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And before this got out of any more hand, the Count had to act calm and like gentlemen unlike those green thingy called Blubs and their warmonger nature. He even liked those Blubs as they made him laugh, but would order their deaths to defend a peaceful nation. Anyways, his offer of one point five trillion was thrown back in his face because of threats, which were more like the truth then anything. He had to try something as this unneeded war was costing him billions.

Official Statement from the United Dominion

I’m going to point it for the hundredth times that I have no beef with Haven. I respect those honorable ones within Haven. I’ll order the defend of an ally and Commonwealth state, but I’ll not be seen as a warmonger and invade Haven. There isn’t a point to do that. Like I said, I don’t have beef with any Haven nation

The Second Empire, which had been peaceful and not running around threaten people until the Blubs threaten to kill their people, had signed a treaty with me. To many people, I’m seen as an insane nut job, which should be in the control of a nation or even an alliance-type thingy like the Dominion Commonwealth. But none of those people have got to know me, they have only pissed me off and found those buttons to keep me pissed off.

Right now, water can kill this unneeded flame. This war isn’t needed. This war for revenge is no worst then the reasons from the old Hatarian regimes. Revenge isn’t something you go to war over. If it was, you would have seen the United Dominion attacking the evil Kraven Corporation. Am I and my allies the only ones whom see this? If this war counties, the name of Haven will be darken and the world will look down on them forever.

So to save millions of lives on both sides, I have came up with the best option. No, it isn’t what the Blubs or even what Demons demanded early. As Lord Marshall, I can change the Treaty of the Second Age to have whatever is need. As long as the terms are fair, those terms could be added the Treaty of the Second Age.

So, as a sane man, I call all of those in this war to come to the talk and talk it over like the gentlemen and ladies we are. Do million have to die for a dishonorable cause like revenge? If needed, a neutral place can be picked for these talks.

For the free world, let’s do this without bloodshed.

Signed,
Caesar Jason Scotus Lupus
The Emperor of the United Dominion
The Lord Marshall of the Dominion Commonwealth
The Co-Regional Governor of Romania
The Count of Transylvania
The CEO and Owner of Timber Wolf Incorporated and it sub-companies

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After five hours later, another message was told to the world. It would be titled as the modified Treaty of the Second Age by the Lord Marshall.

Official Statement from the United Dominion

Attention all those within the Blub mess, I have modified the Treay of the Second Age as these warmongers don’t trust the current Hatarian ruler or even men. They haven’t broke the treaty. If they have done it, I would have already striked them down.

Treaty of the Second Age

1) The Hatarian Army, Navy, and Air Force will be used for defensive actions only.

2) There will not be more then 60 million Hatarians in the whole Hatarian Military, which includes the Hatarian Army, Navy, and Air Force in total.

3) The Hatarian Military will not have any weapons classified as Weapons of Mass Destruction, which is NBC weapons and weapons satellites to launch ‘Rods of Gods‘. Until the Lord Marshall clears the Hatarian Military to get those weapons.

4) The Hatarian Army will only be allowed no more than 200,000 tanks.

5) The Hatarian Air Force will not have long range bombers or long range strike crafts because those aren’t used for defensive actions. Fighter-bombers can be used for defensive actions.

6) The Hatarian Navy can only be allowed one Superdreadnaught, ten carriers, no submarines that have the power to launch long range attacks and the rest naval vessels designed for defensive actions. That means anti-air cruisers can be part of the Hatarian Navy.

7) The Hatarian Navy can one Superdreadnaught as a ship in that class can be used for defend action like the current Hood within the United Dominion Navy.

8) The Hatarian Navy can ten carriers as they will be used to land fighters that patrol their waters for threats of pirates or hostile naval fleets.

9) There will be not payment by the Second Empire of Hataria for reparations as they can’t currently do it. Their nation is only rebuilding with foreign aid and all of their money is going to the rebuilding and to pay for their defensive military.

10) There will not be any changes to the Hatarian government. There is the Hatarian Emperor, the Great Khan, which is a Prime Minster that will be elected into office, and the Emperor’s council.

11) There will be elections for Regional Governors of the provinces within the Second Empire.

12) There will be elections for Mayors of the rebuild cities within the Second Empire.

13) There will not be current military leaders as regional governors unless they have been born as a noble or elected into the position.

14) Within the Second Empire, there will not be mistreatment from the poor by those noble ones. There will not be slaves within the Second Empire.

15) This treaty will be a honorable an fair one and it will be treated as one by all sides.

16) The Ratifying members of this treaty will agree to aid in the rebuilding process of Hataria's Infrastructure and economic development, in exchange Hataria shall agree to have free and open trade between itself and the ratifying members of this treaty

17) This treaty can be added on to at any time.

18) This treaty can only be called off by the Lord Marshall of the Dominion Commonwealth.

19) If this treaty is broken by the Second Empire, it will be the duty of the United Dominion to drop the hammer on the current Hatarian regime. This is a Dominion Commonwealth problem and it will be treated as one, if the Second Empire breaks this treaty.

I think this will help everybody on all sides without forcing anything on the Hatarian people. Forcing their Monarchy out of power will not help anything as their people don‘t want that to happen.

Like what number 15 says, this treaty can be added to. All of this was talked over by me, Chairman Paris, and Sir Daniels. We can modify this over talks in person or over messages between each other. I’m giving the option for everybody on both sides to have their hand in this treaty. As long as the treaty is fair, I don’t think the Hatarians will not sign it.

For peace and not the loss of bloodshed, I call for everybody to act like gentlemen.

Signed,
Caesar Jason Scotus Lupus
The Emperor of the United Dominion
The Lord Marshall of the Dominion Commonwealth
The Co-Regional Governor of Romania
The Count of Transylvania
The CEO and Owner of Timber Wolf Incorporated and it sub-companies

As a member of the Dominon Commonwealth and the UFAN, I will sign this treaty, it's a very fair one, and the best one beside's Vetaka's, so I will sign it, and I implore the other's to sign it, the sooner you sign it, the sooner there's peace in Hataria.

Signed,
Lord Governor Jack Slovic
United Dominon of Calizorinstan

The Imperial Kingdom of Gataway finds this to be a most desirable treaty and will agree to sign it. The Imperial Kingdom believes this treaty will bring peace and stability to the world. As Emperor of the Imperial Kingdom I will agree to sign this treaty.

Emperor Nadov III of Gataway

The Authoritarian Empire of Pan-Arab Barronia will be most pleased to sign this treaty, if it shall prevent the unnecessary slaughter of many an innocent.

We support either this treaty or the new one drafted by Dephire.

Official Free Dominion of Vetaka Diplomatic Message:

To: <Open Communication>
From: Vetakan Foreign Affairs

Subject: Vetaka Supports Treaty

I as President of The Free Dominion of Vetaka support this Treaty and find it to be most suitiable. We will sign this treaty as required as the The Second Empire of Hataria via the Emeperor swore a Vetakan Oath of Loyalty I request that Caesar Jason Scotus Lupus officially endorse this Oath so that it is upheld with the strength that it should be upheld with.

Scarlet Rogers

President of the Free Dominion of Vetaka
Lord Governor of the Free Dominion of Vetaka
Supreme Commanding Admiral in Chief of the Vetakan Defence Force

We support either this treaty or the new one drafted by Dephire.

Official Statement from the United Dominion

This treaty is the only one that should be supported as the one by the Dephirian government doesn’t make any senses as forces the Dominion Commonwealth to not protect its ally. They should know that it is unfair and unneeded as once a pond a time, they were within the ranks of the Dominion Commonwealth.

To all those whom said that they support or will sign this treaty, a copy had been wired to you. Those copies have been signed by me, Chairman Bennet du Paris, and Sir Mason Daniels.

And to address what Lord Governor Scarlet Rogers said, the Vetakan Oath of Loyalty that the Hatarian Emperor is hereby endorse me as I respect the Vetakans. But it will not be added to the Treaty of the Second Age as number 19 says what will happen to the second Empire when or if the treaty is broken.

Signed,
Caesar Jason Scotus Lupus
The Emperor of the United Dominion
The Lord Marshall of the Dominion Commonwealth
The Co-Regional Governor of Romania
The Count of Transylvania
The CEO and Owner of Timber Wolf Incorporated and it sub-companies

Official Statement From Aurum Domus High Command

We agree to sign this treaty and the one drafted by Dephire.

1) The Hatarian Army, Navy, and Air Force will be used for defensive actions only.
Ok.


2) There will not be more then 60 million Hatarians in the whole Hatarian Military, which includes the Hatarian Army, Navy, and Air Force in total.
FIne


3) The Hatarian Military will not have any weapons classified as Weapons of Mass Destruction, which is NBC weapons and weapons satellites to launch ‘Rods of Gods‘. Until the Lord Marshall clears the Hatarian Military to get those weapons.

The Lord Marshall better not clear them, then. This is meant to stop Hataria from doing what it's been doing for the past three years. (Forum-search threads by him if you're interested.)


4) The Hatarian Army will only be allowed no more than 200,000 tanks.

Sounds like way too many.


5) The Hatarian Air Force will not have long range bombers or long range strike crafts because those aren’t used for defensive actions. Fighter-bombers can be used for defensive actions.

Fine.

6) The Hatarian Navy can only be allowed one Superdreadnaught, ten carriers, no submarines that have the power to launch long range attacks and the rest naval vessels designed for defensive actions. That means anti-air cruisers can be part of the Hatarian Navy.

Clarify. How large can the superdreadnought be? The carriers? Do SSBNs count as being able to launch long-range attacks? How about SSGNs? How about SSNs who carry torpedo-launched missiles?


7) The Hatarian Navy can one Superdreadnaught as a ship in that class can be used for defend action like the current Hood within the United Dominion Navy.

You already said this, except with a verb. Combine it with 6).


8) The Hatarian Navy can ten carriers as they will be used to land fighters that patrol their waters for threats of pirates or hostile naval fleets.

Combine with 6)


9) There will be not payment by the Second Empire of Hataria for reparations as they can’t currently do it. Their nation is only rebuilding with foreign aid and all of their money is going to the rebuilding and to pay for their defensive military.
Why don't you (or Hataria's allies) pay for the military and let it rebuild and pay reps?


10) There will not be any changes to the Hatarian government. There is the Hatarian Emperor, the Great Khan, which is a Prime Minster that will be elected into office, and the Emperor’s council.

Whatever.

11) There will be elections for Regional Governors of the provinces within the Second Empire.

12) There will be elections for Mayors of the rebuild cities within the Second Empire.

13) There will not be current military leaders as regional governors unless they have been born as a noble or elected into the position.

Combine these three.


14) Within the Second Empire, there will not be mistreatment from the poor by those noble ones. There will not be slaves within the Second Empire.

Ok.

15) This treaty will be a honorable an fair one and it will be treated as one by all sides.

Isn't this sort of granted with any treaty?


16) The Ratifying members of this treaty will agree to aid in the rebuilding process of Hataria's Infrastructure and economic development, in exchange Hataria shall agree to have free and open trade between itself and the ratifying members of this treaty

Um, how do the ratifying members of this treaty benefit from this supposedly "fair" exchange?


17) This treaty can be added on to at any time.

But not taken off of? And added on to by whom? Language needs clarification.


18) This treaty can only be called off by the Lord Marshall of the Dominion Commonwealth.

Right.


19) If this treaty is broken by the Second Empire, it will be the duty of the United Dominion to drop the hammer on the current Hatarian regime. This is a Dominion Commonwealth problem and it will be treated as one, if the Second Empire breaks this treaty.

Better be a big hammer. [/smartass]

Also, shouldn't it be enforced by the signatories? That's more standard for such treaties.


-- Inquisitor Asvel "Impartial Observer" Naelgard
The si-Thaluo Damalg'iru

The Hatarians will agree with The Treaty. and To shwo the World that Hataria will agree, The Treaty will be Signed in Kurona, a Nuetral Nation.

We support this treaty, and will be willing to dispatch a delegate to Kurona or another neutral nation to discuss the particulars. We also hope that Dephire is willing to implement portions of their own treaty in to this one to ensure that it represents a fair compromise between all sides.

I shall sign and support this treaty, since it addresses the concerns at hand and maintains reasonable assurances for all concerned parties. We thank the Lord Marshal for his work, and urge all parties to agree to this treaty. It addresses the relevant concerns, and spells out most clearly what will happen if Hataria ever regresses to its former warmongering behavior.; which their signing indicates sufficiently to us they have no intetion of. Surely this should be enough for all concerned, yes?

Whether it is done in Kurona or Hataria or Magic Sorcery or anywhere else, is irrelevant. What matters is that peace is agreed to. I or my wife and deputy would gladly visit any of those nations even without this crisis, and doubly so if said visit would bring about an end to this positively murderous situation the various parties find themselves in. That is my word on this, as a concerned party and sovereign leader.

Sincerely,
Carolinus Horridus
Commander-in-Chief, USSW War Office
Party Secretary, Wagdoggie Revolutionary Party
General Secretary, USSW Revolutionary Command Council
Lord Governor, United Socialist States of Wagdog

Official Statement from the United Dominion

To the Aurum Domus High Command: This is the only treaty that will be signed by me. The one by those…um…Dephirian is unfair to the Dominion Commonwealth as it forces us to not do what the Dominion Commonwealth was formed to do.

Now about what Inquisitor Asvel "Impartial Observer" Naelgard from Tenuria said. About the WMDs, it will be my choice to allow them those thing, but I’ll be under control of them like what I’m doing currently with the other members of the Dominion Commonwealth.

Yes, 200,000 tanks does sound like too many, but we took that number from one of those other unofficial treaties about the Second Empire.

About number 6, we can talk about that number. What type of super dreadnought? What type of carriers, which could be Champion class supercarriers or a Nimitz-class aircraft supercarriers? And we can figure out what type of submarines will be need, too. I think I’ll added number 7 and 8 with number 6.

About what you said about allies paying for the Hatarian military, that makes no bloody sense as we have to paid for our militaries. There is no reason for the Second Empire of Hataria for reparations for anything. The second Empire have lost the most in their last war. They lost all of their colonies and many of their people. Many of those people aren’t even free in those whom ruled over those former colonies.

About combining number 11, 12, and 13, there is no reason to do that. Maybe combining number 11 and 13 would be the best idea.

About how do the ratifying members of this treaty benefit from this supposedly "fair" exchange? It means that the Dominion Commonwealth or any of the current nation aiding in rebuilding aren’t the only ones to trade with the Second Empire or aid them in rebuilding.

Things can be added, but not taken off. I’ll add in that doesn’t mean things can’t be combined in number 17.

Not as this was treaty formed between the United Dominion and the Second Empire, it will be me that deals with it as this world as too many anti-Hatarian nation in it.

Signed,
Caesar Jason Scotus Lupus
The Emperor of the United Dominion
The Lord Marshall of the Dominion Commonwealth
The Co-Regional Governor of Romania
The Count of Transylvania
The CEO and Owner of Timber Wolf Incorporated and it sub-companies

The Holy Empire Of Lord Sumguy will signt this treaty, and Lord Sumguy will represent the other members of the Hegemony in signing it as well.

-Lord Sumguy,
Elected Emperor of The Holy Empire of Lord Sumguy
Hegemon

Official Statement from the United Dominion

The updated modified Treaty of the Second Age, which is fair to all sides.

Treaty of the Second Age

1) The Hatarian Army, Navy, and Air Force will be used for defensive actions only.

2) There will not be more then 60 million Hatarians in the whole Hatarian Military, which includes the Hatarian Army, Navy, and Air Force in total.

3) The Hatarian Military will not have any weapons classified as Weapons of Mass Destruction, which is NBC weapons and weapons satellites to launch ‘Rods of Gods‘. Until the Lord Marshall clears the Hatarian Military to get those weapons.

4) The Hatarian Army will only be allowed no more than 200,000 tanks.

5) The Hatarian Air Force will not have long range bombers or long range strike crafts because those aren’t used for defensive actions. Fighter-bombers can be used for defensive actions.

6) The Hatarian Navy can only be allowed one Superdreadnaught, ten carriers, no submarines that have the power to launch long range attacks and the rest naval vessels designed for defensive actions. That means anti-air cruisers can be part of the Hatarian Navy.

6A. The Hatarian Navy can one Superdreadnaught as a ship in that class can be used for defend action like the current Hood within the United Dominion Navy.

6B. The Hatarian Navy can ten carriers as they will be used to land fighters that patrol their waters for threats of pirates or hostile naval fleets.

7) There will be not payment by the Second Empire of Hataria for reparations as they can’t currently do it. Their nation is only rebuilding with foreign aid and all of their money is going to the rebuilding and to pay for their defensive military.

8) There will not be any changes to the Hatarian government. There is the Hatarian Emperor, the Great Khan, which is a Prime Minster that will be elected into office, and the Emperor’s council.

9) There will be elections for Regional Governors of the provinces within the Second Empire. There will not be current military leaders as regional governors unless they have been born of noble blood or elected into the position.

10) There will be elections for Mayors of the rebuild cities within the Second Empire.

11) There will not be current military leaders as regional governors unless they have been born as a noble or elected into the position.

12) Within the Second Empire, there will not be mistreatment from the poor by those noble ones. There will not be slaves within the Second Empire.

13) This treaty will be a honorable an fair one and it will be treated as one by all sides.

14) The Ratifying members of this treaty will agree to aid in the rebuilding process of Hataria's Infrastructure and economic development, in exchange Hataria shall agree to have free and open trade between itself and the ratifying members of this treaty

15) This treaty can be added on to at any time.

16) This treaty can only be called off by the Lord Marshall of the Dominion Commonwealth.

16) If this treaty is broken by the Second Empire, it will be the duty of the United Dominion to drop the hammer on the current Hatarian regime. This is a Dominion Commonwealth problem and it will be treated as one, if the Second Empire breaks this treaty.

We are still trying to hammer out what type of Superdreadnaught, carriers, and submarines will be allowed in the Hatarian Navy. Even figure out how many main battle tanks, light tanks and etc should be allowed in the Hatarian Army. Come on, people, we need to work this out and not issued unfair treaties like the Dephirian one or that bloody surrender treaty.

Signed,
Caesar Jason Scotus Lupus
The Emperor of the United Dominion
The Lord Marshall of the Dominion Commonwealth
The Co-Regional Governor of Romania
The Count of Transylvania
The CEO and Owner of Timber Wolf Incorporated and it sub-companies

Kampfers finds that this treaty is fair and just, and will sign this treaty.

The Allied States of Green Hawk's Congress and I find this treaty fair, so as of which I will sign it as the representative of Green Hawk.

Thomas Glower
President of Green Hawk

This leaves out one very important part. We want Hataria to issue an official apology for the indescriminate attack on Northport, and to take full responsibility for having started that war by doing so.

Ministry of State

We agree with the Blubs that there should be a formal apology for the massacre of Northport. Since the Blubs have shown they are comfortable with the treaty in its present form, this is a fully justified request on their part and we have no problem with it being added to the treaty.

Frankly, if Hataria refuses to apologize, we will withdraw our forces and declare neutrality, and invite our allies to do the same. We will not allow our men and women to die because of their pride; what they did to the Blubs was wrong and they should apologize for that crime, even if it did occur in the past. If they refuse, we feel Hataria will be entirely at fault and we do not feel we would be required to support them in this engagement anymore.

Regards,
Valerian Koysachenko, Ministry of State

We feel the same as our Vetalian and Blub friend's that Hataria should apologize for the Northport massacare, and we shall sign the treaty, that the Blub's only require this before signing the treaty is a good sign, and I hope other's won't mar it.

Lord Governor Jack Slovic
Calizorinstan

I agree aswell that an official apology needs to be given. The everyones happy. The only one who isnt happy is Trans. He's making all this shit so difficult that I'm thinking of leaving the Dominion Commonwealth.

The nation of Honako supports this treaty and hopes this war can end quickly.

Lord Governess Bourla Parkins,
Leader of Greater Honakon

Official Clandonian Response

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Open Declaration:

His Majesty's government refuses to sign such a ludicrous and such a soft treaty, this writing is nothing more than a slap on the wrist to the Hatarians, it will not stop them from going to war again. The Crown backs the treaty put forward by the neutral party of the modified Spizanian version published by Willink. The Crown demands monetary reparations to be given to the coalition with the Blubs receiving a large proportion as compensation along with the acceptance of war guilt, if not then the Crown sees this diplomatic talk as nothing more than a waste of time.

Vetalia has finally had some sense knocked into them by the Praetonians, this crisis is about Hataria, the Dominion Commonwealth, UFAN and COMECON have no place here.


God Save the King



Prime Minister David Sistilin

The treaty you propose would leave Hataria to fester, whilst you and your cronies lord it over the lands you claim, which, without doubt, would be those with such large expanses of minerals and raw materials as to leave Hataria crippled for all eternity.

We have several times offered you the chance to shape Hataria's future, by ensuring your guidance upon it's leadership, several times you have rebuked the offer. And now, you decide the time is right for genocide.

Yes, Hataria should pay reparations to the aggrieved, I do not dispute that fact. However, Hataria cannot do so at the moment! Surely it would be more civilised of you to allow it the time to renew it's infrastructure, it's industry, it's economy, and then, when it is capable, it shall pay you in good faith, knowing that you allowed them the time, and earning their respect for doing so?

The "treaty" you suggest will leave Hataria crippled for the rest of its days - reparation, and then a whole lot more. You all have been attacked by Hataria; you all have survived and your economies flourish. What right have you to then decide that a nation should then border non-existance, just because you feel aggrieved due to attacks of a previous government?

This leaves out one very important part. We want Hataria to issue an official apology for the indescriminate attack on Northport, and to take full responsibility for having started that war by doing so.

Barbarossa soon sent a Message to The Blubs telling them the Reason for The war.

There was already a War going on when you was going to launch a Invasion Fleet at Hong Kong. The Imperial Military will gave a Full Timeline of the Events Leading to The Attack on Northport

Hatarian Spy Satellites Spotted Naval Activiy in Blubland, Hatarian Spy Net soon finds out it is a Invasion Fleet heading for Hong Kong.

Hatarian Military High Command is Busy with The Planning for The Sige of Rabat, Morocco (Later Hatarian Cimmeria*) when News of The Posable Attack Comes.

Grand Admiral Ryu Plans attack against The Blub Fleet in Northport with over 5,000 Ships, But the Late Empress Neherenia Plans a more Deadly Attack.

Hatarian Space Command Prositions Godrod and Missile Satellites over Blub Land

Neherenia Orders a Godrod Attack against the Blub Fleet just as it was moving out. Thousands of Godrods are dropped, But since Godrods are not Guided Weapons like Missiles, only a few Blub Ships are Hit, Most of The Godrods Fal into the Water and on Northport.


As you can see, It was Neherenia who Ordered the Attack, I sent you an official apology for the indescriminate attack on Northport, But The one that would take The Blame has already Payed for the Attack with her Life, in Korea at the end of The Ryu no Jo'o War.

The Hatarian People are Sorry for The Attack.

There is much untrue about your version of this timeline. For one, the Blub Navy has never been able to field anywhere near that many ships.

However. Do you sign the treaty? And does Hataria accept the blame for the war? That is all we want to know.

There is much untrue about your version of this timeline. For one, the Blub Navy has never been able to field anywhere near that many ships.

However. Do you sign the treaty? And does Hataria accept the blame for the war? That is all we want to know.

Hataria will Sign it.

OOC: the 5,000 ships is Hataria's just to let you know.

There is much untrue about your version of this timeline. For one, the Blub Navy has never been able to field anywhere near that many ships.

However. Do you sign the treaty? And does Hataria accept the blame for the war? That is all we want to know.

Specify the treaty please. If you mean Willinks, then I urge Hataria to denounce that treaty, and to photocopy it, before throwing it on a log fire as tinder.

i think he's reffering to the treaty that this thread is about...

This is the treaty that we agreed to. We feel it is the most fair version of any, and hope Hataria will agree.

1. Military personel for all branches will not exceed 60 million period. This includes logistics, air force, army, navy, coast guard, marines and whatever other paramilitary services exist within Hataria. Paramilitary special-forces police may be maintained but used domesticly only.

2. No WMD's of any kind.

3. The Hatarian Naval Fleet will be limited to 50 aircraft carriers.

4. No ballistic missle submarines, or any other capability to deliver ICBMs.

5.) No long range bombers or strike craft. This means a range of 1,250 nautical miles.

6.) No more than 200,000 tanks allowed in the Hatarian army. Vehicles mounting guns of 105mm and greater count as a 'tank' for this provision.

7.) No orbital weapons systems, Survey satellites would be allowed with no weapons capabilities. Pearce Weapons Inc would offer a free OBSAT Defence System with only Defence Capacity.

8.)The Hatarian Navy will be allowed 1 Superdeadnaught to act as a Flagship, the Hatarian navy would be allowed a naval fleet for self-defense.

9. The Second Empire will allow inspections of military installations 3 times a year by a Joint International Committee provisonally consisting of Blubland, Clandonia, Transylvania, Vetalia and Questers to verify compliance to this treaty.

10. Hataria can not produce a surplus of any type of weapon except for export sales. Nor may they keep a 'reserve' or 'leased' force overseas as a means of bypassing this article.

11. This Treaty will be reviewed within a period of 90 NS Years (3 RL Months) with the intent to ease the restrictions. The reviewing body will consist of the following nations Blubland, Transylvania, Vetalia and Questers.

12. Blub will not pursue revenge or hostilities with Hataria and both nations agree to be formally be diplomatically civil towards each other in the future.

13. The Ratifying members of this treaty will agree to aid in the rebuilding process of Hataria's infrastructure and economic development, in exchange Hataria shall agree to have free and open trade between itself and the ratifying members of this treaty

This is the treaty that we agreed to. We feel it is the most fair version of any, and hope Hataria will agree.

1. Military personel for all branches will not exceed 60 million period. This includes logistics, air force, army, navy, coast guard, marines and whatever other paramilitary services exist within Hataria. Paramilitary special-forces police may be maintained but used domesticly only.

2. No WMD's of any kind.

3. The Hatarian Naval Fleet will be limited to 50 aircraft carriers.

4. No ballistic missle submarines, or any other capability to deliver ICBMs.

5.) No long range bombers or strike craft. This means a range of 1,250 nautical miles.

6.) No more than 200,000 tanks allowed in the Hatarian army. Vehicles mounting guns of 105mm and greater count as a 'tank' for this provision.

7.) No orbital weapons systems, Survey satellites would be allowed with no weapons capabilities. Pearce Weapons Inc would offer a free OBSAT Defence System with only Defence Capacity.

8.)The Hatarian Navy will be allowed 1 Superdeadnaught to act as a Flagship, the Hatarian navy would be allowed a naval fleet for self-defense.

9. The Second Empire will allow inspections of military installations 3 times a year by a Joint International Committee provisonally consisting of Blubland, Clandonia, Transylvania, Vetalia and Questers to verify compliance to this treaty.

10. Hataria can not produce a surplus of any type of weapon except for export sales. Nor may they keep a 'reserve' or 'leased' force overseas as a means of bypassing this article.

11. This Treaty will be reviewed within a period of 90 NS Years (3 RL Months) with the intent to ease the restrictions. The reviewing body will consist of the following nations Blubland, Transylvania, Vetalia and Questers.

12. Blub will not pursue revenge or hostilities with Hataria and both nations agree to be formally be diplomatically civil towards each other in the future.

13. The Ratifying members of this treaty will agree to aid in the rebuilding process of Hataria's infrastructure and economic development, in exchange Hataria shall agree to have free and open trade between itself and the ratifying members of this treaty

The One Hataria Agreed to is Trans Treaty.

OOC: Actually, it seems to me that, except for requiring military inspections, the treaty Blub just posted is actually a bit lighter than the one in the first post.

OOC: Plus remember Hataria, everyone, Trans said that this treaty could be added onto by all sides in the OP. As long as the basic framework remains intact, we should be fine here with the Blubs' proposals actually; but let's stay careful all the same. Perhaps we should propose these terms as amendments instead for his later review?

We have infact, lightened the terms somewhat while taking away the provisions for Transylvania to basicly 'void' the terms whenever he wants.

We felt very generous in presentation of these articles and we are insulted that Hataria again refuses them, when infact they are very reasonable. We ask one final time. Is it Hataria's final decision to refuse these terms?

1. Military personel for all branches will not exceed 60 million period. This includes logistics, air force, army, navy, coast guard, marines and whatever other paramilitary services exist within Hataria. Paramilitary special-forces police may be maintained but used domesticly only.

2. No WMD's of any kind.

3. The Hatarian Naval Fleet will be limited to 50 aircraft carriers.

4. No ballistic missle submarines, or any other capability to deliver ICBMs.

5.) No long range bombers or strike craft. This means a range of 1,250 nautical miles.

6.) No more than 200,000 tanks allowed in the Hatarian army. Vehicles mounting guns of 105mm and greater count as a 'tank' for this provision.

7.) No orbital weapons systems, Survey satellites would be allowed with no weapons capabilities. Pearce Weapons Inc would offer a free OBSAT Defence System with only Defence Capacity.

8.)The Hatarian Navy will be allowed 1 Superdeadnaught to act as a Flagship, the Hatarian navy would be allowed a naval fleet for self-defense.

9. The Second Empire will allow inspections of military installations 3 times a year by a Joint International Committee provisonally consisting of Blubland, Clandonia, Transylvania, Vetalia and Questers to verify compliance to this treaty.

10. Hataria can not produce a surplus of any type of weapon except for export sales. Nor may they keep a 'reserve' or 'leased' force overseas as a means of bypassing this article.

11. This Treaty will be reviewed within a period of 90 NS Years (3 RL Months) with the intent to ease the restrictions. The reviewing body will consist of the following nations Blubland, Transylvania, Vetalia and Questers.

12. Blub will not pursue revenge or hostilities with Hataria and both nations agree to be formally be diplomatically civil towards each other in the future.

13. The Ratifying members of this treaty will agree to aid in the rebuilding process of Hataria's infrastructure and economic development, in exchange Hataria shall agree to have free and open trade between itself and the ratifying members of this treaty

50 aircraft carriers.

WAY too many, and there's no mentioning of what happens if Hataria breaks the treaty.
Other than that, I'm fine with this treaty.

OOC: Agreed about the second, neutral on the carriers. The provisions for noncompliance must remain as they are key to the treaty. However, they should be jointly discussed so that perhaps international involvement could be maintained. Also, Hataria, check TG's. Thanks.

I think we already know what will happen when this treaty is broken.

Yeah, its safe to say that if Hat breaks this treaty, the biggest army in Christendom is going to lay the smack down upon him.

That said, 50 Aircraft Carriers is a lot...if you're going with that many, set a size limit/aircraft numbers limit.

OOC: Hmm, I'm imagining a glass covered country so shiny that it can be seen from space.

That said, 50 Aircraft Carriers is a lot...if you're going with that many, set a size limit/aircraft numbers limit.

Our navy has about 10 times as many carriers of all classes than Hataria is allowed to under this treaty (of course, 50% of them are in drydock at any time since we're not at war), so if they try anything, the wrath of the Gods will be brought down upon them.

As a member of the DC we to it that we will sign this treaty in hopes of a better future for Hataria.

Aimless von strangaild.

We will not wait much longer for a final answer.

We have signed the treaty, and have started pulling our force's out, for the delay that Hataria's making is too much, so we've pulled the troop's off shore onto a carrier fleet headed for home, and we've gradully pulled our fighter's out, and we hope that there won't be war.

Lord Governor Jack Slovic
Calizorinstan

We shall sign this revised treaty, and have begun withdrawing our forces as well as Vetaka's (per our joint command in this theater) to our homelands in hopes to de-escalate the still deadly tensions. This will take some time, but our two nations' involvement here is officially over as far as we're concerned; and we shall not engage except in self-defense. We thank the Blub Colony and Concerned Nations for being as flexible as they have, and hope that this step to peace shall succeed. If Hataria refuses, frankly we will be disappointed with the irresponsibility such would show on the Second Empire's part, and would ourselves consider our obligations to them voided in that event.

Sincerely,
Carolinus Horridus
Commander-in-Chief, USSW War Office
Party Secretary, Wagdoggie Revolutionary Party
General Secretary, USSW Revolutionary Command Council
Lord Governor, United Socialist States of Wagdog

Official Statement from the United Dominion

The updated modified Treaty of the Second Age, which is fair to all sides.

Treaty of the Second Age

1) The Hatarian Army, Navy, and Air Force will be used for defensive actions only.

2) There will not be more then 60 million Hatarians in the whole Hatarian Military, which includes the Hatarian Army, Navy, and Air Force in total.

3) The Hatarian Military will not have any weapons classified as Weapons of Mass Destruction, which is NBC weapons and weapons satellites to launch ‘Rods of Gods‘. Until the Lord Marshall clears the Hatarian Military to get those weapons.

4) The Hatarian Army will only be allowed no more than 200,000 tanks.

5) The Hatarian Air Force will not have long range bombers or long range strike crafts because those aren’t used for defensive actions. Fighter-bombers can be used for defensive actions.

6) The Hatarian Navy can only be allowed one Superdreadnaught, ten carriers, no submarines that have the power to launch long range attacks and the rest naval vessels designed for defensive actions. That means anti-air cruisers can be part of the Hatarian Navy.

6A. The Hatarian Navy can one Superdreadnaught as a ship in that class can be used for defend action like the current Hood within the United Dominion Navy.

6B. The Hatarian Navy can ten carriers as they will be used to land fighters that patrol their waters for threats of pirates or hostile naval fleets.

7) There will be not payment by the Second Empire of Hataria for reparations as they can’t currently do it. Their nation is only rebuilding with foreign aid and all of their money is going to the rebuilding and to pay for their defensive military.

8) There will not be any changes to the Hatarian government. There is the Hatarian Emperor, the Great Khan, which is a Prime Minster that will be elected into office, and the Emperor’s council.

9) There will be elections for Regional Governors of the provinces within the Second Empire. There will not be current military leaders as regional governors unless they have been born of noble blood or elected into the position.

10) There will be elections for Mayors of the rebuild cities within the Second Empire.

11) There will not be current military leaders as regional governors unless they have been born as a noble or elected into the position.

12) Within the Second Empire, there will not be mistreatment from the poor by those noble ones. There will not be slaves within the Second Empire.

13) This treaty will be a honorable an fair one and it will be treated as one by all sides.

14) The Ratifying members of this treaty will agree to aid in the rebuilding process of Hataria's Infrastructure and economic development, in exchange Hataria shall agree to have free and open trade between itself and the ratifying members of this treaty

15) This treaty can be added on to at any time.

16) This treaty can only be called off by the Lord Marshall of the Dominion Commonwealth.

16) If this treaty is broken by the Second Empire, it will be the duty of the United Dominion to drop the hammer on the current Hatarian regime. This is a Dominion Commonwealth problem and it will be treated as one, if the Second Empire breaks this treaty.

We are still trying to hammer out what type of Superdreadnaught, carriers, and submarines will be allowed in the Hatarian Navy. Even figure out how many main battle tanks, light tanks and etc should be allowed in the Hatarian Army. Come on, people, we need to work this out and not issued unfair treaties like the Dephirian one or that bloody surrender treaty.

Signed,
Caesar Jason Scotus Lupus
The Emperor of the United Dominion
The Lord Marshall of the Dominion Commonwealth
The Co-Regional Governor of Romania
The Count of Transylvania
The CEO and Owner of Timber Wolf Incorporated and it sub-companies

This Treaty is now Signed

Emperor Barbarossa The Second of The Second Empire of Hataria

The Armed Capitalist Republic of The Silver Sky
http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/the_silver_sky.jpg
"Ad Maiorem Dei Gloriam!"

We will only agree to this. It should prove to be loophole free and fairer for all parties, not just the DC/Hataria[but still far to them]. We urge all ratifying parties to ratify it immediately.


1) The Hatarian Army, Navy, and Air Force will be used for defensive actions only. This includes counteracting to reply an invasion forces, but does not included attacks on an enemies land/homeland/colonies and also does not included defending allies from foreign aggression.

2) There will not be more then 50 million personal [of all nationalities, including trainers/advisors, mercenaries, privateers, holders of letters of marque] in the whole Hatarian Military, which includes the Hatarian Army, Navy, Air Force, Space Force in total. Under no circumstances will conscription of drafting be allowed in Hataria. Also, police forces shall not be equipped with anything bigger then a 5.56mm assault rifle and pump action shotguns, and their numbers shall not exceed 15 million, and they can operate no vehicles capable of resisting more then 5.56mm NATO.

2A) No private military companies or security companies will be allowed to operate within Hataria or assist Hatarian forces if the contracted forces push the hatarian military above 50 million troops and other limits set below.

3) The Hatarian Military will not have any weapons classified as Weapons of Mass Destruction, which is NBC weapons and, ‘Rods of Gods‘. The ban on NBC extends as far to say that no uranium enrichment facilties will be placed with Hataria, all Hatarian Nuclear Reactors will be controlled by No Endorse, which will sell the waste for money and give the money to Hataria to rebuild/make reperation payments. Under no circumstances will a Hatarian Citizen/Soldier/Government Operative/Special Force be given command of an allies WMDs, or request a strike with said WMDs without the unanimous approval of the ratifying members of this treaty. Also, under no circumstance will Hataria be able to buy weapons grade uranium from a foreign/domestic source.

The Hatarian Military will not operate[wether Hatarian, or foreign owned, includeds contracting] spacecraft capable of using any type of weapons, wether designed to or being able to be modified to, and satellites will be similary unarmed, defences for these satellites will be provided by the DC/UFAN. Space stations, wether civilian or military, are also banned from carrying weapons and can be no bigger then Skylab, and cannot be used to target weapons. A total ban on space outposts built on the moon, other planets, and asteroids will be in effect. A ban on spaceplanes either owned/operated by the Hatarian government/businesses or contracted out will be in effect.

4) The Hatarian Army will only be allowed no more than 200,000 armored vehicles. Armored Vehicles are defined as armored vehicles with guns equal to or in excess of 105mm, railgun/coil gun type weapons, weighing in excess of 40 tons, or capable of defeating 14.5mm ammunition, or missiles.

The Hatarian Army will be allowed no more then 500,000 lightly armored vehicles capable of defeating 5.56 NATO/7.62x39mm ammunition. Anything not capable of defeating these munitions will be classified as unarmored, and will be limited to 800,000.

5) The Hatarian Air Force will not have air combat aircraft with ranges/payload exceeding an F-22 with full external fuel tanks, wether it be in ferry or combat mode. Bombers will not be capable of more then the range/payload of the B-70, and will not be capable of being modified into AAM busses. Fighter bombers will not have ranges exceeding the F-22 or payload greater then the F-111. Strike craft will have ranges and payloads equal to or less then the A-6 intruder.

No stealth aircraft will be allow to be commanded by Hatarian people.

Air Force will be limited to 125,000 planes of any type, and 75,000 helicopters/rotodynes.

6) The Hatarian Navy can only be allowed the following:
1 Super Dreadnought/Super Capital [No greater then the hoods max displacement, no guns greater then 31"]
10 Fleet Carriers [No greater then 120,000 tons, max capacity of 100 F-18 sized fighters]
10 Battleships/Battlecruisers [>40,000 tons but <400,000 tons, no guns greater then 21"]
250 Cruisers [<25,000 tons, guns less then or equal to 10"]
650 Destroyers [<14,000 tons, guns less then or equal to 6.1"]
3000 Frigates/Patrol Vessels [<5,000 tons, guns less then or equal to 3"]
200 Convetional Submarines [<8,000 tons, no missile launch capability, maxed at 533mm tubes]

NO vessels capable of landing large contingents[>20] soldiers of troops or carrying ships capable of such actions, or vessels designed to carry supplies for landing forces.

NO limit on vessels under 1,500 tons with a single gun under 3".

Only vessels >100,000 tons, or nuclear submarines may carry nuclear reactors, which will be run by No Endorsians, who will also confiscate nuclear waste. Also, only carriers will be permited to carry aircraft, helicopters can be placed on any ship, and the Navy will be unable to base aircraft on shore bases, that is the duty of the airforce, and the same rules that apply to the airforce apply to the naval air arm.

Under no circumstances will Hataria be allowed to command foreign fleets with enough ships to make the navy go over it's limits set here.

7) Cap on Military Production Capability/Spending:

30 trillion USD Military Spending Cap [Money spent on military, not money put into budget]

Military production capacity should be limited to 100,000 firearms[pistol type] per month 400 tanks per month, 1000 other armored vehicles per month, 2000 unarmored vehicles, 100 aircraft of F-22 size per month, 5 aircraft of C-5 size month, 10 ships of >100,000 tons but less then 1 million tons, 40 ships of less then 100,000 tons, space lift capacity of less then 30 tons per month.

Also, under no circumstances should Hatarian companies gain access to foreign based construction, and no foreign entity will be able to supply hataria with more then these number of units per month. And under no circumstances should the combined production of Hataria and any foreign entity supplying Hatarian military with weapons exceed the limits previously sent down.

Experts from No Endorse will inspect production facilities once a month and audits will be conducted by a neutral nation.

8) Hataria will make payments to nations it has unlawfully engaged in combat with and did not end in a treaty within the last 2 years, money made from the selling of nuclear waste by No Endorse and from the DC will be used to pay for this. Reperations per nation will not exceeed 1 trillion USD and must be payed within 50 years [50 RL days]

9) There will not be any changes to the Hatarian government. There is the Hatarian Emperor, the Great Khan, which is a Prime Minster that will be elected into office, and the Emperor’s council.

There will be elections for Regional Governors of the provinces within the Second Empire. There will not be current military leaders as regional governors unless they have been born of noble blood or elected into the position. There will be elections for Mayors of the rebuild cities within the Second Empire. There will not be current military leaders as regional governors unless they have been born as a noble or elected into the position.

10) Within the Second Empire, there will not be mistreatment from the poor by those noble ones. There will not be slaves within the Second Empire.

11) This treaty will be a honorable an fair one and it will be treated as one by all sides.

12) The Ratifying members of this treaty will agree to not HINDER the rebuilding process of Hataria's Infrastructure and economic development.

13) This treaty can be added on to at any time. With the consent of at least 66% of the ratifying states.

Ratifying States:
Hataria
The Transylvania
DC[As a whole not including trans]
UFAN[as a whole]
COMECON[as a whole, not including Praetonia]
Praetonia
The Silver Sky
The Blub Colony
Clandonia
Dephire

14) This treaty can only be called off by a 3/4 majority vote of ratifying states.

If this treaty is broken by the Second Empire, it will be the duty of the ratifying states to drop the hammer on the current Hatarian regime. This is a signees only problem and it will be treated as one, if the Second Empire breaks this treaty.

Signed,

Kara H. Maddox
Kara H. Maddox
President, The Silver Sky

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=528301

OOC: Edited my post to by my own treaty proposal, please read again.

Hataria and Transylvania you are both criminals and anyone who supports you from this point onward are also criminals. We have given extremely fair terms, and instead you try to present us with your piece of garbage treaty which actually FAVORS Hataria instead of punishes.

Then we have no other choice than to go to war. We have repeatedly outlined the version of the treaty we were willing to sign, only to be ignored.

The. War. Is. On.

Blub, please don't shoot at my troop's, they are doing the sensible thing pulling out, and from henceforth, I resign from the Dominon Commonwealth, but I will stay with the UFAN, the Count I will no longer recognize, for he's ruined the talks beyond recognition, so Blub, I am neutral in this conflict, and my Lord Governor is henceforth called the "Emperor of Calizorinstan", the only thing sensible is to resign from the Dominion Commonwealth, and Translyanvia, if you want to attack me, I dare you too, for other's that hate you will pile one me, you call me name's all you want, but I am sick and tired of your diplomacy, you try to attack me, well Blub's no longer my enemy. Guess who it is?

SIC:

To:Wagdog
From:The Emperor of Calizorinstan

I've just resigned from the DC for reason's in the Hatarian theater that I cannot control, I fear that Transylvania will use force against me, so will you and Vetalia help me in this matter?
Jack Slovic

We are going to give a short time for all parties which have offered Hataria support to withdraw. Many stated that if Hataria refused to come to a sensible agreement and not Transylvania's "Sign this treaty, and I have the authority to void it at any time" treaty, then they would also withdraw support.

We've withdrawn, and we still offer our support for the treaty, even though the Count's gone mad, and refuses to listen to reason.

Hataria and Transylvania you are both criminals and anyone who supports you from this point onward are also criminals. We have given extremely fair terms, and instead you try to present us with your piece of garbage treaty which actually FAVORS Hataria instead of punishes.

Then we have no other choice than to go to war. We have repeatedly outlined the version of the treaty we were willing to sign, only to be ignored.

The. War. Is. On.

Pah! Fair terms? You demanded a surrender! Hardly fair, to effectively obliterate the hard work of several nations in rebuilding a nation.

Sir, you disgust us. All diplomatic ties are being henceforth cut off from your nation. If you should wish to contact us, you may do so through COMECON. Anything addressed directly to us will be used as tinder.

As for your intended genocide, our troops are pulling out, as they have completed their objective - the Chancelloress, along with important members of staff are headed outbound from Hataria at around Mach 3 as we speak.

Any attempt to remove this aircraft from the air will be met with severe repurcussions for the perpetrators, and not only from this nation.

We hope that the radiated air around Hataria from previous WMD strikes will not provide too much of a...distraction...for your men.

Blub, please don't shoot at my troop's, they are doing the sensible thing pulling out, and from henceforth, I resign from the Dominon Commonwealth, but I will stay with the UFAN, the Count I will no longer recognize, for he's ruined the talks beyond recognition, so Blub, I am neutral in this conflict, and my Lord Governor is henceforth called the "Emperor of Calizorinstan", the only thing sensible is to resign from the Dominion Commonwealth, and Translyanvia, if you want to attack me, I dare you too, for other's that hate you will pile one me, you call me name's all you want, but I am sick and tired of your diplomacy, you try to attack me, well Blub's no longer my enemy. Guess who it is?

SIC:

To:Wagdog
From:The Emperor of Calizorinstan

I've just resigned from the DC for reason's in the Hatarian theater that I cannot control, I fear that Transylvania will use force against me, so will you and Vetalia help me in this matter?
Jack Slovic
Seeing no other option, we also publicly tender our resignation from the Dominion Commonwealth; and will refuse any aid to them. Caesar Lupus has failed to conduct himself as a proper ally, and I am certain our Vetakan friends shall heed this message of mine to withdraw as well. We shall remain in UFAN, and urge all of our allies there still in the DC to withdraw at once. Again, we ask of the Blubs and Concerned Nations what time is needed to withdraw our own and Vetakan forces, which is already proceeding and shall be accelerated as fast as logistically possible.

Sincerely,
Carolinus Horridus
Commander-in-Chief, USSW War Office
Party Secretary, Wagdoggie Revolutionary Party
General Secretary, Revolutionary Command Council, United Socialist States of Wagdog

SIC:
EMERGENCY ENCRYPTED MESSAGE
From: General Secretary Carolinus Horridus
To: Emperor of Calizorinstan

We shall aid you if needed, and are recommending that Hataria be expelled from UFAN due to their patent irresponsibility in this matter violating their Loyalty Oath. Note that any such aid will be in your own territory as far as we know, since we wish no involvement in this geographic theater whatsoever. An emergency session of UFAN will be readied soon, and we shall make the recommendation either we or Vetaka call for Hataria's expulsion at once; depending on who is able to first. Rest assured, it shall be done.

http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a335/shaddamIV/VetalianBanner.jpg
Ministry of Defense

To all nations involved:

Effective immediately, all Vetalian military forces will withdraw from Hataria. This includes the ground, air, and naval forces previously detailed by our government and deployed around the nation of Hataria. Reconstruction crews will remain, but in the event that they are proven to be in danger we will relocate them to secure areas to prevent their harm.

We will also halt our mobilization for war and rescind our DEFCON levels to their pre-conflict levels. Within one week, our defenses and military infrastructure in the country will be entirely dismantled and withdrawal from Hataria will be complete.

-Proconsul Alexei Vlasikov

SIC:
To:General Secretary Carolinus Horridus
From:Emperor of Calizorinstan, Jack Slovic

Our force's have all withdrawn from Hataria, we've pulled Adm.Arnold, and all our airplane's, we've disconnected critcal wire's in the Hatarian F-9's and disabled their software, leaving them to figure out how to fix it, we also recommend that the UFAN kick Hataria out at once, I believe that Translyvania will react to us leaving peacefully, but I also see him attacking, so I am wary of him.

ENCRYPTED MESSAGE---ATTN: General Secretary Caronlinus Horridus---SUBJECT: Mrs Christine Friedrich

Sir,

I have been asked to personally reassure you of Mrs Friedrich's safe departure from Hataria.

She is currently travelling in one of the PABAS 1st VIP Transport Squadron's HSST-500 models, a passenger liner capable of over Mach 3 in speed. We can assure you with no sleep lost that Mrs Friedrich will be returned safely to Wagdog.

END MESSAGE


.

Official Free Dominion of Vetaka Diplomatic Message:

To: <Open Communication>
From: Vetakan Ambassador to Wagdog

Subject: Vetakan Resignation of the Dominion Commonwealth

Due to the current rebellion within the Free Dominion of Vetaka we are unsure as to wether the Vetakan Cabinet is alive or dead as such in order to prevent loss of life I as Emergancy Foreign Secretary of Vetaka hearby formally announce the The Free Dominion of Vetaka's resignation from the Dominion Commonwealth and formally recommend to the UFAN Councils that the Second Empire of Hataria be expelled from the Alliance.

Yours

Susan Harper

Emergancy Vetakan Foreign Secretary
Free Dominion of Vetaka Ambassador to Wagdog

Aurum Domus High Command

We formally withdraw from this conflict.

Hataria and Transylvania you are both criminals and anyone who supports you from this point onward are also criminals. We have given extremely fair terms, and instead you try to present us with your piece of garbage treaty which actually FAVORS Hataria instead of punishes.

Then we have no other choice than to go to war. We have repeatedly outlined the version of the treaty we were willing to sign, only to be ignored.

The. War. Is. On.

We were About to sign it, Till you suddenly said The War was on. Surely we can come up with some type of agreement to stop this useless War that will only kill Millions, posably Billions of People, this isn't The time for war, Peace is the Only Anwser now.

Signed: Emperor Barbarossa II of Hataria

At present, No Endorse will accept no treaty other than the one proposed by the Armed Capitalist Republic of The Silver Sky. Despite Praetonian protests, we have not seen any other remotely acceptable treaty proposal, and will support this one unless a superior specimen is provided.

-Official Statement, No Endorse Ministry of Foreign Affaris

TO: Nations of the World

At this moment, Kampferian troops are withdrawing from Hataria. We find the foolishness of most nations involved quite undermining, and will break off all ties (if we have any) with The Blub Colony. Hataria is walking a thin line.

Sincerely,
Fuhrer Richtoff

(OOC: Expect my resignation from the DC soon)

The Armed Capitalist Republic of The Silver Sky
http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/the_silver_sky.jpg
"Ad Maiorem Dei Gloriam!"

We will only agree to this. It should prove to be loophole free and fairer for all parties, not just the DC/Hataria[but still far to them]. We urge all ratifying parties to ratify it immediately.


1) The Hatarian Army, Navy, and Air Force will be used for defensive actions only. This includes counteracting to reply an invasion forces, but does not included attacks on an enemies land/homeland/colonies and also does not included defending allies from foreign aggression.

2) There will not be more then 50 million Personal [of all nationalities, including trainers/advisors, mercenaries, privateers, holders of letters of marque] in the whole Hatarian Military, which includes the Hatarian Army, Navy, and Air Force in total.

2A) No private military companies or security companies will be allowed to operate within Hataria or assist Hatarian forces if the contracted forces push the hatarian military above 50 million troops and other limits set below.

3) The Hatarian Military will not have any weapons classified as Weapons of Mass Destruction, which is NBC weapons and, ‘Rods of Gods‘. The ban on NBC extends as far to say that no uranium enrichment facilties will be placed with Hataria, all Hatarian Nuclear Reactors will be controlled by No Endorse, which will sell the waste for money and give the money to Hataria to rebuild/make reperation payments. Under no circumstances will a Hatarian Citizen/Soldier/Government Operative/Special Force be given command of an allies WMDs, or request a strike with said WMDs without the unanimous approval of the ratifying members of this treaty. Also, under no circumstance will Hataria be able to buy weapons grade uranium from a foreign/domestic source.

4) The Hatarian Army will only be allowed no more than 200,000 armored vehicles. Armored Vehicles are defined as armored vehicles with guns equal to or in excess of 105mm, railgun/coil gun type weapons, weighing in excess of 40 tons, or capable of defeating 14.5mm ammunition, or missiles.

The Hatarian Army will be allowed no more then 500,000 lightly armored vehicles capable of defeating 5.56 NATO/7.62x39mm ammunition. Anything no capable of defeating these munitions will be classified as unarmored, and will be limited to 800,000.

5) The Hatarian Air Force will not have air combat aircraft with ranges/payload exceeding an F-22 with full external fuel tanks, wether it be in ferry or combat mode. Bombers will not be capable of more then the range/payload of the B-70, and will not be capable of being modified into AAM busses. Fighter bombers will not have ranges exceeding the F-22 or payload greater then the F-111. Strike craft will have ranges and payloads equal to or less then the A-6 intruder.

No stealth aircraft will be allow to be commanded by Hatarian people.

6) The Hatarian Navy can only be allowed the following:
1 Super Dreadnought/Super Capital [No greater then the hoods max displacement, no guns greater then 31"]
10 Fleet Carriers [No greater then 120,000 tons, max capacity of 100 F-18 sized fighters]
10 Battleships/Battlecruisers [>40,000 tons but <400,000 tons, no guns greater then 21"]
250 Cruisers [<25,000 tons, guns less then or equal to 10"]
650 Destroyers [<14,000 tons, guns less then or equal to 6.1"]
3000 Frigates/Patrol Vessels [<5,000 tons, guns less then or equal to 3"]
200 Convetional Submarines [<8,000 tons, no missile launch capability, maxed at 533mm tubes]

NO vessels capable of landing large contingents[>20] soldiers of troops or carrying ships capable of such actions, or vessels designed to carry supplies for landing forces.

NO limit on vessels under 1,500 tons with a single gun under 3".

Only vessels >100,000 tons, or nuclear submarines may carry nuclear reactors, which will be run by No Endorsians, who will also confiscate nuclear waste.

Under no circumstances will Hataria be allowed to command foreign fleets with enough ships to make the navy go over it's limits set here.

7) Cap on Military Production Capability/Spending:

30 trillion USD Military Spending Cap [Money spent on military, not money put into budget]

Military production capacity should be limited to 100,000 firearms[pistol type] per month 400 tanks per month, 1000 other armored vehicles per month, 2000 unarmored vehicles, 100 aircraft of F-22 size per month, 5 aircraft of C-5 size month, 10 ships of >100,000 tons but less then 1 million tons, 40 ships of less then 100,000 tons, space lift capacity of less then 30 tons per month.

Also, under no circumstances should Hatarian companies gain access to foreign based construction, and no foreign entity will be able to supply hataria with more then these number of units per month. And under no circumstances should the combined production of Hataria and any foreign entity supplying Hatarian military with weapons exceed the limits previously sent down.

Experts from No Endorse will inspect production facilities once a month and audits will be conducted by a neutral nation.

8) Hataria will make payments to nations it has unlawfully engaged in combat with and did not end in a treaty within the last 2 years, money made from the selling of nuclear waste by No Endorse and from the DC will be used to pay for this. Reperations per nation will not exceeed 1 trillion USD and must be payed within 50 years [50 RL days]

9) There will not be any changes to the Hatarian government. There is the Hatarian Emperor, the Great Khan, which is a Prime Minster that will be elected into office, and the Emperor’s council.

There will be elections for Regional Governors of the provinces within the Second Empire. There will not be current military leaders as regional governors unless they have been born of noble blood or elected into the position.

There will be elections for Mayors of the rebuild cities within the Second Empire.
There will not be current military leaders as regional governors unless they have been born as a noble or elected into the position.

10) Within the Second Empire, there will not be mistreatment from the poor by those noble ones. There will not be slaves within the Second Empire.

11) This treaty will be a honorable an fair one and it will be treated as one by all sides.

12) The Ratifying members of this treaty will agree to no HINDER the rebuilding process of Hataria's Infrastructure and economic development.

13) This treaty can be added on to at any time. With the consent of at least 66% of the ratifying states.

Ratifying States:
Hataria
The Transylvania
DC[As a whole not including trans]
UFAN[as a whole]
COMECON[as a whole, not including Praetonia]
Praetonia
The Silver Sky
The Blub Colony
Clandonia
Dephire

14) This treaty can only be called off by a 3/4 majority vote of ratifying states.

If this treaty is broken by the Second Empire, it will be the duty of the ratifying states to drop the hammer on the current Hatarian regime. This is a signees only problem and it will be treated as one, if the Second Empire breaks this treaty.

Signed,

Kara H. Maddox
Kara H. Maddox
President, The Silver Sky

Seeing as it's simply a more in-depth version of our own treaty, this is the one we will sign. We wait for Hataria to also sign this document.

The Hatarians, after looking at all treaties have decided to make our own Treaty that will be fair to all Parties that were dragged into this.

OOC: I will post it as soon as I can, got a Bit of The Flu.

Unacceptable. You'll sign the documents presented, or the war continues.

Hataria Treaty of Fairness.

(1) Hatarian Military will be Defensive in Nature, Offenseve only of needed.

(2) Hatarian Army will only be at 40,000,000 troops at Peacetime, max Wartime limit if numbers will be 80,000,000 Troops.

(3) The Hatarian Government will pay The Blubs $12,000,000,000 in Gold for The Damges it caused in The Attack on Northport and say sorry to the Blub Governmet for The Attack.

(4) The Hatarian Navy will be used for defense, and Anti-Piracy Operations. Offensive Operations only if needed.

(5) No WMDs are to be made in Hataria or given to anyone, They will all be Destroyed.

(6) The Haven Region is to stay out of Hatarian Affairs from now on after this Treaty is Signed

(7) Weapons inpectors for Nuetral Nations will be allowed into Hataria to make sure that all Hatarian WMDs are Destroyed.

(8) The Hatarian Government will only be Changed by The Hatarians Only!

(9) The Blubs will be allowed a Embassy in Hataropoils.

(10) that this and all Treaties be Talked about in Peace talks in Kurona.

Signed: Emperor Barbarossa II of Hataria.

Hataria Treaty of Fairness.

(1) Hatarian Military will be Defensive in Nature, Offenseve only of needed.

(4) The Hatarian Navy will be used for defense, and Anti-Piracy Operations. Offensive Operations only if needed.



Define 'if needed', for all Blub knows 'needed' could mean 'needed for revenge'.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12710290&postcount=4 doubt it will help, though. :-/

Offical Statement
As a Neutral Party to this whole affair our objective and neutral opinion is that the Silver Skyian Treaty dispite being from a Havan Member is acceptable; detailed and fair to both Hataria to guarantee its saftey and binding to prevent Hataria Agression.

We would Advise his Highness; to sign the treaty henceforth.

The Silver Sky treaty is far more comprehensive, and does not require Hataria to 'pay' Blubland a dime. We still fully support the Silver Sky version and ask Hataria to sign The Silver Sky treaty.

While I realize we said "This is your final chance" several times now, well. We mean it this time. We have been delayed by allies of our own and friends of Hataria who have tried to keep the peace, who said 'Give Hataria time to sign the Silver Sky treaty' and we have waited.

Instead of signing the reasonable treaty which The Silver Sky presented, Hataria chose to write it's own treaty. Well guess what. You are in no position to negotiate and should be thankful that we have delayed the war for this long and given such generous terms in the Silver Sky document.

Hataria's terms were thus:

(1) Hatarian Military will be Defensive in Nature, Offenseve only of needed.
Utterly unacceptable. 'If needed' could mean 'Well we need revenge' or 'We need your oil' or anything else.

(2) Hatarian Army will only be at 40,000,000 troops at Peacetime, max Wartime limit if numbers will be 80,000,000 Troops.
Hataria should not enter wartime if it remains defensive. Period.

(3) The Hatarian Government will pay The Blubs $12,000,000,000 in Gold for The Damges it caused in The Attack on Northport and say sorry to the Blub Governmet for The Attack.
We don't want money. Unacceptable.

(4) The Hatarian Navy will be used for defense, and Anti-Piracy Operations. Offensive Operations only if needed.
Again. 'If needed'. Unacceptable.

(5) No WMDs are to be made in Hataria or given to anyone, They will all be Destroyed.
Acceptable, but included in the Silver Sky document.

(6) The Haven Region is to stay out of Hatarian Affairs from now on after this Treaty is Signed
Unacceptable. Inspections must be conducted, and interaction with Hatarian officials required to maintain peace and stability.

(7) Weapons inpectors for Nuetral Nations will be allowed into Hataria to make sure that all Hatarian WMDs are Destroyed.
Unacceptable. Inspections must be conducted by representitives from both sides, and done so freely.

(8) The Hatarian Government will only be Changed by The Hatarians Only!
Personally, Blubland isn't here to change your government.

(9) The Blubs will be allowed a Embassy in Hataropoils.
We'd rather not.

(10) that this and all Treaties be Talked about in Peace talks in Kurona.
Unacceptable. You will sign the Silver Sky document.


We have made our position clear. We have signed the Silver Sky version of the treaty, and require Hataria to do the same.

Please remember, you are on a very short timer for this.

The Glorious Military Junta wishes to once again re-iterate that it will not accept any treaty other than the one proposed by the Armed Capitalist Republic at this time. There have been no acceptable alternatives proposed, with the Hatarian Treaty maintaining so much vague terminology to hardly be a treaty at all.

Blub Colony has indicated it's willingness to sign onto the Skyan treaty. We advise that the Hatarians follow suit to avoid No Endorse intervention in the matter. Such escalation is unnecessary and can easily be avoided by simply signing the Skyan treaty.

-Official Statement, No Endorse Ministry of Foreign Affaris

We wash our hands of this affair, we shall not partake in any action relating to this conflict anymore, rather if you kill Hatarians, please kill as much as you can, we're tired of putting up with their affairs.

Emperor of Calizorinstan
Jack Slovic

The Silver Sky treaty is far more comprehensive, and does not require Hataria to 'pay' Blubland a dime. We still fully support the Silver Sky version and ask Hataria to sign The Silver Sky treaty.

The main Problem we have with The Silver Sky Treaty is that is Weekens our navy, No matter what. The Hatarians to not Trust The Silver Skyians, the Clandonians, the Questeians, the Freekish, The Kravenites or Griffincrest (well...........no one trusts Griffincrest, but that is a whole other Ball of wax) But our Navy is needed for protecting us from THEM. It is more like Opening the gates to a army of Terrorists or allowing rapests to rape women.

the Treaty we made is in fact more fair to all Nations, even To yours. The Cimmerian Wars are over and should stay over, what you are planning is to restart a Long Dead war.

I am Calling for Peace Talks at Kurona Soon.

Signed: Emperor Barbarossa II of Hataria.

Aurum Domus will gladly supply any blood crazed rebels with weapons to kill as many Hatarians as possible.

We will supply any rebel's in Hataria with weapon's to kill as many Hatarian's as they can before being killed.

The main Problem we have with The Silver Sky Treaty is that is Weekens our navy, No matter what. The Hatarians to not Trust The Silver Skyians, the Clandonians, the Questeians, the Freekish, The Kravenites or Griffincrest (well...........no one trusts Griffincrest, but that is a whole other Ball of wax) But our Navy is needed for protecting us from THEM. It is more like Opening the gates to a army of Terrorists or allowing rapests to rape women.

the Treaty we made is in fact more fair to all Nations, even To yours. The Cimmerian Wars are over and should stay over, what you are planning is to restart a Long Dead war.

I am Calling for Peace Talks at Kurona Soon.

Signed: Emperor Barbarossa II of Hataria.

Hataria will not need a large navy if it has a few allies. We urge Hataria and Blublkand to agree on a treaty soon, before all hell breaks loose.

We will say this much:

The naval size allowed by the Silver Sky treaty is bigger than your own current navy as it is right now. By maintaining a defensive fleet, you are able to protect yourselves extremely well, and you have allies you can call upon to protect you if attacked.

This treaty however, prevents you from rebuilding the original Hatarian sized navy and going off on your own to attack small, weak nations. You claim to be a peace-loving nation now. Then prove it. One does not use weapons of mass destruction for defense. One does not maintain a super-massive navy for strictly defense.

In the past we have trusted you based only on your promises not to start wars. You have proven that you are unworthy of trust based on just your word. Thus we are forced to limit your navy to insure your cooperation and prevent you from reaching out to make war, while leaving you the ability to defend yourself.

You must sign the Silver Sky document, there will be no side "peace talks" further delaying what will happen.

And think carefully before you answer this. Because if you make a reply that does not include your willingness to officially sign the Silver Sky document, the consequences will be both grave and immediate.

While I realize we said "This is your final chance" several times now, well. We mean it this time. We have been delayed by allies of our own and friends of Hataria who have tried to keep the peace, who said 'Give Hataria time to sign the Silver Sky treaty' and we have waited.

Instead of signing the reasonable treaty which The Silver Sky presented, Hataria chose to write it's own treaty. Well guess what. You are in no position to negotiate and should be thankful that we have delayed the war for this long and given such generous terms in the Silver Sky document.

Hataria's terms were thus:

(1) Hatarian Military will be Defensive in Nature, Offenseve only of needed.
Utterly unacceptable. 'If needed' could mean 'Well we need revenge' or 'We need your oil' or anything else.

(2) Hatarian Army will only be at 40,000,000 troops at Peacetime, max Wartime limit if numbers will be 80,000,000 Troops.
Hataria should not enter wartime if it remains defensive. Period.

(3) The Hatarian Government will pay The Blubs $12,000,000,000 in Gold for The Damges it caused in The Attack on Northport and say sorry to the Blub Governmet for The Attack.
We don't want money. Unacceptable.

(4) The Hatarian Navy will be used for defense, and Anti-Piracy Operations. Offensive Operations only if needed.
Again. 'If needed'. Unacceptable.

(5) No WMDs are to be made in Hataria or given to anyone, They will all be Destroyed.
Acceptable, but included in the Silver Sky document.

(6) The Haven Region is to stay out of Hatarian Affairs from now on after this Treaty is Signed
Unacceptable. Inspections must be conducted, and interaction with Hatarian officials required to maintain peace and stability.

(7) Weapons inpectors for Nuetral Nations will be allowed into Hataria to make sure that all Hatarian WMDs are Destroyed.
Unacceptable. Inspections must be conducted by representitives from both sides, and done so freely.

(8) The Hatarian Government will only be Changed by The Hatarians Only!
Personally, Blubland isn't here to change your government.

(9) The Blubs will be allowed a Embassy in Hataropoils.
We'd rather not.

(10) that this and all Treaties be Talked about in Peace talks in Kurona.
Unacceptable. You will sign the Silver Sky document.


We have made our position clear. We have signed the Silver Sky version of the treaty, and require Hataria to do the same.

Please remember, you are on a very short timer for this.

The "If Needed" Thing is like if a Ally wants help in a offense or Counter-Offense against a enemy or in case Hataria might have to help someone Free their Nations from a Conqueror or from a Very bad Ruler.

and Revenge.............that is not a reason for war.

We will supply any rebel's in Hataria with weapon's to kill as many Hatarian's as they can before being killed.

Any such action will result in expulsion from the Hegemony and a decleration of war by all Hegemony members. Supporting the killing of civilians indiscriminantly is considered Genocide by the Hegemony, and will not be tolerated.

OOC: I didn't mean killing civilian's, I meant supplying rebel's against the Hatarian's, and I didnrt mean for it to be IC, but SIC, so you wouldn't know about it.

OOC: I didn't mean killing civilian's, I meant supplying rebel's against the Hatarian's, and I didnrt mean for it to be IC, but SIC, so you wouldn't know about it.

OOC: then say SIC! :P
there are currently over 300,000 Hegemony troops in Hataria, so that would be kinda difficult to keep secret...

The "If Needed" Thing is like if a Ally wants help in a offense or Counter-Offense against a enemy or in case Hataria might have to help someone Free their Nations from a Conqueror or from a Very bad Ruler.

and Revenge.............that is not a reason for war.

Will you sign the Silver Sky treaty?

OOC: Doy, I remembered that after I posted. I am removing my support for the rebel's, am I still a valued member of the Hegmony, or am I disgraced forever?

IC:
We remove any support for the rebel's, we were just testing their reaction so we could eliminate them.

The "If Needed" Thing is like if a Ally wants help in a offense or Counter-Offense against a enemy or in case Hataria might have to help someone Free their Nations from a Conqueror or from a Very bad Ruler.

and Revenge.............that is not a reason for war.

Unlike the other former members of the DC we will not be leaving. But we urge Hataria to sign Sliver Skies treaty. Me and The Count could never provide enough support to beat off the invaders in this state right now. Please. Just sign the damn treaty!


Aimless von Strangaild.

OOC: Doy, I remembered that after I posted. I am removing my support for the rebel's, am I still a valued member of the Hegmony, or am I disgraced forever?

IC:
We remove any support for the rebel's, we were just testing their reaction so we could eliminate them.

OOC: your one warning was the one i just gave you. I will ignore this occurence, but know that from now on as a member of the Hegemony you shall obey the rules. If there are no further such occurences, then you will not be disgraced. Ill still keep an eye on you for a while, of course...

OOC: Okay, I'll behave, but I am still friend's with you IC'ly, and OOC'ly of course...

OOC: Okay, I'll behave, but I am still friend's with you IC'ly, and OOC'ly of course...

OOC: of course.

After reviewing the treaties from (yet another) completely neutral standpoint, we strongly urge Hataria to sign the treaty proposed by the Silver Sky. We feel that the allowances within the treaty for the Hatarian military should be more than adequate for a purely defensive force. Indeed, Hataria seems to be quibbling in order to delay signing, because there surely can be no argument that the naval allowances set forth in that treaty are fair and adequate for a defensive force.

Hataria Treaty of Fairness.

(1) Hatarian Military will be Defensive in Nature, Offenseve only of needed.

(2) Hatarian Army will only be at 40,000,000 troops at Peacetime, max Wartime limit if numbers will be 80,000,000 Troops.

(3) The Hatarian Government will pay The Blubs $12,000,000,000 in Gold for The Damges it caused in The Attack on Northport and say sorry to the Blub Governmet for The Attack.

(4) The Hatarian Navy will be used for defense, and Anti-Piracy Operations. Offensive Operations only if needed.

(5) No WMDs are to be made in Hataria or given to anyone, They will all be Destroyed.

(6) The Haven Region is to stay out of Hatarian Affairs from now on after this Treaty is Signed

(7) Weapons inpectors for Nuetral Nations will be allowed into Hataria to make sure that all Hatarian WMDs are Destroyed.

(8) The Hatarian Government will only be Changed by The Hatarians Only!

(9) The Blubs will be allowed a Embassy in Hataropoils.

(10) that this and all Treaties be Talked about in Peace talks in a Neutral Nation.

(11) If Hataria and/or Blub Breaks this Treaty, Dilopmatic ways to stop a war must be used. It would make sure another war will never happen.

Signed: Emperor Barbarossa II of Hataria.

Hataria Treaty of Fairness.

(1) Hatarian Military will be Defensive in Nature, Offenseve only of needed.

(2) Hatarian Army will only be at 40,000,000 troops at Peacetime, max Wartime limit if numbers will be 80,000,000 Troops.

(3) The Hatarian Government will pay The Blubs $12,000,000,000 in Gold for The Damges it caused in The Attack on Northport and say sorry to the Blub Governmet for The Attack.

(4) The Hatarian Navy will be used for defense, and Anti-Piracy Operations. Offensive Operations only if needed.

(5) No WMDs are to be made in Hataria or given to anyone, They will all be Destroyed.

(6) The Haven Region is to stay out of Hatarian Affairs from now on after this Treaty is Signed

(7) Weapons inpectors for Nuetral Nations will be allowed into Hataria to make sure that all Hatarian WMDs are Destroyed.

(8) The Hatarian Government will only be Changed by The Hatarians Only!

(9) The Blubs will be allowed a Embassy in Hataropoils.

(10) that this and all Treaties be Talked about in Peace talks in a Neutral Nation.

(11) If Hataria and/or Blub Breaks this Treaty, Dilopmatic ways to stop a war must be used. It would make sure another war will never happen.

Signed: Emperor Barbarossa II of Hataria.

OOC: How can the Blubs break the treaty? There's nothing that says there's something they can't do.