NationStates Jolt Archive

Official Declaration from the Atopian Government:

Given the deteriorating diplomatic relationship with Hataria, we are left with no choice but to go to employ the military option. As this message is being read, we are launching a concerted and three-pronged military action against the following targets:

1) All Hatarian shipyards, civilian and military
2) All Hatarian military bases
3) All Hatarian airfields, civilian and military
4) All Hatarian government offices
5) All Hatarian power stations and infrastructure links such as bridges, railways and the like

We are using ICBMs to target the shipyards and military bases. For the targeting of the airfields and power stations, we are using the weapons colloquially known as 'rods from god'. The remaining targets will be hit by round-the-clock pinpoint strategic bombing.

ASRF HQ:

"How many rockets launched?"
"1000 Topol-M22H class, sir. Half with decoys, half with live heads. Totals 3,000 nuclear warheads, each 550KT, targeted on Hataria's shipyards, sir."
"Excellent."

Moonbase VICTORY, ASF HQ:

"Are we go for launch?"
"We are green for go. 1,000 rods away."
"Targets accepted?"
"Targets locked and surely well hit, sir."
"Superb."

Atopian Strategic Command:

"Report."
"All ten Strategic Armadas have launched and are away free sir."
"Total launch?"
"2,896 Tu-160s launched ... ah, 17,376 Raduga Kh-55 cruise missiles sir."
"Fantastic. Inform the Primo at once."


From Emperor Barbarossa II

Today our Nation has been attacked by The evil Nation of Atopiana, who is ruled by a Bunch of Animals that have to kill to live. 12,000,000 have been Murdered by Atopian NUCLEAR weapons and Godrods.

For this Hataria is now at War with Atopiana for it's Attack on Civilians.

Hataria calls on Aid from All nations to rebuild the areas hit by this Murder Attack and calls for all enemies of Atopiana to join in This Holy War against The Monsters.

Signed: Emperor Barbarossa II of Hataria

The Wanderjarian Fleet has nothing to say about the Hatarian response. We will not intervene in your defense any more than we already have, i.e destroying the Atopian first wave. However, from here on out your defense is up to you. However any attacks onto foreign soil will not be allowed. You may defend yourself, but you may not attack the Atopians.



~Emperor Christoph Baker of the New Prussian Empire

And we will repeat the assault until such time as Hataria disbands its military! As soon as Hataria renders itself incapable of military operations, pre-emptive defensive strikes will cease immediately.

Our military analysts are pleased to see, however, that the First Strike has successfully obliterated the Hatarian shipbuilding capacity, the military bases belonging to the Hatarian army, and eradicated Hataria's ability to launch planes. With such a successful neutering of the Hatarian military, many amongst our intelligence forces are questioning the need for a second or third strike.

We will provide the Atopians with pornography once again.

Just coz' they are friggin' cool.

Ministry of State

The government does not believe that Atopiana has any justification striking against Hataria. They have not participated in any aggressive actions since their defeat and their military buildup is entirely justified and acceptable within the confines of international law. Unless your country can produce clear evidence that Hataria is doing something wrong or has attacked your nation, you are guilty of attacking Hataria without provocation.

Unjustified unilateral action is nothing more than military aggression and we will treat it accordingly. If you attack them again, we will get involved. Responsible states negotiate their grievances, not try to resolve them with aggression.

And we will repeat the assault until such time as Hataria disbands its military! As soon as Hataria renders itself incapable of military operations, pre-emptive defensive strikes will cease immediately.

A compromise which the Wanderjarian Government will sign off on, is the creation of a HSDF (Hatarian Self Defense Force). This means a military which is only capable of defending Hatarian national borders, but not capable of launching out of nation military operations, much like that of former Japan. We believe this is a better solution than the potential problems of an uttler defensless Hataria. However, should this power ever be misused, and I assure both parties that the Prussian Kriegsmarine shall remain in Hatarian waters for some time to come, that fleet shall wage a war on Hataria which they shall never forget. And do not think, Hataria, that Wanderjarians are not disinclined to use violence merely because we typically try to do decent things throughout the world.

This is our offer to both parties. What say you?


EDIT: I, Emperor Christoph Baker, shall even draw up a new section of the Hatarian Constitution which concerns military operations should it be felt necessary.

OOC: me wonders if Hataria did not bring this upon himself...

And we will repeat the assault until such time as Hataria disbands its military! As soon as Hataria renders itself incapable of military operations, pre-emptive defensive strikes will cease immediately.

We will Not Bow to Your Evil ways, you have now awaken a Sleeping Giant that will bite back.

and To The Wanderjar people, STAY OUT OF THIS. This is not your fight and your Blockade will not Stop Hataria from takeing Revenge on The Atopians. They have bought what will come to them in them selves.

Official Communique From The Skgorrian Foreign Ministry

The Hatarian menace is at last being checked, for despite their promises to the contrary they are still warlike and preparing for war. The Pact of Iron's strike was done so with the aim of removing a major threat to international peace before it had the chance to blossom into something more deadly.

To those nations considering supporting Hataria we ask you, are you prepared to stand up for a nation whose rampant imperialism has triggered some of the largest and most destructive wars that the world has ever seen?

We demand that Hataria be removed as a threat, one way or another. Skgorria stands firmly by its ally and will support it in any and all ways possible.

We also welcome the Wanderjarian diplomatic proposal and give our full backing to peaceful negotiations.

Statement to Vetalia:

Diplomatic measures were tried. They were rebuffed, with our negotiators being told to "go fuck a pig"* and to "curl up and die."** As a result, the threat posed by a resurgent Hataria was one that could not be ignored. We thus launched our strike in accordance with precedent set by previous foreign government actions.

Statement to Wanderjar:

We accept your proposal, further detailing:

100,000 soldiers
10,000 naval personnel
10,000 air force personnel

An armed police force is also satisfactory. Militias and other paramilitary organisations are not. Hataria can never again be allowed to launch a war of aggression.

Statement to the World Soviet Party:

Thank you. Very much. We. Er. Excuse us...

* - direct quote from MSN conversation regarding this topic
** - as above

A compromise which the Wanderjarian Government will sign off on, is the creation of a HSDF (Hatarian Self Defense Force). This means a military which is only capable of defending Hatarian national borders, but not capable of launching out of nation military operations, much like that of former Japan. We believe this is a better solution than the potential problems of an uttler defensless Hataria. However, should this power ever be misused, and I assure both parties that the Prussian Kriegsmarine shall remain in Hatarian waters for some time to come, that fleet shall wage a war on Hataria which they shall never forget. And do not think, Hataria, that Wanderjarians are not disinclined to use violence merely because we typically try to do decent things throughout the world.

This is our offer to both parties. What say you?


EDIT: I, Emperor Christoph Baker, shall even draw up a new section of the Hatarian Constitution which concerns military operations should it be felt necessary.

No, as we said before, we will not bow to any Forgen power as Hataria is free from your Nation. Atopiana is not going to lissen to reason, they have none, they are Animals that should be wiped out.

and Empeor Baker has NO SAY in Hataria. It is I, Barbarossa who rules Hataria, not Baker.

Commander Cody looked at the report of this new war. it outlined the reactions made by hataira. Cody pickes up the phone and tells his secutary. "tell me if any Hatairan soldiers move away from their shores. and ready the 109th navel" then he hung up and took a nap.

Official Communique From The Skgorrian Foreign Ministry

What we propose is this: a severe limitation on the Hatarian military roughly in line with the Wanderjaran propsal and in return the Pact of Iron will join the Hatarian Confederacy. This will ensure that the Hatarians are defended whilst removing a major worry from the international scene.

Atopiana is not going to lissen to reason, they have none, they are Animals that should be wiped out.

And people question why we felt threatened by a resurgent Hatarian military!

ooc:I can see a preemptive missile strike but nukes?...with that many nukes going off half the world would die as the massive radioactive fall out would spread across the globe..thx for fucking us all over Atopiana...:mad:

*Begins issuing lead plated full body suits to all civilians and has them descend into under sea and underground cities established off the coast to wait out the nuclear winter*

Scandinvan Imperial Response

The nation of Atopiana calls these attacks nesscary for their own defense, while we see it as a crime against humanity killing massive number of civilians with nuclear weapons. As well, any further attack carried out we believe needs to be against military targets only and with the use of regular bombing runs against these military targets so as to take out their fighting ability with the loss of as little civilian life as possible. Yet, to warn if the use of nuclear attacks continues on the nation Hataria the Scandinvan Empire shall break relations with Atopiana and cut off all trade with it as well.

Signed,
Imperial Steward Erida

Scandinvan Imperial Response

The nation of Atopiana calls these attacks nesscary for their own defense, while we see it as a crime against humanity killing massive number of civilians with nuclear weapons. As well, any further attack carried out we believe needs to be against military targets only and with the use of regular bombing runs against these military targets so as to take out their fighting ability with the loss of as little civilian life as possible. Yet, to warn if the use of nuclear attacks continues on the nation Hataria the Scandinvan Empire shall break relations with Atopiana and cut off all trade with it as well.

Signed,
Imperial Steward Erida

Official Response to the Scandinvans:

The civilian fatalities are as nothing compared to those inflicted by Hataria upon other nations in the past. All further assaults will be targeted according to the best availiable intelligence with an emphasis on military-industrial targets. Our Ministry of Trade is unsure about your threat, as we can find no record of any trade with your nation ever.

We will Not Bow to Your Evil ways, you have now awaken a Sleeping Giant that will bite back.

and To The Wanderjar people, STAY OUT OF THIS. This is not your fight and your Blockade will not Stop Hataria from takeing Revenge on The Atopians. They have bought what will come to them in them selves.

OOC: It's not a blockade. We're sitting there to take a stab at you if you step out of line.

ooc:I can see a preemptive missile strike but nukes?...with that many nukes going off half the world would die as the massive radioactive fall out would spread across the globe..thx for fucking us all over Atopiana...:mad:

*Begins issuing lead plated full body suits to all civilians and has them descend into under sea and underground cities established off the coast to wait out the nuclear winter*

OOC: Lulz. There's only n00kular winter if I say there is. :p

OOC: Lulz. There's only n00kular winter if I say there is. :p

ooc:Very well..*Issues lead suits anyways just to be safe...also resorts to using underground farms and water production facilities*

ooc:Very well..*Issues lead suits anyways just to be safe...also resorts to using underground farms and water production facilities*

OOC: We've been doing that for centuries here in Atopiana. :p Get with the times, man!

ooc: I use them for emergencies only..:rolleyes:

[OOC: Yo Atopiana, want some biological weapons?]

Official Statement From TSRT Government
"Although we will remain neutral in this current war, we congratulate Atopiana on carrying out such a well done strike."
End Message

Top Secret Message
From TSRT Government
To Atopiana Government
"Good job on curtailing the Hatarian menace. We suggest the next strike target possible nuclear facilities, so as to prevent a Hatarian counter-strike."
End Message

No, as we said before, we will not bow to any Forgen power as Hataria is free from your Nation. Atopiana is not going to lissen to reason, they have none, they are Animals that should be wiped out.

and Empeor Baker has NO SAY in Hataria. It is I, Barbarossa who rules Hataria, not Baker.

"It appears that the 12 year old Prince is calling for a genocide of an entire people..." Prince Jacob murmured.
"Well did you honestly expect them to change?" Chang Hu, the Prince's First Advisor and the head of the military, asked.
"Well, this can only lead to one thing."
"I'll go alert the press," Hu nodded, smiling.
"I'll tell the Wanderjarians about our decision."

To: Wanderjar
From: Siriusa

As you probably already know, we have a small fleet supplementing yours. However, in light of recent events, we see it fit to bolster our might in that region. As such, we will be possibly doubling or tripling the manpower present.
We also support your actions, but we will not attack the Ezaltians should they declare war on Hataria, we will diplomatically pressure them.

Good luck,
Jacob L. Sirius
Prince of Siriusa


OOC: The rest will come later, including a message to the Atopians and a press release.

The Hatarian Empire is now seeing that The Nations outside The Region of Xanadou are Barbarians. The Blubs have shown us that, The Wanderjarians countinue to show it with their Illegal Blockade and now The Atopians have shown it more.

It is only good that Hataria is now a target for Imperialisic, Barbaric Nations like Atopiana.

and what Hataria does now will be the only thing to save it

Hataria hear by orders all Forgen Nationals OUT of Hataria. all Embassies closed and all Forgen Ships out of Hatarian Waters.

Hataria will only trade with these Nations:

Kurona
Magic Sorcery
Kanami
Aqua Anu
Kahanistan

Hataria is now a Hermit Nation

Signed: Emperor Barbarossa II of Hataria

Official Response to the Scandinvans:

The civilian fatalities are as nothing compared to those inflicted by Hataria upon other nations in the past. All further assaults will be targeted according to the best availiable intelligence with an emphasis on military-industrial targets. Our Ministry of Trade is unsure about your threat, as we can find no record of any trade with your nation ever.Scandinvan Response

So you are using the actions of that nation in the pasty to attempt to justify your own attack. Such actions are truly shameful and dishonorable as by abandoning the very principles by which the original war was fought against Hataria you are now representing what Hataria had embodied in the past and as such we now view this action as the new incarnate of Hataria’s past sins in such a way that your nation’s leaders may well provoke a new war against Hataria with you being the villains in the next war by starting the war with your own crimes.

The Hatarian Empire is now seeing that The Nations outside The Region of Xanadou are Barbarians. The Blubs have shown us that, The Wanderjarians countinue to show it with their Illegal Blockade and now The Atopians have shown it more.

It is only good that Hataria is now a target for Imperialisic, Barbaric Nations like Atopiana.

and what Hataria does now will be the only thing to save it

Hataria hear by orders all Forgen Nationals OUT of Hataria. all Embassies closed and all Forgen Ships out of Hatarian Waters.

Hataria will only trade with these Nations:

Kurona
Magic Sorcery
Kanami
Aqua Anu
Kahanistan

Hataria is now a Hermit Nation

Signed: Emperor Barbarossa II of Hataria

OOC: It is not a blockade. I already made that clear.

OOC2: Technically, I am sitting as close to you as I possibly can without intruding into your waters.

OOC3: I don't see how you can call him imperialistic if he has no reason to make you a colony.

[OOC: Yo Atopiana, want some biological weapons?]

OOC: Sure. We're running a bit low, our stockpiles are passing their use-by dates really. Thanks!

From TSRT Government
To Atopiana Government
"Good job on curtailing the Hatarian menace. We suggest the next strike target possible nuclear facilities, so as to prevent a Hatarian counter-strike."
End Message

SIC:
From: Primo's Office
To: TSRT Gov't

Thank you for your support. It is unlikely that there will be a next strike, but we have taken your advice and Hatarian nuclear installations and facilities are priority targets.

Hataria is now a Hermit Nation

It appears that our military objectives have been met. We will maintain a close watch upon Hataria using our satellite network, but no further military action will be taken at the present time. The Primo has congratulated those who took part in First Strike; presenting many with honours.

...you are using the actions of that nation in the pasty to attempt to justify your own attack. Such actions are truly shameful and dishonorable as by abandoning the very principles by which the original war was fought against Hataria you are now representing what Hataria had embodied in the past and as such we now view this action as the new incarnate of Hataria’s past sins in such a way that your nation’s leaders may well provoke a new war against Hataria with you being the villains in the next war by starting the war with your own crimes.

Diplomatic Response:

This is an erroneous reading of the reality. The resurgent Hatarian military posed a threat - a very significant threat - to the Pact of Iron and other nations; particularly our very own Nation and Party. Our refusal to occupy Hataria gives the lie to your accusation that we are "embodying" Hatarian imperialism. No. Instead, we have successfully curtailed a rampant, expansionist, imperialist nation's military power. This done, we have ended military operations for the present time.

No, as we said before, we will not bow to any Forgen power as Hataria is free from your Nation. Atopiana is not going to lissen to reason, they have none, they are Animals that should be wiped out.

and Empeor Baker has NO SAY in Hataria. It is I, Barbarossa who rules Hataria, not Baker.

Very well then. I suppose that is a breach of the blockade policy. I shall assist Atopiania in destroying your military capability.


To the Atopianian (I apologize for incorrect spelling) Officials, I do hope you accept our sincerest apologies for interfering with your earlier attacks. You may use our fleet for hospitalization of injured troops, refueling for aircraft, or any other reason which you may find need of our facilities.

~Emperor Christoph Baker of the New Prussian Empire

To the Atopianian (I apologize for incorrect spelling) Officials, I do hope you accept our sincerest apologies for interfering with your earlier attacks. You may use our fleet for hospitalization of injured troops, refueling for aircraft, or any other reason which you may find need of our facilities.

~Emperor Christoph Baker of the New Prussian Empire

To: Emperor of the New Prussians
From: Primo of Atopiana

Your apologies are accepted. It was an honest mistake and primarily our fault as we failed to warn the blockading forces' commander; I would ask that any disciplinary proceedings against any of your forces relating to this unfortunate accident are dropped. However, as our current military operations against Hataria are at an end, we have - at this time - no need for the facilities offered by your fleet. We thank you for your generous offer and return the compliments by putting the Third Fleet at your disposal.

OOC: Sure. We're running a bit low, our stockpiles are passing their use-by dates really. Thanks!



SIC:
From: Primo's Office
To: TSRT Gov't

Thank you for your support. It is unlikely that there will be a next strike, but we have taken your advice and Hatarian nuclear installations and facilities are priority targets.



It appears that our military objectives have been met. We will maintain a close watch upon Hataria using our satellite network, but no further military action will be taken at the present time. The Primo has congratulated those who took part in First Strike; presenting many with honours.



Diplomatic Response:

This is an erroneous reading of the reality. The resurgent Hatarian military posed a threat - a very significant threat - to the Pact of Iron and other nations; particularly our very own Nation and Party. Our refusal to occupy Hataria gives the lie to your accusation that we are "embodying" Hatarian imperialism. No. Instead, we have successfully curtailed a rampant, expansionist, imperialist nation's military power. This done, we have ended military operations for the present time.

As an independent socialist nation it is my duty to inform you, the Atopiana nation, that it is never justified to kill civilians unnecessarily. While I can understand that your country felt threatened and you may have been justified in your attack, you could have done so with precision bombing, internal sabotage and strategic assassination. There is no reason that innocent Hatarian civilians had to die in this assault. My country Sauceatia requests that we be allowed to send independent intelligence officers into the country to investigate the living conditions of the remaining civilians. If, Sauceatia finds sufficient evidence of a humanitarian crisis we will be sending non-military, civilian aid of food and medical supplies to the afflicted civilians.

Open Declaration of Intentions

While it once again pains us to even remotely agree with the Pact of Iron, indeed it must be done. A preemtptive strike appears justified, especially in light of Haratian past actions. A severe limiting of their forces seems most fair.
However, we find the blatant disregard for civillian life and liberal use of nuclear weapons to be uncalled for. The Atopian first strike could have been done through more conventional means, and indeed should have been done. We can see no reason to support the Atopian efforts currently because of their history of unrestricted nuclear use against civillians. We will, however, support any more conventional approaches to forcing th Hatarians from their imperialistic ways. If such an act occurs that forces are required in the future, we will be willing to consider it pending a more conventional, and civillian freindly, approach.

We would also like to know how this can be even remotely construed by the Hatarians as a "holy war".

- Commanding Officer of External Relations,
Palil Panchito Guanikeyu

OOC: Edited in a line, damn TV is distracting.

OOC: I find it hilarious that people are castigating Hataria for not rolling over after being nuked and godrodded when any one of you would initiate a massive strategic counterstrike backed up by all your allies. :rolleyes:

Atopiana, do you think Hataria is stupid? If he were to completely disarm you'd just move in regular military to finish the job.

Atopiana, do you think Hataria is stupid? If he were to completely disarm you'd just move in regular military to finish the job.

OOC: Rubbish. I have no interest in conquering Hataria. I simply want him incapable of launching wars of aggression.

EDIT: And now he is. So I stopped. Look, moderation! :p

OOC: Rubbish. I have no interest in conquering Hataria. I simply want him incapable of launching wars of aggression.

OOC: And how many has he launched since his govermnent changed, despite all the people poking him?

Oh right. None.

He'd be fully justified in attacking you with everything now just in self-defense since you've already displayed you will use strategic weapons against his civilian population. I'll even note he hasn't used his own in response, which displays remarkable forbearance on his part.

In response to the escalating state of affairs off the Hatarian coast, and the involvement of our Wanderjarian allies, the Commonwealth has decided to deploy its 5th Naval Group, with the attached 23rd Marine Regiment, in addition to the 12th Fallschirmjager Regiment. They will arrive at the coast shortly, and will be prepared to defend the Commonwealth in any way they see fit. Do not take hostile action against these vessels, as we will not hesitate to retaliate against any and all targets of opportunity.

-Commonwealth Foreign Ministry-

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Several hundred klicks off the coast of Hataria, the 5th Naval Group headed towards the Hatarian coast at full speed. The group was comprised of 4 Nimitz-class carriers, and equal number of DESRONs comprised of 3 destroyers each, 3 Ticonderogas, two Kirovs, over a score of fleet tenders and tankers, 3 Los Angeles-class subs, and five Wasp-class amphibious assault ships.

Meanwhile, a pack of 4 LA-class subs was submerged just off the coast of Hataria, prepared to commence interdiction and first strike operations.

In response to the escalating state of affairs off the Hatarian coast, and the involvement of our Wanderjarian allies, the Commonwealth has decided to deploy its 5th Naval Group, with the attached 23rd Marine Regiment, in addition to the 12th Fallschirmjager Regiment. They will arrive at the coast shortly, and will be prepared to defend the Commonwealth in any way they see fit. Do not take hostile action against these vessels, as we will not hesitate to retaliate against any and all targets of opportunity.

-Commonwealth Foreign Ministry-

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Several hundred klicks off the coast of Hataria, the 5th Naval Group headed towards the Hatarian coast at full speed. The group was comprised of 4 Nimitz-class carriers, and equal number of DESRONs comprised of 3 destroyers each, 3 Ticonderogas, two Kirovs, over a score of fleet tenders and tankers, 3 Los Angeles-class subs, and five Wasp-class amphibious assault ships.

Meanwhile, a pack of 4 LA-class subs was submerged just off the coast of Hataria, prepared to commence interdiction and first strike operations.

OOC: So... you're invading Hataria for having the temerity to be nuked?

OOC: And how many has he launched since his govermnent changed, despite all the people poking him?

Oh right. None.

He'd be fully justified in attacking you with everything now just in self-defense since you've already displayed you will use strategic weapons against his civilian population. I'll even note he hasn't used his own in response, which displays remarkable forbearance on his part.

OOC: He's been rebuilding his military prior to launching new wars of aggression. His past record speaks for itself.

His inability to use strategic weapons in response will be because he no longer has any, and/or he knows that if he did he would be obliterated by an international coalition. *shrug* I don't care about the ins and outs of my action, the First Strike is complete and Hataria is finally neutered as an offensive power.

OOC: So... you're invading Hataria for having the temerity to be nuked?

OOC: Strange, I didn't know I was invading.

A ctrl-f later... nope, still no mention of 'invade' or 'invading' or 'invasion' in my post. How odd.

OOC: Guys, hataria is now a HERMIT Nation, that meens you can all Shut your mouths and Stop with this NOW!

OOC: We're working out the particulars. It won't take much longer, then you can have your little hiatus.

Edit: Damn jolt time warp!

OOC: Guys, hataria is now a HERMIT Nation, that meens you can all Shut your mouths and Stop with this NOW!

OOC: Hey guys, this time can you please fully destroy Hataria? They seem to come back after every war against them. Nuke em, poison their water, whatever. Just make sure theres no more Hatarians around to annoy the world population any longer.

OOC: He's been rebuilding his military prior to launching new wars of aggression. His past record speaks for itself.

His inability to use strategic weapons in response will be because he no longer has any, and/or he knows that if he did he would be obliterated by an international coalition. *shrug* I don't care about the ins and outs of my action, the First Strike is complete and Hataria is finally neutered as an offensive power.

OOC: And the new GNA-70 gunship, an ancient rebranded Mi-24, is an attempt to raise money for wars of aggression.

OOC: Guys, hataria is now a HERMIT Nation, that meens you can all Shut your mouths and Stop with this NOW!

OOC: I hate to say it but in this case the ends may justify the means.

OOC: And the new GNA-70 gunship, an ancient rebranded Mi-24, is an attempt to raise money for wars of aggression.



OOC: I hate to say it but in this case the ends may justify the means.

OOC: Because all nations that sell stuff are very warlike and aggressive!

we will send engineers and workers to help rebuild the Hatarian power&water supply and infastructure, doesnt matter what Atopiana says :mad:

we will send engineers and workers to help rebuild the Hatarian power&water supply and infastructure, doesnt matter what Atopiana says :mad:

OOC: Very true, considering Atopiana doesn't really exist as a state at the moment...

OOC: Because all nations that sell stuff are very warlike and aggressive!

OOC: True, but given his past record, I remember weapons sales and new designs preceding major offensives.

Message to all Powers involved in the current Hatarian Crisis


The nation of Droskianishk is appalled at the un-reasonable use of force against Hataria. While Droskianishk is dissapointed at the threatining and violent langauge of the Hatarians at times, it is not of this governments opinion that that language merits a nuclear response! We implore Atopiana to restrain its military force and stop all current military actions against Hataria. This however is not to say that Hataria is blameless. Hatarian actions must reflect an intention of peace, by dismantling any ability to launch an offensive. Should Atopian military actions continue Droskianishk will be forced to supply Hataria with weaponry, food, and other materials both of a military and non-military nature.


King Sikako Kutz I of Droskianishk

OOC: Guys, hataria is now a HERMIT Nation, that meens you can all Shut your mouths and Stop with this NOW!

DUR. I already have. :p

OOC: True, but given his past record, I remember weapons sales and new designs preceding major offensives.

Exactly. Coupled with the construction of a new, and modernised, armed forces, we had to act fast to prevent even higher casualties. The ends, in this case, justified the means.

OOC:

Why don't you guy's just ignore his wars? Really if he's godmodding, which I think, you could all just let him think he's winning, but just ignore him. By attacking him, I believe you're just provoking him into retaliation back, and thus the circle start's, I don't mean to offend you guy's, but that's what I've observed. Just thought a second opinon would be a good thing. :p

Official Response to The Premptive Assault. From the Government of The E.P.D.

Ladys and Gentlmen,

I Dagny Matterson, would like too express our deepest outrage and condemnation of the reckless disreguard of Human life. Both Hatarian, and indeed the potential worldwide victims of the nations surrounding Hataria.

As we have in the past taken a position of isolation concerning the Worlds affairs. This act, in it's brutality and uncaring manner to the nations of the World, is an awakening.

We have no ties too the Hatarians, save that of human soul to human soul. And have no wish to cause further hostilitys. Be that as it may. We announce that we are sending four Hospital ships too Hatarian waters, too find ports of their governments choosing. With which to aid in whatever small way we can with this lawless act of aggression. The treatment of survivors, and the delivering of medications too ease what suffering we can is the mission of these vessels.

It is our sincerest hope that the Nations involved can silence their sabers for a moment and let our mercy mission pass without incedent.

Her Emperial Magisty,
Dagny Matterson.

OOC:

Why don't you guy's just ignore his wars? Really if he's godmodding, which I think, you could all just let him think he's winning, but just ignore him. By attacking him, I believe you're just provoking him into retaliation back, and thus the circle start's, I don't mean to offend you guy's, but that's what I've observed. Just thought a second opinon would be a good thing. :p

OOC: I'd like to see Hataria start producing not copies but upgraded versions of these vehicles, then finally become a real military contractor, without building up the military.

Soon, respect will be regained, alliances formed, and the long delayed cycle can begin again.

OOC: And the new GNA-70 gunship, an ancient rebranded Mi-24, is an attempt to raise money for wars of aggression.

Lol. At the price Hataria is selling those things, it'll go into debt within weeks. I'm sure they cost more than $450,000 apiece to build.

good aspect, do it.

i mean E.P.D.

Well:

1) The Atopian nation is pwn'd. :p
2) 4,000 nuclear warheads from my strategic submarine fleet are en route to Hataria's cities. See the 'Goodbye Atopiana' thread.
3) RP the damage, Hataria. :)

The United Socialist States of New Brittonia deplore the use of nuclear weapons between Hataria and Atopiana. The United Socialist states of New Brittonia remain neutral, but would like to invite representatives of both nations to peace talks in our capital city of Epsom.

HEEEEY!!!!!! we have workers in Hataria!!!!!! stop those rockets and the war too!!!!

The Primo of Atopiana cordially points out to the New Brittonians that, actually, peace talks are pointless because in Hataria AND Atopiana everyone's fucking well DEAD and those that aren't are preoccupied with picking up the radioactive glowing remains and putting them back together again.

OOC: No radiation from kinetic strikes, so you won't have that to deal with anyways. The Nemesis-9X, however, is arguably worse...

No radiation from your strikes, yes. What do you think happened to my nuclear stockpile?

As for that weird virus, pah, the Skgorrian chemical-biological weapons research teams will have a response cooked up by the time I rally the survivors. Just so you know, I have maps. Allow me to demonstrate...

This is the Pact of Iron and its territories:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c51/GenSteiner/nationstatespoliticalmahi6.png

And THIS is the result of the assault on Atopiana:
http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c51/GenSteiner/Obliterated.png

As you can see... it is in the interests of the Grossetapens and the Skgorrians to cook up a response to that virus. ;)

Better move fast then, it's highly contagious and only takes about a week to kill things =p

If you do manage to cook up a vaccine, I will be highly put out. This virus was not cheap.

but it wont be tolerated that u attack Red Cross squads, Atopiana!!!!!:mp5:

but it wont be tolerated that u attack Red Cross squads, Atopiana!!!!!:mp5:

lol wut.

lol wut.

Thank God I keep this on hand:
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a335/shaddamIV/LOLWUT.png

Thank God I keep this on hand:
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a335/shaddamIV/LOLWUT.png

Exactly! Precisely.

Office of the Navy. E.P.D.

To all vessels assigned to Operation Hatarian Aid. You are hereby ordered too CEASE all operations. Return too ports of origin till ordered to do otherwise.

(The situations got really out of control. We may need you guys and gals back home.)

OOC. Hope none mind me jumping in. If possable, (and not taken.) The E.P.D. could be the area of Mexico.

New Tacoma News Network

Only losers watch CNN


In an officcial statement from his palace in the capital Alanismorris City, Supreme Overlord of The Unified Terrortories of New Tacoma, Fernando Alphonzo Cantrali II condemned the actions of both nations in his typically colourfull manner.

He said:
'You guys[Hataria and Atopiana] are both acting like immature bitches. Firing nuclear warheads into Hatarian cities and killing civillians is wrong no matter how you sugarcoat it. I really couldnt give a dirt rat's ass what Hataria did to you in the past. The past is past, the present is now. So stop bitching and firing nukes or it's saction time buster!'

When asked if he would engage in a military strike against Atopiana he stated that he would 'Discuss it with Corneilius McArdle [Head of New Tacoma's Security Forces] but nothing is definate yet.'


by
Roscoe Neumeyer- Political editor

New Tacoma News Network
*snip*[/B]

When asked if he would engage in a military strike against Atopiana he stated that he would 'Discuss it with Corneilius McArdle [Head of New Tacoma's Security Forces] but nothing is definate yet.'


:rolleyes: Oh go away. Play with someone more able to respond in kind... like Allanea, for example.

Official Communique From The Skgorrian Foreign Ministry

The Hatarian menace is at last being checked, for despite their promises to the contrary they are still warlike and preparing for war. The Pact of Iron's strike was done so with the aim of removing a major threat to international peace before it had the chance to blossom into something more deadly.

you sir, are a threat to international peace! you and your ally murdered my civilians, you murdered Hataria's civilians, and you murdered axis nova's civilians, i call that a threat to international peace! and your ally made me pay for the nukes he fired at me! i bet he's just going to use the money to buy more nukes so that he can nuke me again! and trust me, you've agrivated more than one nation here!

you people are sick, facist bastards. your racism will be your downfall

do the right thing and leave Hataria alone.

Sincerally,
President Jonathan R Hasley

OOC: Hey guys, this time can you please fully destroy Hataria? They seem to come back after every war against them. Nuke em, poison their water, whatever. Just make sure theres no more Hatarians around to annoy the world population any longer.

Too late: this time, the pro-Hatarians won the war, with Hatarian casualties at a marginal 12 million (marginal compared to their immense population.

Wanna aggress of Hataria again, Aurum?

OOC: I'm not pro-hatarian, but anti people who launch nuclear first strikes.

Awww. Damnit Atop, you beat me eh, I only killed five million of the buggers with my nuc strike. Then again, my nation wasn't wiped out, so I guess its even.

Hmm... maybe I could GIVE Atopiana nuke platforms to hit Hataria with <.<

And that's what I call the way to go out.

With a big, catastrophic, apocalyptic, BANG. :D

To be honest, 12 million dead Hatarians and the removal of their ability to launch or create a military strike for my nation? Fair swap really.

We herby condemn this attack against Hataria by Atopiana and herby call a full embargo on their nation.

We herby condemn this attack against Hataria by Atopiana and herby call a full embargo on their nation.


*laughs out loud as he envisages Kanami blockade an irradiated wasteland*

We herby condemn this attack against Hataria by Atopiana and herby call a full embargo on their nation.

Steel and Fire laughs at your embargo because the nation of Atopiana no longer exists. Its survivors have moved to Skgorria and its former territory is kinda... uninhabitable. So good luck.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12748524

OOC: I'm not pro-hatarian, but anti people who launch nuclear first strikes.

Sometimes first strikes are necessary. Not out of spite but out of defence- in this case the nukes were misused but their his nukes, he can do what he wants with them....and is it just me or is Hataria A) ignoring everything that is being said here which makes the thread irrelevant and B) hated by nearly everyone here?

OOC: So, out of curiosity, isn't pretty much anyone who wants to RP realistically pretty much shafted? I mean, with the fallout and the insanely deadly virus that's been let loose... some of it's sure to have gotten into some trade winds/international transportation. It would have been spread throughout the world by now, shouldn't it?

OOC: So, out of curiosity, isn't pretty much anyone who wants to RP realistically pretty much shafted? I mean, with the fallout and the insanely deadly virus that's been let loose... some of it's sure to have gotten into some trade winds/international transportation. It would have been spread throughout the world by now, shouldn't it?

OOC: This RP was unrealistic from the start. No nation in existence would permit its government to launch a completely unjustified nuclear first strike with the full knowledge of retaliation unless the entire population were mindless slaves under the control of a single dictator and couldn't do anything about it. And, of course, that's entirely impossible in any setting except FT, and in FT I seriously doubt any nation is small enough to be wiped out with an attack on a single planet.

OOC: This RP was unrealistic from the start. No nation in existence would permit its government to launch a completely unjustified nuclear first strike with the full knowledge of retaliation unless the entire population were mindless slaves under the control of a single dictator and couldn't do anything about it. And, of course, that's entirely impossible in any setting except FT, and in FT I seriously doubt any nation is small enough to be wiped out with an attack on a single planet.

OOC BFG Fleet can do it but that be after some Fleet battle to get near a target planet to do it and aside that the whole thing is unrealistic

OOC BFG Fleet can do it but that be after some Fleet battle to get near a target planet to do it and aside that the whole thing is unrealistic

OOC: That's true, but even in FT it is extremely difficult.

OOC: That's true, but even in FT it is extremely difficult.

OOC i forgot about the chaos planet killer ship

Statement from the Deep South Security Council


"We condem the actions of the Government of Atopiana, who pursuing the course of world conquest, declared war on Hataria. The long-known and the long-expected has thus taken place. The forces endeavoring to enslave the entire world now are moving toward this Region. Never before has there been a greater challenge to life, liberty and civilization. Delay invites great danger. Rapid and united effort by all of the peoples of the world who are determined to remain free will insure a world victory of the forces of justice and righteousness over the forces of savagery and of barbarism.

I therefore request the General Assembly to recognize a state of war between the Deep South and Atopiana."

OOC: This RP was unrealistic from the start. No nation in existence would permit its government to launch a completely unjustified nuclear first strike with the full knowledge of retaliation unless the entire population were mindless slaves under the control of a single dictator and couldn't do anything about it. And, of course, that's entirely impossible in any setting except FT, and in FT I seriously doubt any nation is small enough to be wiped out with an attack on a single planet.

:rolleyes: Don't be bloody stupid. You think three hundred years of totalitarian dictatorship isn't long enough for people to follow blindly? Christ alive, 'democracies' cheered their way into WWI.

And besides - the Hatarians didn't retaliate, did they? :p We achieved our aim: we destroyed the Hatarian military capability and removed them from the international scene. Victory. The incidental fact that a totally different foreign power started a new and different war with a single genocidal attack has nothing to do with the total success of the (entirely justified) First Strike.

OOC: So, out of curiosity, isn't pretty much anyone who wants to RP realistically pretty much shafted? I mean, with the fallout and the insanely deadly virus that's been let loose... some of it's sure to have gotten into some trade winds/international transportation. It would have been spread throughout the world by now, shouldn't it?

NS world is many times bigger than the actual Earth.

The continent Axis Nova is on by itself is about the size of North America, and has been stated to be "remote" compared to most of NS.

NS world is many times bigger than the actual Earth.

Wait wait wait.

Does that mean we're on a totally different planet to you? :confused: I've been using Earth as the basis for the alternative history that underpins the Pact of Iron and my various nations; ditto for colonial possessions.

Admittedly it would explain why the seas can accomodate so many soopaships but... still... :p

Or is NS Earth exactly the same continental layout, just much bigger?

The way someone once explained it to me, was to take the earth, and project it to a size of jupiter. Include several copies of continents, etc, so that people can effectively own the same land. It doesn't explain how ships travel day-to-day between continents, but it would explain how we can have multi-thousand ship fleets roaming the oceans and never meeting.

Makes sense I suppose. In some kind of warped and twisted reality! Eh, whatev's. Jupearth it is.

From: Hugo Kalén "president of Hugohk"
Date: 10:th of july 2007
Subject: Help

Knowing nothing of the background of this attack we cannot send our armed forces to the aid of either sides, although our laws do not stop us from sending assistance to the victims of this attack, obviously i am talking about all the civilians in Hataria, if a major armed operation is issued by any other major country then The Superpower of Hugohk can in some cases send military aid.
But at the moment we can only send some minor help packages, we will parachute:
100 minor generators
10 tons of grain (for people affected)
15 medical teams to aid of any civilian casualties, not military
20 tons of water
and 4 tons of supplies (to be shared throughout the country, this is all we could send, i am truly sorry)
but before this act can be issued we need Hatarias permission to send airplanes in Hatarian Airspace
Yours truly/
Hugohk President Of Hugohk

NS world is many times bigger than the actual Earth.

The continent Axis Nova is on by itself is about the size of North America, and has been stated to be "remote" compared to most of NS.

Yeah, but the reason that NS Earth is huge is to make the population/resource density equal to that of the Earth's, while keeping our enormous populations plausible, correct (although, wouldn't the enormous gravity crush us?)? Since the population density is the same, then wouldn't the Nemesis virus be able go pandemic? Unless the stuff has an incubation period of near-zero, and is, therefore, not a very effective weapon, it should be a global threat by now, except to 100% isolationist nations.

A general rule of thumb is that things that would otherwise cause global catastrophe don't tend to affect anything outside of their immediate region at most.

For example, if I were so inclined as to use my final option weapon and drop my natural resource satellite (a big asteroid) onto someone, it would crunch their region, but not the entire NS Earth.

By final, though, I mean -final-. The thing is far too valuable to get rid of unless there's no one left to make use of it.

OOC: and also, Hataria is going Isolationist for a while, but I will RETURN!

OOC: and also, Hataria is going Isolationist for a while, but I will RETURN!

OOC: Get on with it then, this is at least the 3rd time you've said "Last post for a while" or somesuch. Go or stay

A general rule of thumb is that things that would otherwise cause global catastrophe don't tend to affect anything outside of their immediate region at most.

I can see orbital bombardments following this rule, but pandemic viruses?

Anyway New Manth being in North Africa is not too too far away from Atopiana (Eastern Europe, right? Unless I misremember....), so just how contagious/longlasting is this pandemic of yours?

The fact that you blanketed an entire country in an airborne virus is making me rather nervous. Such things don't observe national borders, after all.

Atopiana is indeed in Eastern Europe. Its location roughly corresponds to the region Bulgaria-Rumania-Moldova-Ukraine with parts of Serbia, Greece, Turkey, Belarus etc.

I can see orbital bombardments following this rule, but pandemic viruses?

Anyway New Manth being in North Africa is not too too far away from Atopiana (Eastern Europe, right? Unless I misremember....), so just how contagious/longlasting is this pandemic of yours?

The fact that you blanketed an entire country in an airborne virus is making me rather nervous. Such things don't observe national borders, after all.

Yeah, I was considering RPing a national epidemic outside the arcologies of GTR.

It'd be interesting, if nothing else...

OOC: This is The New Map of The Hatarian Empire

http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/87/snewlookpy1.jpg

Hataria will be doing FT RPs till later oh and Hataria will have a new National Anthem

Get Across The Moon (http://sailorgalaxia.net/media/mp3/myu/12/13%20get%20across%20the%20moon.mp3)

The way someone once explained it to me, was to take the earth, and project it to a size of jupiter.


Try the Sun. NS Earth is a superplanet. It has to be to shrug off the constant stream of attacks that a PO'd God couldn't equal.

Try the Sun. NS Earth is a superplanet. It has to be to shrug off the constant stream of attacks that a PO'd God couldn't equal.

True, true. The number of times NSEarth has been nuked, bombed, infected with something nasty, it'd have to be. I'd like to see God pull of what some nations in II have done, to be honest...

Atopiana is indeed in Eastern Europe. Its location roughly corresponds to the region Bulgaria-Rumania-Moldova-Ukraine with parts of Serbia, Greece, Turkey, Belarus etc.

[OOC: It’s Romania, I don’t think I have ever heard it called Rumania. Is that where all the rum has gone? Anyways, all joking aside, I call the land you, along with your bubby, are on Unholy Europe as I call my Europe, Pure Europe. Damn there are a lot of commas in that last sentence. I do that so I can role-play with you two as I own most of the same land as you.

Wolfman out!]

[OOC: It’s Romania, I don’t think I have ever heard it called Rumania. Is that where all the rum has gone? Anyways, all joking aside, I call the land you, along with your bubby, are on Unholy Europe as I call my Europe, Pure Europe. Damn there are a lot of commas in that last sentence. I do that so I can role-play with you two as I own most of the same land as you.

Wolfman out!]

While the name is technically Romania:

In English, the name of the country was originally borrowed from French "Roumania" (<"Roumanie"), then evolved into "Rumania", but was eventually replaced after World War II by the name used officially: "Romania". With a few exceptions such as English and Hungarian ("Románia"), in most languages, the "u" form is still used (German and Swedish: Rumänien; Bulgarian: Румъния; Serbian: Румунија / Rumunija, Polish: Rumunia, etc). In Portuguese, to distinguish them from the Romans, the Romanians are called romenos and their country Roménia. The e reflects the distinct quality of the romanian â, even though it's not very similar. Portuguese has nearly the same sound as the romanian â, but it only appears in unstressed position.

:rolleyes: Don't be bloody stupid. You think three hundred years of totalitarian dictatorship isn't long enough for people to follow blindly? Christ alive, 'democracies' cheered their way into WWI.

WWI didn't wipe out their entire population and wasn't guaranteed to do so, and it was before people realized the devastating potential of modern warfare. Besides, there have been totalitarian regimes lasting that long (the autocratic monarchies of France and Spain come to mind) and they still managed to be overthrown despite centuries of indoctrination that their rulers were divinely appointed to lead them.

And besides - the Hatarians didn't retaliate, did they? :p We achieved our aim: we destroyed the Hatarian military capability and removed them from the international scene. Victory. The incidental fact that a totally different foreign power started a new and different war with a single genocidal attack has nothing to do with the total success of the (entirely justified) First Strike.

It wasn't justified by a long shot. Your nation recieved the punishment it deserved for a blatant act of genocide.

While the name is technically Romania:

[OOC: I see, I see. Silly sick me. Yes, I'm current fighting a cold like thing. Running noses and etc.]

OOC: In my opinion, Hataria should not stop posting because of this. After all, he didn't lose the war, and he only lost a small percentage of his population.

It's his enemies this time that got PWNed and removed from the international stage.

It wasn't justified by a long shot. Your nation recieved the punishment it deserved for a blatant act of genocide.

:confused: The fuck? You call a strike against a nation's military capability an act of genocide!?

Get stuffed!

Genocide is what the Pact of Iron did to South Africa - exterminated every living thing within it, levelled the landscape, and tarmac'd the surface before building huge factory and military complexes onto it and renaming it 'Airstrip One'.

Genocide is what the ASRF and SSRF did to Galation, killing 38,000,000 dead approx, and - as the wiki says; "The ruins were later sold off to the highest bidder, for a total of several billion dollars. Mutated sub-humans occasionally mount raids on the occupiers. The site of the Galatian capital, now a glass-walled crater, is controlled by Skgorria."

Genocide is what we did to the Caliguan Empire, Demaray, and the Fourth Holy Reich. Between just those three campaigns we killed about 1,071,000,000 people.

THAT's genocide. Not a pissant military strike that kills 12 million soldiers and civilians.

Fucksake... 'genocide'! Someone needs to get some perspective. :rolleyes: Genocide is what the Axis Novans did to the Atopians. Not a flaming military strike which successfully achieved its target of destroying another nation's military capability.

As far as justification goes, of course the first strike was damn well justified; hey, we used exactly the same reasoning - with the same evidence - as the Versailles Treaty and the 2003 invasion of Iraq, among others. If that's justifiable, then the Atopian attack on Hataria was justifiable by the same logic.

EDIT:

Legal definition of genocide: Organised acts of violence aimed at exterminating a group of people on racial, religious, or social grounds.

The First Strike: Military action aimed at destroying the Hatarian military capability. Which it did.

Axis Novan assault: Military action (organised act of violence) aimed expressly at exterminating the Atopians because they're Atopian.

You tell me which of those two is a 'genocidal act'.

Fucksake... 'genocide'! Someone needs to get some perspective. :rolleyes: Genocide is what the Axis Novans did to the Atopians. Not a flaming military strike which successfully achieved its target of destroying another nation's military capability.

He's [Atopiana] got a point.

Thank you!

I mean, if you want to talk numbers:

I killed 12 million Hatarians in a justified military strike which was both forewarned and avoidable (had the Hatarians attempted diplomacy in any way other than shouting NO).

Axis Nova killed 2.2 BILLION Atopians in a surprise attack which was unstoppable and unavoidable.

12,000,000 versus 2,200,000,000. Hm. Which of those is more genocidal? Think hard and carefully before you answer!

Official Communication from the New Manthian Denomination of Foreign Diplomacy to Vetalia.

Sorry we can't back you up on this one, we try to maintain a united diplomatic front with our allies when we can... but we find ourselves in full agreement with the Atopians. There is a world of difference between a first strike against targets of military value and a genocide.

OOC: Atopiana, are you planning on making a thread about rebuilding your nation, or just leaving it be for a while? I owe you some aid in rebuilding...

OOC: New Manth, ta for the offer, I'm just leaving it be for a while. I will, however, name-check you (and the other donors) in the wiki about the Imperial Province of Atopiana. :)

OOC: Genocide is not an applicable term, considering I'm not going out of my way to hunt down every last Atopianan.

OOC: Genocide is not an applicable term, considering I'm not going out of my way to hunt down every last Atopianan.

Get stuffed! Of course it's an applicable term; your actions fit the legal definition of genocide and that's good enough for me.

EDIT:

From wikipedia.

"Genocide is the mass killing of a group of people, as defined by Article 2 of the Convention on the Prevention and Punishment of the Crime of Genocide (CPPCG) as 'any of the following acts committed with intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such: killing members of the group; causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life, calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; and forcibly transferring children of the group to another group.'"

Note the bold: "destroy ... in part". You committed genocide. I didn't. I was in the right, you are in the wrong, thank you, goodnight.

Considering why I struck you, you're not really on any sort of moral high ground here. =p

Oh yeh? What'd that be then? The legitimate military strike on Hataria's military-industrial infrastructure?

I'm higher up the slope of depravity than you are, chum.

OOC: Hataria will Return on thursday, but for now, only OOCs on this Thread and a FT RP I need to finnish up

G
Note the bold: "destroy ... in part". You committed genocide. I didn't. I was in the right, you are in the wrong, thank you, goodnight.
You tried to destroy the Hatarians in part, by your own admission. So you are guilty too
--


The Phoenix Milita condemns the genocides committed by Atopiana and Axis Nova.

Official Governmental Communique from Descartesland Central Control

START

I, President Cailean Adair of Descartesland, am horribly saddened by the events in the short conflict between Hataria and Atopiana. Such disrespect for civilian life is horrifying. While in my humble opinion, the strikes that occured on either nation were unjustifiable, I feel morally obligated to offer assistance to the civilians of both sides of this conflict. Descartesland will offer food, water, and medical aid to any civilians affected by the despicable use of Weapons of Mass Destruction. Also, Descartesland is setting up several Refugee Camps for any of the citizens of either nation that have been displaced by the conflict. They will be treated with respect and given adequate food, medical treatment, and work to get them on their way to becoming possible permanent residents of Descartesland.

In the future, the nation of Descartesland offers our capitol city of Erringore as a neutral, non-aligned territory to conduct negotiations. Together, we can prevent such acts of genocide and atrocities against civilians. I volunteer my services as a neutral party to assist in any way possible.

Officially Signed:
President Cailean Adair

STOP

You tried to destroy the Hatarians in part, by your own admission. So you are guilty too

Fucking rubbish. Otherwise war is genocide. :rolleyes: Read the legal definition again please. Intent is what makes organised violence genocide - I intended military action with military results. The Axis Novans intended to obliterate the Atopian people. That's genocide.

The international community can not divine your intent. We assume the worst with harsh actions such as this.

Even "only" targeting certain areas, you still managed to kill 12 million people. Well let's look at what you targeted: all Hatarian shipyards, civilian and military, airfields, civilian and military, government offices, all power stations and infrastructure links such as bridges, railways.

With all of the ways in and out of Hataria destroyed, how could humanitarian aid, which was already needed, get into the country to relieve the massive disaster which your nation has caused? It seems to be deliberate acts to kill as many Hatarians as possible. If not with the initial strike, then with the aftermath. With today's modern military technology, and Hataria's weakened state, It would have been far more acceptable, and probably even more effective, to use a massive conventional bombing campaign against military bases, military airfield and military shipyards.

Two wrongs don't make a right. While Axis Nova overreacted in response to Atopianaian overreaction, we can not excuse either, and label both as genocides. In Atopiana's case it is like in Axis Nova's case a true Genocide, and it has already moved into the stage of denial in Atopiana