'thist stronghold in Calizorinstan, and we might be under attack, how will you pull out?

OOC@ BL: Don't worry, we'll be back ;)

OOC: One problem for you Skiggoria, your troop's are currently attacking a Baa'thist stronghold in Calizorinstan, and we might be under attack, how will you pull out?

OOC: I head to an airport and go away :P

OOC: Luckily I have the Royal Guard's to help, so Skiggoria, was it my fault you went into isolation?

OOC: Luckily I have the Royal Guard's to help, so Skiggoria, was it my fault you went into isolation?

No, it was the One-Day War between Atopiana on one side and Hataria, and Axis Nova on the other that did it.

OOC; can if have Pact of Iron china?

OOC: What about Airbase One in the former Die Boerstaat? Should I take over custody and mothball the place until you return?

OOC; can if have Pact of Iron china?

OOC: No, we're doing what Trans did and doing a mass IGNORE for a while. Maybe RPing with a couple of close allies. Can't blame you for trying though ;)

OOC: What about Airbase One in the former Die Boerstaat? Should I take over custody and mothball the place until you return?

OOC: Yeah go for it, you're cool :)

Colombia

Barely had General Ozcollo's forces handed-over hand-woven flags and other diplomatic gifts to the Fascists when they began to withdraw from Tahuantinsuyu's shores.

Atopianans remaining in their Colombian bases must face an interesting choice: go with the Skgorrians, join the Inka Empire as part of the warrior class, or stand against a likely opportunist onslaught by their would-be friends, now full of confidence as the Atopianans on the ground evidently have no more back-up in the form of nuclear and foreign forces.

Ozcollo orders multiple divisions to surround the coastal outposts, as yet making no further move to attack.


*This was all most unexpected, I must say! Essentially I'm just wondering whether Tahuantinsuyu should over-run the bases now that the Skgorrians have gone and the Atopianans have no back-up, or whether there's something that would stop us. There's not much ill will on a diplomatic level, it's just too good an opportunity to pass-up! A couple of days ago we'd lost our only foot-hold in Colombia... now it looks as if we're to be almost uncontested masters of the country! Anyway, nukes aside, I hope you guys come back before too long.*

The Atopians - all of them - go with the Skgorrians.

In numerous places, the Atopian Government (such as it is) has made clear the creation of the Skgorrian Waffen-SS Freiwilligen Kampfgruppe 'Atopiana'. Every single last Atopian is now a Skgorrian citizen. We are flying Skgorrian flags above our vehicles and have crudely mass-produced ATOPIANA cuff titles sewn onto jackets or painted onto armour suits.

However, it should be noted that we - that is both the Atopians and the Skgorrians - are maintaining our presence in our territories.

And that includes Pact of Iron Colombia. Sorry, Inca, my old chum, but no dice. Leafanistan is caretaker of Airstrip One, but Colombia is a vital foothold in the Americas for the Pact; we may be withdrawing from interaction but that land is our land.

As for your embassies in my nation?

OOC: No, we're doing what Trans did and doing a mass IGNORE for a while. Maybe RPing with a couple of close allies. Can't blame you for trying though ;)

OOC: And the irony of it all, this is because of things happening to one person. My reasons are a little different, but it does go around Hat. Anyways, have a nice break.

OOC: Hataria is also going into Isolation for a while

However, it should be noted that we - that is both the Atopians and the Skgorrians - are maintaining our presence in our territories.

And that includes Pact of Iron Colombia. Sorry, Inca, my old chum, but no dice. Leafanistan is caretaker of Airstrip One, but Colombia is a vital foothold in the Americas for the Pact; we may be withdrawing from interaction but that land is our land.

..all troops are being recalled from foreign stations.

*Oh, uhm, now I'm confused!*

Pachacutec Inka was, until just days ago, considering the pursuit of alliance with the Pact of Iron, thinking that Tahuantinsuyu may as well make the best of what had been a bad situation.

The de facto Pact tax on part of Colombia's output, of course, now makes it worth the Sapa Inka's while to consider breaking his agreement with the Fascists.

Army Commander General Ozcollo judges that the full weight of the Imperial Army could over-run the bases on Colombia's coast, especially if a strike is made while the bases are still under construction: Skgorria would stand alone and Cusco could well gamble that the Skgorrians would be hesitant to deploy weapons of mass destruction in light of their allies' fate.

These things being in mind, Cusco is not shy in suggesting a further renegotiation of the Colombian settlement... one tipped far more heavily in Tahuantinsuyu's favour.

The Empire meanwhile considers contacting the Pacts many enemies for aid in building forces capable of making victory certain and thus offering further encouragement for the Pact to bend in Inti's solar wind.

Before long Cusco goes so far as to suggest that South American islands belonging to nations that the Inka has felled or plans to fell might serve as a new homeland from which to rebuild the much reduced Atopianan state: the Quechua have no interest in seafaring, so the Galapagos remain essentially independent at this time, and unprotected.

*I hope you don't think that I'm being a d*ck! It just seems that we're being showered with opportunities of late!*

Haha! Look, it's like this (OOC):

We are recalling troops from deployments in foreign nations which are not part of the Pact of Iron.

Colombia is not one of these. Colombia is part of the Pact (see accompanying map)

Thus, the forces still in Colombia - a substantial amount of the Atopian Military before the One Day War and a large section of the Skgorrian military as well - are still there. Bases building or built, patrols being carried out, the works. Our alliance agreement still stands - it's just we're not going to RP any trading or wars or anything like that for a while.

And believe you me, if you thought that the Atopian Strategic Rocket Forces (bless 'em) were bad, you've not seen the hideous atrocities that the Skgorrian Strategic Rocket Forces are capable of (and given we'd essentially be nuking our own territory I suspect that no-one would give a shit). Then, of course, there's the fact that there's now a unified command structure rather than two working in concert... if I were you I really wouldn't try anything silly. Your modernised forces may now have rifles rather than spears, but you'll still lose a war even if we aren't RPing it. ;)

Is that clearer? :)

Map of Pact of Iron territory:

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c51/GenSteiner/nationstatespoliticalmahi6.png

*Wellllll... Colombia isn't reaaaally Pact territory anymore, given that it is almost totally occupied by Inkan forces and you guys have a few bases on the coast... if it actually came to war, we'd over-run the bases in the first few minutes of combat and you'd... well, you'd have to call in external forces, which you can't do anymore, and only Skgorria can... where upon it would be conventional forces attacking conventional, and we'd have an advantage as defenders and otherwise be equal (plus our soldiers are clearly superior as your guys are mass-conscript grunts), and we'd kick up a fuss to the guys who just nuked you about how your alliance is still causing trouble. In fact it still seems likely that the war would end after a few hours of us dismembering Pact troops, as Skgorria is forced to admit that it can't do sh*t about it without going the same way you did.

That's why I brought this up. The Inka isn't stupid just because he's slightly inbred, you know ;) *

You can think that if you like.

Colombia is ours. We are merely allowing you to, essentially, rent it. After all, our bases are easily defensible, and our volunteer soldiers are highly motivated as well as dug in. ;)

*But, you have huge armies that must be predominantly conscript, or they simply wouldn't exist, so everyone's just going to assume that they are when RPing against them, otherwise it'd just be a godmod. Of course you may have volunteer elements, but I don't know where they'd be deployed or whether they survived the war, so I suppose I can't comment further on that. Still, now Skgorria's not only straining to support its own giant legions, but also presumably what survives of yours, and the bases.

We could argue over whether the easy obliteration of their supposedly iron homeland and crushing military defeat would have a negative impact on the moral of your troops, but that'd probably get us nowhere since it's hard to find a parallel in reality even a fraction as severe as what's happened to your guys.

Did you have many forces in non-Pact nations? Just curious as to what actually withdrew.

Colombia, as to who owns it, well, neither of us have a superior claim de jure, so he who runs it owns it de facto. At the moment, the Sapa Inka's forces dominate the vast majority of the nation, and the people of Colombia are being indoctrinated into the Inka code, not Fascist law.

Well, taking this information for what it is, I suppose Pachacutec will just have to continue his scheming.*

you will be missed skgorria... always nice to keep a few nazi nations around.



come back soon.

*But, you have huge armies that must be predominantly conscript, or they simply wouldn't exist

You clearly do not understand the Fascist and Nazi mentality. Conscript armies are all very well, but what is better is a highly motivated core of volunteers who have, in common with all children, been brought up through school and youth organisations in a militaristic society.

If, for example, the 1,000 Year Reich had lasted, you would get kids going to the Deutsches Jungvolk while at primary school, then the Hitlerjugend at secondary school; then from the HJ to a Junkerschule (for officers) or a military unit as a natural progression. They would volunteer because to do otherwise would be unthinkable.

It is, in other words, an army of volunteers who have from birth been brought up with rhymes such as this;

What puffs and patters?
What clicks and clatters?
I know! O what fun!
It's a lovely gatling gun!

In addition, there are the tales of martial heroism, the culture of strength of will, of blood and honour, of death and glory in the name of Party and Nation. Conscription doesn't exist because it doesn't need to.

...now Skgorria's not only straining to support its own giant legions, but also presumably what survives of yours, and the bases.

You forget our overseas possessions. Have you seen that map? The Pact's three member nations cover the Balkans, and own Eurasia, half of China; South Africa, has naval bases on islands; and is of course in Colombia (albeit disputed).

Given that each and every deployment of Atopian forces included an integral logistical deployment of three times the number of combat troops, support is not an issue. Most of the survivors of the One Day War are in the vast plains of Central Asia and China. The fleets of the Atopian (now Skgorrian) navy are berthed where they have always been - Stakhanograd, China, and Airstrip one (South Africa) - and using the supply from those bases. As usual.

We could argue over whether the easy obliteration of their supposedly iron homeland and crushing military defeat would have a negative impact on the moral of your troops

We could. I suspect in many cases suicide was common. However, rage and a will to power indoctrinated over centuries would, I hope, assure that the vast majority of the survivors be more than keen to regain their position not only on the world stage but within the Pact. Indeed, the first steps have already been made (if you will but check Atopiana's nation states page ;)) - I can confidently state that they have a lot to live for and even more to kill for.

Did you have many forces in non-Pact nations? Just curious as to what actually withdrew.

Off the top of my head:

Calzorinstan had an Expeditionary Force of some 6 million troops from the Land and Air forces plus a Skgorrian element.

I'm not sure about the rest, most of the RPs died ages ago anyway so I suspect that they've been pulled from their limbo. At any rate, I lost about 35 million men and women from Atopian Military Command, plus the entirety of the Grand Line, the Home Guard units, all my paramilitaries, all my internal police, almost all my civilians, most of my Space Force, one fleet from my Navy (the Sixth, with the Primo Frank-class Marinetti leading it), a big chunk of my airbases, all my Strategic Rocket Force units, my government, my air and nuclear defence complex (that took about 200 years to build :p)...

So at the moment what's left is 65 million soldiers of varying arms of service who were overseas at the time; and 55 million civilians. Plus the people on Mars Base Glory, which is also a colony. Not a lot, but hey, we can breed. ;)

Colombia, as to who owns it, well, neither of us have a superior claim de jure, so he who runs it owns it de facto.

You do that. Like I said - it's rented, innit. Like Hong Kong. One day we'll be back, and until then, those military bases had better not get attacked...