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This is going to be the development of the SOL upgraded T-90, this may be created by all nations willing to put input, of course you will each recieve 200 of these just for suggestion(only if i use them). I already am going to use the most of the SOL T-62 uprgades, except with more modern weoponary.

I am willing to place in the Leocardian 9U8IIM Laser Self-defense Weapon.

Give them more capacity to host TOW missiles and the like. And not to mention an upgraded German-made 120 mm Rheinmetall L55 smoothbore gun. That's a much better gun than those of the original T-90's. Also attach smoke-dispensers. We do not want 200 of these, use all you can for your own needs in your war.

noted, and what exacly does it do? it has to be MT

Also, you may wish to find a better armorment for the T-90 that will increase it's hard spot hit capacity to something over 2,000mm.

what kind of armor do you suggest? send the suggestions in people with a little info. yuor support is greatly appreaciated.

Not Depleted Uranium.

lol i dont want you or anyof your allies in here.

T-90 (Originial)
Armor Classified
Primary
armament 125 mm smoothbore gun with ATGM capability
Secondary
armament 7.62 mm coaxial machine gun, 12.7 mm anti-aircraft machine gun
Engine 12-cyl. diesel
1,000 hp (750 kW)
Power/weight 22 hp/tonne
Suspension torsion bar
Operational
range 375 km, 550 km with external tanks
Speed 65 km/h

What I propose.

Armour: 3rd Generation composite; including high-hardness steel, tungsten and plastic filler with ceramic component.
Primary Armourment: 1 x 140 mm Rheinmetall L55 smoothbore gun.
Secondary Armourment: Any Laser Defence Systems, and TOWs... Don't know specifics, have Leocardi help you with this.
Engine: MTU MB 873 Ka-501 12-cylinder diesel; 1,600 HP(1,103 kW)at 2600 RPM.
Power/Weight: 25.2 hp/tonne
Suspension: Torsion-Bar
Operation Range: 488 KM
Speed: 74 KM/h

lol i dont want you or anyof your allies in here.

I am actually giving you sound advice. Depleted Uranium is a bad choice for armor for two reasons.

1) It bloody heavy. A tank with armor made out of that will weigh alot more then a tank using say Crobham armor or Composite.

2) If that Depleted Uranium gets hot, like from say a enemy shell or an RPG round hitting it, it'll turn the inside of the tank into a furnace. It will literally cook your tanks crews.

that sounds great terra but i would like to use the upgraded v-66 deisel engine i use in the SOL t-62.

Armour: 3rd Generation composite; including high-hardness steel, tungsten and plastic filler with ceramic component.
Primary Armourment: 1 x 140 mm Rheinmetall L55 smoothbore gun.
Secondary Armourment: Any Laser Defence Systems, and TOWs... Don't know specifics, have Leocardi help you with this.
Engine: MTU MB 873 Ka-501 12-cylinder diesel; 1,600 HP(1,103 kW)at 2600 RPM.
Power/Weight: 25.2 hp/tonne
Suspension: Torsion-Bar
Operation Range: 488 KM
Speed: 74 KM/h

The Armor is basically a rip-off of the Leopard 2's armor. I'll same the same thing about like I always do, it's untested so we don't know how good it'll work, but whatever.

L55 is a 120mm Smoothbore Gun, not 140mm. Also a larger gun doesn't mean higher killing potential.

Everything else is pretty much jacked from the Leopard 2 and put into the T-90. Not much of modernization in my opinion.

NC, just because someone who is not in your group doesn't mean they're an arsehole and out to get you. But still check. DU ARMOUR is bad, but DU ROUNDS are alright.

And I'd say stick with the MTU, even an upgraded T-62 engine is still a T-62 engine.

OOC: Although Lyras is my chief strategic rival within my region, you really should check out his 30mm cannon... he uses it as the co-axial on his new tank, and it's well worth a look.

The Armor is basically a rip-off of the Leopard 2's armor. I'll same the same thing about like I always do, it's untested so we don't know how good it'll work, but whatever.

L55 is a 120mm Smoothbore Gun, not 140mm. Also a larger gun doesn't mean higher killing potential.

Everything else is pretty much jacked from the Leopard 2 and put into the T-90. Not much of modernization in my opinion.

I'm not a tank designer, so I just put in what I know is good, and the L55 is. And it doesn't mean that it DOESN'T have higher killing potential. But like I said before, I'm not a tank designer so that's just my opinion.

i need this to at lest have a 50/50 chance of knocking out a nakil.(tpfs panthers)

In my humble opinion the T-90 is a better tank then the Leopard 2. Considering the T-90 was designed after the Leopard 2.

i need this to at lest have a 50/50 chance of knocking out a nakil.

Having a larger Caliber won't do that.

In my humble opinion the T-90 is a better tank then the Leopard 2. Considering the T-90 was designed after the Leopard 2.

Eh, I'm dang sure the main gun on the Leopard is better, seeing as the Abrams has it anyways.

And NC, you can knock out a Nakil if you have an auto-aimer (Which I'm sure the T-90 and the Leopard 2 both have.) and just aim at the right spots. The Armour ratings are on the OOC thread and just aim for the spots that are around 2,000mm RHae against KE.

i never said anyything about larger cal i need it to be able to compete with the nakil at least with a 1 to 2 death rate

i never said anyything about larger cal i need it to be able to compete with the nakil at least with a 1 to 2 death rate

You're going to need alot more then a modernized T-90. Hell I know for a fact that any tank I design won't even measure up to half of what the Nakil is.

Not to mention, even if you design these tanks, it will be a couple of months RP time before they come into action.

Eh, I'm dang sure the main gun on the Leopard is better, seeing as the Abrams has it anyways.

And NC, you can knock out a Nakil if you have an auto-aimer (Which I'm sure the T-90 and the Leopard 2 both have.) and just aim at the right spots. The Armour ratings are on the OOC thread and just aim for the spots that are around 2,000mm RHae against KE.

The Abrams uses a L44 Smothbore not the more powerful L55.

Terre, Auto-Aimer is not an aimbot. It cannot hit with the accuracy you are describing.

Not to mention, even if you design these tanks, it will be a couple of months RP time before they come into action.

That's true. But he could use unmodified T-90's and modernize them after the war, or during in smaller scale.

The Abrams uses a L44 Smothbore not the more powerful L55.

The switch to the L55 is planned, however.

The Abrams uses a L44 Smothbore not the more powerful L55.

Eh, dangit. Either way I'm sure the L55 is a better gun than the 125mm that the T-90 has. Like you said, higher caliber doesn't mean high killer percentage or whatever.

Terre, Auto-Aimer is not an aimbot. It cannot hit with the accuracy you are describing.

But it gives you a better chance at hitting your target for sure.

i need this to at lest have a 50/50 chance of knocking out a nakil.(tpfs panthers)

Good luck with that.

Eh, dangit. Either way I'm sure the L55 is a better gun than the 125mm that the T-90 has. Like you said, higher caliber doesn't mean high killer percentage or whatever.

It's hard to judge the difference between the L55 120mm Smoothbore to the T-90s 125mm Smoothbore. They're both considered very good guns by alot of military experts.

But it gives you a better chance at hitting your target for sure.

Yes but the man behind the gun needs some competency.

It's hard to judge the difference between the L55 120mm Smoothbore to the T-90s 125mm Smoothbore. They're both considered very good guns by alot of military experts.

And they haven't been tested against each other... thank god. But lets just say they're equal, eh?

And they haven't been tested against each other... thank god. But lets just say they're equal, eh?

It should also be noted that it also greatly depends on the round being fired

And they haven't been tested against each other... thank god. But lets just say they're equal, eh?

I'd pretty much say they were. Russians like bigger guns, while Wester Nations like smaller ones. It's a matter of opinion at those sizes.

Yes but the man behind the gun needs some competency.

Your points are well taken... Mind to offer some? Nationalist Tank Crews have a high accuracy due to their modified auto-aiming and extra training in accuracy. Think the rest of the world has army standards for their tank crews and we have Marine standards (Pretty much 2-4 extra weeks of rifle/gun training)

i tged you terra

i tged you terra

Replied.

Anyone know the thread for the AFTERBURNER mercenary thing?

Terre, What is your AIM or MSN. I tried adding both and you are not online.

That's because they're fillers to make my thing look cooler :-p. It's Nicaraguanhombre for AIM, and I don't get on MSN that much.

OOC: If you want to be able to take on TPFs Nakils on an even footing, buy your own Nakils. At the moment that would be your only real choice on the market. Although depending on your terrain there are much better alternatives, I'm not sure how many of those are on the market.

OOC: If you want to be able to take on TPFs Nakils on an even footing, buy your own Nakils. At the moment that would be your only real choice on the market. Although depending on your terrain there are much better alternatives, I'm not sure how many of those are on the market.

Or, you can buy Lyran.