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Ok, looks like theres going to be a new war with Hataria. Myself and Atopiania will be leading this conflict.


Threads:

The Rebuilding of the Hatarian Military:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=529122

Hataria ATTACKED!:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=529365


as such, there will be need of an OOC thread, which I have been more than happy to create.

Um. If it all kicks off we'll use this but at the moment:

1) Hataria is a self-declared 'hermit nation' with no military capability;
2) I've called off my military due to 1).

If the Hatarians or their allies have a go, then all gloves are off, but at the moment it appears that the First Strike did what it was supposed to. :)

Um. If it all kicks off we'll use this but at the moment:

1) Hataria is a self-declared 'hermit nation' with no military capability;
2) I've called off my military due to 1).

If the Hatarians or their allies have a go, then all gloves are off, but at the moment it appears that the First Strike did what it was supposed to. :)

Good. I'll favorite this and bump it if we need it again. Well done.

Any time. Overwhelming military force used with the element of surprise is always a good trick. :D

ooc: I hope it stays that way....I'm tired of every week a new attack is either carried out by Hataria or an attack is made on Hataria...its really old and really starting to get a bit annoying...in fact I believe if I see another one I will use nuke/BC weapons on Hataria until nothing exists..and I doubt I would get much international opposition for it..hopefully Atopiana's attack has finally put an end to all the nonsense.

hopefully Atopiana's attack has finally put an end to all the nonsense.

Pssssssh like that'll ever happen :rolleyes:

And you don't need to label it OOC in an OOC thread.

Not overwhelming enough, apparently. I'm tempted to launch on you myself due to the massive hypocrisy displayed by you that shows you to be a much greater threat than Hataria possibly could be.

As far as my nation's concerned your nation is at least for the moment a larger threat than any Gholgoth nation as even they would not just randomly do a first strike out of the blue for no reason.

lol..its become a habit :p..and please dont say things like that...I want the madness to end.

He said hermet nation, never said he was reducing his forces. I believe all he did was close all trade and relations with everyone.

He said hermet nation, never said he was reducing his forces. I believe all he did was close all trade and relations with everyone.

Hey, he'll have to build new shipyards, ports, airfields, power stations, bridges, railway stations... planes, ships, tanks, military bases, etc. The Hatarians have been screwed. In addition, should he reach a point where he poses a threat again, we just hit him again. *shrug* Easy enough.

Axis Nova, I didn't do it 'randomly' or 'out of the blue'. I gave him two in-thread warnings and there was an MSN conversation which concluded with him telling me to 'go fuck a pig' and 'curl up and die'. He rejected all attempts at diplomacy and left me with no choice but to carry out my threat.

You will also note that I stopped as soon as I achieved my objectives. I am hardly a threat to you, who pose no threat to me.

just nuke em again Atop i'll support you lol :p

He has to rebuild all of that anyway for civillian uses. Power, water, transport, industry, if he wants to be a country where the people like to live, he has to rebuild all that, which you would claim as justification of another attack.

He has to rebuild all of that anyway for civillian uses. Power, water, transport, industry, if he wants to be a country where the people like to live, he has to rebuild all that, which you would claim as justification of another attack.

No. I would claim the construction of too many military bases, the construction of multiple super-sized aircraft carriers and battleships, and so on and so forth as justification for pre-emptive defensive action.

I have no problem with Hataria building a peaceful society for his people. I have a problem with him creating a large and aggressive military.

Oh don't get me wrong, I'm bored enough to think a war with Hataria might be interesting. I'm just trying to point out flaws in any potential declarations.

This just became irrelevant in any case as the nation of Atopiana is about to cease to exist except as a terrain feature.

Wow, that's even more over-the-top than his attack and he's a crazy fascist...

I don't like getting involved in a strategic exchange, but if I do, I at least know to finish the job instead of just pissing off the enemy and leaving them intact for possible revenge.

Also, Axis Nova doesn't maintain a stockpile of strategic nuclear weapons, so *shrug*

This just became irrelevant in any case as the nation of Atopiana is about to cease to exist except as a terrain feature.

Or so you thought. ;)

Why doesn't anyone let him declare war first and THEN bomb him back to the stone age? That would be so much simpler!

Why does everyone let Hataria influence International events so much. I'd love to know

Why does everyone let Hataria influence International events so much. I'd love to know

It is unknown to me. He just does. Maybe it's all the threads that get posted, they demand attention.

I think Im going to fire the Ignore cannon at Hataria...may god have mercy on his soul...

I think Im going to fire the Ignore cannon at Hataria...may god have mercy on his soul...

Why? Hataria hasn't done a thing wrong in this whole mess, at least not anything obviously wrong.

Why? Hataria hasn't done a thing wrong in this whole mess, at least not anything obviously wrong.

He began a military build up prior to launching a series of aggressive campaigns designed to reverse past military defeats. This was a threat which had to be dealt with, and I stand by my actions despite their significant consequences.

Oh, by the way, my sub fleet launched 1,000 nuclear missiles at Hataria after they lost contact with the mainland due to the Axis Novan onslaught. So there are 4,000 1MT warheads bearing down on Hataria's cities. :)

He began a military build up prior to launching a series of aggressive campaigns designed to reverse past military defeats. This was a threat which had to be dealt with, and I stand by my actions despite their significant consequences.

Well, technically no aggressive campaigns have been launched yet. Besides, there are enough people surrounding Hataria to obliterate them if they try anything too extreme...

Oh, by the way, my sub fleet launched 1,000 nuclear missiles at Hataria after they lost contact with the mainland due to the Axis Novan onslaught. So there are 4,000 1MT warheads bearing down on Hataria's cities. :)

Well, see, the thing is, I spent $4 trillion rebuilding them after the last war, nearly ended up fighting along with them in the Blubs' campaign, and now they've been glassed yet again (of course, at the expense of your entire country, but you know...)

Atopiana, I just don't think Hataria's going to RP this one...they do ignore these kinds of things quite often.

Hataria has been conventionally bombed, chemically poisoned, kinetically bombarded, infested with biological agents and glassed with nuclear weapons so many times that anything living is probably more or less immune to all of them.

Well that's just dull. I have my entire nation obliterated and he won't even give me the satisfaction of seeing just one lousy warhead hit a kindergarten? :(

Regarding the lack of aggressive campaign - if we'd waited for one, it would've been too late. You'll thank me later, you know. The sacrifice of Atopiana has ensured that Hataria cannot assault anyone for centuries to come!

Well that's just dull. I have my entire nation obliterated and he won't even give me the satisfaction of seeing just one lousy warhead hit a kindergarten? :(

It's Hataria...

Regarding the lack of aggressive campaign - if we'd waited for one, it would've been too late. You'll thank me later, you know. The sacrifice of Atopiana has ensured that Hataria cannot assault anyone for centuries to come!

Yes, but it also deprives us of the pleasure of destroying them again or, unthinkable as it may be, them establishing their nation as a peaceful member of the world community.

the only thing left on Hataria would be giant cockroaches...and possibly giant mutated marine iguanas that breath radioactive fire...giant flying moths...giant ants..and an assortment of other mutated creatures...now to recap..Hataria has been nuked a few thousand times over...Atop has been bombarded by "meteorites" and Axis Nova has been hit with a barrage of space based weapons...NOW do I need to prepare for nuclear winter or is it still all good? lol

Yes, but it also deprives us of the pleasure of destroying them again or, unthinkable as it may be, them establishing their nation as a peaceful member of the world community.

I think, however, you answer your implied question regarding the possibility of a peaceful and non-aggressive Hataria here:

It's Hataria...

:p

Nuclear winter? Yeh, why not, let's get apocalyptic! :D

welp Im glad I moved my citizens underground and under the sea days ago then lol..looks like Gatawans will have to re-populate the planet for all those unfortunate enough to be stuck above ground

I am inviting all parties to a peace conference.

I am inviting all parties to a peace conference.

lol...phew thats funny that you think that would work..thanks for the laugh though...:p

I am inviting all parties to a peace conference.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA *dies laughing*

No, seriously. Thanks, but... not going to work.

Everyone's dead, dying, or trying to rebuild while being nuked. The ones that aren't are about to get nuclear wintered. Peace is kinda off the cards, although you could argue that there's no way anyone's fighting a war after this for some time...

I could, if I were so inclined. Which I am not. =p

I am inviting all parties to a peace conference.
'Peace conference'? What's that? We've heard of two types of diplomacy: 'war conferences' and 'surrender treaties'. You can't war-conference with us, because we're not at war, so we assume that you wish to negotiate a surrender treaty. Excellent, this will spare us the need to conquer you in a particularly bloody and violent fashion later on.....

wait a minute.

'Peace conference'? What's that? We've heard of two types of diplomacy: 'war conferences' and 'surrender treaties'. You can't war-conference with us, because we're not at war, so we assume that you wish to negotiate a surrender treaty. Excellent, this will spare us the need to conquer you in a particularly bloody and violent fashion later on.....

wait a minute.

THAT's the spirit! I like you. :D

that was crazy. the other thread went from one to like 5 pages in about three hours. just pointing that out:p

Eh.

Atopiana.

My defense of Hataria is not a godmod. At long-time NS tradition, one can freely claim he shoots down BMs - and I didn't even claim all of them are down - some surely remain to be killed by Hatarian and AN ABM.

Further, the technique used was never at issue. If anything, the neutron flux alone from the 400 strategic-level nuclear explosions would have wiped them all out.

Then I used my orbital combatants, which can maneover faster and better then the nuclear warheads that, in fact, barely maneover in comparison to the combatants.

Then I tossed 70 tons of marbles at them.

Fujrther, how can the Primo Frank remain afloat after being hit by my entire stockpile of airdropped nukes?

Bloody good fun tho'.

Right, Allanea, I have a bone to pick with you:

My strategic submarine fleet fired its compliment of SSBNs at Hataria because they lost contact (understandably) with the Motherland. The Hatarians were the last known enemy.

Fair enough, you want to shoot some down.

Don't, however, declare LOL I SHOTS THEM DOWNS and then do the same for the Primo Frank. That is godmodding, as you damn well know.

EDIT:

Right, you shot down four warheads and a seabird. Hataria can ignore the rest like he was going to do anyway.

As for the Primo Frank? The First Fleet moved. Thus, your entire stockpile of airdropped nukes missed. Sorry.

Yes, and my space forces would not have seen it moved. The crews of ten shuttles would not see it moved. It's an invisible one-kilometer batteship, I guess.

And frankly, Hataria is going to ignore the nukes. At least this way I have an IC explanation as to why they didn't hit, rather then "they just vanished into thin air when they arrived in Hataria".

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHHA *dies laughing*

No, seriously. Thanks, but... not going to work.

Everyone's dead, dying, or trying to rebuild while being nuked. The ones that aren't are about to get nuclear wintered. Peace is kinda off the cards, although you could argue that there's no way anyone's fighting a war after this for some time...

Yes, we need to have some detente, and why not in a neutral country like New Brittonia

Yes, and my space forces would not have seen it moved. The crews of ten shuttles would not see it moved. It's an invisible one-kilometer batteship, I guess.

They wouldn't, no, because of a liberal application of handwavium, disbelivium, and lolanium. The bloody fleet began to move immediately after your first attack, the space stuff turned up hours later. Super-nuking the sea kills a lot of fish, but not the First Fleet.

Besides, if you really want to obliterate my Superdreadnoughts, you'd have to kill the Marinetti as well... ;)

frankly, Hataria is going to ignore the nukes. At least this way I have an IC explanation as to why they didn't hit, rather then "they just vanished into thin air when they arrived in Hataria".

I'd rather they were all shot down by Hatarian IGNORE-class defences than godmodded out of existence.

There already is detente. Sequence of events is as follows.

Atopiana: :mp5:
Hataria: :mad:
A few other nations: :mad:
A few more nations: :)
Axis Nova: http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c140/berrik/Smileys/emot-whatup.gif
Atopiana: http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c140/berrik/Smileys/emot-pwnonk.gif
Other people: http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c140/berrik/Smileys/emot-frogsiren.gif
Allanea: http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c140/berrik/Smileys/emot-toot.gif
Axis Nova: http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c140/berrik/Smileys/emot-frogc00l.gif

Righty-O, the kerfuffle with Allanea's been sorted out, and I am proud to announce that the 110 million survivors of Atopiana (of whom 65 million are military personnel!) are now seconded to the Skgorrian Armed Forces for the duration of the reconstruction.

The Pact of Iron endures; Party and Nation remain strong.

There already is detente. Sequence of events is as follows.

Atopiana: :mp5:
Hataria: :mad:
A few other nations: :mad:
A few more nations: :)
Axis Nova: http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c140/berrik/Smileys/emot-whatup.gif
Atopiana: http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c140/berrik/Smileys/emot-pwnonk.gif
Other people: http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c140/berrik/Smileys/emot-frogsiren.gif
Allanea: http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c140/berrik/Smileys/emot-toot.gif
Axis Nova: http://i26.photobucket.com/albums/c140/berrik/Smileys/emot-frogc00l.gif

Now *that* is hillarious :D

Axis Nova, are you done punishing the Atopians so we can get on with the inevitable reconstruction RP?

Yep. My massive strike is meant as a lesson in foreign policy to Atopiana and to others in why it's bad to use strat nukes in a first strike, not as a prelude to a genocide attempt. I'm not going to waste resources on hunting down and obliterating every last Atopianaian.

They are unlikely to be a major foreign power again anytime soon, which is what I wanted to accomplish.

Yep. My massive strike is meant as a lesson in foreign policy to Atopiana and to others in why it's bad to use strat nukes in a first strike, not as a prelude to a genocide attempt. I'm not going to waste resources on hunting down and obliterating every last Atopianaian.

They are unlikely to be a major foreign power again anytime soon, which is what I wanted to accomplish.

And I think you have done that. You took out one of my IC enemy that I have clashed with before. Good job!

Oh psh, give me a century or so and I'll be right back up there.

In the meantime, I will stick to Modern Tech and Future Tech threads (set, respectively, before and after the One-Day War) while I rebuild my PMT nation. :D

I have to say this about AN.........he sure picks the funnist Titles.

If I was trying to be funny, I'd have named that thread "Things fall from the sky!" in tribute to an old game I used to play called Visions of Aftermath: The Boomtown. =p

You're actually trying this again?

Hataria is going to be in Hermit Nation mode for a while