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OOC: So I thought this would be a great little thing in II to make things more interesting. For those unfamiliar with The Illuminati many conspiracy theories believe they exist as a secret world government or New World Order controlling or affecting all major world events. So sign up if interested.

IC:

The man stood in the doorway of a small building, just another building among the hundreds of buildings within the city. From the outside it looked like a run down factory which looked dangerous and unforgiving to passers by who sped past by it quickly. However beneath this imposing exterior was a much bigger secret and a much more frightening idea.

The man took a drag from his cigarette and dropped it. The man was a tall muscular man of Indian ethnicity with short black hair and hazelnut eyes, eyes that were both calm and piercing at the same time. He was known as Amrit, no middle or last name, just Amrit. He looked down the road waiting calmly. He then turned around closing the door behind him. He would only open it again for the rest of the group.

Tonight was the night that the world would once again be influenced by an elite group of minds, tonight the Illuminati would return.

Current People signed up:

Kulikovia
Lifesblood
Alversia

OOC: This sounds awesome! What can the rest of us do and what city is this in?

OOC: The people who sign up will become members of The Illuminati. The Illuminati will then scan the NS world looking at all big events and influence them in such a way that benefits the Illuminati. Many of the RPs that are noticed by the Illuminati will be posted here in the first post as a Major Event and one or a few of the Illuminati will try and influence the outcome of the RP. No GODMODDING will be involved and there are three ways in which a favourable outcome could be acheived. Persuasion, Coercion and Bribery.

The currnet city is Yunik in North Londim. A small poor town where no one would expect a powerful organisation such as this to exist.

OoC: I'd like to sign up, if that's ok?

Will the organisation also infiltrate positions of power within the NS world?

OoC: I'd like to sign up, if that's ok?

Will the organisation also infiltrate positions of power within the NS world?


OOC: It will try to infiltrate as much of the world as possible. Anything to benefit the organisation.

OOC: What sort of thing would benefit the Illuminati exactly?

OOC: Sounds like a cool idea though! I'd like to sign up

OOC: What sort of thing would benefit the Illuminati exactly?

A good question but the one thing that benefits the Illuminati is the one thing most people dream of, power. And what is a bigger sign of power than controlling the world and in such a way that no one can get rid of you. Money also comes into it but the thrist for power is what drives the Illuminati.

OOC: Sounds like a cool idea though! I'd like to sign up

I welcome all that have signed up.

I guess we gain this power through manipulation of various conflicts and events? Use certain people in certain areas to gain advantage for the Order.

Is it people from a nation involved or the entire nation itself?

Sorry to be so curious but its best to sort these things out early rather than the confusion later on

I guess we gain this power through manipulation of various conflicts and events? Use certain people in certain areas to gain advantage for the Order.

Indeed we will gain the power through manipualting big events and also creating events by planting doubt in peoples minds. if out to the test the Illuminati in theory could manipulate two natiosn so much that they go to war with each other.


Is it people from a nation involved or the entire nation itself?

Do you mean the Illuminati itself? The answer to this would be like minded individuals from all over to control main conflicts and events. Most members are very intelligent and have ways to influence the world be it money, being able to scare people or persuade as it were.[/quote]

Sorry to be so curious but its best to sort these things out early rather than the confusion later on

It is better to be critical early than to have problems later.

Is it people from a nation involved or the entire nation itself?

I'll give you an example, at the moment TPF and NC are engaged in a pretty vicious war. My nation has agreed not to get involved, however would it be the nation's policies that changed or just and individuals?

In other words, would it be the nation doing the manipulating or a secretive person within the nation? Am I RPing Alversia herself or just an Alversian National?

Conspiracy is high in my nation's 'Do not do' list

Is it people from a nation involved or the entire nation itself?

I'll give you an example, at the moment TPF and NC are engaged in a pretty vicious war. My nation has agreed not to get involved, however would it be the nation's policies that changed or just and individuals?

In other words, would it be the nation doing the manipulating or a secretive person within the nation? Am I RPing Alversia herself or just an Alversian National?

Conspiracy is high in my nation's 'Do not do' list


An individual would be involved. No nations have any knowledge of the Illuminati except for people in power who are apporached with offers and threats from the Illuminati. This gives the added Illuminati an added benefit in the way that no one would seemingly believe the person who was spoken to, I mean would you believe your national leader if he said he had been told to do everything because a secret organisation told him to? No leader would say anything either solely to avoid embarrasement and scandal themselves.

An individual would be involved. No nations have any knowledge of the Illuminati except for people in power who are apporached with offers and threats from the Illuminati. This gives the added Illuminati an added benefit in the way that no one would seemingly believe the person who was spoken to, I mean would you believe your national leader if he said he had been told to do everything because a secret organisation told him to? No leader would say anything either solely to avoid embarrasement and scandal themselves.

That's fair enough, My nation doesn't want to be involved in international conspiracies. Certain individuals though...

Hold on, did my last post send? How long does it take? I like, never use the forums, so I'm really confused, and now I wanna test the posting thing so that I can figure out whether I should copy and paste what I wrote.

-Bertoffski

That's fair enough, My nation doesn't want to be involved in international conspiracies. Certain individuals though...

No nation really does. Londims new government also avoids conspiracies but there will always be people who start such things..

Hold on, did my last post send? How long does it take? I like, never use the forums, so I'm really confused, and now I wanna test the posting thing so that I can figure out whether I should copy and paste what I wrote.

-Bertoffski

Copy and Paste?

No nation really does. Londims new government also avoids conspiracies but there will always be people who start such things..



Copy and Paste?

Oh, I found that I could get a copy of my orignal post by pressing "back" on the browser until I got to my post. I was realllly relieved, 'cause I spent hours writing it. xD

...of course, I still haven't figured out how to send it. I tried splitting it into two parts, but the first part didn't appear when I sent it for some reason. I think it exceeded the maximum post length...

-Bertoffski

Ummm, I kind of didn't see this message that it sent me the first few times I tried to post, until about the fifth time... It says that a moderator has to approve my post before it will appear, which I guess is a mechanism to keep ranting people from clogging up the forums and wasting bandwith. Sooo, some moderator is gonna be ticked to see that I sent the same post five times, and now I wish I hadn't done that, 'cause the whole thing didn't stay on my clipboard. Aw, well.

THANKS MOD!

-Bertoffski

Just know that who ever influences the world in ways against the Ancient order of the Black Agents. Know we will be their to kill your members and to see justice done.

Just know that who ever influences the world in ways against the Ancient order of the Black Agents. Know we will be their to kill your members and to see justice done.

Is this gonna be an underground war?

Just know that who ever influences the world in ways against the Ancient order of the Black Agents. Know we will be their to kill your members and to see justice done.

OoC: I imagine, considering the mercenary nature of your organisation, that the Illuminati would utilise your services for their own ends. Also, the periods of instability the Illuminati could generate would create a ground ripe with assassination etc. contracts for you.

The city of Yunik was a small city by standards on a primitive world especially by those of the Imperium. The might of the Imperium was awesome, it's reach and influence great yet for some reason one man traveled to this world but not any normal man he was an Inquisitor. His transporter beamed him to a discreet location near the factory. He was Inquisitor Goroth of the Ordo Malleus and it was his duty to safeguard the Imperium and now he was going to take yet another step in the process. He silently walked into the factory and waited with his hand resting on his Nemesis Force Sword........

Hey, this is certainly an interesting idea/premise, and I would like to get involved.

However, I think it needs a little bit more fleshing out.

9. Okay, so that's 18 million people serving drinks. But what about the other 2 million? THIS is where people get to start knowing some of our secret knowledge, like I said they would before. Actually, this is where people get to start collecting knowledge... nothing too important, though. We need a group of researchers and scientists above the acolytes to study the cutting edges of technology, information, theoretical physics, astronomy, and, if we manage to discover it, the supernatural. We need lots of researchers, so we can devote 6% to the category. That's 1.2 million, by the way.

10. So, thinks like organization and research are set up, but we still need some of the 800,000 remaining people to actually make some decisions. 3.5% of the total order, or 700,000, would be legislators. Y'know, to figure out what should be done with collapsing bridges, what changes should be made to the educational system and the media, which corporations contribute most and should therefore be given the most funding, and so on. These people would operate in undisclosed locations, surrounded by high-level security systems, researchers, and acolytes. The legislators would also be the most separate from other members, since acolytes and researchers would have more to do with those above them than those below them.

11. Alright, now we've got 99.5% of 0.2% of a population making trivial decisions and keeping things organized. Society is functioning well, and no one who one who shouldn't is concerned with its future, or the secrets of the universe, for that matter. But what about the other 0.5% of 0.2%? (That's also 0.001% of the total population, or 100,000 people.) This is the place that all acolytes aspire to reach: the masons. The masons would aspire to reach even higher levels, of course, if they thought such levels existed. The masons are members of age-old orders which, in actuality, are now extinct. However, they take the names of the Knights' Templar, the Freemasons, and whatever those weird organizations in the Da Vinci Code were. The masons make up 70% of that 100,000 people, or 70,000 people. They are the ones who recieve the information discovered by researchers, and also who are attended to by the higher-level acolytes, who have their own hierarchy. The masons learn all of the teachings of their respective cults, all of which are part of the same system.

12. These percents are realllllly starting to confuse me, so I'm gonna switch to actual numbers of people now. Okay, so there's 30,000 left whose roles haven't yet been organized. Of these, 21,000 would simply be the highest members of the masonry groups- they would write the rules of the groups, organize the results of the conclusions drawn by the lower masons based on data collected by reasearchers, (whoah, look at the degrees of separation!) and attend high-level meetings and such to decide stuff in councils, which would probably have all sorts of fancy, important-looking rituals.

13. Now we're down to the last 9,000, who live and work away from the top-secret, closely guarded meeting places of the masons and higher masons in super-top-secret, super-closely guarded locations. Rather than take risks such as associating directly with the lower members, they analyze the information collected by researchers and masons via the computer system, which they can easily hack into, having built it. If someone dangerous needs to be 'taken care of,' then the task is given to someone of the same or lesser social status as the person in question. However, it is the directors who decide how, why, and whether someone has to be assassinated. They also make sure the legislators are on-task and attend only to trivial matters, which are therefore important to them. Obviously, 9,000 is a big number, but this is the first stage at which the offices in question are essentially filled by "us." Like, I know there aren't 9,000 of us, but that might be the number of actual NS players directly connected to the Ilumcabinet eventually. 8,200 of these would be overseen by the other 800, and have their own, less rigidly defined hierarchy amongst themselves. In practical terms, these would be the people who were "signed on" with us, but didn't really do a whole lot. Controlling them would therefore be the difficult part, but if need be, I can later edit this post so that it doesn't include the word "controlling," or this sentence. These casual members would be bureaucratically governed by the reeeeeeal "us," who, as I have mentioned, would number 800.

14. Out of the top 800, we need policy-makers and such to keep track of the other 8,200. If there were only 100 of these people, then each would have to consisently keep tabs on 82 NS accounts. This would be somewhat difficult to convince a hundred people to do. However, 600 people would have to keep track of only 14 accounts. (Whoah, this is level 14 of the hierarchy, and I didn't even set it up that way on purpose! :eek:) Imagine only getting 14 emails a day... Alright, so that might be more than some of you usually get, but it's still not thaaaat big of a deal. Okay, so that's plenty of capability for keeping our actual written policy in place, and expanding our actual power base, (for example, voting for and convincing people to vote for the UN decisons that we decide on, if that's legal in NS) but we still need leadership. The highest tier (containing the highest social classes) will have about 200 people in it.

15. Of these 200 people, 125 will manage the 600 to make sure that they're keeping up with the schedule and accomplishing their goal. Unlike the lower groups, such as the masons, our high-level policy-makers will have a decent chance of ascending to our level, especially as some of our number inevitably get bored and leave. Also, the 125:600 ratio means that each of our managers will only have 4 or 5 people to keep on track during our conquest, meaning that we will likely be very efficient and therefore successful in our endeavors. Of course, those keeping track of 5 people will have to do a lot more work per person than those keeping track of 14 or so accounts. (For instance, higher members will have to write and send four or five times as many messages than lower ones.) The total work will be higher for the higher-class people, as well, simply because it's a good idea to give more work per person to the fairly small group of people who have the more interest than the majority who will not rise as high in the ranks of the Order.

16. Okay, so with only 800 people doing any actual governing, (that is to say, they definitely KNOW that they're in the Order, and didn't just sign up for it, then forget) this stuff is starting to look somewhere between realistic and optimistic, though as we've just started off, it's safer to say that it leans towards overly optimisitc. In any case, I've gotten down to the top 75 people in the hierarchy- probably less than the number of people that any one of you knows or has known personally, and could name. Of course, meeting people will be an important part of this, too. =D

These top 75 will be the TRUE Illuminati. SO true, in fact, that I actually bothered to spell the word correctly. Y'know how I've used the word "us" as part of describing the extreme power of groups several times now? Yeah, well, this 75 will really, REALLY be us.

Look at it this way: I used to go to this school which I'm absolutely postive assigns more homework than any other high school or junior high or elementary or whatever in the state. In my spare time, I managed to found, write about 20 pages for and about, build, and manage a pseudo-cult of over 20 people. I mean, not all of them were as entusiastic about it as me, but I gotta say it went pretty well overall. Oh, and we waged war against opposing cults by flailing our hand like sissies, and still managed to win just because the opposition took themselves even less seriously than we did. Yeah, those were gooood times.

Yes, well, ANYWAYS, if I did that with virtually no spare time, then we, with internet access and plenty of spare time (sayyyy, this Summer?) shouldn't have too much trouble building up 80 people. (well, techinically 75, but I would be really freaking scared if my arbitrary estimated turned out to be exact.)

Ohright, the whole thing with the 16. Out of the 75 True Illuminati, 50 will manage the managers. Yes, I know it's verrrry tedioius, but it isn't as repetitive as it seems. Y'know, 'cause we've got 600 people to do only do stuff like voting, convincing people to vote certain ways, sending out messages to ask people to sign up, (they might have to do it manually, since I don't know if Nationstates accepts that much automatic mailing) and having some fun with basic policy within the RPG-like structure. (not to say that we won't have more fun =D) Then, we have the 125 people who manage them, and send real messages to real people. So, they're doing something completely different and interacting regularly with one-third the number of people. Thus, it makes sense to have 50 people who can look at overall structure, and keep track of regions on an alphabetical basis, or nations on any given day's contest for "best/worst weather/auto industry/etc." Oh, and these people make more important policy decisions than the others; for instance, this is where they can do things like proposing changes to fouder-written policy, like this stuff I'm writing now. xD Oh, and I'll probably end up doing this, but if any of you 50 suuuuuuper awesome people are reading this, would you mind giving cool names to the unnamed social classes I've made up, like "middle class" or "Masons," only those already have names. Yeah, thanks. You guys rock! =D

17. This is where it gets to the highest or maybe second-highest level of sheer awesomeness. I've gotten the roles down to 25 PEOPLE. That's right, TWENTY FIVE! I have no idea why this is so funy, because we haven't even started yet. But, y'know how I just said the 50 people in level 16 get to propose integral policy changes? Well, those last 25 are ones that they make those proposals to. In addition to coming up with their own ideas, which will be as basic and integral as the ones I'm setting up, only probably more specific somehow, the group 17s will review suggestions from other members, which will sometimes be their own ideas, and sometimes from the group below them, and so on. This means that even if some random lower-class person (who doesn't actually exist due to the computer game-like aspects of NS) comes up with an idea, if the person he sends it to likes it, and the person who THAT person sends it to likes it, and so on, then eventually, it becomes policy. Of course, I'm not sure how a lower-class person would actually send an idea to anyone, but that's where the RPG elements come in. It's like we're creating our own forum game within NS, but because of the gameplay mechanics-based elements of our plan, we're also synergizing with the way it works, taking control in every way legally and humanly possible. Hopefully admins won't get ticked at us, because this is sounding reallly fun. I guess for good measure, we should try not to do too much as the Illuminati in other parts of the forums, since we only really need to influence stuff like UN voting, anyway. Oh, and no multis, so as to operate within the NS rules, and so as not to tarnish the overall Order's reputation.

Being part of group 17 will be a lot of work, but also give people a lot of power. Since less than 25 people have posted in this thread so far, I think it's fair that anyone who wants to will be allowed directly into our top tier as one of the initial founders. However, after the number exceeds 25, it might start getting hard to keep track of who wrote which policy, so some people will have to start recruiting group 16's, who will be closer to the RPG action anyway. From here, we will expand outwards, being more and more secretive as we do so. Eventually, we get to the Masons, who won't even know they're being governed. That might be because they aren't actualy players and don't exist, but y'know. They basically think that they're the rulers of the world. Oh, and then are are the real NS players who simply forget that they're signed up with us. xD

Anyways, it is among these 25 that we can have a true democracy. We can vote amongst ourselves if we disagree, or, if it's easier, talk an issue out until we agree. We can do lots of RPG stuff, too, especially early on, so that we can have a framework for the New World Order, then expand it and unfold it until it resembles my projections, at least in proportions. Y'know, with 17 groups and all. We don't even have 17 people yet, so that won't work out until later.

Okay, soooo, feedback please! =)

Well you certainly know your stuff and I agree an organisation such as this should have around 30 true Illuminati who can influence the world through working together. The rest would be pawn by these 30 to get a desired outcome.

Just know that who ever influences the world in ways against the Ancient order of the Black Agents. Know we will be their to kill your members and to see justice done.

The city of Yunik was a small city by standards on a primitive world especially by those of the Imperium. The might of the Imperium was awesome, it's reach and influence great yet for some reason one man traveled to this world but not any normal man he was an Inquisitor. His transporter beamed him to a discreet location near the factory. He was Inquisitor Goroth of the Ordo Malleus and it was his duty to safeguard the Imperium and now he was going to take yet another step in the process. He silently walked into the factory and waited with his hand resting on his Nemesis Force Sword........

OOC: Okay the RP hasn't truly started yet, my IC post just an introductin the idea. The Illuminati has not officially come into existence yet so how can you destroy that does not exist.

TBA - There could be a lot of work for your organisation in this and a lot of rewards. Even your organisation could gain the benefit of added power.

Dratheria - As I said before we haven't properly started. The Illuminati is said to have been wiped out 300 years ago and no one knows it is yet back. However later in the RP you may try this but it won;t be easy as sending in one man to kill the Illuminati and sending in a narmy or something too large can be seen as a international incident.


Hey, this is certainly an interesting idea/premise, and I would like to get involved.

However, I think it needs a little bit more fleshing out.

Excellent. Would you have any ideas on how to make this much more interesting?

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Originally Posted by Bertoffski
9. Okay, so that's 18 million people serving drinks. But what about the other 2 million? THIS is where people get to start knowing some of our secret knowledge, like I said they would before. Actually, this is where people get to start collecting knowledge... nothing too important, though. We need a group of researchers and scientists above the acolytes to study the cutting edges of technology, information, theoretical physics, astronomy, and, if we manage to discover it, the supernatural. We need lots of researchers, so we can devote 6% to the category. That's 1.2 million, by the way.

10. So, thinks like organization and research are set up, but we still need some of the 800,000 remaining people to actually make some decisions. 3.5% of the total order, or 700,000, would be legislators. Y'know, to figure out what should be done with collapsing bridges, what changes should be made to the educational system and the media, which corporations contribute most and should therefore be given the most funding, and so on. These people would operate in undisclosed locations, surrounded by high-level security systems, researchers, and acolytes. The legislators would also be the most separate from other members, since acolytes and researchers would have more to do with those above them than those below them.

11. Alright, now we've got 99.5% of 0.2% of a population making trivial decisions and keeping things organized. Society is functioning well, and no one who one who shouldn't is concerned with its future, or the secrets of the universe, for that matter. But what about the other 0.5% of 0.2%? (That's also 0.001% of the total population, or 100,000 people.) This is the place that all acolytes aspire to reach: the masons. The masons would aspire to reach even higher levels, of course, if they thought such levels existed. The masons are members of age-old orders which, in actuality, are now extinct. However, they take the names of the Knights' Templar, the Freemasons, and whatever those weird organizations in the Da Vinci Code were. The masons make up 70% of that 100,000 people, or 70,000 people. They are the ones who recieve the information discovered by researchers, and also who are attended to by the higher-level acolytes, who have their own hierarchy. The masons learn all of the teachings of their respective cults, all of which are part of the same system.

12. These percents are realllllly starting to confuse me, so I'm gonna switch to actual numbers of people now. Okay, so there's 30,000 left whose roles haven't yet been organized. Of these, 21,000 would simply be the highest members of the masonry groups- they would write the rules of the groups, organize the results of the conclusions drawn by the lower masons based on data collected by reasearchers, (whoah, look at the degrees of separation!) and attend high-level meetings and such to decide stuff in councils, which would probably have all sorts of fancy, important-looking rituals.

13. Now we're down to the last 9,000, who live and work away from the top-secret, closely guarded meeting places of the masons and higher masons in super-top-secret, super-closely guarded locations. Rather than take risks such as associating directly with the lower members, they analyze the information collected by researchers and masons via the computer system, which they can easily hack into, having built it. If someone dangerous needs to be 'taken care of,' then the task is given to someone of the same or lesser social status as the person in question. However, it is the directors who decide how, why, and whether someone has to be assassinated. They also make sure the legislators are on-task and attend only to trivial matters, which are therefore important to them. Obviously, 9,000 is a big number, but this is the first stage at which the offices in question are essentially filled by "us." Like, I know there aren't 9,000 of us, but that might be the number of actual NS players directly connected to the Ilumcabinet eventually. 8,200 of these would be overseen by the other 800, and have their own, less rigidly defined hierarchy amongst themselves. In practical terms, these would be the people who were "signed on" with us, but didn't really do a whole lot. Controlling them would therefore be the difficult part, but if need be, I can later edit this post so that it doesn't include the word "controlling," or this sentence. These casual members would be bureaucratically governed by the reeeeeeal "us," who, as I have mentioned, would number 800.

14. Out of the top 800, we need policy-makers and such to keep track of the other 8,200. If there were only 100 of these people, then each would have to consisently keep tabs on 82 NS accounts. This would be somewhat difficult to convince a hundred people to do. However, 600 people would have to keep track of only 14 accounts. (Whoah, this is level 14 of the hierarchy, and I didn't even set it up that way on purpose! ) Imagine only getting 14 emails a day... Alright, so that might be more than some of you usually get, but it's still not thaaaat big of a deal. Okay, so that's plenty of capability for keeping our actual written policy in place, and expanding our actual power base, (for example, voting for and convincing people to vote for the UN decisons that we decide on, if that's legal in NS) but we still need leadership. The highest tier (containing the highest social classes) will have about 200 people in it.

15. Of these 200 people, 125 will manage the 600 to make sure that they're keeping up with the schedule and accomplishing their goal. Unlike the lower groups, such as the masons, our high-level policy-makers will have a decent chance of ascending to our level, especially as some of our number inevitably get bored and leave. Also, the 125:600 ratio means that each of our managers will only have 4 or 5 people to keep on track during our conquest, meaning that we will likely be very efficient and therefore successful in our endeavors. Of course, those keeping track of 5 people will have to do a lot more work per person than those keeping track of 14 or so accounts. (For instance, higher members will have to write and send four or five times as many messages than lower ones.) The total work will be higher for the higher-class people, as well, simply because it's a good idea to give more work per person to the fairly small group of people who have the more interest than the majority who will not rise as high in the ranks of the Order.

16. Okay, so with only 800 people doing any actual governing, (that is to say, they definitely KNOW that they're in the Order, and didn't just sign up for it, then forget) this stuff is starting to look somewhere between realistic and optimistic, though as we've just started off, it's safer to say that it leans towards overly optimisitc. In any case, I've gotten down to the top 75 people in the hierarchy- probably less than the number of people that any one of you knows or has known personally, and could name. Of course, meeting people will be an important part of this, too. =D

These top 75 will be the TRUE Illuminati. SO true, in fact, that I actually bothered to spell the word correctly. Y'know how I've used the word "us" as part of describing the extreme power of groups several times now? Yeah, well, this 75 will really, REALLY be us.

Look at it this way: I used to go to this school which I'm absolutely postive assigns more homework than any other high school or junior high or elementary or whatever in the state. In my spare time, I managed to found, write about 20 pages for and about, build, and manage a pseudo-cult of over 20 people. I mean, not all of them were as entusiastic about it as me, but I gotta say it went pretty well overall. Oh, and we waged war against opposing cults by flailing our hand like sissies, and still managed to win just because the opposition took themselves even less seriously than we did. Yeah, those were gooood times.

Yes, well, ANYWAYS, if I did that with virtually no spare time, then we, with internet access and plenty of spare time (sayyyy, this Summer?) shouldn't have too much trouble building up 80 people. (well, techinically 75, but I would be really freaking scared if my arbitrary estimated turned out to be exact.)

Ohright, the whole thing with the 16. Out of the 75 True Illuminati, 50 will manage the managers. Yes, I know it's verrrry tedioius, but it isn't as repetitive as it seems. Y'know, 'cause we've got 600 people to do only do stuff like voting, convincing people to vote certain ways, sending out messages to ask people to sign up, (they might have to do it manually, since I don't know if Nationstates accepts that much automatic mailing) and having some fun with basic policy within the RPG-like structure. (not to say that we won't have more fun =D) Then, we have the 125 people who manage them, and send real messages to real people. So, they're doing something completely different and interacting regularly with one-third the number of people. Thus, it makes sense to have 50 people who can look at overall structure, and keep track of regions on an alphabetical basis, or nations on any given day's contest for "best/worst weather/auto industry/etc." Oh, and these people make more important policy decisions than the others; for instance, this is where they can do things like proposing changes to fouder-written policy, like this stuff I'm writing now. xD Oh, and I'll probably end up doing this, but if any of you 50 suuuuuuper awesome people are reading this, would you mind giving cool names to the unnamed social classes I've made up, like "middle class" or "Masons," only those already have names. Yeah, thanks. You guys rock! =D

17. This is where it gets to the highest or maybe second-highest level of sheer awesomeness. I've gotten the roles down to 25 PEOPLE. That's right, TWENTY FIVE! I have no idea why this is so funy, because we haven't even started yet. But, y'know how I just said the 50 people in level 16 get to propose integral policy changes? Well, those last 25 are ones that they make those proposals to. In addition to coming up with their own ideas, which will be as basic and integral as the ones I'm setting up, only probably more specific somehow, the group 17s will review suggestions from other members, which will sometimes be their own ideas, and sometimes from the group below them, and so on. This means that even if some random lower-class person (who doesn't actually exist due to the computer game-like aspects of NS) comes up with an idea, if the person he sends it to likes it, and the person who THAT person sends it to likes it, and so on, then eventually, it becomes policy. Of course, I'm not sure how a lower-class person would actually send an idea to anyone, but that's where the RPG elements come in. It's like we're creating our own forum game within NS, but because of the gameplay mechanics-based elements of our plan, we're also synergizing with the way it works, taking control in every way legally and humanly possible. Hopefully admins won't get ticked at us, because this is sounding reallly fun. I guess for good measure, we should try not to do too much as the Illuminati in other parts of the forums, since we only really need to influence stuff like UN voting, anyway. Oh, and no multis, so as to operate within the NS rules, and so as not to tarnish the overall Order's reputation.

Being part of group 17 will be a lot of work, but also give people a lot of power. Since less than 25 people have posted in this thread so far, I think it's fair that anyone who wants to will be allowed directly into our top tier as one of the initial founders. However, after the number exceeds 25, it might start getting hard to keep track of who wrote which policy, so some people will have to start recruiting group 16's, who will be closer to the RPG action anyway. From here, we will expand outwards, being more and more secretive as we do so. Eventually, we get to the Masons, who won't even know they're being governed. That might be because they aren't actualy players and don't exist, but y'know. They basically think that they're the rulers of the world. Oh, and then are are the real NS players who simply forget that they're signed up with us. xD

Anyways, it is among these 25 that we can have a true democracy. We can vote amongst ourselves if we disagree, or, if it's easier, talk an issue out until we agree. We can do lots of RPG stuff, too, especially early on, so that we can have a framework for the New World Order, then expand it and unfold it until it resembles my projections, at least in proportions. Y'know, with 17 groups and all. We don't even have 17 people yet, so that won't work out until later.

Okay, soooo, feedback please! =)

Nice. ^^

Well you certainly know your stuff and I agree an organisation such as this should have around 30 true Illuminati who can influence the world through working together. The rest would be pawn by these 30 to get a desired outcome.


To prevent the whole thing becoming too bureacratic and unmanageable should we only have a set number of people making the top decisions in the organisation? I even think 15 people with 2 characters each will prove to be excessive and limit our reaction time. What are your thoughts on the matter?

Nice. ^^



To prevent the whole thing becoming too bureacratic and unmanageable should we only have a set number of people making the top decisions in the organisation? I even think 15 people with 2 characters each will prove to be excessive and limit our reaction time. What are your thoughts on the matter?


Also a valid point. If we say cut down the members to an elite few then this could gain more power. Allows for a more fluid movement of the RP and also allows me to personally show how much I hate the Bureaucracy :)

Also a valid point. If we say cut down the members to an elite few then this could gain more power. Allows for a more fluid movement of the RP and also allows me to personally show how much I hate the Bureaucracy :)

How would the elite few be decided?

How would the elite few be decided?

Only six people have signed-up prior to this post.

We could work something out based on this number?

Perhaps two inner circles of three Nations, working in tandem but independantly? Each could have set jurisdictions, or be more free depending on what we decide.

Regardless, I think it's a given that Londim is in the inner-circle. Maybe even controlling the Grand Master post in order to unify the organisation if required?

OOC this RP looks awsome! Can i join?

OOC: The Black agents have a second personality called Rogutis Agentie. One who opposes the Agency.





From: Aegies - Founder of the Rogutis Agentie
To: The Illuminati Directive

We have read about your organization. Many stories of your plans and pass failed attempts. The agency has given you their promise. A promise they have never unfulfilled. This will present a problem for you as I have been at war with the agency for many years now. The agency has been around for about 99% of the world history, Perfecting what they are, and who they are. The agency only kills those who are deemed nessesary to save world stability and peace . IE- dictators, mass murderers, ETC... But I am sure what you will be doing they will deem you all worthy of assassination. We can help you against them. We can train your people so that they stand against and agent. But this will take time. If you accept of course.

How would the elite few be decided?

Well if each of you create a character with in depth details of said character I will make a decision. Those not in the Inner Circle would still have power and can advise the inner circle on what steps to take. However all the Outer Circles actions will be monitored and actions taken to make sure they do what is needed.

Only six people have signed-up prior to this post.

We could work something out based on this number?

Perhaps two inner circles of three Nations, working in tandem but independantly? Each could have set jurisdictions, or be more free depending on what we decide.

Regardless, I think it's a given that Londim is in the inner-circle. Maybe even controlling the Grand Master post in order to unify the organisation if required?

Good option. We'll let the others discuss the idea as well then continue.

OOC this RP looks awsome! Can i join?

Welcome aboard.

OOC: The Black agents have a second personality called Rogutis Agentie. One who opposes the Agency.





From: Aegies - Founder of the Rogutis Agentie
To: The Illuminati Directive

We have read about your organization. Many stories of your plans and pass failed attempts. The agency has given you their promise. A promise they have never unfulfilled. This will present a problem for you as I have been at war with the agency for many years now. The agency has been around for about 99% of the world history, Perfecting what they are, and who they are. The agency only kills those who are deemed nessesary to save world stability and peace . IE- dictators, mass murderers, ETC... But I am sure what you will be doing they will deem you all worthy of assassination. We can help you against them. We can train your people so that they stand against and agent. But this will take time. If you accept of course.

OOC: Will be replied to later on.

Do you want the in depth details now or later?

Do you want the in depth details now or later?

Whenever you have some spare time over the next few days. I'm not in a big rush.

OOC: One quick question. The title of your thread says open all tech. How would the Illuminati be present in FT, and how could FT get involved in this thread, as it seems that mostly MT or PMT has signed up?

OOC: One quick question. The title of your thread says open all tech. How would the Illuminati be present in FT, and how could FT get involved in this thread, as it seems that mostly MT or PMT has signed up?

-OOC-
FT can quite easily influence MT activities with the right methods. FT, though, is hard to influence even with FT methods. Homogeneous actors upon your stage leads to an easily executed script.

I'd sign up on FT, but I'm heavily isolationist (read as: keep vanishing) so I'm not sure how well that would work.

Yes but also the whole Ft does not interfere with MT "rule" also comes to mind. I must say though this thread looks very interesting.

OOC: One quick question. The title of your thread says open all tech. How would the Illuminati be present in FT, and how could FT get involved in this thread, as it seems that mostly MT or PMT has signed up?

OOC: The Illuminati seek to influence all life and for all life to be influenced all time periods need to be influenced. If enough FT nations signed up then we'd have an FT Illuminati who would influence FT events. Same with PT. The Inner Circle would not be affected by these time gaps as the leaders of each sect would meet together to decide what actions would be taken. Or each Tech would have its own Inner Circle to decide what happened.

Yes but also the whole Ft does not interfere with MT "rule" also comes to mind. I must say though this thread looks very interesting.

-OOC-

Actually, the concept of defenders perogative outweighs that "rule" and the whole fractal reality thing makes things a bit more possible.

Basically, low-key stuff that wouldn't be noticable beyond secret IC stuff.


But seperate groups... That might work, but the inherent problems in influencing FT still stand.

I'll have my character from that rich club RP be a member. His name is Adrian Lazaer and he is secretly the Alpha (Leader) of the Wolf Pack terrorist group, whose goal is a united world free of strife between nations.

An additional idea would be that for the Illuminati, if we wanted we could have an ideological split eventually, which would be good for a series of RP's about conflicts and what not being influenced by the two sides.

A final note, just for fun, could the Inner Council have roman numeral names for fun? Like the first one would be I, the second would II, etc. There is no real reason for this other than I think it would be cool and I've always wanted to be in a secret society like that.

First note, I haven't read Bertoffski's suggestions, but I understand them to be more of a proposal of what the New World Order will look like after it is accomplished as opposed to the means to that end (and thus I will set it aside for now).

Excellent. Would you have any ideas on how to make this much more interesting?

Well, my understanding of the NWO/Illuminati conspiracy theory is that there are people in powerful positions around the world who secretly manipulate world affairs (in whatever means) to the ends of creating this New World Order.

That is, not as I saw in someone's post, having a council or two manipulating one or two countries. Instead it is just a group of powerful individuals that work towards the NWO however they can. They could be anything: a leader of a nation, a business mogul, a general, a special forces commander, a religious leader... whatever. The only thing they have in common is that they have someway to influence the world. I think quite often you would see these people just working in the government or military in some fashion (not even the top guys, just people who can access/intercept information and make at least some decisions).

Now, what does that exactly mean, "influence the world." Well, that could mean starting a war to devastate a couple of alliances, increasing the economic power of a certain company, assassinating a troublesome leader, gaining mass converts to a religion, releasing a massive virus (health wise or computer wise), developing powerful technology/weapons, etc.

However, in the end, there needs to be one solid plan on how to overthrow the governments of the world and institute the NWO. Usually this would require the support of either the people of the world or the best military forces.

To prevent the whole thing becoming too bureacratic and unmanageable should we only have a set number of people making the top decisions in the organisation? I even think 15 people with 2 characters each will prove to be excessive and limit our reaction time. What are your thoughts on the matter?

Sure, we could develop some system in which a small council (perhaps only three people) oversees all of the Illuminati's operations. This would leave everyone else to go about their business foreshadowing the rise of the NWO.

30 people, however, would be much to massive. The council should be small.

An additional idea would be that for the Illuminati, if we wanted we could have an ideological split eventually, which would be good for a series of RP's about conflicts and what not being influenced by the two sides.

I like the idea, if not for now, at least for later. This split could be anything from what exactly the NWO will be or how to achieve those ends.

Additionally, if we want a quick opening RP to introduce the Illuminati, we can have someone (most likely the head guy) signaling the others (whatever the signal is) and then have them all gather somewhere secret.

[This is just me rambling... needs more thought.]

I agree with DMG, the idea of a group of random people influencing the world would be difficult to implement.
The idea of people already in power trying to gain more power is, I think, a much more interesting proposal.
It would not be at Government level obviously

I agree with DMG, the idea of a group of random people influencing the world would be difficult to implement.
The idea of people already in power trying to gain more power is, I think, a much more interesting proposal.
It would not be at Government level obviously

Lolll, is second thing a reference to my proposal? I was just rambling and coming up with random stuff, but thanks, I guess. xD

Oh, and a lot of the stuff you guys are talking about is confusing. As my post count will tell you, I'm a total noob to the NS forums, and I'm hearing a lot of acronyms that I don't understand. To be honest, although I could probably look them up quickly enough, I'd probably get distracted along the way, and go get some ice water, then come back, forget what I was doing and start IMing people. xD

...Oh, but I think I get the deal where you say "RP" instead of "RPG." That essentially makes sense.

Oh, hey, and could people please quote my hierarchy proposal when you're saying stuff about it? It's confusing to think, "oh, that sounds like something that I haven't heard before... no, wait, that sounds like something I wrote," or "oh, that sounds like it came from my proposal. No, nevermind, it sounds like some other RP that I've never seen." I know I'm not using quotes to explain which people I'm talking about, which is kinda hypocritical, but the main reason for that is the fact that the whole copy/quote/copy/quote thing got reallllllly confusing after a while, even though I figured out what I was supposed to do.

Lastly but not leastly, I have nooo idea if I'm signed up for this thing. I'm gonna check to find out after I post this, but if I'm not signed up, please sign me up! Kaythanx,

-Bertoffski

Yes, by "RP" we probably mean what you think of as an "RPG." The distinction comes in that NationStates itself is the Role Playing Game, while each of our individual threads/stories are Role Plays (RPs).

Ask about any others you are confused about.

Bertoffski What sort of acronyms are you confused about?

I think that a central group would be good enough, if there are a certain amount of members in it. One per nation sounds good.
I wouldn't be so sure about a proposal of a greater and lesser council but a left-wing and right-wing element does sound like a good idea. Direct Competition against each other in some cases, perhaps?

My idea was basically:

Grand Master [Londim]
Serves as overall leader and unifying force for organisation. Decides overall policy, what our aims are, etc. Also serves as rallying point if something needs done urgently.

Archlord [DMG, Bertoffski, Alversia, Kasara, Lifesblood]
Work out how best to implement ideas, work out who to damage, rough plans, etc.

Lords
X number of members, people in power [Eg: Politicians, Mafia members, Secret Service Personnel, Religious leaders, etc.] who undertake specific tasks of importance in order to allow the orchestration of Illuminati plans.

Etc., running down the ranks, which can remain unspecified or not, it's of little consequence, I imagine.

I was thinking two Inner Circles [Or Governing Councils, etc.], one presided over by Londim, another by DMG. [Who would be in a first-among-equals position]. One circle would contain DMG and two other Archlords, another Londim and two Archlords.

These two Circles could each be given jurisdictions over certain areas. Either by each Circle governing a number of different enterprises [Eg: Drugs trade, Nations of a particular ideology, revolutions, anti-revoloutionary, etc.]
Or by, which might prove to be a more effective method, each Circle doing whatever they feel would best benefit the organisation, regardless of other factors.

I've rambled alot, but I've tried to clarify my rough idea. Of course it could be easily changed, and I'm open to suggestions/criticism.

Note: Londim and DMG were chosen due to their experience, I'm not meaning to slight anybody else.

Edit: I missed out Kulikovia, sorry man.

Interesting ideas.

What I think we need most right now is an ideology for the group and a basic plan of how to get to the NWO.

End game is probably something along the lines of revolutions in many countries (big and small) bringing them under our thumb (be it covertly or overtly).

Yes the Ideology for which your group can rally under. Like mine are:

The Black Agents: To protect the helpless, to ensure world stability and value all human life.

The Rogutis Agentie: To use their power from what they have learn to ensure personnel fortune and status. The Rogutis do not value human life and kill who they will to ensure success of the Rogutis Agentie.

Uh, I kind of skimmed it because I am trying to start studying for finals, but most of it looked good.

A couple of notes on it:
I) Ignore anything dealing with the UN
II) Regions, are generally, not that important... stick to dominating RPing
III) Titles are obviously cool
IV) Obviously we aren't going to be going to take over the entire NS World or even most of it... let's think reasonably for now.
V) I could create a private offboard forum for our discussions.

By the way... sweet?

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b15/truthteller/illuminati.gif

Not our official (secret) logo (I got others for that), but still cool.

OOC: I might be participating, I don't know yet. The Illuminati really fit into the storyline of my RP Ride the Lightning (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=448866). They're the driving force behind the "revolution" and are being driven by none other than Majestic. Just curious here, I hope the Freemasons won't be displayed in a stereotypical negative connotation that they've been given by anti-Masonry groups.

OOC You mistake his intentions if you ever read the Inquisition War the Inquisitors of the Ordo Malleus knew many things that many did not have the privilege to know that those inquisitors know. Many ok their leaders and heroes were key members of their own Illuminati whose goal was to save the Imperium. he is there to join.

Right I'm seeing lots of interesting ideas and Bertoffski you're in :). Right I'm looking at the ideas and I am thinking along lines with Lifesblood layout but only with one Inncer Circle with the rest of the group going out from there. Before anything else is decided this Inncer Circle needs to be set up and then the Outer Circles following that. Once a hierarchy is set we'll need guidelines on the Illuminati.

This phase is the first bit that nees doing before we go onto the next phases as it were.

Right I'm seeing lots of interesting ideas and Bertoffski you're in . Right I'm looking at the ideas and I am thinking along lines with Lifesblood layout but only with one Inncer Circle with the rest of the group going out from there. Before anything else is decided this Inncer Circle needs to be set up and then the Outer Circles following that. Once a hierarchy is set we'll need guidelines on the Illuminati.

This phase is the first bit that nees doing before we go onto the next phases as it were.

Personally I feel that Londim and DMG should definitely be in the Inner Circle.

Obviously, I'd like to be in as well, but I understand that might not be an option.

How do we decide who's in the Inner Circle?

I'm thinking we could have seven Inner Councillors, since seven is a special number and all. You guys already have cooler names than mine, so maybe use those. =D

There would be a Lead Councillor, like Londim, who would oversee the others and ask for reports on their respective fields in order to effectively regulate the New World Order, and hold the council together under one banner. That's pretty dang important.

Early on, with less tasks than we'll eventually have, the other councillors won't have much to do. They won't have any lesser Illuminati members to govern, since we only have six people right now, and all would therefore be councillors according to this system. Basically, we'd keep expanding with as little emphasis on rank as possible early on, then start subdividing as necessary. For instance, we wouldn't just demote the eigth member to join, then boss him or her around with seven councillors. Instead, Londim might eventually rule over three councillors, who ruled over six arbiters or whatever. Then, as more people joined, more councillors would be necessary to govern the poplulace, and would therefore be carefully chosen from our existing roster, or just from someone cool who might be interested in joining us.

Oh, and as far as the other councillors' jobs go, we'd need at least one to write up frameworks, guildelines, rules, et caetara, et caetara, according to the whims of Londim, of course. I nominate myself for the position of Scribe Councillor. :D

Next, we'd need someone to come up with shorter, simpler, more alert info about where we're headed, not to mention what the heck is going on if something confusing happens. xD I suggest Lifeblood for Internal Information Councillor, mostly because of those posts that looked really objective and sensible. =)

Oh, and it'd also be helpful to have someone keeping tabs on the enemies that we've ALREADY acquired. :eek: I believe Alversia would be our best bet here. I don't remember why, though, so you might want to change that idea in particular, though I guess all my ideas tend to have at least some arbitrarity to them. Then again, how else would be I be suitable for writing a lot on a regular basis, hmm? :D Oh yeah, so Alversia would be the External Information Councillor. That means keeping tabs on neutral or allied gropus in addition to the Black Agents. x.x

...Oh yeah, and even with a Lead Councillor generally telling us what to do, there's bound to be some conflict between our interests, so we need an Internal Affairs Councillor. It'd be sort of like being the Scribe or Internal Information Councillor, but less about creating and analyzing, and more about resolving and compromising. I'm thinking DMG would be a good, objective choice here.

Yeah, and once we have these councillors doing and delegating their work, we need someone to govern the lower levels of the Order, in order to keep them in check, and to keep them keeping others in check. I think Dratheria would be good for Overseer Councillor, not to be confused with the Lead Councillor, who would be Londim.

Oh, and everyone's going to be RPing at some point, including Londim, who has started doing so already. xD Still, we need an RP Councillor to keep the RPing cohesive and making sense and all that. I'm thinking Layarteb here, because of expressing an RP-related interest in our Illuminati group.

Soooo, there's my Councillor idears! =D TADAAAAAAAA!

-Bertoffski

Interesting idea. Why would Alversia be good at keeping tabs on the enemies of the Society? If such a post were to be created then every member would need to post their allies and enemies as well as nations to watch out for. It would take alot of effort to make it happen

If such a post were to be created then every member would need to post their allies and enemies as well as nations to watch out for. It would take alot of effort to make it happen

I'm sorry, but this post seems to be to infer a bit of confusion on your part still (though perhaps I am wrong).

Currently, and really until the establishment of the NWO, there are no "Illuminati nations," or what have you. There are only people in positions of power that attempt to pull at the strings of nations, corporations, militaries, etc. Thus, we, as individuals and nations, don't have enemies or allies that will be transfered over to the Illuminati. Our enemies and allies will arise in direct reference to this group.

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@Bertoffski: Most of that sounds pretty good to me (at least the posts, if not who is who). However, the Overseer Councilor seems a bit strange to me as the Council itself supposedly oversees the lower ranks of Illuminati. Not really sure about the Internal Affairs positions either - perhaps you could give me an example of what that position might do. And the RPing councilor sounds more like an OOC position to me...

(Oh, and I will second your own nomination for being scribe councilor)

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@All: Just a couple of ideas/thoughts...

1) We need both an OOC and IC way of recruiting more members (both RPers and characters, respectively). I suggest we begin directly contacting nations and asking if they would like to participate with a character or if we can have an Illuminati character (controlled by someone here) in their ranks (be it government, military, etc.). Then we can begin RPing little things like having a government official in Nation X giving us classified info or whatever. Also, our characters (like the high up ones on the Councils) may want to begin creating a ring of other characters to support them. Remember, there is nothing saying that you can only have one character... you can have ten people from your country in or joining the Illuminati.

2) Anyone have thoughts on a secret paramilitary force of some kind? Do we want small hit squads we can call on for jobs? Do we want a security force? Do we want to begin bringing already established units from national military into the fold? Do we want to contract out our military/security needs? Do we want none of it...?

3) Secret HQ... every group needs one. Secret societies have to have a secret headquarters... most likely in the depths of a church or something, where it is very dark, and all that is there is a round table and some torches. :p Anywho... we need one.

4) Do we want an offsite forum or not?

Sorry about my last post. I got mixed up between nations and individuals. What I meant was when this Organisation is up and running, then members may need to provide a list of nations that could be manipluated for personal gain.

1.) If the Society is to work then it will need more members, but how do we pick how to ask? or is it just random?

2.) A paramilitary force sounds good. Maybe a team just to light the fuse of a particular conflict or to provoke action from one nation to another. But it would need to be discreet and small in scale. Maybe a group to protect the high ranking members would be good as well.

3.) The ideal place for a secret HQ would be an obvious place where no one would think to look. Maybe in a tower-block or some remote village. I like the idea of a round table and torches though :D

4.) An external forum would be a good place to discuss matters in private. If a nation that was involved in a scheme were to get wind of the organisations involvement then it would not be pretty. For the nation involved or the Society in general.

@All: Just a couple of ideas/thoughts...

1) We need both an OOC and IC way of recruiting more members (both RPers and characters, respectively). I suggest we begin directly contacting nations and asking if they would like to participate with a character or if we can have an Illuminati character (controlled by someone here) in their ranks (be it government, military, etc.). Then we can begin RPing little things like having a government official in Nation X giving us classified info or whatever. Also, our characters (like the high up ones on the Councils) may want to begin creating a ring of other characters to support them. Remember, there is nothing saying that you can only have one character... you can have ten people from your country in or joining the Illuminati.

This could be done as long as nations are alright with it. But if each person has to may characters then things would get out of hand pretty quickly so there may need to be a limit on the number of characters a person has.

2) Anyone have thoughts on a secret paramilitary force of some kind? Do we want small hit squads we can call on for jobs? Do we want a security force? Do we want to begin bringing already established units from national military into the fold? Do we want to contract out our military/security needs? Do we want none of it...?

The Illuminati would need such a group and I'm thinking we delegate this power out to a small group that already exists. Once the Iluminati gains more power then we can get our own small force.

3) Secret HQ... every group needs one. Secret societies have to have a secret headquarters... most likely in the depths of a church or something, where it is very dark, and all that is there is a round table and some torches. :p Anywho... we need one.

Agreed. The factory I stated in my IC post could be a starting point but we move to a new location for security reasons.

4) Do we want an offsite forum or not?

This could be a good idea once we start infiltrating lots of nations and such. Be a nice place to keep an order of things and also to review any possible applicants in future.

1) We pick whoever we want... though obviously those that are of some importance would be best. No real reason to attempt to manipulate a nation that is not at all active on the forums. After that, it is just whoever agrees.

By ten characters I was of course exaggerating immensely. But still, there is no reason why we couldn't have our high-honcho characters and then one or two in lower positions (hell, I could have a guy in Bertoffski's government).

1) We pick whoever we want... though obviously those that are of some importance would be best. No real reason to attempt to manipulate a nation that is not at all active on the forums. After that, it is just whoever agrees.

That sounds like a good way of asking people to join, but it seems like it'd be easier if we had people wanting to join us, thereby forcing us to form a more complex social structure. Of course, since this would involve action on the part of outsiders, they're the ones who would proactively join us, rather than us trying to add them to our ranks. Therefore, it's kind of hard to do something about that sorta thing...

Oh, but I know tons of people who'd probably want to join, if they also wanted to sign up for NS accounts in the first place. xD I'll work on getting those people into our ranks.

-Bertoffski

Yeah, the proactive thing is a bit of a problem... notice how that's what this thread was and it only got the six of us.

As for getting people outside of NS... we really need people already established here to join.

This is catching on well so count me in and speaking of a paramilitary force, that's my speciality :). The way I do it in my RP is that the Illuminati have a merc-type force called the Ghost Warriors who are very adept at causing chaos when need be, especially in my country :).

Also if we need reliable off-site boards I have a phpBB message board set up on my site that is available (see forums in sig).

I nominate myself for the position of Scribe Councillor.

If this is the system we're 'gonna employ, I third. ^^

As for getting people outside of NS... we really need people already established here to join.

A small tight-knit, cohesive group of roleplayers will work well. Provided we have enough members to skim through the threads for international events and to actually roleplay the organisation effectively, it should be ok, I think.

What do you think?

Yeah, the proactive thing is a bit of a problem... notice how that's what this thread was and it only got the six of us.

As our reputation increases I reckon' we'll get more people wanting to sign up, maybe even copycat organisations if we're good enough. I think it's important to establish a good roleplaying image, that way people will be more open to our suggestions.

1) We need both an OOC and IC way of recruiting more members (both RPers and characters, respectively). I suggest we begin directly contacting nations and asking if they would like to participate with a character or if we can have an Illuminati character (controlled by someone here) in their ranks (be it government, military, etc.). Then we can begin RPing little things like having a government official in Nation X giving us classified info or whatever. Also, our characters (like the high up ones on the Councils) may want to begin creating a ring of other characters to support them. Remember, there is nothing saying that you can only have one character... you can have ten people from your country in or joining the Illuminati.

I agree. Also, I think the highest echelons of the Illuminati will just be glorified OoC, who may also serve some roleplay purpose, as they're mainly to do with direction of the organisation, which is basically derived from us personally.

2) Anyone have thoughts on a secret paramilitary force of some kind? Do we want small hit squads we can call on for jobs? Do we want a security force? Do we want to begin bringing already established units from national military into the fold? Do we want to contract out our military/security needs? Do we want none of it...?

I think a large amount of our actual combat work, especially the illegal, should be carried out by mercenary operations, this should help reduce Illuminati members liability if people get suspicious, or if something goes wrong. It'll also mean our members can deny connection with the act.

However, I do think we should have an Illuminati force. Seeing as only the higher levels know exactly what is going on, we could ensnare members [IC] with ideology. If you look at all the corruption and death in the NS world, it's a veritable treasure-chest of imperfections. If we make them believe that the Illuminati [Or whatever name we tell the members] is the guiding light, trying to bring order and balance to a chaotic wold full of misery, then we could cultivate fanatics.

With Illuminati connections we could get them some training and/or arms. People could disappear off the grid, only to return as nameless corpses from some terrorist strike-team which was gunned down after assassinating a government official.

3) Secret HQ... every group needs one. Secret societies have to have a secret headquarters... most likely in the depths of a church or something, where it is very dark, and all that is there is a round table and some torches. Anywho... we need one.

We could just meet in buildings rented under a corporate name, or something? However if you were angling for the dramatic, we could enquire as to available places? Having headquarters in a non-member Nation might be good, as it prevents conflict-of-interest and sets up for some government agency scenarios?

4) Do we want an offsite forum or not?

It'd be cool to have one. But I think we should wait 'till we've hammered out the organisation, etc.

As always, open to suggestions and criticism.

I agree about the tight-knit group of RPers (and I like the bunch we have now), however, by the very nature of the organization we need (at some point) a vast conspiracy of members in nations around the world. Now, that doesn't necessarily mean lots of RPers, just that we need lots of characters (eventually).

We can't exactly get involved in a war between two nations that we have no members involved in... (unless we want to implicate the countries we do have members in that were not originally involved in the incident).

Sorry if I'm not making sense right now...

I agree about the tight-knit group of RPers (and I like the bunch we have now), however, by the very nature of the organization we need (at some point) a vast conspiracy of members in nations around the world. Now, that doesn't necessarily mean lots of RPers, just that we need lots of characters (eventually).

We can't exactly get involved in a war between two nations that we have no members involved in... (unless we want to implicate the countries we do have members in that were not originally involved in the incident).

Sorry if I'm not making sense right now...

Yeah, once we've worked out the dynamics, and the functions of the organisation I agree we should campaign for Nations interested in having Illuminati members covertly within their ranks. The members themselves don't need to necesarily be specified, but the level of infiltration could perhaps be generally agreed upon.

Although, I imagine some Nations would be more lenient than others in relation to us randomly asking at the beginning of a conflict if Illuminati members can have been preexisting in their Nation.

So... this is a bunch of talk... are we going to get something going?

I made up a message to send to people who we want to join our ranks:

I represent a recently founded organization within the forums that calls itself "the Illuminati." I was suprised to find that NS didn't have something like them before, but whatever. Normally, we'd be trying to convince random people to join as acolytes, but as we currently number very few, anyone who joins will become an instant member of the High Council. Once the Council holds a confusing number of people, new recruits will take lower offices, as the Inner Circle retreats into obscure secrecy, preparing to hoard secrets and govern others from afar. Our eventual goal is world domination, but I don't really know how well that's gonna work out. So, reply if you're interested in joining, and I'll send you the link to the thread. Thanks!

-Bertoffski

...Obviously, you could replace my name with yours, and make the stuff a little less rambling, but that's basically the idea. I dunno if I should've done this, but I sent a copy of that to the Al Pocalypse nation or whatever, as a prize for winning today's contest. =D

-Bertoffski

Obviously, you could replace my name with an ICB- wait, I'm getting deja vu here. NEVERMIND!

-Bertoffski

There are a few things I would change in it.
1) Give a little more info on exactly what we are
2) Take out the stuff where you appear to be chatting (like I was surprised to...)

And about everyone joining the High Council... how many members are we willing to let onto the High Council... because there is some point where it will become to big and there is some point where the next person to join will have to enter in the lower rank (be it now or after another ten people).

OOC: This sounds very interesting, and I'd like to have a member of Lorkhan's high command join.

Sounds good to me... you're in.

Right I think we're all agreed the Inner Circle should hold 3 members yes? The outer circle should in my opinion hold 9 members, odd numbers so issues voted on hit no stalemate. From there on each Outer Circle member will be given a situation to deal with with guidance from an Inner Circle member so 3 Outer Circles to 1 Inner Circle. From there on members that join after will be in the lower ranks.

Though I've just jumped on the bandwagon, I figured I'd share some input.

I like the idea of the Inner Circle and the Outer Circle, and the two should compose the High Council.

Three members of the Inner Circle, and seven members of the Outer Circle so that there are only ten members in the High Council. Even though 12 obviously isn't a whole lot more than 10, it's still two more that can clutter too soon. As more join, and more members show dedication to the cause IC and help contribute OOC, we expand the council and promote members from the Outer Circle to the Inner Circle with each expansion.

The ten members of the High Council, as Londim put it, can represent a certain area/duty that the Illuminati is attempting to control, similar to the executive branch of most governments. An executive minister for business, military, entertainment, ecological, criminal elements, judicial courts, etc etc. The Inner Circle will instruct the members what their goals are in their particular jurisdiction, and the ministers carry things out from there.

Members that join in afterward serve as lower ranks, extensions of the High Council's power and will. Mercenary organizations and puppet governments and/or corporations are an example of this, the latter being especially common in the NSWorld.

Thoughts?

I'll join, if that's OK. I'm trying to get involved with NS on a regular basis again and this RP sounds like fun. One thing I would suggest however, is that to avoid someone screaming God-Mode as many people are apt to do here cause everyone seems to think that their nation is completely secure, we should pick out specific nations that we wish to infiltrate and clear it with them OOCly and then have a short RP about our agents infiltrating their nation. This is just to cover our backs, because we can't use OOC threads to influence out decisions ICly, but if we have someone on the inside then it makes much more sense that we know what's going on.

Did I make it clear that the Imperium wishes to join the Illuminati and that is why Inquisitor Goroth is there

Yes I agree. Where do I fit into the equation? Me is very interested.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/MasonicEyeOfProvidence.gif

Which is actually a freemason symbol :).

Did I make it clear that the Imperium wishes to join the Illuminati and that is why Inquisitor Goroth is there

Ahh with the sword and all I thought you were there to kill my character. Just got confused. Welcome to the Illuminati

Yes I agree. Where do I fit into the equation? Me is very interested.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/de/MasonicEyeOfProvidence.gif

Which is actually a freemason symbol :).


Well let me list everyone we have at the moment:

Londim
DMG
Layarteb
Bertoffski
Alversia
Dratheria
Beta Aurigae VII
Lorkhan
Lifesblood

9 members who would all be part of the High Council as Lorkhan put it. 9 could be enough for the council, 3 for the Inner Circle and 6 for the Outer Circle. Just need to decide who goes where.

Oh the sword? All Inquisitors are warriors of the Imperium and carry their weapons and tools on them at all times.

One thing I would suggest however, is that to avoid someone screaming God-Mode as many people are apt to do here cause everyone seems to think that their nation is completely secure, we should pick out specific nations that we wish to infiltrate and clear it with them OOCly and then have a short RP about our agents infiltrating their nation. This is just to cover our backs, because we can't use OOC threads to influence out decisions ICly, but if we have someone on the inside then it makes much more sense that we know what's going on.

I think we have already discussed this and decided we are contacting people first (or making IC contact).

More importantly, however, is this business about "our agents infiltrating their nation." That's not exactly how it will or should work. It is very hard to rise to a position of power and influence so quickly, thus instead of getting agents and infiltrating, we should/are getting people already in power.

@Bertoffski: What can I say... I draw people towards me :p

By the way guys, I am really sick right now so if I am incoherent or not posting much... that is why.

Seems like it's coming together nicely. I'd definitely love to be a part of the paramilitary force in some way. Power and what not, meh not my necessity...

Right here is my Suggestion. Criticise or praise it as much as you wish:

Inner Circle:
Myself
DMG
Lifesblood

Outer Circle:

Layarteb - Deals with Military/Mercenary Groups eg The Black Agents

Bertoffski - Scribe

Alversia - Deals with media. We have influence over this we can control peoples perceptions

Dratheria - Deals with Governments. Helps get nfiltration into these.

Beta Aurigae VII - Deals with Corporations. More sway over the economies of nations.

Lorkhan - Deals with Conflicts. Keep an eye out for large scale conflicts then report back on a briefing of the situation.

Kasara - Deals with Crime groups- eg Mafias of the world. Have them on side and we get infiltration into the society of nations.


Some of these roles may overlap at times which is pretty much unavoidable.

Also:

Those answerable to Londim = Dratheria and Bertoffski
Those answerable to DMG = Lorkhan and Beta Aurigae VII
Those answerable to Lifesblood = Layarteb and Alversia

Sounds good to me

If I read correctly I believe that The Black agents alter-ego wished to join...
The Rogutis Agentie

I like the suggested layout. It works

If I read correctly I believe that The Black agents alter-ego wished to join...
The Rogutis Agentie

Nah I believe The Rogus Agentie are a group that could be used by the Illuminati for specific tasks eg an Assasination. Nit part of the Illuminati itself but a group that would gain in working for the Illuminati.

Right here is my Suggestion. Criticise or praise it as much as you wish:

Inner Circle:
Myself
DMG
Lifesblood

Outer Circle:

Layarteb - Deals with Military/Mercenary Groups eg The Black Agents

Bertoffski - Scribe

Alversia - Deals with media. We have influence over this we can control peoples perceptions

Dratheria - Deals with Governments. Helps get nfiltration into these.

Beta Aurigae VII - Deals with Corporations. More sway over the economies of nations.

Lorkhan - Deals with Conflicts. Keep an eye out for large scale conflicts then report back on a briefing of the situation.

Some of these roles may overlap at times which is pretty much unavoidable.

Also:

Those answerable to Londim = Dratheria and Bertoffski
Those answerable to DMG = Lorkhan and Beta Aurigae VII
Those answerable to Lifesblood = Layarteb and Alversia

Beautiful :).

Everything looks fine to me (for whatever that is worth in my messed up state of sickness).

Nah I believe The Rogus Agentie are a group that could be used by the Illuminati for specific tasks eg an Assasination. Nit part of the Illuminati itself but a group that would gain in working for the Illuminati.

Correct.

smells good...what are you cooking...?
i'm in if you're interested...
he he he ...that place that they call england...
he he he ...
aeschmann

smells good...what are you cooking...?
i'm in if you're interested...
he he he ...that place that they call england...
he he he ...
aeschmann

Umm... what the hell?

smells good...what are you cooking...?
i'm in if you're interested...
he he he ...that place that they call england...
he he he ...
aeschmann

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Imperial Assassins are perfect for infiltration. The Callidus are very adept at shapeshifting and would have no problem emulating anyone we wish.

Imperial Assassins are perfect for infiltration. The Callidus are very adept at shapeshifting and would have no problem emulating anyone we wish.

Ummm... no

Is this not supposed to be MT? Where in the world today do people shapeshift?

I'm an FT nation

I'm an FT nation

Fair enough. I didn't know

It's alright lol

My position sounds adquate considering I'm going to be using my nation's Military Executor (military advisor and surpeme commander-in-cheif) as the applicant into the Illuminati.

Several things:

1. What about me?! Where am I supposed to be on that council?! I signed up early, page 3! I was very busy recently so I couldn't post but now I'm free.

2. I like the idea of the council and what not, and of different roles going to different members.

3. For a paramilitary force, my member, Adrian Lazaer, heads a semi-terrorist group called the Wolf Pack which would work and is already ideologically engaged in the idea of a unified world free of war.

Now a few questions for you guys about running the "Security Organization" of the group.

1. How do you want them to be, like a loose paramilitary, cell-based organization or something akin to a Special Operations team working in tight-knit, highly trained groups of perhaps 4 - 12?

2. Would they be doing both lethal & non-lethal missions (i.e. assassinations or data-mining)?

3. Would it have a central HQ location?

4. Will it be a multinational group?

Just what I have for now but I'll develop as answers come in.

Well American Spec Ops teams are usually around 7-12 personnel with a few support personnel making the whole deployed team about 20 people max.

How would you like my nation to run the influence of nations? We can infiltrate. Assassinate. Bribe. Or about anything else you could imagine.

Well American Spec Ops teams are usually around 7-12 personnel with a few support personnel making the whole deployed team about 20 people max.

It heavily depends on what unit. Army Special Forces (Green Berets) operate in twelve man teams in two units of six men. There are some SOF teams that go down to as few as four (basic fireteam) while many others go up to eight. It really can be altered as per the mission requirements. I prefer eight men myself I think that's a good size for a single unit.

Well when I was with 5th Group we (being myself and my battle buddy and sergeant along with the S-3 shop) decided it would work best for our mission requirements to work in an 8 man team but they preferred 12 man but we eventually went to 8 man because it met our mission reqs.

Well when I was with 5th Group we (being myself and my battle buddy and sergeant along with the S-3 shop) decided it would work best for our mission requirements to work in an 8 man team but they preferred 12 man but we eventually went to 8 man because it met our mission reqs.

Excellent. So you definitely know that the mission tailors the loadout and the group. Twelve is nice because you can split into two six man teams and work very effectively but to me, eight is the magic number. I think the SEALs operate in eight man teams. Force Recon, I don't know, not sure. Delta I don't know either but I could see them with four men and I could see them with twelve men, all depends on the situation. I could see four because that's the magic number deployable on a Little Bird, giving each bird a fireteam.

Delta is weird I only saw them once but they were spooky and I read one mission report and they were badass. I dont know what to tell you about them it was nuts though they dont have an SOP they just run off what they need and work from there but the most common Ive seen is two to four man teams.

Delta is weird I only saw them once but they were spooky and I read one mission report and they were badass. I dont know what to tell you about them it was nuts though they dont have an SOP they just run off what they need and work from there but the most common Ive seen is two to four man teams.

Yeah they're elite of the elite although I've heard and seen some stuff you guys do, especially to vehicles and loading up LMGs on them with real ghetto rigging but hey, what works works right? Why go against it? I could easily see them with two men and four is great for Little Bird insertions so I gotta say yeah I can definitely see it. The small the teams the less people to worry about, the faster you can move, and the more pain you can deliver because, let's face it, they aren't lacking firepower.

No they aren't in the scheme of the Army it goes Delta, Spec Ops, Rangers, then the rest of the Army. And Delta has all the best and most brand new stuff. They're really crazy and they don't wear uniforms and if they do wear some they wear no insignia nothing on their ACUs or just a black jumpsuit.

Right here is my Suggestion. Criticise or praise it as much as you wish:

Inner Circle:
Myself
DMG
Lifesblood

Outer Circle:

Layarteb - Deals with Military/Mercenary Groups eg The Black Agents

Bertoffski - Scribe

Alversia - Deals with media. We have influence over this we can control peoples perceptions

Dratheria - Deals with Governments. Helps get nfiltration into these.

Beta Aurigae VII - Deals with Corporations. More sway over the economies of nations.

Lorkhan - Deals with Conflicts. Keep an eye out for large scale conflicts then report back on a briefing of the situation.

Some of these roles may overlap at times which is pretty much unavoidable.

Also:

Those answerable to Londim = Dratheria and Bertoffski
Those answerable to DMG = Lorkhan and Beta Aurigae VII
Those answerable to Lifesblood = Layarteb and Alversia


Aw, fer sure! This arrangement has my vote! =D

-Bertoffski

He is one we may have to discuss letting in...

Alright, now that everything is pretty much set, I suggest we begin in earnest.
1) Make yo characters
2) Perhaps a short IC beginning/reawakening RP where the members gather in the secret place.
3) Scribe, we needs some written documents/rules/laws/whateva
4) Begin recruiting
5) We work from there...


Just a couple notes on people who said they wanted to join, but did not post again... if anyone feels like taking the initiative in contacting them (if they would be good candidates):
Cazelia here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12714829&postcount=29)
Kulikovia here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12705856&postcount=2)
Aeschmann here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12729785&postcount=90)
Orthodox Gnosticism here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12715478&postcount=36)

No they aren't in the scheme of the Army it goes Delta, Spec Ops, Rangers, then the rest of the Army. And Delta has all the best and most brand new stuff. They're really crazy and they don't wear uniforms and if they do wear some they wear no insignia nothing on their ACUs or just a black jumpsuit.

Yeah they are pretty much "black" forces, which is why they're so effective at what they do and they pretty much go anywhere. I don't know if you watch "The Unit" and I know the guy who wrote the book is a persona non gratta within Delta now (since he blabbed his mouth) but I think that show is a great protrayal of how they'd work.

Alright, now that everything is pretty much set, I suggest we begin in earnest.
1) Make yo characters
2) Perhaps a short IC beginning/reawakening RP where the members gather in the secret place.
3) Scribe, we needs some written documents/rules/laws/whateva
4) Begin recruiting
5) We work from there...


Just a couple notes on people who said they wanted to join, but did not post again... if anyone feels like taking the initiative in contacting them (if they would be good candidates):
Cazelia here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12714829&postcount=29)
Kulikovia here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12705856&postcount=2)
Aeschmann here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12729785&postcount=90)
Orthodox Gnosticism here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12715478&postcount=36)

Should I wait until characters are created to begin the ranks of the paramil?

Should I wait until characters are created to begin the ranks of the paramil?

I was under the impression that our characters (at least most of them) were not going to be in the paramil.

(Answer, either way, though, is no. Go ahead)

I was under the impression that our characters (at least most of them) were not going to be in the paramil.

(Answer, either way, though, is no. Go ahead)

Okay just wasn't sure what was going on since a lot of ideas had been tossed up with little resolve. I'll just wait until my above questions are answered before I begin serious planning.

1. How do you want them to be, like a loose paramilitary, cell-based organization or something akin to a Special Operations team working in tight-knit, highly trained groups of perhaps 4 - 12?

2. Would they be doing both lethal & non-lethal missions (i.e. assassinations or data-mining)?

3. Would it have a central HQ location?

4. Will it be a multinational group?

In order to understand/not understand what's going/not going on, you all need to read The Principia Discordia (http://www.principiadiscordia.com/book/1.php).
Only then will fnord things become clear/unclear. However the mere fact that you are writing about joining the Illuminati means that you can't possibly be members since such an organisation doesn't exist, certainly doesn't continue to this day and certainly wouldn't post anything to a message board if it did, which it doesn't. Obviously. Watch out for the black helicopters.

Well, here are my ideas, but they don't matter much to me.

1. Spec Ops... 8-man unit, two teams of 4 (8 or 12 though, not a huge difference)

2. Most of the time probably lethal stuff, but having a tech expert wouldn't hurt

3. At most a safe-house of some kind probably... probably not where the Illuminati are (and probably don't even know where it is if nobody from the Illuminati is actually in it).

4. Yeah probably, but it wouldn't matter much though. However, ICly, the Illuminati would probably feel safer if it were multinational (having everyone with an innate connection to each other could be dangerous if they decided to turn).

Well, here are my ideas, but they don't matter much to me.

1. Spec Ops... 8-man unit, two teams of 4 (8 or 12 though, not a huge difference)

2. Most of the time probably lethal stuff, but having a tech expert wouldn't hurt

3. At most a safe-house of some kind probably... probably not where the Illuminati are (and probably don't even know where it is if nobody from the Illuminati is actually in it).

4. Yeah probably, but it wouldn't matter much though. However, ICly, the Illuminati would probably feel safer if it were multinational (having everyone with an innate connection to each other could be dangerous if they decided to turn).

Excellent and I think a good idea would be to keep the teams unknowning of each other. This way if one team goes down all they can do is give up their OWN team.

Excellent and I think a good idea would be to keep the teams unknowning of each other. This way if one team goes down all they can do is give up their OWN team.

Works for me.

Also, unless anyone has something better and catchier I'm starting out with the name Raven Ghosts for them. Normally I'm good with unit names but nothing really seemed too catchy. Suggestions?

Also we need some sort of secret place "off-site" to plan and discuss so those who aren't in cannot know...

Several things:

1. What about me?! Where am I supposed to be on that council?! I signed up early, page 3! I was very busy recently so I couldn't post but now I'm free.

2. I like the idea of the council and what not, and of different roles going to different members.

3. For a paramilitary force, my member, Adrian Lazaer, heads a semi-terrorist group called the Wolf Pack which would work and is already ideologically engaged in the idea of a unified world free of war.

Oops sorry mate. Was revising and missed you post. I'll make a quick change to the roster.

Now a few questions for you guys about running the "Security Organization" of the group.

1. How do you want them to be, like a loose paramilitary, cell-based organization or something akin to a Special Operations team working in tight-knit, highly trained groups of perhaps 4 - 12?

2. Would they be doing both lethal & non-lethal missions (i.e. assassinations or data-mining)?

3. Would it have a central HQ location?

4. Will it be a multinational group?

Just what I have for now but I'll develop as answers come in.

1.Something like SpecOps, 8 member teams works.

2. Yes. You hav covered both roles. The infomration is just as important as the hit.

3. It will but seperate from the Illuminati. This gives more security to both groups in case one goes down the other can still operate.

How would you like my nation to run the influence of nations? We can infiltrate. Assassinate. Bribe. Or about anything else you could imagine.

All of the above. Infiltration can happen in a number of ways, killing a prominent figure, bribing a corrupt official or gaining a place in government.

Also if someone could work on an offsite wbesite it'd be greatly appreciated.

EDIT:

Right here is my Suggestion. Criticise or praise it as much as you wish:

Inner Circle:
Myself
DMG
Lifesblood

Outer Circle:

Layarteb - Deals with Military/Mercenary Groups eg The Black Agents

Bertoffski - Scribe

Alversia - Deals with media. We have influence over this we can control peoples perceptions

Dratheria - Deals with Governments. Helps get nfiltration into these.

Beta Aurigae VII - Deals with Corporations. More sway over the economies of nations.

Lorkhan - Deals with Conflicts. Keep an eye out for large scale conflicts then report back on a briefing of the situation.

Kasara - Deals with Crime groups- eg Mafias of the world. Have them on side and we get infiltration into the society of nations.


Some of these roles may overlap at times which is pretty much unavoidable.

Also:

Those answerable to Londim = Dratheria and Bertoffski and Kasara
Those answerable to DMG = Lorkhan and Beta Aurigae VII
Those answerable to Lifesblood = Layarteb and Alversia

As Kasara had joined early on I'm entering him into the Higher Council. It's only fair.

I guess my job is to report on certain events in certain ways so that the outcome works in the Society's favour, yes?

Also, unless anyone has something better and catchier I'm starting out with the name Raven Ghosts for them. Normally I'm good with unit names but nothing really seemed too catchy. Suggestions?

Skrømt Nex.

Translation: Ghosts [of] Death.

Although Raven Ghosts is probably a better name, to be honest. :P


Right here is my Suggestion. Criticise or praise it as much as you wish:

Inner Circle:
Myself
DMG
Lifesblood

Outer Circle:

Layarteb - Deals with Military/Mercenary Groups eg The Black Agents

Bertoffski - Scribe

Alversia - Deals with media. We have influence over this we can control peoples perceptions

Dratheria - Deals with Governments. Helps get nfiltration into these.

Beta Aurigae VII - Deals with Corporations. More sway over the economies of nations.

Lorkhan - Deals with Conflicts. Keep an eye out for large scale conflicts then report back on a briefing of the situation.

Kasara - Deals with Crime groups- eg Mafias of the world. Have them on side and we get infiltration into the society of nations.


Some of these roles may overlap at times which is pretty much unavoidable.

Also:

Those answerable to Londim = Dratheria and Bertoffski and Kasara
Those answerable to DMG = Lorkhan and Beta Aurigae VII
Those answerable to Lifesblood = Layarteb and Alversia

Sounds good. Thanks for the position, I appreciate it.

1. Spec Ops... 8-man unit, two teams of 4 (8 or 12 though, not a huge difference)

Are the Illuminati combat teams 'gonna be selected from preexisting organisations or are we going to train them ourselves, etc.?

3) Scribe, we needs some written documents/rules/laws/whateva

I think we should have a central tenet to the organisation, regardless of other laws.

Something like:

1.) Secrecy of organisation.
2.) Completing the mission.
3.) Protecting the lives of our members.

In order of priority for our members in-the-field, in addition to whatever else we decide. It can be altered but I think secrecy should remain the top priority. Also, somebody should probably rephrase it to make it smoother.

Thoughts?

I guess my job is to report on certain events in certain ways so that the outcome works in the Society's favour, yes?

I assume so. Like if we were trying to start a war between two Nations, have your people report only inflammatory things about the other Nation. If you do it subtly you'll recieve no more than mild criticism [If that], so on the larger scale you can create and influence media bias.

On the smaller scale you could have journalists misreport certain events. Eg: if an Illuminati journalist is the only one on site at a location where chaos breaks out [Perhaps due to the Illuminati infact] you could report that the government fired on protestors first, without cause, etc. This could actually cause some kind of revolt or merely create an amount of havoc in a certain area to allow the Illuminati combat squad/s to achieve a certain objective.

Even just discrediting those who may hinder our progress. Reporting on those who are detrimental in a negative light, and those who could aid us in a positive light, or not at all. Or be nearby to capture on camera when a politician is arrested after a tip that he has drugs, etc. in his vehicle. Perhaps the Illuminati could even have previously planted illegal items. Just ruining individuals could prove invaluable to the organisation.

Just some ideas, I imagine others will explain it better and more in-depth than I.

Oops sorry mate. Was revising and missed you post. I'll make a quick change to the roster.



1.Something like SpecOps, 8 member teams works.

2. Yes. You hav covered both roles. The infomration is just as important as the hit.

3. It will but seperate from the Illuminati. This gives more security to both groups in case one goes down the other can still operate.



All of the above. Infiltration can happen in a number of ways, killing a prominent figure, bribing a corrupt official or gaining a place in government.

Also if someone could work on an offsite wbesite it'd be greatly appreciated.

EDIT:



As Kasara had joined early on I'm entering him into the Higher Council. It's only fair.

Thank you. So, how about this for the central tenent, based on what Lifesblood said:

1. The secrecy and integrity of the Illuminati must be kept safe at all costs. We are exposable. Our bodies may die and wither, our tools may chip and break, and our fortunes may dissapear, but if we keep the Illuminati's knowledge safe and secret, nothing can stop the New World Order from coming to light.

2. Our missions must be achieved. Every job, every action, no matter how small or insignificant has a purpose towards achieving the New World Order. If our souls and bodies are focused towards a purpose and a mission, nothing can stop the achievement of our mission and the fufillment of our purpose.

3. Protect the lives of the Illuminati. Each member is a valuable tool on the road to the New World Order. The idea may go on, but there are many who will help it come to exist faster than if they were no longer in the world of the living.

Thank you. So, how about this for the central tenent, based on what Lifesblood said:

1. The secrecy and integrity of the Illuminati must be kept safe at all costs. We are exposable. Our bodies may die and wither, our tools may chip and break, and our fortunes may dissapear, but if we keep the Illuminati's knowledge safe and secret, nothing can stop the New World Order from coming to light.

2. Our missions must be achieved. Every job, every action, no matter how small or insignificant has a purpose towards achieving the New World Order. If our souls and bodies are focused towards a purpose and a mission, nothing can stop the achievement of our mission and the fufillment of our purpose.

3. Protect the lives of the Illuminati. Each member is a valuable tool on the road to the New World Order. The idea may go on, but there are many who will help it come to exist faster than if they were no longer in the world of the living.

Maybe some of the Paramilitary troops could be used as bodyguards for the key members of the Order

I would like to suggest that the Wolf Pack, the terrorist group run by Adrian Lazaer, is used as a less powerful, widerspread and more "messy" special ops than the ultra-elite paramilitary employed by the Illuminati in general. They could also serve as cover, with their actions being seen as driven by different goals than the Illuminati, throwing off suspicion.

I would like to suggest that the Wolf Pack, the terrorist group run by Adrian Lazaer, is used as a less powerful, widerspread and more "messy" special ops than the ultra-elite paramilitary employed by the Illuminati in general. They could also serve as cover, with their actions being seen as driven by different goals than the Illuminati, throwing off suspicion.

Good suggestion. A cover operation to hide the true motives and plotters of the Order

1.Something like SpecOps, 8 member teams works.

2. Yes. You hav covered both roles. The infomration is just as important as the hit.

3. It will but seperate from the Illuminati. This gives more security to both groups in case one goes down the other can still operate.

Yeah we can do eight max and have them be like Delta and go to two or four or even six or five if necessary but eight will be the magic number. They'll be trained rigorsly in both combat and non-combat missions. Each eight man team will have a computer technician with them who is a trained hacker, cracker, and all sorts of other goodies. There will be a dedicated communications individual who can tap phone lines, computers, etc. There will be a sort of thief guy who can pick locks, safes, etc. It should be a good load out. Bases could be simple safe houses and what not scattered all around the globe.

Skrømt Nex.

Translation: Ghosts [of] Death.

Although Raven Ghosts is probably a better name, to be honest. :P

That's actually pretty good. I didn't think of non-English words. Perhaps there's something in German that sounds badass and excellent although that Ghosts of Death is pretty nice.

Are the Illuminati combat teams 'gonna be selected from preexisting organisations or are we going to train them ourselves, etc.?

The selection process yes. The process is done by selecting from the ranks of the Illuminati only members who have prior combat experience (i.e. soldier's). Obviously elite hackers and communications specialists will be sought out as well. They will be extensively trained a sort of "School of the America's" where they will learn the finer points of their missions and could be there upwards of six to eight months, depending on their skill level. Once they are done they are moved out into eight man cells and strategically placed where necessary. No one cell knows about another or any details of them and they are all trained sort of independently.

Maybe some of the Paramilitary troops could be used as bodyguards for the key members of the Order

Escort duty will be amongst the skills taught.

I would like to suggest that the Wolf Pack, the terrorist group run by Adrian Lazaer, is used as a less powerful, widerspread and more "messy" special ops than the ultra-elite paramilitary employed by the Illuminati in general. They could also serve as cover, with their actions being seen as driven by different goals than the Illuminati, throwing off suspicion.

The beauty of the Illuminati is that they can use local terrorist or rebel or militia groups to their liking, further distancing themselves from the cause.



I will be developing a standardized arsenal shortly...

Well it seems everything is falling into place nicely now. If anyone has anymore queries just throw them out there so we can clear anything up. Don't be afraid to ask it saves time later.

Also Layarteb how about Nachtschatten = Night Shadow.

Well it seems everything is falling into place nicely now. If anyone has anymore queries just throw them out there so we can clear anything up. Don't be afraid to ask it saves time later.

Also Layarteb how about Nachtschatten = Night Shadow.

I like the paramilitary name.

How exactly will I report on a news event without pissing off one or more countries? It will be difficult to do without an explaination

http://z7.invisionfree.com/NS_Illuminati/index.php

Not fancy but its a start.

If your still looking for a place to meet you can buy land from WTI's Real Estate company...

Well it seems everything is falling into place nicely now. If anyone has anymore queries just throw them out there so we can clear anything up. Don't be afraid to ask it saves time later.

Also Layarteb how about Nachtschatten = Night Shadow.

That grabs my attention! Nachtschatten...that's great

http://z7.invisionfree.com/NS_Illuminati/index.php

Not fancy but its a start.

http://theforsakenoutlaw.com/phpBB2/

I could always put a sub-section here if you want. It offers much greater security and reliability than Invision Free.

That grabs my attention! Nachtschatten...that's great



http://theforsakenoutlaw.com/phpBB2/

I could always put a sub-section here if you want. It offers much greater security and reliability than Invision Free.

Thats a much better idea actually. Cheers.

Wait... which forum are we going with?

Alright it's set up and ready.

http://theforsakenoutlaw.com/phpBB2/

I'll work out the finer points with Londim hopefully tomorrow through telegrams or AIM/MSN if he catches me there.

What is a VIP Code?

What is a VIP Code?

9633

The code can be found here:
http://www.aignes.com/support.htm

It's done to keep spam bots away and it's worked 100% of the time :).

Thanks Layarteb!
Got that sorted out.

*Awaiting Activation*

*Awaiting Activation*

Same here

Thanks Layarteb!
Got that sorted out.

*Awaiting Activation*

Same here

Activated.

Waiting. Additionally, I copied what I thought was important from this thread into a notepad file. Once I get a chance I'll put it up on the site.

OOC: ok I have an idea. Information seems to be important to you. The Black Agent have acquired thousands of artifacts.. the dead sea scrolls, library of the masons, ETC.... Plus a treasure that would make one wealthy for an eternity.the objects are kept in a place called " The Skimicarus " A seven Chamber Tomb/ Vault that houses the treasures of the Agency. If you wanted to try and rob it we could work out a plot ....

OOC: ok I have an idea. Information seems to be important to you. The Black Agent have acquired thousands of artifacts.. the dead sea scrolls, library of the masons, ETC.... Plus a treasure that would make one wealthy for an eternity.the objects are kept in a place called " The Skimicarus " A seven Chamber Tomb/ Vault that houses the treasures of the Agency. If you wanted to try and rob it we could work out a plot ....

This could be a good introductory RP for the Illuminati. I'll talk to the others about it.

Also all members please check the Illuminati Forum (http://theforsakenoutlaw.com/phpBB2/) where I have given out mission statements.

Cool. I await your Ideas.

Ooooh, that sounds like something I came up with for introducing new members. The forum I posted it in was, like, some kinda ghost forum, though, so I guess it probably won't be very helpful unless I put it here. Sorry I haven't posted stuff in a while, but I got finals, and yeah. =\ Just one more test though! =D

Oh, right, the actual thing.

Hmm, smoother, smoother, smoother, shave. Okay, I got something!

1. The Illuminati must keep itself secret from the outside world.

2. The Illuminati must collect information, which it will then keep secret. Oh, and use to its benefit.

3. The Illuminati must grow by acquiring new members, who will want to look at all our shiny information.

Wait, "shiny information" isn't a verb. Dang. Anyways, there ya go! Smooth as a corporate whistle! Or... whatever.

-Bertoffski

PS I dunno if this thing is notifying me when I get PMs... Anyways, I'm gonna try and find my inbox, then start checking it regularly, so yeah, you can send be assignments that way too. =D

Default is to have the person notified through e-mail when PMs arrive (go to the top and go to the link to the left of "LOG OUT" and you'll see if you have private messages or it'll say if you have 0. That is the PM console and it will open up with your PMs and if you want to send them.

There are two boards within that are hidden except to people who belong to a particular usergroup. What you see is what you can access and what you cannot see doesn't exist.

I.e. members of the high council can see the high council board but general illuminati members cannot...

this is for security purposes and isn't like a password (which can be guessed or hacked). unless you belong to the usergroup you cannot get in and the only way to get into the usergroup is to be added by either the forum admin (me) or the group leader (londim in all cases).

OOC Hey yall Im gonna be gone for a couple weeks IRL I gotta go to training with my unit

OOC Hey yall Im gonna be gone for a couple weeks IRL I gotta go to training with my unit

Best of luck for you sir. By the way, custom signatures & user avatars are fully allowable on the boards if you guys want. We never suppress creativity there and bandwith isn't necessarily an issue yet.

Alright, now that everything is pretty much set, I suggest we begin in earnest.
1) Make yo characters
2) Perhaps a short IC beginning/reawakening RP where the members gather in the secret place.
3) Scribe, we needs some written documents/rules/laws/whateva
4) Begin recruiting
5) We work from there...


Just a couple notes on people who said they wanted to join, but did not post again... if anyone feels like taking the initiative in contacting them (if they would be good candidates):
Cazelia here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12714829&postcount=29)
Kulikovia here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12705856&postcount=2)
Aeschmann here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12729785&postcount=90)
Orthodox Gnosticism here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12715478&postcount=36)


Begin in earnest?? COOOOL! Wait, but where do we do this? I'm confused. There should be a character-making bit in the Illuminati-specific forum place: http://theforsakenoutlaw.com/phpBB2/index.php

...Oh, and what is it I'm supposed to be writing? Up till now, my inspiration's been random and rambling, but I need mission specs on this one. Like, "write a 300-word outline on our policy towards crazy people," or something. Only, maybe a little more fundamental and useful. Also, I'm supposed to be answering to Londim based on our current hierarchy... Like, if you have a specific policy writeup in mind, that would rock, but otherwise you should see if Londim's got something for me to do. =)

-Bertoffski

That's a good question Bert. Develop off or on-site...I'd be up to the Inner Circle of course.

I could assist you all in getting things started with your organization since its the same kind as mine in a sense.

I could assist you all in getting things started with your organization since its the same kind as mine in a sense.

In a very miniscule sense.

@Rodlandia: Rofl... where was this post I missed?

@Bertoffski: We kind of just need our guiding principles, our rules/laws, our ancient documents, etc. (sorry, no details for now from me... being sick)

That's a good question Bert. Develop off or on-site...I'd be up to the Inner Circle of course.

Both. We'll have our characters on here so as to members of NS can see who we are but all the stuff we and infor mation we gather will be put in the other forum. So this site would be mainly Rp the other would be a discussion area on how to handle events.

Begin in earnest?? COOOOL! Wait, but where do we do this? I'm confused. There should be a character-making bit in the Illuminati-specific forum place: http://theforsakenoutlaw.com/phpBB2/index.php

...Oh, and what is it I'm supposed to be writing? Up till now, my inspiration's been random and rambling, but I need mission specs on this one. Like, "write a 300-word outline on our policy towards crazy people," or something. Only, maybe a little more fundamental and useful. Also, I'm supposed to be answering to Londim based on our current hierarchy... Like, if you have a specific policy writeup in mind, that would rock, but otherwise you should see if Londim's got something for me to do. =)

-Bertoffski

I've already seen on the other Forums the posts you have made and they're really good. What would be interesting would be policy and such. For example what would happen if say one of our members was captured or died somehow. How would we replace them or get them back? I'm leaving this open to you.

Both. We'll have our characters on here so as to members of NS can see who we are but all the stuff we and infor mation we gather will be put in the other forum. So this site would be mainly Rp the other would be a discussion area on how to handle events.


Just let me know if you want another board added (IC board for example, etc).

You should probably have read the first post in this thread. This is something of an RP, something of an attempt to take over the NS world, which is mainly an RPG-type deal anyway. Well, I guess stats and that are limited mainly to our individual RPs... So, even if you're an NS fanatic or something, no need to be fearful or skeptical of a plot to take over the world of Nationstates. Oh, and thanks for entertaining us with our first-ever instance of being mistaken for the real Illuminati. I mean, you were totally skeptical, but it was still funny. xD Thanks again!

-Bertoffski



How could I possibly have mistaken something so feeble for the real Illuminati? What planet are you on? I've RP'd before and seen some peculiar suspensions of belief but this one is by far the most hilarious. Have any of you even read the books? To even remotely come close to RPing a secret organisation, one should start with the premise of 'secret'. This was a good idea in principle, but flawed from the moment it started.

You should have started with a 'real world' pair who would have decided what goes and what doesn't. Invitations to select NS nations by TG only. Nothing posted openly. It should have built up quietly and SECRETLY with no-one except for an inner circle of around 3-5 nations knowing the extent of the organisation's penetration into NS. That would have been fun.
You lot might as well be running around in a wood with a rubber sword shouting "Look out! Goblins!":headbang:

How could I possibly have mistaken something so feeble for the real Illuminati? What planet are you on? I've RP'd before and seen some peculiar suspensions of belief but this one is by far the most hilarious. Have any of you even read the books? To even remotely come close to RPing a secret organisation, one should start with the premise of 'secret'. This was a good idea in principle, but flawed from the moment it started.

You should have started with a 'real world' pair who would have decided what goes and what doesn't. Invitations to select NS nations by TG only. Nothing posted openly. It should have built up quietly and SECRETLY with no-one except for an inner circle of around 3-5 nations knowing the extent of the organisation's penetration into NS. That would have been fun.
You lot might as well be running around in a wood with a rubber sword shouting "Look out! Goblins!":headbang:

You're entitled to your opinion but this is a bit of fun. This is just something I do should I have some spare time. In hindsight your idea may have worked better but if there was nothing other nations could reference back to then shouts of Godmodding would be a regular thing. Al this disscussion OOC so anyone can see. In IC mode no nations will know about this except those involved.

How could I possibly have mistaken something so feeble for the real Illuminati? What planet are you on? I've RP'd before and seen some peculiar suspensions of belief but this one is by far the most hilarious. Have any of you even read the books? To even remotely come close to RPing a secret organisation, one should start with the premise of 'secret'. This was a good idea in principle, but flawed from the moment it started.

You should have started with a 'real world' pair who would have decided what goes and what doesn't. Invitations to select NS nations by TG only. Nothing posted openly. It should have built up quietly and SECRETLY with no-one except for an inner circle of around 3-5 nations knowing the extent of the organisation's penetration into NS. That would have been fun.
You lot might as well be running around in a wood with a rubber sword shouting "Look out! Goblins!":headbang:

Loll, fine, fine. xD It's just that you were talking about how there's nooo way we could be the real Illuminati... That kind of implied that your first impression was that we were supposed to be, leading to your assumption that we were a cheap knock-off rather than an RP group. Also, a lot of very influential NS groups may not have heard of the Illuminati... That's why there are relatively few posts here compared to, say, "evolution versus creation." Oh, and the secret part will happen as soon as someone tells me which of my ideas I should delete from public domain. =D Other than that, though, your idea sounds sorta like mine... >_> At this point, though, it's hard to get a group to unanimously start deleting posts in a hurry... Anyways, your concept of "RPing" sounds upsettingly serious. =o Oh, and were you talking about those chaos books? I read those. They converted me to discordianism, a relgion which I then forgot almost instantaneously. So, in conclusion, stop banging your head against the wall. That kind of behavior tends to lead to asparagus syndrome.

-Bertoffski

P.S. I suggest that you not use that whole "goblin" thing as part of an insult, due largely in part to its sounding like hecka fun. xD You have to remember that you're dealing with a preppy kid here.

How could I possibly have mistaken something so feeble for the real Illuminati? What planet are you on? I've RP'd before and seen some peculiar suspensions of belief but this one is by far the most hilarious. Have any of you even read the books? To even remotely come close to RPing a secret organisation, one should start with the premise of 'secret'. This was a good idea in principle, but flawed from the moment it started.

You should have started with a 'real world' pair who would have decided what goes and what doesn't. Invitations to select NS nations by TG only. Nothing posted openly. It should have built up quietly and SECRETLY with no-one except for an inner circle of around 3-5 nations knowing the extent of the organisation's penetration into NS. That would have been fun.
You lot might as well be running around in a wood with a rubber sword shouting "Look out! Goblins!":headbang:

Wowzers! No offense, but perhaps you should think through your own idea a bit more.

First of all, if you know about RPing, you obviously know that you cannot take OOC information as IC knowledge, thus nobody does know about us ICly, which, frankly, is all that matters.

Secondly, how could you infiltrate and manipulate all of NS if only 3-5 people knew about it? You can't very well RP being involved in someone else's government without them okaying it, let alone knowing about it.

I'd have more to say, ripping into this, but it's late and I'm sick.

OOC: ok I have an idea. Information seems to be important to you. The Black Agent have acquired thousands of artifacts.. the dead sea scrolls, library of the masons, ETC.... Plus a treasure that would make one wealthy for an eternity.the objects are kept in a place called " The Skimicarus " A seven Chamber Tomb/ Vault that houses the treasures of the Agency. If you wanted to try and rob it we could work out a plot ....

Ooooooh, that sounds pretty dang awesome. Let's work out a plot, everyone! =D

-Bertoffski

P.S. My first impression was "zomg it's a trap," but then I realized that we haven't worked out a plot yet, and that the post I quoted was OOC and therefore couldn't possibly be a trap according to the NS guidelines. <D

...Unless, of course, there were already some qualities and details given to the RP elements of these sacred objects and their locations that would make obtaining them very, very, difficult, but we don't have many details about that stuff just yet, so we might as well hear the plot. =\

:pguys if you want more info on the illuminati dan browns book angels and demons has some good stuff in it

Ooooooh, that sounds pretty dang awesome. Let's work out a plot, everyone! =D

-Bertoffski

P.S. My first impression was "zomg it's a trap," but then I realized that we haven't worked out a plot yet, and that the post I quoted was OOC and therefore couldn't possibly be a trap according to the NS guidelines. <D

...Unless, of course, there were already some qualities and details given to the RP elements of these sacred objects and their locations that would make obtaining them very, very, difficult, but we don't have many details about that stuff just yet, so we might as well hear the plot. =\


Agreed.

If ,with TBA's permission, we can get someone to infiltrate his organisation as an agent or whatever who knows some stuff about the workings of the Agency then it could help. This would bring in a lot of our departments and the first instance of NachtSchatten use. Will be interesting.

Agreed.

If ,with TBA's permission, we can get someone to infiltrate his organisation as an agent or whatever who knows some stuff about the workings of the Agency then it could help. This would bring in a lot of our departments and the first instance of NachtSchatten use. Will be interesting.

Cool just let me know when my services are needed.

Agreed.

If ,with TBA's permission, we can get someone to infiltrate his organisation as an agent or whatever who knows some stuff about the workings of the Agency then it could help. This would bring in a lot of our departments and the first instance of NachtSchatten use. Will be interesting.

Ooooooh, NachtSchatten. Would my security guidelines be useful here, too? I guess we have to decide what we're going to do once TBA gets back to us... I'd send him a PM, but he'd probably respond more favorably to someone in the Inner Circle of the Illuminati. =)

-Bertoffski

Ooooooh, NachtSchatten. Would my security guidelines be useful here, too? I guess we have to decide what we're going to do once TBA gets back to us... I'd send him a PM, but he'd probably respond more favorably to someone in the Inner Circle of the Illuminati. =)

-Bertoffski

Sure post them over in the Department of Security Operations I'm always up for ideas and what not though, given the nature of the department, there's no guarantee they'll always be followed.

Characters guys! Before we can do any RPs we need our characters... (and perhaps a little place to put them on the forum).

Characters guys! Before we can do any RPs we need our characters... (and perhaps a little place to put them on the forum).

Oh, I was gonna wait till the RP was set up to get to work on a character... Might as well do that now, though, and copy ideas into the Forsaken Outlaw forum if the need arises.

Lessee, character, character, character...

Assuming I don't need to roll any d20's here, I think I'll start by coming up with a name. Griffin Mohawk would not be a good name. Also, I think I stole the name "Griffin" from somewhere. Like, not just the eagle-monster-thing, either. So, instead, my name shall be Kerrick Mulligan. I mean, my character's name. 3rd-person stuff gets confusing for me at times, so I usually stick to switching between first and second. xD

So, this Kerrick Mulligan person is 67 years old and goes on lots of oceanographic expeditions to study plankton, or something. Or maybe giant squid. I dunno. Anyways, he is contacted by an anonymous organization, (who could it beeee?? =o) which wants him to study the spread of bacteria and viruses across oceans. This sounds very odd and suspicious to him, along with somewhat unfeasible due to the sheer size of oceans, along with the strong currents and high salinity levels... Nonetheless, Professor Mulligan accepts the offer and begins work on genetically engineering a bacterium, similar to various land-based counterparts, that can survive an ocean environment. The work is daunting, but a second letter from the organization hints that he will be meeting a representative of theirs soon to discuss his payment and, more importantly, the reason for his being given the assignment...

OOC now! Okay, so I dunno how this'll work with my character starting outside of the Illuminati... I dunno how the joining part will work; I guess he's just that important to the Illuminati due to the whole bacteria thing. Oh, and note that some sci-fi authors could've come up with something more plausible than I did... Y'know, 'cause some sci-fi authors have their facts just plain wrong and all. xD

-Bertoffski

Will we put Character bios here?

cant say I got the PM but I am more then willing to answer any questions... I will be back from work about 7 pm o'clock Eastern time.

cant say I got the PM but I am more then willing to answer any questions... I will be back from work about 7 pm o'clock Eastern time.

Work? xD okay, cool. That reminds me, I'm on Summer break now that I've finished finals, so I have lots and lots of time for NS. :D

...More importantly for the time being, though, I still need to know where to put that character profile thing I did, and what else I need to do with it.

...Wait, I should probably check the other forum. I shoud reallly check the other forum before I post here, asking random questions.

-Bertoffski

P.S. Apply sunscreen on field day. Just... do. =(

Will we put Character bios here?

I think Layarteb needs to make a spot on the forum for it... otherwise, just create a thread in General for it.

cant say I got the PM but I am more then willing to answer any questions... I will be back from work about 7 pm o'clock Eastern time.

Probably cuz nobody sent one yet?

Whats wrong DMG....you have been on my case since I showed my face here. I was simply stating that I haven't received an TG or PM from anyone here- considering I read that someone was. I thought we where tight yo?


The Skimickarus is a 7 level tomb/ vault that was created during the first generation of the Agency during that last years of the 5th Agent 1. It was built as a last testament to the Agency in the even that the agency was destroyed. The tomb was built as not only a resting place for the leadership of the agency but as a vault for the treasures that the Agency would acquire throughout the years. But the real treasure was indeed the Skimickarus itself. The seven levels are within themselves a treasure to behold,

LvL 1. Tomb of Tales
LvL 2. Tomb of the Smiths
LvL 3. The Smithery
LvL 4. The Tomb of Fortunes
LvL 5. Tomb of the Last Marauders
LvL 6. Tomb of the Trials
LvL 7. Tomb of the Leadia Agentie

more coming...

I think Layarteb needs to make a spot on the forum for it... otherwise, just create a thread in General for it.



Probably cuz nobody sent one yet?

I'll go ahead and make an IC board for us all. It's created.

I'll go ahead and make an IC board for us all. It's created.

It's created where, now? I checked the TFO forums, and alls I know is that someone's in Europe now. So, a link would be nice so that I know where the RP is gonna be. Thanks!

-Bertoffski

P.S. Lolll, when I first read that one post by TBA, I thought he said "level 7 tomb," and I was like, "YAY THAT SOUNDS RPERIFFIC!"

...I mean, it's probably gonna be RPeriffic anyway, but "level 7 tomb" elicited more of an "omigosh" response than "7 level tomb." Still awesome, though, and it makes more sense that way.

It's created where, now? I checked the TFO forums, and alls I know is that someone's in Europe now. So, a link would be nice so that I know where the RP is gonna be. Thanks!

-Bertoffski

P.S. Lolll, when I first read that one post by TBA, I thought he said "level 7 tomb," and I was like, "YAY THAT SOUNDS RPERIFFIC!"

...I mean, it's probably gonna be RPeriffic anyway, but "level 7 tomb" elicited more of an "omigosh" response than "7 level tomb." Still awesome, though, and it makes more sense that way.

If you go to the boards you'll see "In Character" as plain as day.

If you go to the boards you'll see "In Character" as plain as day.

The... boards? I think you may have lost me. NS forums are the only ones I've been on in literally years, so yeah. xD

-Bertoffski

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Right I've noticed that some people are MIA. Dratheria I know is away but from this post the other members have 5 days to reply otherwise there will be a reshuffle.

I can't RP in this thread any more due to upcoming exams!

Sorry but AS comes first

I can't RP in this thread any more due to upcoming exams!

Sorry but AS comes first

Not a problem. Just finishing my exams so I know how ya feel

Hello

Don't worry I'm still here. Formulating the whole layout and design of the Nachtschatten but I'm here when needed, just give the signal.

Right I've noticed that some people are MIA. Dratheria I know is away but from this post the other members have 5 days to reply otherwise there will be a reshuffle.

Here.

I'm here, still in the process of formulating my character though.

Right I've noticed that some people are MIA. Dratheria I know is away but from this post the other members have 5 days to reply otherwise there will be a reshuffle.

I might suggest a TG to people before doing whatever.

Thats an idea. As you cansee however Alversia has left the Illuminati but I have already found a suitable replacement. You can either agree or disagree with this decision but I felt we needed a powerful hand in the Illuminati, so please welcome Blackhelm Confederacy.

Also Beta Aurigae VII would you mind if I changed it so you were the head of the media and putting out spin articles when necessary and Blackhelm became Head of Corporate Affairs. I only suggest this due to his experience of dealing with companies.

Also if anyone has objections please let them be known here.

OOC: I'd like to join up and see where the RP takes us. A few colleques of mine are Free Masons so I have the background info to take part and I love the idea.

Well their goes the 'hood

Thats an idea. As you cansee however Alversia has left the Illuminati but I have already found a suitable replacement. You can either agree or disagree with this decision but I felt we needed a powerful hand in the Illuminati, so please welcome Blackhelm Confederacy.

Also Beta Aurigae VII would you mind if I changed it so you were the head of the media and putting out spin articles when necessary and Blackhelm became Head of Corporate Affairs. I only suggest this due to his experience of dealing with companies.

Also if anyone has objections please let them be known here.

Whatever you want to do is fine with me Londim. I'll change my character to fit this new position and then post him in the forum.

Short leash...

Thats an idea. As you cansee however Alversia has left the Illuminati but I have already found a suitable replacement. You can either agree or disagree with this decision but I felt we needed a powerful hand in the Illuminati, so please welcome Blackhelm Confederacy.

Also Beta Aurigae VII would you mind if I changed it so you were the head of the media and putting out spin articles when necessary and Blackhelm became Head of Corporate Affairs. I only suggest this due to his experience of dealing with companies.

Also if anyone has objections please let them be known here.

Sound good! I haven't heard of the Blackhelm Confedaracy, so they might have a reputation for something or other, but in any case, I'm going to go see how the roster needs to be changed. (If the info isn't already there, please post it so I know.) Thanks!

-Bertoffski

P.S. I dunno about keeping these guys on a short leash... They sound hecka familiar, but otherwise, they're just the same as anyone else who's joined the Illuminati. We'll have to see some posts before we decide anything, I guess.

OOC: I'd like to join up and see where the RP takes us. A few colleques of mine are Free Masons so I have the background info to take part and I love the idea.

Sounds good to me. @ Inner Councillors: Is this someone we want to accept into the High Council? The sectors are slightly unbalanced, so we might as well. Oh, and I think some other people who wanted to join have been more or less ignored as well... Again, that's for the Inner Councillors to PM until resolved; they also get new members registered on our forums. =\

-Bertoffski

He's good for me. A new nation perhaps, but doesn't seem like a nub.

OOC: I'd like to join up and see where the RP takes us. A few colleques of mine are Free Masons so I have the background info to take part and I love the idea.

Freemasons you say. Hm...Are you too a Mason or strictly your colleagues?

Right I've noticed that some people are MIA. Dratheria I know is away but from this post the other members have 5 days to reply otherwise there will be a reshuffle.

Here.

Sounds good to me. @ Inner Councillors: Is this someone we want to accept into the High Council? The sectors are slightly unbalanced, so we might as well. Oh, and I think some other people who wanted to join have been more or less ignored as well... Again, that's for the Inner Councillors to PM until resolved; they also get new members registered on our forums. =\

-Bertoffski

I'll accept any position you sign me into, but I would like to help and keep the illuminati RP up and running, though the areas I have the most knowledge in are religion and management. I can also create a new nation if necessary and I already have one more suitable.

Freemasons you say. Hm...Are you too a Mason or strictly your colleagues?

Very curious of you to ask, but I follow a Rite.

Perhaps we should start a religion to gather peoples of the world. Or maybe not...

Perhaps we should start a religion to gather peoples of the world. Or maybe not...

Not quite sure that would be a wise idea...would it?

Not quite sure that would be a wise idea...would it?

Probably not.

Best trying to infiltrate some others instead. Less cultish that way too. :p

Come on now... Don't limit your view. I say go for the religion thing.

Noes. It's not about limiting view... it just doesn't fit ICly.

I don't agree on starting a new religion on NS which would most likely fail but instead infiltrate already existing religions and religious nations. Xeno I'm very interested in what you have to bring to this RP and would like to know your views, as well as anyone elses, on this proposal. Also, if possible, could everyone try and scout a few RPs relating to a range of subjects so we may look at them and then decide which one to try and get into first. I'll start now and if others propose them in this thread I can make a list and we'll see where we go from there.

Well, I believe I proposed it, but have since [read: immediately] decided it was a bad idea.

As for possible RPs... most I see seem to be invite only. The only other one I noticed at a brief glance is Vetaka's revolution.

This sounds cool. How do I sign up ?

This sounds cool. How do I sign up ?

You say, "I want in, please."

Then you add, "I would be a good addition because..."

And perhaps, "My ideas include..."

You say, "I want in, please."

Then you add, "I would be a good addition because..."

And perhaps, "My ideas include..."

...You can also try and register on the Illuminati forums. If you get accepted into our ranks by filling out the above, (probably not too difficult, as we do want new members) then you'll officially be registered in our ranks, and possibly even into the High Council, at least until it starts to get crowded in there. =\Here's the link. (http://www.theforsakenoutlaw.com/phpBB2/index.php)

-Bertoffski

I don't agree on starting a new religion on NS which would most likely fail but instead infiltrate already existing religions and religious nations. Xeno I'm very interested in what you have to bring to this RP and would like to know your views, as well as anyone elses, on this proposal. Also, if possible, could everyone try and scout a few RPs relating to a range of subjects so we may look at them and then decide which one to try and get into first. I'll start now and if others propose them in this thread I can make a list and we'll see where we go from there.

Creating a new religion or even cloning an existing one for our needs would require a great deal of work and most of us do not seem to support the idea. I suggest that we concentrate our effors on the ideas we have now and infiltrate other religions/political ideals for our benefit.

Right I believe I may have found our first infiltration point. Jenrak is opening an Rp about giving someone a place ihigh up in his military. I applied and asked his permision for Illuminati interference. It is allowed should my character get a place.

Good work... maybe we should add another applicant or two.

I apologize for my lack of presence lately, hectic. I've got myself a ceremony tonight but I ought to be able to get the rest of the Nachtschatten stuff up soon, if not tonight (who knows what time it'll end, these degrees take a while sometimes).

Just a heads-up, but the Illuminati were actually a group of scientists formed against the Catholic church. Also, I'd like to join. I'll see the sign-up thread.

Just a heads-up, but the Illuminati were actually a group of scientists formed against the Catholic church.

Hmmm... Reading a bit too much of Dan Brown's fiction are we?

The Illuminati were founded by freethinkers of the Enlightenment era. Simply put, Weishaupt's aims were to form a New World Order by any means necessary.

Just thought I'd toss this in here for the person who deals with business/storefronts/corporate affairs:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=530468

Hmmm... Reading a bit too much of Dan Brown's fiction are we?

The Illuminati were founded by freethinkers of the Enlightenment era. Simply put, Weishaupt's aims were to form a New World Order by any means necessary.
Yeah, I'm a Dan Brown fan. :D Ok, your fact over my fiction. Do we have a specific time period, or how does this work?

Yeah, I'm a Dan Brown fan. :D Ok, your fact over my fiction. Do we have a specific time period, or how does this work?

As am I.

Well, we are working within the NS World, so pretty much MT-PMT. I don't think we are/could say anything like 1957-1961... we are just working in MT/PMT.

ok, waiting for someone to confirm my entry into the Illuminati...

The Rogutis Agentie are also awaiting admittance.

ok, waiting for someone to confirm my entry into the Illuminati...

I'll go ahead and say yes. You'll have to register on the forums (linked somewhere in this thread).

The Rogutis Agentie are also awaiting admittance.

The entire group? Or is that a person's name?

I thought we decided to use your services...

The group... Is there more then one?

The group... Is there more then one?

What?

Well I have been reading up and I figured that Rogutis Agentie was a person. Kindda like a Jesus Christ, but evil...

No, no, no, I need a mod to register me in the forum. I've already registered, I need a confirm e-mail.

Well I have been reading up and I figured that Rogutis Agentie was a person. Kindda like a Jesus Christ, but evil...

Oh... didn't know what you were referring to. I am pretty sure there are the Black Agents and the Roguis Agents (except I don't know how to spell their name), with the latter being the evil ones. Plus, he said "The," which generally does not proceed a person's name.

No, no, no, I need a mod to register me in the forum. I've already registered, I need a confirm e-mail.

Oh, oh!

Well, I think Layarteb needs to do that, so I'll let him deal with it.

Oh, oh!

Well, I think Layarteb needs to do that, so I'll let him deal with it.

Done.

So now we're getting more members. Welcome :). So does The Rogus Agentie want to become a branch of the Illuminati or an independent organisation whos services we can use?

Done.
Thank god. Going to check E-mail...

Damn. No mail.

So now we're getting more members. Welcome :). So does The Rogus Agentie want to become a branch of the Illuminati or an independent organisation whos services we can use?


Its the Rogutis Agentie...lol

But they are a sense wanting to join your organization. And if your Wondering yes TBA is Hobbeebia and Hobbeebia is TBA.

Alright... I guess we have another private paramilitary force.

I suggest we continue with our other one as well.

Ok.. Also does anyone ever post at the off site forum?

Ok.. Also does anyone ever post at the off site forum?

There are over 27 topics and over 76 posts there. It hasn't been super active in the past few days but you have to take into account that the past week has been a busy week as most schools are letting out and finals commencing and finishing. I don't know the age demographic of the Illuminati but whether they are old or young, they're still affected.

Ok.. Also does anyone ever post at the off site forum?

Have you read every word?

I would like to join. Being a nation of people decended from the other great apes and not man, I am in a unique spot to offer unique services.

Hmmm... not sure about giant intelligent apes...

Hmmm... not sure about giant intelligent apes...

I never said they were Giant, just as big as a normal Gorilla or Orangutang. They evolved similar to man, and can stand on two legs. think planet of the Apes. It was one source of inspiration. Those weren't giant apes, just evolved apes.

Edit: Here's my factbook

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12798496#post12798496

I don't care if they are ten feet tall or two feet tall... it just involves a differnet level of reality that I tend to like to keep separate.

Meh, Still no E-mail.

Meh, Still no E-mail.

Your account is active. Could it have been tossed in the spam box? Sometimes phpBB boards get that, especially by gmail.

well I can only see two sections... so if more is going on I can see it.

Yo Layarteb... I think you need to put them into the Illuminati usergroup so they can see our forum.

well I can only see two sections... so if more is going on I can see it.

Added.

Yo Layarteb... I think you need to put them into the Illuminati usergroup so they can see our forum.

Xiscapia (Foxfire) is in the usergroup.

Well, w/e, TBA needed to be added.

Just bumping this and saying I now have more time to dedicate to this as my exams are now completely over.

Well nothing seems to be happening...

I noticed this. What happened to the spirit when everyone first was interested?

Did people lose interest :(?

I hope not because this would bring in a new era in RPing on NS. But if they have then maybe we need to have a smaller group who are still active and restart?

I hope not because this would bring in a new era in RPing on NS. But if they have then maybe we need to have a smaller group who are still active and restart?

It's entirely possible though I hope that isn't the case.

I haven't... but it seems to be harder to implement than to think up.

I am still interested, but as someone already mentioned it's difficult to impliment. Right now my Illuminati character is isolated in the mountains somewhere and completly unaware of what is going on in the world. When he returns I will see what I can do about using him to gain Illuminati a foothold in one of the conflicts brewing.

I love this whole idea, but I believe it becomes quite difficult to actually implement and RP.

It's do or die time. Fix it or kill it.