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This is a fighter being devolped for a number of reasons, mainly delievering fire to the enemy while try to manuver.

I will buy 135 to be delivered to Northern Baltic

we need to create it first

You have time

First we are going to put a remote control, cannon on top of the plane and below,to hit planes while turning and being above and below, 360' cannon defence.

No problem,i will buy 200 instead

OOC: Join The Draftroom (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?act=idx).

Oh and your idea of 360 degree cannon wouldn't work during a dogfight because well your moving at speeds above the sound barrier and a cannon like that would get blown off very easily.

that's why im reducing speed a bit, but the cannon will not be big.

It would really only be useful if it was a forwards/backwards gun (cannon implies big), because if you're firing at something beside you, it's probably moving too fast to hit. And having to maneuver the gun and the aircraft both at once would be a nightmare even for the most adept miltitasker.

Should the plane be stealth NC?

If you are interested in the development and acquisition of high performance combat aircraft, then I am perfectly happy to attempt to design and build something that meets your needs.

Should the plane be stealth NC?

Stealth isn't perfect and on a multi-role fighter it really isn't important.

The F-22 and the F-35 aren't Stealth fighters the just have stealth Characteristics.

ooc:

Cannons are anything 25mm (1 inch) and above
That being said, 20mm guns are often referred to as cannons and have been since ww2.

Having to maneuver the gun and the aircraft both at once would be quite simple. Just put two crew members, 1 pilot and 1 weapons officer.



With a 20, 23, 25, 27 or even 30mm cannon, your weapons range is going to be less than 2 miles, even the crappiest air-to-air missiles have a range of 3 miles.

You are not going to be able to get something with two cannons sticking out to be very stealthy, at all. Without stealth properties, your aircraft will be detected and destroyed before it has a chance to use its cannons

Why not try a moving missile turret instead?

A moving missile turrent would be cool.

yes, missle turret would be cool, very well. we still have alot of work to do.

... or you could make things far less mechanically complicated and use a short-ranged missle attached to a fixed hardpoint that can perform right angle turns and can target off boresight.

please, go to the draftroom, where the design will get critiqued and improved. people there do their own research, and often that research can help you. it saves a lot of time, esp. redesigning your aircraft if it comes out silly and impractical.

What kind of weapons is the plane going to have?

well, one cannon in the nose, but mostly missles, with anti-jamming capablilitys.

well, one cannon in the nose, but mostly missles, with anti-jamming capablilitys.



good idea, what kind of engines should the plane have?

hmm, i have to look on that, but it will be a single exahust, like the raptor.

hmm, i have to look on that, but it will be a single exahust, like the raptor.


you mean the Pratt & Whitney F119-0W-100 turbofans?

sounds cool.

hmm, i have to look on that, but it will be a single exahust, like the raptor.

The Raptor has two exhausts. And please for the love of god, Join the Draftroom. It'll make your life alot easier.

OCC: FINE!!! give me a link or somethin.

http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?act=idx

or

http://z13.invisionfree.com/The_NS_Draftroom/index.php?act=idx

Pick your poison.

*slowly chuckles to death*

How long do you think he'll last?

I would suggest placing an outline in 'Commisions'...

*passes out chuckling*

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*Wakes up, preses 'send reply'*

Edit:
On a constructive note, turets not needed anymore, unless you really want a gun in the tail, or to use it as a gunship.

It didn't take long to figure out that it was easier to keep a target on the wingtip than to strafe, so that is why most fixed wing land attack gunships have guns poking out one side, all the pilot has to do is a lazy bank turn around the target...

So a single gun turret under the fusealage capable of 90 degrees off bore sight and some elevation adjustment are good (and feasable, as seen on Su-25 frogfoot gunpod)

Something like 40 mm DU, API, and HE-frag shells perhaps?

With a large number of hardpoints, and a self-laser designation target system (LIDAR) active radar isn't a biggie, IIR is...

Passive RADAR is a good thing...

(imagines a high aspect ratio-ed plane circling like a vulture, firing 40 mm shells with deadly precision and every so often dropping a laser guided armor piecing bomb or cluster bombs, finished with an FAE and running away)
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Oh, a multi-role...
Downgrade main cannon to AA cannon (M61 20 mm), allow 40 mm bofors on tilting gunpods placed upon center pylon...

9 pylons, plus wingtips for AMRAAMs... Place a pair of sidewinders backwards on above wing pylon... Don't worry, they'll chirp when they see something they don't like...

Vectored thrust throws some pilots off balance, as it can rapidly bring forward facing 'off boresight' missiles against the enemy, followed by the main gun.

me?

*slowly chuckles to death*

How long do you think he'll last?

Maybe a couple of posts.

this is going to take a while as im not used to planes. so predict all you want.

The plane is going to be fast right?

i want it to be pretty fast yes, but we need to limit it due to other technologies, but yes pretty fast.

i want it to be pretty fast yes, but we need to limit it due to other technologies, but yes pretty fast.

Well you previously stated that it would go slower than the speed of sound, due to the mounted missile turrent/cannon/whatever you've decided on. Also keep in mind that this will put it at a disadvantage as many other planes fly much faster than mach one.

I really don't see why he would need a turret on a fighters. A bomber, yes, but not a fighter.

I'm thinking it would be a sorta Yak 141 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakovlev_Yak-43) or F 35 Lighting II style fighter bomber... since it's stealthy, prolly the latter.

Maybe a gunpod though...

Some things to ponder:

If the old little Ju-87 could carry a pair of 37s, and the Hawker Hurricane could carry a pair of Bofors 40 mm guns, why can't a jet fighter four to eight times as large carry the same?

And yet said planes can carry the bombload of a B-24 Liberator...
Yet the smaller B-25 could mount a 75 mm under its nose...

Answer: Rate of fire, not good enough for AA use, and since most RL brass fantisizes of being fighter pilots...

Nobody ever says: "I'm going to fly a BUFF when I grow up!"

Plus bombs make bigger 'booms' than gunpods...
And claims that gunpods are inaccurate are most likely spurned from the Vietnam era pods mounted on bomb racks, and then set through high speed/G manuvers...

Oddly, Rudolf Abel didn't complain that his 37 mm guns lacked accuracy...
Nor did Ju-88 pilots with 75 mm guns when they went hunting for B-17s...
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Please see my previous post, as I added some constructive criticisms and suggestions recently.
The Russians also had a tendasncy to mount gun pods backwards so that they could provide suppressive fire upon pull-out, thus rendering the Redeye SAMs near useless...