NationStates Jolt Archive

Since AMW is slowly coming back to violent life, and since it's been a while for some of us, I thought that somewhere for us all to catch up would be of use. There must be lots to discuss, and the off-site forum doesn't seem to be terribly exciting just at the moment.

Gurg and I have been talking about the coming of a new phase in the war, and I think we both consider the myriad of involved NPC nations something that will need discussing openly, for starters.

So, where do we stand, now?

I'm not quite sure where to start on this, but I want to talk a bit about NPC nations.

They're harder to ignore since the rate of new sign-ups to AMW has fallen, we have between us many periods of inactivity, France and her allies have invaded a lot of them, and the world is certainly moving into total war (the Soviets will make that a reality even if the League continues trying to back down).

Egypt seems to be a consistently problematic state since the departure of United Elias. The Soviets have a base in Tanzania which is NPC since the demise of the United African Republics. Since Algeria and Nigeria were dragged into the HL fold the Soviets have over-thrown the Namibian government. It'd be hard to deny the value of NPC nations in AMW, especially if we have a world-war that many of them could not realistically ignore.

I wonder if it'd be too much trouble to hammer out the alignment of some NPC nations of interest?

The Soviet and Holy League blocs are certainly going to war, unless the HL completely abandons Africa, and it seems increasingly likely that some capitalist nations and possibly NATO itself will also end up at war with the Soviets, where upon I have no idea what will happen between NATO and the HL.

More generally I'd like to get a mood established in AMW. The ISC ought to be the new USSR in some respects, and I imagine numerous nations starting to replace 7.62x39mm ammunition with 6.5x50mm, arming their troops with INSAS rifles (unless they want high-end and buy Spyrian!) and putting them in MT-1/2 battle tanks and Golkonda jets, and so forth.

Some nations could be drawn to adopt policies inspired by the Soviet and not entirely dissimilar Strainist economic models where in reality they've had no choice beyond going it alone post-USSR/Mao or going capitalist.

It seems to me it's either that or the ISC stands completely alone, unsupported, with hundreds of nations ignoring its economic model and its power for some completely mysterious reason... compelling us to annex Nepal and Bangladesh and so forth, because, man, they're all being d*cks anyway!

Likewise, the League has launched invasions and sponsored coups to get nations into its bloc (short of sponsoring a dictator I don't see how they'd get anyone else to willingly sign up to their model), and many nations remain just as capitalistic as in real life, and have pretty limited ties to the Soviet bloc.

So...

To keep things balanced and interesting, and establish more detailed connections, trade, relations and what have you that may be impacted by -or impact upon- whatever war we're tumbling into, I'd like to discuss the nature of some particular NPCs that I feel may be Soviet-aligned in some degree.

The People's Republic of Bangladesh.

Like most nations today IRL, this is of course not terribly socialistic at all. But to assume that in AMW would make no sense to me. Communism never died in AMW, just shifted focus from Moscow to Raipur during the 1980s... a key period in the development of Bangladesh IRL. Of course the nation's AMW history must be radically different, and I'm not aware of East Pakistan ever existing. Might be worth discussing this with LRR.

I've tended to assume limited co-operation between Raipur and Dhaka, such as Bangladesh's modern use of Indian-built Golkonda fighters instead of Russian jets, because why on earth would Bangladesh buy weapons from the HL (and expect them to actually get past the Soviets)?

The ethnic bonds between Bangladeshi and Soviet Bengalis are another link, and to pace of progress under Soviet socialism in neighbouring West Bengal must make a good counter-weight to the draw of western capitalism.

Cross-border co-operation on security and infrastructure is supposed to exist, with Soviet aid helping to develop the PRB. I'd like to assume some degree of socialism in the Bangladeshi economy, which I imagine is probably still fairly corrupt despite our best efforts. There should be some state control in infrastructure and the like, some low-level communal organisation in the vast agricultural sector, and a socialist alternative to sweatshops, though quite possibly some such things still exist and the PRB hasn't gone as far as Raipur would like in cutting ties to exploitative western firms.

In reality Bangladesh contributes heavily to UN force deployments, and in AMW I'm quite interested in having them instead chip-in with Soviet forces when it all goes off. We're the natural object for Dhaka's sucking-up.

The People's Republic of Nepal

A bit less clear cut even in my view. Nepal's revolution was officially Maoist, but received Soviet (and Hindustani, and a little Drapoel) aid none the less, partly because it annoyed the Hell out of then-divided China.

Of course, in AMW China is now even less socialistic than in reality, and I find it hard to believe that there's still much pretension to Maoism in the global revolutionary scene... Strainism and Sovietism surely feature in the consciousness of revolutionaries. In reality Soviet Communism appealed less in Asia, over all, because Maoism was local and a better fit, especially in largely agrarian societies. In AMW, Indian Sovietism... well, it's Indian!

I imagine that we trade significantly with Nepal and sponsor efforts to keep-out capitalism. Again, I'd like to think that any reforms lead more to market-socialism than to capitalist exploitation, but at the moment I've assumed Nepal to be still quite stubborn about reforming much in any direction, and to be in the tight grip of the Communist Party elite.

Will they contribute anything in the war? I don't know, I was thinking maybe a modest Nepali volunteer section attached to the Soviet military?

The Socialist Republic of Vietnam

In some ways more independent due to not sharing a border with the Commonwealth and to having jolly well earned its independence through its own strength and sacrifice, Vietnam also seems likely to be one of our better allies. In reality it was firmly in the Soviet camp and got into more than a few scraps as a result, in AMW I see India taking-over the USSR's role during the 1980s. We station warships there, maintain three ABM missile batteries, conduct some joint training operations, sell them nuclear power generation technology, operate major exchange programmes, supply military hardware, trade with state and worker-managed enterprises, promise full diplomatic and military protection, and expect Hanoi in turn to subtly reject Strainist and Combine advances where they conflict with Soviet interest, and to outright resist western involvement like it were a continuation of the Roycelandian Aggression.

I'd very much like to see Vietnamese troops joining the war effort when it comes down to it. Like the Bangladeshis, though, I'd imagine their commitment to represent a smaller part of their available force, and their available force to represent a smaller part of their national output, than is the case with Soviet India, which clearly will be leading the charge.

Lao People's Democratic Republic

Hardly significant in military terms, not much bigger economically, but Laos still receives Soviet support, though we hand-off much responsibility to Hanoi, keen to show trust in the SRV and prove that we aren't out to control everybody else. Laos should in some ways be easier to keep out of the capitalist fold, protected by Vietnam, remote, and offering little potential profit anyway. A single Laotian worker is worth more to international socialism as a comrade and free person than to the free market as a buyer or producer.

Possibly Laos would contribute a token attachment to a Soviet or Vietnamese outfit, but I haven't really thought much about it.

Cambodia

Bit of a difficult one. Cambodians have more than enough reason to hate the HL, but as yet they may not all be the most committed anti-capitalists. They probably didn't all enjoy Marimaian rule, and the nation is gripped by post-independence conflict.

Soviet India recognises Democratic Kampuchea, most of the world, I think, recognises Cambodia as, what, a capitalist party-oriented republic?

DK exists in a real sense in the north of the country and is dominated by the Khmer Rouge. In reality the KR was on the Chinese side of the Sino-Soviet split, but in AMW there's been no attempt by any other revolutionary element to subvert the movement, so with the only example actually interested in backing the movement being Soviet, the Khmer Rouge is a pro-Indian outfit. Perhaps Armand could try to splinter it, if he wants, but so far that's all she wrote.

Democratic Kampuchea can't contribute to the war effort because it's still fighting for control of Cambodia. It's a possible battle front in itself, but with Laos and Vietnam right next door it seems likely that foreign intervention against DK will just lead to Vietnamese forces pouring across the border and settling the matter once and for all.

United African Republics

A.K.A. Lusaka, ie. Tanzania, Zambia, Zimbabwe.

Lusaka was pro-Soviet, but very much independent for most of its history. The threat of Roycelandian invasion lead New Lusaka City to allow significant Soviet (and Hindustani) involvement in its affairs, but Igomo's policies tended to be very much his own.

Recent years saw chaos and economic decline, and I imagine that the UAR now exists in name only. The rise of particular nationalisms (Tanzanian, Zambian, and the continuation of Zimbabwean) goes hand in hand with the creation of independent governments (under Livingstone Miyanda, George Tanko, and Robert Mugabe respectively), and the power of Papa Africa, Derek Igomo, seems to be now largely ceremonial.

A large Soviet military base exists on Zanzibar in Tanzania, and as Miyanda owes his freedom and his power to India -and the Soviet Marines directly- it seems that Tanzania is a fairly safe bet for the pro-Soviet camp. Ujaamaist policies can be easily enough adapted to co-operate with the Soviet model in some slim way.

Zambia has always been close to Tanzania and fought hard to preserve African Socialism against the Theo Tendyala junta, and has to worry about the possibility of AfCom aggression, so they're probably on-side in principle.

Alas, India's relationship with the African Commonwealth may be -while less ideologically admirable- more important, and this could cause problems in future as well as undermining Zambian trust in the Soviets.

Zimbabwe's leadership is quite disagreeable, but even state-socialism will receive the Soviet tick in a time of such great crisis as this, and I imagine that Mugabe would actually be prepared to organise some worker-management and market-socialism in an effort to save his ailing economy, win major Soviet backing, and so forth. But I think that ZANU-PF-approved candidates would miraculously win every management election at worker-run concerns, and observation of Soviet-socialism in Zimbabwe would be a good way for western propagandists to decry the whole system (even if it doesn't actually run the same way in India).

The Lusakans already sent forces to Western Sahara, and I think it's safe to assume that all three Republics remain supportive of the communist bloc in any war. I will say that Zambia seems likely to contribute precious little: they're worried about Kinshasa, and, as I say, possibly distrustful of us anyway. Mugabe will have to keep significant forces back to defend against possible dissent at home.

The UAR could be an interesting theatre for war. Igomo was supposed to hand power over to his friend Colin Olongwe, Marshal of the Armed Forces, but now has no real power to hand over, nor even the power to hand it over. The possibility of Olongwe trying to launch a military coup and restore the UAR seems a strong one, and it'd be interesting to think about whether soldiers will follow their official, pan-Africanist commander, or give their loyalty to their particular nations and their individual republics. Anyone, just about, could get their foot in the door, in a civil-war situation like that.

Great Socialist People's Libyan Arab Jamahiriya

Backed by the ISC since the USSR started to stumble, the Colonel derives a lot of power from Raipur. Great military bases and stockpiles well beyond Libya's needs are supported with Soviet help, and tens of thousands of Soviet personnel are on the ground in Libya.

The ISC buys more Libyan oil than it needs (and re-exports it) (we can afford to do so because we acquire more oil below market price from Latin America: Soviet re-exports have a higher profit margin than most, so we can subsidise our Libyan imports and exports without hurting ourselves too much) in an effort to minimise Tripoli's reliance upon western markets and investors.

We try to encourage the practice of Qaddafi's democratic and socialist ideas (as per The Green Book) as far as possible, and Libya is probably a marginally better place to live and work in AMW than in reality.

Libya supports the Soviet war effort with extensive basing rights, but I'm in two minds as to how much further they will go. The Colonel can be infamously self-interested and opportunist. I dare say he'll jump to back us when it looks like we're going to win, so he gets credit later, and he'll likewise be quick to support any operation that stands to give him/Libya some gains, but otherwise he may hesitate to stick his neck out. If we invade Algeria, he'll come to settle his territorial disputes. If we cripple the League and invade Sicily he may send troops to share in the glory (and capture a few football stadia!), but if we kick-off on Roycelandia while the USQ has a battle fleet near the Gulf of Sirte he might just whistle and go for a well-timed stroll.

The South West African Soviet Commonwealth

Specifically the Namibian Soviet State, formerly Namibia. The NSS is crawling with Soviet forces, and SWAPO has experienced a purge in the right-wing of its membership. The tiny Namibian economy is undergoing radical overhaul as thousands are empowered and Soviet engineers lead infrastructure projects. Trade is exploding, and Namibia probably experiencing twice its RL economic growth, along with a significant redistribution of wealth... bound to be extremely popular in the nation with the world's worst income equality!

Of course, there's only so much that Namibia can contribute to the war. Its military hardly amounts to a single Soviet division, and the nuisance of Roycelandian espionage attempts ties most of that down as it struggles to secure a relatively vast and inhospitable territory. Again I imagine a tokenistic contribution to Soviet-lead forces.

Republic of Madagascar

A difficult one, again. In reality Madagascar was socialist for years, but, after the fall of communism, allowed the IMF and WB to start dictating its reforms in the middle of the 1990s. Being in the Indian Ocean and close to Soviet bases at Zanzibar, this seems likely to have been challenged.

At the turn of the '80s-90s Roycelandia attempted to seize Malagasy territory and was met by a Soviet expeditionary force supporting Ratsiraka. The Roycelandians were repelled following an outbreak of a mysterious illness known as the Madagascan Sleeping Sickness, or Malagasy Malaise afflicting white colonial troops, for which the ISC admitted responsibility more than a decade later.

In reality, a couple of years later, Ratsiraka was defeated at the first western-style election (only to regain power in '97, and lose it again in '02). His opponent, Ravalomanana, over-saw western capitalist reforms, but massive disputes have remained and the country nearly split in two, nearly had a coup, and so on and so forth.

I'm prepared to say that the ISC intervened in a fairly heavy-handed fashion to ensure that Ratsiraka won out when controversy and conflict arose, and may consider that Soviet bases established during the Roycelandian invasion remain in a minor form.

I'm not sure if we all remember that I've been reforming the AMW Commonwealth to act a lot tougher and less-fluffy than the main NS one!

Anyway, Madagascar is a very much up-in-the-air one that I'd like to discuss with other players.

Well, basically, that's how I see the Soviet bloc.

We also consider Hindustan to be more or less part of it, the Saharawi to be highly favourable (but we've reduced our aid to them as Armand stepped up to the plate), and possibly we have some involvement in Costa Paz (though that has to wait for the outcome of 60s-80s RPs). Then there's Neo-Anarchos, which we will defend as if it were part of Soviet India (even though it's infuriatingly independent-minded and sometimes uncooperative), and the possibility remains that Yugoslavia may be forced into our arms, somewhat against its will.

Armand and the Strainists are difficult buggers, so I'll just ignore them for now =)

Yay Beej!

It looks fine. Admittedly my first reaction was 'wtf? sovietblocomg', but then I realized that us NATO/HL nations have our blocs of support (NPC Europe, Canada, some middle eastern nations) so who am I to gripe?

When it comes to clients and revolutionary allies, the Strainists certainly aren't the Soviets... being with the Chinese during the Sino-Soviet split didn't leave it with much of a legacy. It has fingers in many pies, but except for Burma and (in a way) the Drapoel, it has few governments to whom it can look for backing. Honestly, we're all hoping NATO will nuke Raipur so we can step into the gap with wallets open, but praying that they wait until AFTER Armand has run out of crude.

More seriously, the Party has some political influence here and there... in Niigata (Japan) and Vancouver (Canada, though in Hudecia's last RP we were dscussing Strainist-style market reforms with the governing Bloc Francophonie ^_^) the Party might be able to get a legislator elected once and awhile. In several places the Party is prominent but in legislative minority... Papua (through the Javanese and Chinese populations, vs. Christian-indigenous majority) and Malaysia (through Chinese populations and leftists, bolstered by anti-Singapore sentiments, vs. Nationalist-Muslim majority). There I suspect the national polity would be immobilized in the event of war due to legislative deadlock... they might be tipped either way, but are more likely to be the site of conflicts than support in one. The Philippines is likewise deadlocked... I suspect the Strainists may have tipped the NPA away from the Soviets into their camp, but with international peacekeepers on the ground the country isnt in any bloc at all... some bits claim to be a People's Republic, others a capitalist one, and with Kalla gone the southern islands are probably looking with interest at that central Asian Caliphate-thing in hopes of getting enough weapons to force independence if the other sides keep stalling the referendum.

The only NPC really in the Strainist bloc is Burma. The SRA maintains a military base in Yangon, with shared air force and navy facilities, and has trained most of the country's military officers. However, though they might sympathize, the SRA is unlikely to march into battle alongside the Burmese as Aung San Suu Kyi is a pacifist and enjoys great popular support... it would take an imminent threat or widespread atrocities to move Burma into battle.

Bah, all this will change with the ceasefire in ECOWAS... we and the Combine can outspend you all dollar-for-dollar and buy ourselves some puppets, I tell you!

*Goes back to plotting takeover of Strathdonia by equally ludicrous methods*

** the Ghost of Strathdonia floats by makign a WOOOOO noise**

Now if you want any help or advice on what might work in Strathdonia feel free to ask.


Guys i'm sorry Strathdonia just kind of vanished (again) but i ws feeling more than little isolated and out of touch as things progressed up north and didn't really feel i had much to contribute appart from sending my frigates and maybe a divsion to die messily. If you Want Strathdonia back i'll see what i can do but if you would rather NPC it i will happily offer what advice i can.

I dunno about that, Strath. The French aren't such good soldiers.

Its a shame, but I don't blame you for becoming inactive. There isn't much going on in that part of the world, between Tias' and Lusaka's departure.

As far as power blocs are concerned, Hindustan is pretty much part of the Soviet Bloc. Surprise surprise. Parliament would, if it had its way, be non-aligned, but either way its strong Indian Nationalist bent leads it to support the ISC on most things.

Spyr, I believe, pointed out that the relationship between the INU and the ISC isn't actually all that strong, the two halves of India cooperating when it suits them and leaving each other alone when it doesn't. This is correct, or at least it was before the start of the West African war. Hindustan and Beth Gellert are, I think, indeed quite close, but I'm not entirely sure to what extent Mumbai is influenced by Raipur.

Anyway...

The INU does not exert an especially strong political influence worldwide, Parliament's unique and confused brand of democracy providing little in the way of a slogan or a coherent program. Neither does Mumbai tend to ask much of its associates, and it is long-standing Parliamentary policy to provide humanitarian assistance to whoever might need it. Especially strong diplomatic relationships are usually backed by ethnic or economic ties, often executed through Hindustan Aeronautics. Al-Azad, for instance, was assisted in developing a domestic light combat aircraft by HAL, and numerous joint aircraft projects have been undertaken with Strathdonia. The only exception is Eritrea, since the INU has maintained a very strong military and diplomatic presence in that nation since Hindustanis and Al-Azadis were called in to quell (of all things) a Suloist uprising.

NPCs present a pretty big problem in India, since my aesthetically-motivated shifting about of the past few years succeeded in leaving large swaths of country essentially unaccounted-for. There is still a lot of work that needs to be done in that area, though Depkazi invasion and the emergence of the Armandian Combine has done much to clear-up the state of affairs.

Bangladesh is in kind of the same boat, since there isn't a reason for it to exist in AMW. I must confess that my knowledge of Bangladeshi history pre-independence is quite limited, and I've only got up to just before Babur in my AMW history of India. Perhaps, thanks to its Muslim majority, Bangladesh voted to split with West Bengal and become independent, and, ever since, has sat around in poverty and relative insignificance. Maybe Llewellyn overran all of the old Bengal, and established some kind of Hindu principality there that provoked the ire of Muslim Bengalis. Perhaps the 1971 war happened after all, but was fought between a Bedgellen puppet ruler and the Mukti Bahini by itself.

Hmph. More to consider...

As far as dependent states are concerned, Britain doesn't have that many. We have the Falklands, which are essentially an unrepresented part of Britain anyway, the British Indian Ocean Territory, a string of empty islands and military bases, and Singapore. Singapore, for the moment, is a protectorate of sorts; it recently lost its government and ideally would have held a plebiscite to determine whether it would join the Empire or remain independent. Since Singapore's heyday was essentially the time it spent as a major British trading port, I had planned to keep it.

Then, of course, all this crap with the Soviets happened and it became a military base. Right now, there's a battalion (swiftly becoming the standard deployment unit for my army, it seems) of British Army troops (nee FC Army) holding it, and there are a number of AF/A-18 Super Hornets and Tornado GR.4s as air defence. Some ships, too. After all, Singapore is one big port, so we have a small amount of naval construction (Astute class submarines, if it matters) going on there.

Australasia, of course, is just another part of the Empire now.

Also Gibraltar, which is more or less like it is in RL, pending return to Britain by the French.

Then there are the military deployment zones, in Sierra Leone and Port Said. Sierra Leone is sort of a big staging point, where British troops come and go fairly readily. The government there is pretty much fine with it, since Britain doesn't really go around invading places like France, and we're guaranteeing their independence from the French, the Soviets and the Hindustanis. Port Said is still home to a battalion of army troops after the Suez crisis, and if the Soviets make any unpleasant shifts in that direction then more will be flown in from Cyprus.

I can't imagine that Egypt has too much of a problem with the deployment, since once again Britain tends not to intervene in the local happenings of a country much, while the Soviets and French alike will happily sponsor coups to put their own style of government in place. Egyptian people, who generally don't find themselves affected by the British presence, probably don't mind it either.

I think you're confusing Singapore in RL with Singapore in AMW, Gurg... two entirely different territories, one being a rather wealthy city-state which chose independence over Malaysian statehood after the British left, and the other being the head of a movement which militantly resisted the return of European powers to SE Asia at the end of WWII only to become the center of a brutal dictatorship oppressing populations from Kangar to Alotau under a doctrine of extremist militarism, and which since the end of its rule has been surrounded by newly-independent states whose core identities are intimately tied to hatred of their former rulers.

They'd have far more reason to vote themselves into Britain than Singapore ever would in RL, I'm sure, but it is important to remember that Singapore in AMW is essentially related to its real counterpart by little more than geography.

Is everyone okay with the idea of AMW moving into a new period of world-wide conflict, which may be largely characterised by a Soviet-sponsored attempt to finally bring about the oft-supposed world revolution? Probably the odds are going to be rather heavily against us achieving the fullness of it, but I want to make it a good struggle in at least some places.

I'll make use of the listed NPCs in various capacities depending on what seems appropriate, but if we do get any new players then good, they can take-over as Soviet subordinates or anti-communist coup leaders, it's all in good fun. Does anyone mind if we assume that Soviet meddling after the Roycelandian incursion has lead to Madagascar retaining its socialist government, and implementing Sovietist market-socialist rather than westernised market reforms? Of course there'll be about as much opposition to that as there had been to the non-socialists after they took power in reality. Possibly Madagascar will have adopted a new name in this climate, perhaps the Socialist Republic rather than just Republic, and Ratsiraka will be receiving Soviet support to dismantle opposition parties and establish some sort of Soviet-oriented democracy, though, practically, he'll probably be consolidating his own power more than most Indians would like.

Similar things in many other nations, where the governments may not be adopting pure Igovian economic and political practice, but will be doing as much to that end as they are to the capitalist and party-democratic models in reality.

The rest of the world, well, perhaps there'll be Soviet/Igovian movements in some countries, but I'll leave their scale and nature entirely to other players.

Yay, Luke-warm War!

Well. BG, I would say reality is reality, by any other name just as real.

I just want to say a blurb here. NPC nations for France are confined to Algeria and French Guiana. Caledonia is going to Gurg, and Africa is the war thing. That said, I wanted to speak about Spain really quickly.

It is not my preference to play Spain too, I am quite busy enough, and totally content with France. Since Spain is a Holy League power, however, moreover since it is Bourbon, and since it was merging with Morocco and activley involved in the war, I am helping it along as reality would dictate.
I wish we could find a reliable Spain, I will post something on the recruitment thread. And since we don't seem to have AMW fully active right now, anyway, where is Quinntonia and Roycelandia, pretty key right now...there is really no one else to step in and play Spain. I think LRR has his hands quite full enough right now.

Just wanted to say it is temporary, and onlu for as long as necessity dictates.

Yeah, where is Royce? If I'm wasting manpower protecting Tanzania I'd like to know about it! =)

China generally has less NPC influence than other blocs, with the majority of ties managed through Liu's Chinese Anschluss. That involved supporting organisations of overseas Chinese, mainly in SE Asia. I believe that Liu's National Stratocracy also attempted to establish sister organisations in SE Asia.

Looking at the big picture, most of Asia probably hates China due to the Spratlys issue. Things have improved somewhat with Hu Jin Tao, and Beijing may look at courting Malaysia in the near-term by floating issues such as 'compensation' and all that.

Outside Asia, China has been heavily courting the Southern Confederacy (and her natural resources) since it's inception and I hope to get that settled if we can find other players for that RP I was doing.

Overall China may remain quite isolated as long as Hu Jin Tao or Zhang stay in charge but might end up a militaristic expansionist power if Chang becomes President/President for life. On whose side? The League, NATO, or the Progressives? That depends on who offers him the best deal.

Hello there, I was wondering if I might be able to join this? My nation has already been placed in the real world, of course it's up to the Tsarist Empire (Estenlands/Quinntonia). I Pm'd Beddgellert asking about this and he informed that the territory where my country lies ((Eastern Ukraine)) has already been occupied, so I was wondering if it would be okay for me to join? maybe Rp my country going through an anarchist uprising in the AMW world? if it's all right with everyone that is?

Aside from Ukraine, there are plenty of free spaces in Eastern Europe, Scandinavia, etc.

von Snippity

*Waves timidly*

Hey AMW, I guess I should get out of the way the obvious stuff. I left Austria, who was just about dead anyhow, because I was bored, had stuff to do in RL, tired of Drekcsler, tired of Maxen, and most of all, tired of all my half-baked shoddy empire building. In addition, AMW at the time seemed to be largely dying a rather slow and painful death via un-ending delays and arguments.

Of course, thinking tons of AMW existed out there *points vaguely* I decided to find something else. E20 almost did it, but, we don't get to RP our forces, and so many rules it hardly makes it fun, as well as the snail's pace it has; Earth Judgment, or whatever Amazonia Beasts is doing, is rather nice yet I do miss that inherit over-realism which AMW used. I dunno, it just seems that that Earth is always kind of vague and indiscriminate when it talks about forces. "10000 men, 1000 tanks, and 100 airplanes are attacking lol bye."

Oh, and of course, I miss the writing. E20 is acceptable, as well as EJ, but really, compared to the stuff you guys spin out, it is just, well, lack-luster at best.

So the most obvious questions have been answered, kinda, and we can revisit them later, maybe, if we're all bored enough.

The second stringer questions do of course pop up, like for example: "Yeah, yeah, now tell us what you want". Well, the first answer that springs to mind is your half of the world, yet I'll try to navigate away from something some hopelessly cliché. A more realistic and less eccentric answer would be Spain, or lacking that, maybe Egypt, just somewhere essential where you need someone who is not already controlling a country. I'm not that picky, beggars can't be choosers and that nonsense, so even if you load me down with something mundane. Like, dare I say it, some un-holy matrimony of the Scandinavian countries I'll take it. Even if it would be really boring.

Did I cover all the bases? Maybe, maybe not. Mainly, I'm tired of trying to type and organize my thoughts, and am really tired of Microsoft Word annoying me about too many contractions, changing my words around to make me seem more ‘professional’ and then laughing at me by giving me a 9.3 Grade when it knows full well that I should be getting a 12.0.

Moorington, I was constantly impressed by your enjoyable RP style. And, I was just saying earlier, we need a Spain. And an Egypt. I will proudly sponsor you for either.

With Spain, you dive right in during the middle of a war, and have a chance for major RP ASAP. With Egypt it is pretty much the same, but may well have several more interesting angles. We need not speak about exiling you to Scandanavia, and I am personally glad to have your skills on a stage where you can make a difference. My only caveat, which does not worry me as I saw you do a consummate Austria, is whatever land you choose I think we all want to see realism, it motivation and style. As I said though, with you, its all good. Of course, for blatant reasons, I would love to have you on board as Spain. But it is your own choice.

Welcome back.

Zhyolatska, if your nation being set in Ukraine is really fundamental to you, then obviously we can't ask you to change it, and it's entirely up to Estenlands as to whether or not he's willing to consider a split in Ukraine (the Orange Revolution would have nothing on this, I'm sure!). If it's not quite so vital, then I can say that Romania and Poland are both free, if you can work anything out in that territory.

Claims don't have to cover whole nations, of course, so you could take part of either, or the whole of either. Uhm, with that in mind, if Romania-adjacent Bulgaria is of any interest (with or without Romania) then we might have something to discuss, behind the scenes (Bulgaria is currently a Socialist Republic within the SFR Yugoslavia, which is essentially Titoist without Tito, but the Bulgarians have lately taken a kicking by the Tsarists and aren't in great spirits).

Moorington, does this mean that I can have Maxen?

Its too bad you left Austria because I was really enjoying that RP. I think that for the most part we were doing a pretty good job with it. I do not think I will enjoy another RP as much as that one.

I do not think that we should hand a huge nation like Poland to someone green. If he wanted Poland he should start with only part of it. But we should probably try and give him a nation that is already involved in a RP. The best would probably be an African nation so that we do not have to RP the African forces ourselves. Of course if he wanted to RP a rebellion in Russia I would not mind.

To Yugoslavia: The reason I would like to have my nation set in the Ukraine, is that I've been RPing it set in the eastern Ukraine, across from the R. Dneiper. My nation follows the Ukrainian Hero Nestor Makhno, the ideologies of Ukrainian Anarcho-communism, they see themselves as the inheritors to the black army of Nestor Makhno and the like.

here's a map I used for my NS revolution thread, it's multicolored because I used it to show the land that shifted to the anarchist rebels (grey) and the land in the hands of the regime (black)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/quantumf8/Up-map2.png

So being part of the Ukraine is somewhat central to Zhyolatska, I even tried to style the name Zhyolatska after cossack ones.

But if Ukraine is not an option at all I suppose I could resign myself to a Latin American revolution or an eastern European leftist one as you suggested

To Yugoslavia: The reason I would like to have my nation set in the Ukraine, is that I've been RPing it set in the eastern Ukraine, across from the R. Dneiper. My nation follows the Ukrainian Hero Nestor Makhno, the ideologies of Ukrainian Anarcho-communism, they see themselves as the inheritors to the black army of Nestor Makhno and the like.

here's a map I used for my NS revolution thread, it's multicolored because I used it to show the land that shifted to the anarchist rebels (grey) and the land in the hands of the regime (black)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v516/quantumf8/Up-map2.png

So being part of the Ukraine is somewhat central to Zhyolatska, I even tried to style the name Zhyolatska after cossack ones.

But if Ukraine is not an option at all I suppose I could resign myself to a Latin American revolution or an eastern European leftist one as you suggested

Well good luck with trying to start a leftist revolution in Europe. The Holy League and NATO would be quick to smash any revolution in the area. You maybe could try a leftist revolution in Africa started by the ideas of Ukrainian Anarcho-communism if you wanted. There is already lots of action in Africa and if you wanted to get a RP going quickly that would probably be the best place for it. BG would probably love to have another leftist government in Africa.

But if you are dead set on Ukraine you might be able to convince Wingert to let you try.

Moorington, does this mean that I can have Maxen?
Yeah, you can have Maxen. Even though I did stretch the bounds of reality quite a few times, "Oh look, a prison in the Alps, Oh look, the Mauritius!" I still think that he is playable.


Its too bad you left Austria because I was really enjoying that RP. I think that for the most part we were doing a pretty good job with it. I do not think I will enjoy another RP as much as that one.

So what did you do with Austria? Just installed Maxen? Incorporated it into the Czech Republic, or what?

Moorington, I was constantly impressed by your enjoyable RP style. And, I was just saying earlier, we need a Spain. And an Egypt. I will proudly sponsor you for either.

With Spain, you dive right in during the middle of a war, and have a chance for major RP ASAP. With Egypt it is pretty much the same, but may well have several more interesting angles. We need not speak about exiling you to Scandanavia, and I am personally glad to have your skills on a stage where you can make a difference. My only caveat, which does not worry me as I saw you do a consummate Austria, is whatever land you choose I think we all want to see realism, it motivation and style. As I said though, with you, its all good. Of course, for blatant reasons, I would love to have you on board as Spain. But it is your own choice.

Welcome back.

I enjoy flattery just as much as the next person does. So now, regardless if I'm sent to play the dominate power of Denmark, I'll say yes to anything.

Spain... Hmm... Sounds good, I will try to dig up some old Maccabbes threads to see all of his names he has done for the Bourbon Realm.

Thanks NG, good to be back, so if no one else has any suggestions, comments, or negative phrases concerning my ascendancy to the Bourbons, I’ll go find the main AMW thread and see where I can go from there.

One possibility may be that the anarchists retreated through southern Ukraine and into the Carpathians, where they held-out and built an anarchist state in Romania, I suppose...

We are forgetting one major thing mes amis. Ukraine=Estenlands, the heart of the Tsarist Empire! Uh, no vacancy there!

Leggo my mono!

Oh, and Moor, I am going to do a lengthy TG today to give you a start up kit for Spain, by tonight for sure.

Oh, and Moor, I am going to do a lengthy TG today to give you a start up kit for Spain, by tonight for sure.

Okay, that'll be fun to read; Moorington and TMC I'll sign onto.

Let the boy win his spurs; just not in Estenlands.

How about you can run around with Romania and/or Bulgaria? Your start a insurrection Estenlands, he comes down on you like a ton of bricks, and you move your HQ to those two countries yet like it so much you just topple those governments. A little vague, loose, but you can fill in the details later.

Maybe you could do Mongolia, I know the White Cossacks installed a government there for a time before the Reds got the upper hand and installed another government, maybe just edit so either the Reds put it on the back burner, and never get around to it, or don't want to anger the Maoists and leave Mongolia be.

Regardless, it'd be fun to see some sort of Cossack group running around; hope we can all work something out.

Oh yeah Ukraine is the heart of the Russia empire. But I think it would fun to see him give it a try. But I have not seen any posts from Estenlands in a while. He did say he was thinking of leaving. So you could not start a rebellion in Ukraine if you did not have anyone to RP against. Unless someone else wanted to take it over for the time being.

Basically the Czechs seized a large chunk of Austria south of the Danube, including Vienna. If I can have Maxen I could make him the leader of the territories the Czechs seized. It will be a quasi independent protectorate for the time being. Maxen does not strike me as very dependable and loyal so I will probably have the Czechs keep a pretty close rein on him.

I was toying with the idea of having Germany take over the Czech Republic and territory occupied by the Czechs, but with the turmoil in Germany right now I am having second thoughts.

I think I may have agreed to give up the Czech Republic when I got Germany but unless anyone has objections I would like to keep playing the Czech Republic and territories. There is not much to do with a landlocked country when its not involved in combat but I would like to retain the ability to play with Klaus in the future.

Otto von Snippet

All I can add is that it sounds reasonable enough, given the current climate the Czech Republic should be able to see that even though they may dislike the Germans, at least they speak the same language and like the same beer. As opposed to other influences.

As for Maxen, sounds right, just give him a big paycheck and he'll be happy to sit back and enjoy the finer things in life. That is, unless he has some kind of massive brainstorm and goes off the wall in trying to establish his own South American government.

Ooo, that doesn't sound half bad.

For the sake of, well, something, can we do a half-an-half thing with Maxen? I promise he won't walk up to Klaus and go boom, or do anything to stupid. Yet, that whole South American Junta had a ring to it...

All I can add is that it sounds reasonable enough, given the current climate the Czech Republic should be able to see that even though they may dislike the Germans, at least they speak the same language and like the same beer. As opposed to other influences.

As for Maxen, sounds right, just give him a big paycheck and he'll be happy to sit back and enjoy the finer things in life. That is, unless he has some kind of massive brainstorm and goes off the wall in trying to establish his own South American government.

Ooo, that doesn't sound half bad.

For the sake of, well, something, can we do a half-an-half thing with Maxen? I promise he won't walk up to Klaus and go boom, or do anything to stupid. Yet, that whole South American Junta had a ring to it...

You know, the whole Die Letztes Symphonie thing is 'Germans in South America'. At this rate that continent will be ruled by Chinese puppets and Germans with chips on their shoulders.

You know, the whole Die Letztes Symphonie thing is 'Germans in South America'. At this rate that continent will be ruled by Chinese puppets and Germans with chips on their shoulders.

That sounds like a good old time, doesn't it?

Having some sort of weird SS revival, founded off the buried ideals of those ODESSA escapes against the self-centered China. Sounds nice, yet, I doubt I'll have the time...

That sounds like a good old time, doesn't it?

Having some sort of weird SS revival, founded off the buried ideals of those ODESSA escapes against the self-centered China. Sounds nice, yet, I doubt I'll have the time...

Well, Maxen would always be welcome as far as Felix Reinhardt and the Symphonie are concerned....maybe have Maxen as the head of government while Die Letztes Symphonie bankroll the whole thing. Don't forget, they did eliminate the Apostles and gain about 40 billion in the process.

Just a thought.

Right, the general gist I'm getting here is that I won't be able to RP my nation here, due to territorial constraints. I'd still like to join, what else is open that I might be interested in? I was thinking perhaps afghanistan, south africa, central/east europe, Central or southern america

Right, the general gist I'm getting here is that I won't be able to RP my nation here, due to territorial constraints. I'd still like to join, what else is open that I might be interested in? I was thinking perhaps afghanistan, south africa, central/east europe, Central or southern america

I would advise Poland and Lithuania, all countries with little, if any history.

Lithuania was conquered by the Tsarists.

I assume that there's an insurgency across the Baltic states, at the moment. Probably that's why Russia isn't doing much in the wars, right now. The Tsar probably has about ten subjects trying to kill him for every one who willingly pays taxes. He's tried to conscript 50,000 soldiers from a single Baltic state, if I remember correctly, which probably means that he's spent billions of dollars building an army that's just going to hand most of its equipment over to something akin to the Brotherhood of the Forest as soon as it gets it.

Poland's pretty bare, though. Romania, too. Has much happened with Slovakia? Probably not. Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Norway I think are all clean slates, right?

South Africa is available, along with Lesotho, Swaziland, and probably Botswana without very much history.

Afghanistan is a war-zone. Armandian statist communists, warlords, Depkazi Islamists all scrapping away.

South America seems to be up in the air with DNK thinking about something fresh. There's certainly some space there, but I'm a bit unsure about what and what history there is to take on.

Central America is similarly vague. Certainly some space, but hard to say exactly.

All I can add is that it sounds reasonable enough, given the current climate the Czech Republic should be able to see that even though they may dislike the Germans, at least they speak the same language and like the same beer. As opposed to other influences.

As for Maxen, sounds right, just give him a big paycheck and he'll be happy to sit back and enjoy the finer things in life. That is, unless he has some kind of massive brainstorm and goes off the wall in trying to establish his own South American government.

Ooo, that doesn't sound half bad.

For the sake of, well, something, can we do a half-an-half thing with Maxen? I promise he won't walk up to Klaus and go boom, or do anything to stupid. Yet, that whole South American Junta had a ring to it...

I will have to think about your proposal although I initially like your idea alot. It does make Maxen much more dangerous if you also had control of him. You never know what he will do! But if you want to work with Dai Nippon Koku and form some South American government you can do that to. He is your creation. If you still want to use him it probably would be best to have him in South America. Because he probably would not be too busy in the Czech Republic. But let me make some posts with him first and then you can have him back. I'll use his support to get a supporter for the Czechs in Austria.

I will have to think about your proposal although I initially like your idea alot. It does make Maxen much more dangerous if you also had control of him. You never know what he will do! But if you want to work with Dai Nippon Koku and form some South American government you can do that to. He is your creation. If you still want to use him it probably would be best to have him in South America. Because he probably would not be too busy in the Czech Republic. But let me make some posts with him first and then you can have him back. I'll use his support to get a supporter for the Czechs in Austria.

Well, I actually haven't asked DNK what he is doing, he did drop some hints about Chile, but that's all it seems he's willimg to divulge.

Hmm, maybe Argentina? We have whoever DNK is playing as, the British as they try to make sure no real big crack pots take power near their colonial jugular, AMW China, as he does, well, whatever he's doing, then add some eccentric who has urges to do the goosestep and roll out a Prusian flag; it'll be great!

Anyhow, I'll let you make him do his speecg thing.

On afghanistan, what about the events of september 9th 2001? What prominent warlords have been captured/still remain? Have any followed the path of Mohammed Fahim or Rashid Dostum? is the popolzai, Karzai, president? or is the country lacking one? IF the aforementioned events on 9/9/01 didn't happen, then I assume the country has no official leader, but the NA has made serious pushes from panjshir valley?

Edit: sorry for the questions, it's just that I'm interested in being a warlord, perhaps the Northern Alliance, in afghanistan or perhaps even a Talib

On afghanistan, what about the events of september 9th 2001? What prominent warlords have been captured/still remain? Have any followed the path of Mohammed Fahim or Rashid Dostum? is the popolzai, Karzai, president? or is the country lacking one? IF the aforementioned events on 9/9/01 didn't happen, then I assume the country has no official leader, but the NA has made serious pushes from panjshir valley?

Edit: sorry for the questions, it's just that I'm interested in being, a warlord, perhaps the Northern Alliance, in afghanistan or perhaps even a Talib

Afghanistan is just about nothing like we know it today, you could be a Warlord though, trying to carve out a independent Afghanistan from the mechanations of the Caliph and Armand, but that'd be a very up-hill battle, yet, if that floats your boat, sure.

Any more on the ground details I think Armandian Cheese should give, mainly because I only have the vaguest ideas of it.

Rashid Dostum is now known as Radu Khan. He is a General in the forces of the Depkazi Caliphate, leading an assault on Kandahar. Burhanuddin Rabbani is also subordinate to the Caliph, and I think that he administers Bactria.

Much of western Afghanistan is once again the communist Democratic Republic of Afghanistan, basically a puppet of the Armandian Combine. In much of the north the Caliphate holds sway, while in the south/central/eastern regions the Caliph's forces are fighting Balochistani troops and minor warlords.

The US (of Quinntonia) wasn't attacked by Islamic extremists, partly because Islam hasn't been a major force in AMW until very recently with the rise of Chingiz Khagan Depkazi and the new French-lead crusades in Africa.

Nobody's really playing the independent warlords or the Taleban at the moment. The Caliph is a bit more moderate than the Taleban and accuses them of misrepresenting the teachings of the faith (probably just so he can take their power). At the moment the Caliph looks pretty close to victory, but that's largely because nobody's helped the Taleban so far.

Possibly an Afghan nationalist plea might attract some supporters given that Armand and Depkazia are running pretty roughshod over local loyalties and traditions (the Armandians perhaps more so, since the Caliph at least hired Dostum and Rabbani). Or just warlords and those they pay.

Okay, chums, possible issue, here! Sorry!

It's Sunday evening here, as I type, and just a couple of hours ago I spoke to a chap who may end up employing me by Tuesday. If this does happens (and I stress if) I may be away for anything up to three months, and I have no idea whether or not I'll have regular/any internet access. It may not happen, but if it does it seems that it'll be sooner than I expected!

Now, if I vanish, BG will be back eventually, but it could be ages. I suppose, if I vanish, maybe we should consider the conflict to be on-going at a very low-intensity level? Ships shadowing each other and not engaging, maybe people launching satellites and shooting them down again, artillery and rocketry exchanges on Libya's borders with Niger and Algeria, general insurgency in the occupied African territories.

If I go, and much IC time passes, perhaps we can assume that the parties are building up to full wartime strength, switching to war economy, and such.

Even if I go away from Melbourne I may still be able to get on-line, but I don't know for sure =/

Sorry about this, guys. Hopefully if we just assume low-level conflict and phony war the rest of you can still do things in your own nations and between yourselves without the ISC having to get involved.

If I don't do this, I have to leave Australia, and I've decided that, frankly, that will not make me happy, so it has to be tried, at least.

Sorry to hear about that, and good luck with getting things sorted out! Hopefully you'll be able to stay in the lush parts of australia!

Also, on the topic of afghanistan, What about Ahmad Shah Masoud? as for the Taliban, What I meant by Talib was perhaps an islamic student, a revisionary of sorts organizing people. No Association with the Taliban Movement. Though I suppose I could try that.

I do think I would like to try a warlord of some form though, if it's okay with people? Also, Interesting note about Dostum there, I assume the Depkazi Caliphate controls Uzbekistan? Call it a lucky guess =P What's the state of the Panjshir valley or the Khyber pass by the way?

You mention Balochi in the south east of aghanistan as if they were a major force? have the Balochi moved to become a powerful ethnic force in this?

Sarcasm: Really? An islamic caliphate is seen as more moderate than the people who were called strict by Wahhabis, who made a version of pashtunwali and dared to called it Islam? I'm surprised!

Zhyolatska, basically, all you do is wait know for Depkaziah and AC to make their appearance, they will be the ones who will give the green light, being most affected by your entrance.

BG, ouch, that's a tough decision, hope it all works out.

Carpe diem BG. I would have no problem with that whatsoever...might have given me a few more days for Libya, but oh well. Im sure we can come up for some reason for it not being invaded. I myself, OOCly, would have not been at all displeased at fighting a large campaign in Libya, truth be told I was rather getting into the swing of it. However, neither will I mind focusing in some micro scenarios and working the non-military side of Africa.

In any case, your absence will be fine, and I am sure BG will still be nice and Marxist when you get back.

Well, at least now I can start thinking about the Maxen South African Junta with a degree of certainty; I'll have more time on my hands then I know what to do with, unless we still continue the other African ventures.

Careful who you're calling Marxist. That can get you shot in Soviet India outside Bengal.

Anyway, looks like I'm off on Wednesday. I have little internet access before then, but I'm hoping I'll be able to log on from time to time while I'm away, if only to keep BG active (hey, I'll have ten billion people before you know it, if I keep it alive).

If I have more time than expected then we'll keep things going. If not I'll launch into something major when I get back (three months from now, at most).

Uhm, the Khyber Pass, I think that's under Caliphal control since Chingiz conquered North Pakistan.

Yeah, Depkazia is Uzbekistan, Kyrgyzstan, Tajikistan, and Turkmenistan, and is dominated by the Depkazi ethnicity, which replaces most of the real ones existing there and leaves the Pashtun as possibly the major minority within the Caliphate.

Balochistan ceeded from the Indian National Union only recently and is now a greatly troubled independent state. The Caliph is backing insurgents there and seems likely to annex the place. He's also gearing up opposite the Vale of Kashmir to take on the Kashmiri Maharaja in possible co-operation with the INU.

It's a pretty crazy place.

I'm still interested in Rping an afghani faction of sorts, so I need Depkazia's approval before I can move into unclaimed afghanistan because Depkazia occupies it?

It's okay with me. Sorry, I'm pretty busy, lately. It's quite slow paced around that part of the world, so I hope that you'll have plenty of internal things to do, and maybe will deal with Armand (if he's around) and the INU quite a lot as well. China may be interested in you since they're a bit sick of Chingiz Khagan Depkazi talking about East Turketsan in reference to Xinjiang.

Faryab, Jowjzan, Balkh, Samangan, Baghlan, Kondoz, Takhar, and Badakshan are considered Bactria, and are organised as a Beylik under Burhanuddin Rabbani. Turkic nationalism is strong there, and the Caliph is reasonably popular (though not completely unopposed, and fairly widespread corruption does make security work difficult).

The DRA is in control in most of the west, but I'm not sure exactly how far its authority stretches. Depkazia has been fairly open about funding Islamist rebels and Turkic nationalists there and supplying them with arms against the government. An Armandian communist massacre at Towraghondi remains a strong rallying point for dissenters of all creeds.

In the extreme southeast Balochistan has invaded, and to their north the Caliphate has invaded from Bactria and through the Khyber Pass, which is now heavily patrolled by Pakistani Mujahideen and border police.

Radu Khan (Rashid Dostum) is leading a very large Caliphal army that has almost surrounded Kabul but has not managed to take the city as yet (who exactly is in control is anyone's guess, but feel free to take on the part of whoever you want it to be, if you like!), and the Balochistanis have started to launch limited air strikes against him. Depkazi air power is too remote, the nearest being based in Bactria and northern Pakistan, so they're getting away with it for now.

It's a huge multi-fronted scrap, all in all! Warlords, radical Islamists, a Caliphal army, a Baloch army, countless terrorist organisations, nationalists, racists, Armandian communists. Erm, have fun!

BG, if I may get some thoughts of yours before you go, and some OOC thoughts in general.

How will Libya exactly be in ‘low-grade’ mode while you are out making some money? For Gellert itself, I understand it the concept. But for Libya, which at this point is inextricably tied to everything I do? I mean how can I RP in the rest of Africa with like such a huge event, well, postponed beyond any credibility? So, then, my question would be how will Libya be in low grade mode, especially now that our fighters are tangling? Could it be possible that the writer of the little green book might call ‘emergency discussions’ and therefore necessitate a ceasefire? I do not have major IC military plans in Africa, but I do want to RP there on other fronts, political and economic etc. And, in a larger context, how can we work this into the timeline as time passing?

Wow, that sounded very convoluted, it probably was! Basically I have a favor to ask BG: can you give me a reason to put off Plan Yellow for three months that altogether really makes good, and even cool, sense. And you aren’t allowed just to nuke me afore you go!

I'm not sure. And damn, I have only half an hour left at the internet cafe, then I'm leaving town at 9.15 tomorrow morning. Agh, I hope that I can get internet access when I'm away!

Given the timescale hinted at the other day, with the sea battle against the Anglo forces a year ago or something by your estimation, it would be entirely possible to imagine that Soviet India has already put several million personnel into Libya and established massive stockpiles via sea, WIG, and air, and likely land routes from the African Commonwealth. That could discourage further League aggression on Libya when it is realised that Soviet strength is at such levels. On the other hand that makes it hard to explain why Soviet forces aren't pouring out of Libya and attacking you, and why you'd hang around for it.

We could equally say that Libya has received little extra support and as such isn't a major concern to you. But, in time, when I'm back, that too would be an obvious mistake as we'd use it as a platform to attack your rear.

It may not be a problem, I may get internet access... but I'm really not sure how to leave this =/

We may have to assume some sort of unlikely treaty. Maybe leave it for a few days, and if I don't come back after that, state that some sort of agreement was reached. The Soviets don't want to fight yet because they're trying to secure assurances from London and Washington that we won't be stabbed in the back and the Suez won't become a choke point, and France doesn't want to fight yet because they're still dealing with major resistance and insurgency in the occupied parts of West Africa. Maybe you're waiting for Russia and the other League states to mobilise and give you necessary manpower, and we're waiting to confirm that US carrier groups won't attack Sri Lanka as soon as we send our remaining fleets to Libya.

Okay, that's not ideal for either party, but it's my last minute suggestion as I bolt out the door. If it goes ahead, then, when I come back, one party will be first to blink and break the limited cease-fire by trying to knock the other off balance, and we'll decide who it is based on whatever the situation is when I return. Since I'm the one stepping out, maybe we'll agree to have the French make the first move when I'm back.

Fingers crossed for ready internet access out in the sticks.

I will RP your suggestion indubitally. When you come back you decide if there are more or less forces there. I will just say we reached a cease fire, and hands off. Mums the word. Thanks for chiming in, I can only imagine how busy you must be.

Ciao!

Would another involved party such as LRR or Spyr be interested in taking over Libya's RPing?

So how would I go about staking my claim in afghanistan?

Post a brief factbook and start roleplaying, bluntly put.

Also, the mods might not like it if you post about Afghanistan using your current name. Best to actually RP the nation of Zhyolatska, but situate it in Afghanistan.

Nine hours until I hop on the bus. Using a ridiculously bad internet cafe on my way home from the pub. Ick.

Libya could be RP'd by someone else, but Libya's forces are matched man-for-man, more or less, by the Soviets even during the Anglo-French Atlantic battle, never mind a year later, when Soviet forces may even outnumber Tripoli residents. If Libya goes on the offensive alone it's fine, but if Libya's attacked, the Soviets will do more fighting than the Libyans do, so someone else would also have to RP them, and it'd get a bit sticky. (And the Colonel probably wouldn't send his forces to attack without Soviet help, especially if it means leaving his nation totally controlled by Soviet forces!)

Fair point on Afghanistan, AMW_China. Also a sticky situation. Zhyolatska would have to either use that name to reference a movement in Afghanistan, or consider creating a secondary account just for AMW, I suppose. Probably the term Zhyolatska can be somehow connected to a faction, leader, or place, though, eh?

We may have to assume some sort of unlikely treaty....

It works; well, assuming the Spanish adventures in Mauritania and Western Sahara would also be part of this Phony War.

I would just presume that the Spaniards continue to do mopping up operations in the parts of Western Sahara were they already administer, and maybe some light skirmishes with the persistent guerilla fighters in that neck of the woods.

Even though I will be the third one to mention this; Zhy, have your crazy warlord be named your nation name and it'll be fine. Last thing any of us wants is some more misguided zeal from the mods and their latest decision directed towards our group.

No, Libya is BG's baby, it ought be RPed by him alone. I say its hands off on Libya, like stated earlier its in a sort of freeze, until its master finds time to play it again.

Dont worry Moor, there is so much to be done in other parts of the African west! And Spy RPs to boot.

Dont worry Moor, there is so much to be done in other parts of the African west! And Spy RPs to boot.

Oh yeah, that Spy-Spy-Spy thing I got into... Hmm, half of me wants to continue the RPing of that only somewhat believable state out of the Mauritius, at least for the Spy RP. Yet, I think I'll give it a pass and go with a good Catholic...

Could I maybe just make a puppet account? such as AMW_Northern Alliance?

I think that the NA is basically gone, replaced by Bactrian forces under Dostum as a General in the Caliphate's army. But that's the general idea.

Going to go out of town in two days (yay, New Delhi!) and don't know how much time to RP I'll get. That's not saying I've had any.

If you want to start something in Argentina I would be fine with that Moorington. Whats the link to the Dais Symphonie thing? That is not being posted on much is it?

If you get involved in it then I would be tempted to get involved too. I enjoyed that last RP. I could have some shady Germans support or fight against Maxen. Either way they could be involved.

If you joined the Japanese guy RPing then it would be better. Its hard to get motivated to RP if there are only a couple of people. Maybe we could convince those dastardly Soviets to get involved too.

If you want to start something in Argentina I would be fine with that Moorington. Whats the link to the Dais Symphonie thing? That is not being posted on much is it?

If you get involved in it then I would be tempted to get involved too. I enjoyed that last RP. I could have some shady Germans support or fight against Maxen. Either way they could be involved.

If you joined the Japanese guy RPing then it would be better. Its hard to get motivated to RP if there are only a couple of people. Maybe we could convince those dastardly Soviets to get involved too.

Well the Soviets will be largely gone yet if they really want too, I'm notstopping them; I don't believe DNK has posted the link, merely just hints of the name and what will be inside it. It will be rather fun, eh, with all the old buddies going out on another fun filled adventure largely fueled by the altered reality that Maxen lives in; namely, his in-ability to understand why he can't become a military dictator in South America.

K I'm working on the speech thing now. Once I am finished you can have M dog back.

Anything happening thread-wise on this front? New RPs?