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OOC: This is a Helicopter Gunship, not a boat Gunship.

IC:

GNA-70 'Bushmaster' Helicopter Gunship

General characteristics

Crew: 3 (pilot, weapons system officer and technician)
Capacity: 8 troops or 4 stretchers
Length: 17.5 m (57 ft 4 in)
Rotor diameter: 17.3 m (56 ft 7 in)
Wingspan: 6.5 m (21 ft 3 in)
Height: 6.5 m (21 ft 3 in)
Disc area: 235 m² (2,529.52 ft²)
Empty weight: 8,500 kg (18,740 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 12,000 kg (26 455 lb)
Powerplant: 2× Isotov TV3-117 turbines, 1,600 kW (2,200hp) each

Performance

Maximum speed: 335 km/h (208 mph)
Range: 450 km (280 miles)
Service ceiling: 4,500 m (14,750 ft)

Armament

Internal guns:
- flexible 12.7 mm TakKhan 673 RAGI Gatling gun
- fixed GSh-30K
- flexible GSh-23L
- PKT door mounted machine guns

External stores:
- Total payload is 1500kg of external stores.
- Inner hardpoints can carry at least 500kg
- Outer hardpoints can carry up to 250kgs
- Wing-tip pylons can only carry the 7Y45 Banson or The like


Bomb-load:
- All bombs within weight range ZAB, FAB, RBK, ODAB etc.
- MBD-4 multiple ejector racks with 4xFAB-100
- KGMU2V submunition/mine dispensers

The GNA-70 is a Large Helicopter Gunship made for use in the Hatarian Army and Marines, also for International Use. The latest Helicopter in the Military, it is one of The Most Powerful Helicopters The Hatarians now have.

Price: $450,000

NOW FOR SALE!

Price: $450,000



OOC: That's... really cheap for a helicopter.

It's a huge target, it's slow, it's too cheap to be good... and there's nothing talking about its armour (or lack thereof).

No thanks. I'll stick with my drones and my specialist heli-vehicles.

Congratulations, you have successfully renamed the Mi-24.

OOC: This is a Helicopter Gunship, not a boat Gunship.

IC:

GNA-70 'Bushmaster' Helicopter Gunship

General characteristics

Crew: 3 (pilot, weapons system officer and technician)
Capacity: 8 troops or 4 stretchers
Length: 17.5 m (57 ft 4 in)
Rotor diameter: 17.3 m (56 ft 7 in)
Wingspan: 6.5 m (21 ft 3 in)
Height: 6.5 m (21 ft 3 in)
Disc area: 235 m² (2,529.52 ft²)
Empty weight: 8,500 kg (18,740 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 12,000 kg (26 455 lb)
Powerplant: 2× Isotov TV3-117 turbines, 1,600 kW (2,200hp) each

Performance

Maximum speed: 335 km/h (208 mph)
Range: 450 km (280 miles)
Service ceiling: 4,500 m (14,750 ft)

Armament

Internal guns:
- flexible 12.7 mm TakKhan 673 RAGI Gatling gun
- fixed GSh-30K on the Mi-24P/VP
- flexible GSh-23L on the Mi-24VP
- PKT door mounted machine guns

External stores:
- Total payload is 1500kg of external stores.
- Inner hardpoints can carry at least 500kg
- Outer hardpoints can carry up to 250kgs
- Wing-tip pylons can only carry the 7Y45 Banson or The like


Bomb-load:
- All bombs within weight range ZAB, FAB, RBK, ODAB etc.
- MBD-4 multiple ejector racks with 4xFAB-100
- KGMU2V submunition/mine dispensers

The GNA-70 is a Large Helicopter Gunship made for use in the Hatarian Army and Marines, also for International Use. The latest Helicopter in the Military, it is one of The Most Powerful Helicopters The Hatarians now have.

Price: $450,000

NOW FOR SALE!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mi-24

Dude, you just copy/pasted from wikipedia!

General characteristics
Crew: 3 (pilot, weapons system officer and technician)
Capacity: 8 troops or 4 stretchers
Length: 17.5 m (57 ft 4 in)
Rotor diameter: 17.3 m (56 ft 7 in)
Wingspan: 6.5 m (21 ft 3 in)
Height: 6.5 m (21 ft 3 in)
Disc area: 235 m² (2,529.52 ft²)
Empty weight: 8,500 kg (18,740 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 12,000 kg (26 455 lb)
Powerplant: 2× Isotov TV3-117 turbines, 1,600 kW (2,200hp) each
Performance
Maximum speed: 335 km/h (208 mph)
Range: 450 km (280 miles)
Service ceiling: 4,500 m (14,750 ft)
[edit]Armament

Internal guns:
- flexible 12.7 mm YaKB-12.7 Yakushev-Borzov Gatling gun on most variants
- fixed GSh-30K on the Mi-24P/VP
- flexible GSh-23L on the Mi-24VP
- PKT door mounted machine guns
External stores:
- Total payload is 1500kg of external stores.
- Inner hardpoints can carry at least 500kg
- Outer hardpoints can carry up to 250kgs
- Wing-tip pylons can only carry the 9M17 Phalanga in the Mi-24A-D and the 9K114 Shturm complex in the Mi-24V-F.
Bomb-load:
- All bombs within weight range ZAB, FAB, RBK, ODAB etc.
- MBD-4 multiple ejector racks with 4xFAB-100
- KGMU2V submunition/mine dispensers

- fixed GSh-30K on the Mi-24P/VP
- flexible GSh-23L on the Mi-24VP


Indeed he did.

I'd buy a couple for target practice for my newly acquired tanks..

..... well if anything. We know it works....

Indeed he did.
And it is certainly not the first time he has copied and pasted stuff from wiki and claimed it as a new design..

And it is certainly not the first time he has copied and pasted stuff from wiki and claimed it as a new design..

Isn't that plagiarism and therefore an offense on NS?

Only if you steal designs from other NS'ers. Of course, C&P from Wiki is looked down upon.

Congratulations, you have successfully renamed the Mi-24.

So he has! In which case, it works, but is still outclassed and anyway we have fucktons of those in storage.

No, still not interested.

Isn't that plagiarism and therefore an offense on NS?

Wikipedia is open source and not copyrighted.

Wikipedia is open source and not copyrighted.

Oh I see now. Well shoot, that means there's nothing to prevent things like this from continuing.

there REALLY cheap. ill buy 400

there REALLY cheap. ill buy 400

Buy?

Don't be daft, I'll give you a thousand Mi-24s. Don't waste your money on Hataria's rubbish.

there REALLY cheap. ill buy 400

OOC: But if they're that cheap, it means there was probably either shoddy construction involved or cheap and unreliable parts.

OOC: But if they're that cheap, it means there was probably either shoddy construction involved or cheap and unreliable parts.
ooc: Or both.

OOC: But if they're that cheap, it means there was probably either shoddy construction involved or cheap and unreliable parts.

i guess so...


Buy?

Don't be daft, I'll give you a thousand Mi-24s. Don't waste your money on Hataria's rubbish.

sure, send them to my capital please. thank you

well i mean you could always buy some than sale them off to a third world country or guerrilla organization in need of cheap firepower that break down on them after a few days

I'd buy a couple for target practice for my newly acquired tanks..

^^Hence why I wrote this.^^

I would like to buy 1000 of these helicopters.

there REALLY cheap. ill buy 400

thank you are buying, we will sent the Shippmenty of 400 GNA-70s as soon as the money is wired.

thank you are buying, we will sent the Shippmenty of 400 GNA-70s as soon as the money is wired.

Too late.

The Atopian Ministry of Trade has just shipped 1,000 Mi-24s with spare parts, ammunition, maintainence manuals, pilot handbooks and the like to the Cazelian capital.

You've been outbid. You offer Mi-24s (renamed) at 450K each, Atopiana offered the Cazelians 1,000 Mi-24s for free.

Too late.

The Atopian Ministry of Trade has just shipped 1,000 Mi-24s with spare parts, ammunition, maintainence manuals, pilot handbooks and the like to the Cazelian capital.

You've been outbid. You offer Mi-24s (renamed) at 450K each, Atopiana offered the Cazelians 1,000 Mi-24s for free.

i would like to buy 400 more atopian Mi-24 hinds and 2000 hatarian GNA-70 bushamsters.

Hataria you were banned from the Draftroom for doing this....

Do you never learn?

i would like to buy 400 more atopian Mi-24 hinds and 2000 hatarian GNA-70 bushamsters.

OOC: They're basically the same, and you can just produce them domestically already.

OOC: Atopiana, all you are doing is Spamming up The Thread. so Butt out

IC: Hataria will send The Shippment of Helicopters to Greal

Wow... this is really pretty lame, Hataria. Worst copy/paste I've ever seen.

[OOC: He won't even acknowledge that he was sorta discovered 2 posts into the thread. Lame.]

I fail to see why anyone cares it's a rename since many other people just use real life stuff flat out.

I fail to see why anyone cares it's a rename since many other people just use real life stuff flat out.

Because we don't pretend it's something that it's not.

OOC: Still, you could just play along and buy the things for target practice. They are rather cheap. Heck, if you get tired of them, scrap them for parts to use against Hataria. How's that for irony?

General Resources - Defense Industries Division

Any nation that purchases a GNA-70 Gunship, is entitled to a free Mi-24PN which is a modified version of the Mi-24 Hind with modern Leafanistani made quality avionics, countermeasures electronic and flare/chaff, a new rotor from the Mi-28 and FLIR/IR cameras, provided they send us the GNA-70, in a 1:1 ratio. Those gunships will be scrapped and rebuilt into something worthy of gracing the skies.

This is a gift from our government and a way to promote our storefront.

Limit 20,000 per nation.

[END]

Product Evaluation
Evaluator: Airman First Class Neil Stein, SFAF

"They say nobody takes Hatarian military designs seriously. I believe it, given that they've gone through walkin' tanks and nitrogen bombs. Still, though, this helo was pretty damn cheap; were the Hatarians really tryin' to go bankrupt or somethin'? I wondered, I did. So me and a few buddies from the 114th [Helicopter Squadron], we pooled our money and bought one of them, plus ammo and supplies.

"You have to give it to the Hatarians... this time, they built somethin' that actually works. The helo flies, it shoots at things; we even took down some guy's hang glider. The bomb pylons ejected the dummies we'd stuck in there; we didn't have the money left for real bombs. Problem is, first off, it's really slow. Which, for a helo, is a big no-no; especially given that it's not even that large, we've seen twenty k-ton helos that go faster. Thus it's not big enough to hold that much ordnance, and it's slow... flyin' this baby in a warzone 'd be a death sentence. Second, the tech looks like it's years old. It's tough to use, inefficient, and totally outclassed by just about everythin' we've used before.

"In short, yeah, it provides good fire support... if you're flyin' F-4s or Migs. Against proper modern fighters it won't stand a chance. You can buy 'em if you want, but I wouldn't bother; plenty of better helos out there that do everythin' this 'un does, except about three times as good. And yeah, it's cheap, but at these prices you can expect the company sellin' them to go out of business within weeks."

"Overall rating: C-minus."

Product Evaluation
Evaluator: Airman First Class Neil Stein, SFAF

"They say nobody takes Hatarian military designs seriously. I believe it, given that they've gone through walkin' tanks and nitrogen bombs. Still, though, this helo was pretty damn cheap; were the Hatarians really tryin' to go bankrupt or somethin'? I wondered, I did. So me and a few buddies from the 114th [Helicopter Squadron], we pooled our money and bought one of them, plus ammo and supplies.

"You have to give it to the Hatarians... this time, they built somethin' that actually works. The helo flies, it shoots at things; we even took down some guy's hang glider. The bomb pylons ejected the dummies we'd stuck in there; we didn't have the money left for real bombs. Problem is, first off, it's really slow. Which, for a helo, is a big no-no; especially given that it's not even that large, we've seen twenty k-ton helos that go faster. Thus it's not big enough to hold that much ordnance, and it's slow... flyin' this baby in a warzone 'd be a death sentence. Second, the tech looks like it's years old. It's tough to use, inefficient, and totally outclassed by just about everythin' we've used before.

"In short, yeah, it provides good fire support... if you're flyin' F-4s or Migs. Against proper modern fighters it won't stand a chance. You can buy 'em if you want, but I wouldn't bother; plenty of better helos out there that do everythin' this 'un does, except about three times as good. And yeah, it's cheap, but at these prices you can expect the company sellin' them to go out of business within weeks."

"Overall rating: C-minus."

OOC: And how would you rate the Mi24?

Hataria, the fact you copy-pasted the Mi-24 straight here and renamed it is bad enough. But why the Mi-24? In my opinion it is a dreadful gunship, there are so many better gunships out there for you to nick- why do you chose this Eastern European garbage?

OOC: And how would you rate the Mi24?

The Mi-24 Hind, anything pre-24V is obsolete, easily destroyed by Stingers because it had no countermeasures, and an unarmored tail section, and if the tail is destroyed, the copter goes out of control.

Newer Mi-24s, -24Vs and onward have countermeasures, better armor, fixed landing gear, new rotors, but overall the Mi-24 is a hybrid transport and attack helicopter. This isn't suitable against a well armed enemy with easy access to MANPADS. It is not manuverable enough to serve as a front-line attack gunship.

As an armed ambulance, or a counter-insurgency aircraft it excels at this purpose, and most of its use was for this purpose. Even Saddam, who kept his tanks as stationary turrets WWI style twice, knew that the Hind wasn't good against the Americans and sent them into hiding to suppress a rebellion during the first Gulf War and the second one sent the Hinds over to Iran.

It is heavily armed, capable of self-reloading, has a large cargo capacity, and can carry troops as door gunners. With its thick armor capable of resisting .50 cal fire, versus an insurgent army such as the RUF, it can easily tear through them.

For a cheap gunship, the AH-1 Cobra and Supercobra or even a specialized Mi-8 will be less of a target than the Mi-24.