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OCC thread.

The first volleys were from 7km away. Then add the autoloader.

The Nakiv has a range of 7km? Well, nice. And I think Alversia should be giving you some SERIOUS air support for your withdrawal. I'm also going to be trying to halt the TPF advance into NC homeland. But not attacking them for any other reason. As soon as they head back we'll stop firing.

Autoloaders are slower than manual.

They are? Hm, I was not aware of this fact. The Nakil has an even longer ranged if I used the missile.

ive already fired tow and DU rounds, i need mmor casulaties TPF, you can say you hit 20 more tanks in retreat.

ive already fired tow and DU rounds, i need mmor casulaties TPF, you can say you hit 20 more tanks in retreat.

Then I want more causalities. I'll lower it down from 4 volleys to 2.

They are? Hm, I was not aware of this fact. The Nakil has an even longer ranged if I used the missile.

Yea they do, surprised me too. And you never stated you used a missile, simply tank rounds, to my knowledge.

Yea they do, surprised me too. And you never stated you used a missile, simply tank rounds, to my knowledge.

Yeah, I used the tank round.

fine 40 in all, dam i will only have 50 tanks left out of 500, im expecting you bit the bullet pretty good, not as much as me of course, but i want to see a pretty good casualtie list from you, how about 100 panthers.

:)can i join the conflict

NC, hate to burst your bubble, but...

The Nakil has a rating (w/o ERA) of some 415mm in its strongest spot. Your T-62 has a (I'm assuming your barrel is stock, and unmodified.) of 115mm. You're going to have a TOUGH time penetrating the Nakil's armour.

fine 40 in all, dam i will only have 50 tanks left out of 500, im expecting you bit the bullet pretty good, not as much as me of course, but i want to see a pretty good casualtie list from you, how about 100 panthers.

I do not know how powerful your round is. So, how many mm of RHAE can in penetrate? Once I know, I can accurately surmise how many tanks I loose.

Type Main battle tank
Place of origin Soviet Union,NC,Greal, SOL members
Specifications
Weight 60 tonnes
Length 6.63 m
Width 3.30 m
Height 2.40 m
Crew 3 (driver, gunner, cammander)

Armor Uranium lining, with kevalar lining.
Primary
armament Upgraded NC, Greal 125 mm smoothbore gun U-5TS with auto loading system
Secondary
armament 7.62 mm Remote machine gun in coaxial mount
Engine modified NC diesel model V-66
1800 hp
Power/weight 41 hp/tonne
Suspension torsion bar
Operational
range 450 km, 650 km with extra tanks
Speed 55 MPH

specific upgrades

1. A enhacned deisle engine provides more strengh
2.This tank is covered in full body Reactive armor, rendering it effective agaisnt most types of incoming missles.
3.the tanks has a Uranium lining, but do to weight it is limited, but still provides much streanth.
4.Inferred TOW launcher enables this monster to hit small vehicels and building with the same range as a humvees, there is one launcher and its fires one TOW, but must be relodied manualy.
5.A remote controled 7.62 machine gun is controld by the gunner.
6.An auto loader enables faster fire ratio.
7.DU rounds increase damage, but are lighter than an abrams due to wieght complications, but none the less effective.
8.Infered camera mounted on the front can pick up troops and exc during night activity.
9. the crew is three, a gunner, driver, and cammander

No, I need to know how much armor the round you fire can penetrate.

Type Main battle tank
Place of origin Soviet Union,NC,Greal, SOL members
Specifications
Weight 60 tonnes
Length 6.63 m
Width 3.30 m
Height 2.40 m
Crew 3 (driver, gunner, cammander)

Armor Uranium lining, with kevalar lining.
Primary
armament Upgraded NC, Greal 125 mm smoothbore gun U-5TS with auto loading system
Secondary
armament 7.62 mm Remote machine gun in coaxial mount
Engine modified NC diesel model V-66
1800 hp
Power/weight 41 hp/tonne
Suspension torsion bar
Operational
range 450 km, 650 km with extra tanks
Speed 55 MPH

specific upgrades

1. A enhacned deisle engine provides more strengh
2.This tank is covered in full body Reactive armor, rendering it effective agaisnt most types of incoming missles.
3.the tanks has a Uranium lining, but do to weight it is limited, but still provides much streanth.
4.Inferred TOW launcher enables this monster to hit small vehicels and building with the same range as a humvees, there is one launcher and its fires one TOW, but must be relodied manualy.
5.A remote controled 7.62 machine gun is controld by the gunner.
6.An auto loader enables faster fire ratio.
7.DU rounds increase damage, but are lighter than an abrams due to wieght complications, but none the less effective.
8.Infered camera mounted on the front can pick up troops and exc during night activity.
9. the crew is three, a gunner, driver, and cammander

False... Unless you want to make your tank a bigger target, and slower.

Terre, I meant to ask you, who's side is the Nationalists on?

im on NC's side..now apprently

im on NC's side..now apprently

Do you want to be on his side? It's up to you.

3VBM??/3BM48 (3БM48 "Свинец-2")
Utilising a new Sabot. Reported to be tungsten alloy.

Country of origin: Russia
Projectile dimension: ?? mm ??: ? L/d
Round weight: ?
Projectile weight (including sabot): ?.?? kg
Muzzle velocity: ???? m/s
Muzzle energy: ?.? MJ
Penetration: 800 mm at 2000 m

im not sure how much more it can go with DU rounds.

Terre, I meant to ask you, who's side is the Nationalists on?

Neither. We are a peace keeping force. We fire at any force that is attacking. Also, if the attacking force is defeated and retreating to their side of the line, and we are sure the defender is going on the offensive, we will fire on the defender. We don't want this to go into a full blown war. And the plans for a base around the hill where 70 men (unknown to you ICly at this point, but known to NC forces due to our attack on them, which we PERCEIVED as a preemptive strike. Though, they still believe us to be a TPF stronghold.) are, this base would probably be a force of a full Regiment of QS-1, 1,400 men with armour.

NAKIL
Armor [Actual Thickness without ERA]:
Lower Hull: 300mm
Glacis: 400mm
Front 1/3 Side Hull: 100mm
Front Side Turret/ Side Turret: 280mm
Upper Front Turret: 380mm
Rear Turret: 137mm
Rear Hull: 124mm
Side Hull: 375mm
Mantlet: 400mm
Weakened Zone: 415mm
Front Turret Corners: 430mm
Side Turret: 120mm
Roof: 60mm
Armor [Rolled Homogenous Equivalent vs. KE]:
Lower Hull: 900mm
Glacis: 1,480mm
Front 1/3 Side Hull: 225mm
Front Side Turret/ Side Turret: 756mm
Upper Front Turret: 646mm
Rear Turret: 516mm
Rear Hull: 487.5mm
Side Hull: 787.5mm
Mantlet: 2,375mm
Weakened Zone: 2,450mm
Front Turret Corners: 2,500mm
Side Turret: 450mm
Roof: 105mm
Armor [Rolled Homogenous Equivalent with ERA vs. KE]:
Lower Hull: 1,100mm
Glacis: 1,980mm
Front 1/3 Side Hull: 425mm
Front Side Turret/ Side Turret: 1,040mm
Upper Front Turret: 890mm
Rear Turret: 740mm
Rear Hull: 698.5mm
Side Hull: 1,098.5mm
Mantlet: 2,875mm
Weakened Zone: 2,950mm
Front Turret Corners: 2,975mm
Side Turret: 880mm
Roof: 235mm
Armor [Rolled Homogenous Equivalent with ERA vs. CE]:
Lower Hull: 1,400mm
Glacis: 2,580mm
Front 1/3 Side Hull: 850mm
Front Side Turret/Side Turret: 1,590mm
Upper Front Turret: 1,445mm
Rear Turret: 1,198mm
Rear Hull: 1,187mm
Side Hull: 1,700mm
Mantlet: 3,540mm
Weakened Zone: 3,675mm
Front Turret Corners: 3,750mm
Side Turret: 1,030mm
Roof: 415mm

VS.

Your SABOT, DU-Tipped round
3VBM??/3BM48 (3БM48 "Свинец-2")
Utilising a new Sabot. Reported to be tungsten alloy.

Country of origin: Russia
Projectile dimension: ?? mm ??: ? L/d
Round weight: ?
Projectile weight (including sabot): ?.?? kg
Muzzle velocity: ???? m/s
Muzzle energy: ?.? MJ
Penetration: 800 mm at 2000 m

im not sure how much more it can go with DU rounds.

hmm ill aid you...but Aio's is military is based on Air power...

hmm ill aid you...but Aio's is military is based on Air power...

That's EXACTLY what North Cal needs at this point.

Therefore, I stand at three Panthers disabled.

so what now i gave you the round, and my facts of the tank are correct, of course it wasnt right the first time but people gave me suggestions and i took them, they said it was good.

are F-16s to advanced at this point?

wtf! i already letting you have a kill to death of 1 to three of my tanks, that's impresive, but three disabled bull.

wtf! i already letting you have a kill to death of 1 to three of my tanks, that's impresive, but three disabled bull.

Did you see Terras huge post?

I'm so tempted to hire some Mercs to kidnap some people for fiendish experimentation. Or have some unmarked jets buzz someone for no apparent reason.

yes i did, and my round can penetrate at least half of those places, and the tow would devastate the turrets armor(it detonates on top of the tanks.

Therefore, I stand at three Panthers disabled.

Well he DID fire at you with over 50 tanks, and one of them is bound to hit a Front Side 1/3. Make it 3 Disabled Panthers and 1 Downed, that sounds just about right. Making to total 7 Panthers. The DU-tip would probably raise it to some 950 or 1,000mm, atleast for KE.

From what I can see, he can only penetrate two places. But I'll agree with Terre here.

ok im aiding TPF at this point *shrug* not much ground assualts but the air is ours :P

Did you see Terras huge post?

yes i did, and my round can penetrate at least half of those places, and the tow would devastate the turrets armor(it detonates on top of the tanks.

Well he did have TOWs, that would probably fire 50, several of those probably snapped in air, just because of their nature (assuming you have earlier ones) or just didn't work. It'd defiently say around thirty-seven disabled, and another eleven down for the count.

Also, NC, as for your TOW's on the top armor, apparently you have never heard of a APS.

ok im aiding TPF at this point *shrug* not much ground assualts but the air is ours :P

You wish.

Well he did have TOWs, that would probably fire 50, several of those probably snapped in air, just because of their nature (assuming you have earlier ones) or just didn't work. It'd defiently say around thirty-seven disabled, and another eleven down for the count.

APS. I'll add another five or six due to malfunction or such.

how many tanks did you have firing at me, i agree your tanks are technically superior, and if your tank is so perfect(from what you say it seems so) they got to have a technical weakness, maybe speed.

Mmm, APS... i'd say a total of 11... maybe two down. It's hard to tell since I can't find anything on APS.

how many tanks did you have firing at me, i agree your tanks are technically superior, but i need a little more than 7 lets make it fair and say i at least killed 50. and if your tank is so perfect(from what you say it seems so) they got to have a technical weakness, maybe speed.

You wanna go and read the Nakil read-up and find a weakness?

how many tanks did you have firing at me, i agree your tanks are technically superior, but i need a little more than 7 lets make it fair and say i at least killed 50. and if your tank is so perfect(from what you say it seems so) they got to have a technical weakness, maybe speed.

Their techincal weakness is their high matienece. I had nearly 800 tanks firing.

Mmm, APS... i'd say a total of 11... maybe two down. It's hard to tell since I can't find anything on APS.

Skip down to the section that describes it on the Nakil write-up.

Hehe, I just looked at the ammunition storage at he Nakil and High KE Incendiary round. Maybe just mortars for short... But incendiary rounds seem to be able to rape this tank, especially if it was going against a Helicopter, though APS would cause problems.... An anti-tank weapon could be specifically designed to destroy this tank, but it'd be a bulk mofo.

i think a few of these would cut one open? not sure though

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CBU-97

cluster bombs could probably rip it open...itd take a few though...

Hehe, I just looked at the ammunition storage at he Nakil and High KE Incendiary round. Maybe just mortars for short... But incendiary rounds seem to be able to rape this tank, especially if it was going against a Helicopter, though APS would cause problems.... An anti-tank weapon could be specifically designed to destroy this tank, but it'd be a bulk mofo.

Hm, create it. Mac would counter it, but he's leaving for Basic soon.

cluster bombs could probably rip it open...itd take a few though...

It has armor on top of the turret specially designed to counter it. If you kept on doing it, then it could.

your making your tank seem llike it could rape abrams with ease.

your making your tank seem llike it could rape abrams with ease.

It could. This is NS, not RL.

Hm, create it. Mac would counter it, but he's leaving for Basic soon.

True. But YOU'D have to ship in the replacements. And UNTIL then I would have an advantage. And once HE counters it, I'll counter that... somehow....

OCC: NC, whats the status of your airfields and aircraft right now?

True. But YOU'D have to ship in the replacements. And UNTIL then I would have an advantage. And once HE counters it, I'll counter that... somehow....

Lol, thats way it works in RL, bub. An then, Its not like I send in Nakils alone, they got arty, infantry, and air support most of da time.

oh it could, how in the hell would it be able to support itself with all of that on it, this tank must be massive, and must guzzle gas like no other it would probabliy take it an hour to run out.

your making your tank seem llike it could rape abrams with ease.

Because it could easily.

oh it could, how in the hell would it be able to support itself with all of that on it, this tank must be massive, and must guzzle gas like no other it would probabliy take it an hour to run out.

If you read the Write-up, you'll know how. Look at the dude's bibliography. He knows what he's talking about.

NC, whats the status of your airfields and aircraft right now?

oh it could, how in the hell would it be able to support itself with all of that on it, this tank must be massive, and must guzzle gas like no other it would probabliy take it an hour to run out.

Read the write-up and complain to Mac if you want. Any argument you give to him he'll shoot down. He did spend months on that write-up and thats why it's considered the best tank in NS.

Lol, thats way it works in RL, bub. An then, Its not like I send in Nakils alone, they got arty, infantry, and air support most of da time.

Yea, but remember. When I'm against you, that means NC and his allies will be defending. And they have the real manpower for these engagements. My troops are just a distraction till NC can establish itself well enough to keep its border sovereign, likewise with yours.

it would take days to read all of that, and i said that it would guzzle gas like hell, do you have any idea of how expensive a coum of 800 Nakils would be to operate, that would be immese, esspeacillay including all of the other forces and tanks.

Yea, but remember. When I'm against you, that means NC and his allies will be defending. And they have the real manpower for these engagements. My troops are just a distraction till NC can establish itself well enough to keep its border sovereign, likewise with yours.

You fail to understand. Once is aircraft are down, my Army Group and others are going to invade him.

Ah, that is why I have a 35 trillion dollar defense budget. Complain to Mac.

how can you keep the ecomemy stable with something like that, even with your huge pop, that would straggle you pretty good.

You fail to understand. Once is aircraft are down, my Army Group and others are going to invade him.

And likewise, once my High Command has viewed my troops protection of the DMZ futile (if it is indeed before your final assault) they will be pulled out accordingly. But minor border skirmishes like these are what PKF-U was sent for.

NC, NS is unrealistic. That's the game's fault.

Anyway, like I stated earlier, what is the status of your airfields and aircraft?

NS tech is very very highly overrated.....the Nakil is a very good tank and Mac a very good designer thus why I bought some of the things myself... but there's plenty of stuff that can take em out using RL MT equipment without too much trouble..although it will rape your SOL T-62's no problem..

id say that 25% percent of my air bases are down, and lost about 300 planes, but you seem to pown everything so what would be the point in fighting you?

how can you keep the ecomemy stable with something like that, even with your huge pop, that would straggle you pretty good.

I have a 16 Trillion dollar Defensive Budget and my economy is fine.

NS tech is very very highly overrated.....the Nakil is a very good tank and Mac a very good designer thus why I bought some of the things myself... but there's plenty of stuff that can take em out using RL MT equipment without too much trouble..although it will rape your SOL T-62's no problem..

That's IYO

id say that 25% percent of my air bases are down, and lost about 300 planes, but you seem to pown everything so what would be the point in fighting you?

I argue everything that is unrealistic. 25% seem realistic to me.

NC Aios can aid you...send me a telegram i just wana fight in the war...Aios has a VERY strong air force...just let us occupy a few bases or yours and we should be able to support you units...

Aios your confirmed.

what about the tanks.

what about the tanks.

Thought we agreed on 7.

no we didnt i will agree on 30 killed and 10 broken, that is the least you could give me after you destroyed over 300 of us.

no we didnt i will agree on 30 killed and 10 broken, that is the least you could give me after you destroyed over 300 of us.

I'll give you 12. Thats more than enough. It is not my fault you have obsolete tanks.

therer modernized, i think they could dish out enough for thirty easily. rounds and tows hit you and your telling me after about 100 tanks firing tows and du rounds, just 12 were taken out, i must have missed 70 percent of my shots, and i doubt that.

therer modernized, i think they could dish out enough for thirty easily. rounds and tows hit you and your telling me after about 100 tanks firing tows and du rounds, just 12 were taken out, i must have missed 70 percent of my shots, and i doubt that.

There's only so much a Modernized T-62 can do against a very much Modern Nakil Tank.

therer modernized, i think they could dish out enough for thirty easily. rounds and tows hit you and your telling me after about 100 tanks firing tows and du rounds, just 12 were taken out, i must have missed 70 percent of my shots, and i doubt that.

Again, if you continued to press on, you would have faced nearly 2,000 more RAKE rounds.

i agree with you that there is only so much i could do, but thirty is good, fom what i hear he can kill three to one.

therer modernized, i think they could dish out enough for thirty easily. rounds and tows hit you and your telling me after about 100 tanks firing tows and du rounds, just 12 were taken out, i must have missed 70 percent of my shots, and i doubt that.

They didn't have to miss. Plus you didn't state you had an auto-aimer, which is needed for shots taken while you're moving. And even if you did have one, or you took time to stop and aim at your target your RHae rating isn't high enough to penetrate over 4/5 of the tank's armour.

i didnt miss alot of them, and how big is this tank, it must be massive, basically a mobile artillery platform.

NC I'd use 9K115-2 Metis Anti-Tank launchers...they can penetrate 850mm behind ERA...and you can add Thermobaric Anti-Personell ordance too...a few hits will take out even the Nakil..NS is overrated. =)

i didnt miss alot of them, and how big is this tank, it must be massive, basically a mobile artillery platform.

*sigh* read the write-up or the state block. Here: I'll make it easy.

Statblock:
Manufacturer: Kriegzimmer Conglomerate
Crew: 3
Weight: 64,230.75kg
Weight Distribution [Approximate]:
Hull: 18334.75kg
Suspension: 11,501.8kg
Power Plant: 5,032kg
Auxiliary Auto: 1,867kg
Weapon Station: 20,777.4kg
Fire and Control: 1,341.8kg
Ammunition: 1,695kg
OVE: 1,500kg
Fuel: 1,800kg
Crew: 381kg
Power to Weight Ratio: 23.5 hp/t
Length: 9.1m
Length of Gun: 6.96m
Width: 3.563m
Height: 2.6m
Ground Clearance: .4m
Engine: 1690 hp Gas Turbine
Maximum Velocity: 66km/h
Range: 510km
Range With External Tanks: 800km
Trench: 5.6m
Step: 5.6m
Vertical Obstacle: 1.4m
Ford Unprepared: 1.8m
Ford Prepared: 6m
Climbing Gradient: 40x
Fire and Control Computer: Cornerstone
Armament:
120mm Light Weight High Breech Pressure
1x 5.66mm Co-Axial
1x 5.66mm GPMG
1x Four Barrel Grenade Launcher
Ammunition:
48 Rounds
1,200 Rounds
1,000 Rounds Each
400 Grenades
Main Gun Depression: -7/+38 degrees
Armor [Actual Thickness without ERA]:
Lower Hull: 300mm
Glacis: 400mm
Front 1/3 Side Hull: 100mm
Front Side Turret/ Side Turret: 280mm
Upper Front Turret: 380mm
Rear Turret: 137mm
Rear Hull: 124mm
Side Hull: 375mm
Mantlet: 400mm
Weakened Zone: 415mm
Front Turret Corners: 430mm
Side Turret: 120mm
Roof: 60mm
Armor [Rolled Homogenous Equivalent vs. KE]:
Lower Hull: 900mm
Glacis: 1,480mm
Front 1/3 Side Hull: 225mm
Front Side Turret/ Side Turret: 756mm
Upper Front Turret: 646mm
Rear Turret: 516mm
Rear Hull: 487.5mm
Side Hull: 787.5mm
Mantlet: 2,375mm
Weakened Zone: 2,450mm
Front Turret Corners: 2,500mm
Side Turret: 450mm
Roof: 105mm
Armor [Rolled Homogenous Equivalent with ERA vs. KE]:
Lower Hull: 1,100mm
Glacis: 1,980mm
Front 1/3 Side Hull: 425mm
Front Side Turret/ Side Turret: 1,040mm
Upper Front Turret: 890mm
Rear Turret: 740mm
Rear Hull: 698.5mm
Side Hull: 1,098.5mm
Mantlet: 2,875mm
Weakened Zone: 2,950mm
Front Turret Corners: 2,975mm
Side Turret: 880mm
Roof: 235mm
Armor [Rolled Homogenous Equivalent with ERA vs. CE]:
Lower Hull: 1,400mm
Glacis: 2,580mm
Front 1/3 Side Hull: 850mm
Front Side Turret/Side Turret: 1,590mm
Upper Front Turret: 1,445mm
Rear Turret: 1,198mm
Rear Hull: 1,187mm
Side Hull: 1,700mm
Mantlet: 3,540mm
Weakened Zone: 3,675mm
Front Turret Corners: 3,750mm
Side Turret: 1,030mm
Roof: 415mm
Suspension: Active and Dynamic Hydropneumatic Suspension System
Sensors & Range:
4th Generation FLIR @ 13km targeting range; 8km classification range
3rd Generation LADAR @ ~10km classification range
Millimeter Wave [MMW] RADAR @ 11km classification range
Night Vision: Integrated with sensors.
NBC Protection: Air-tight chassis and turret, air filtration and overpressure air conditioning system, masks and uniforms.
Procurement Cost: 9 Million

NC I'd use 9K115-2 Metis Anti-Tank launchers...they can penetrate 850mm behind ERA...and you can add Thermobaric Anti-Personell ordance too...a few hits will take out even the Nakil..NS is overrated. =)

APS. None of you seems to know what that is.

i didnt miss alot of them, and how big is this tank, it must be massive, basically a mobile artillery platform.

It's only slightly larger then the Abrams.

hmm can these be mounted on tanks?

lol only slightly larger than the abrams! and RPG-5 can take out an abrams in the back. i use -7's

lol only slightly larger than the abrams! and RPG-5 can take out an abrams in the back. i use -7's

LOL! I think not. Proof? And Size is not everything in tanks.

Also RPG's<APS

i think so, look it up and check see if the RPG can take out an abrams in the back.

i think so, look it up and check see if the RPG can take out an abrams in the back.

Even if it can, the Nakil is not Abrams.

I REALLY don't want a full blown war here, so I am seriously thinking about having an entire army, some two hundred thousand men, moved to the DMZ, to keep it DE-MILITARIZED.

I REALLY don't want a full blown war here, so I am seriously thinking about having an entire army, some two hundred thousand men, moved to the DMZ, to keep it DE-MILITARIZED.

How is your nation interested in NC?

that sounds great Terra i will back oof the dmz if you do this, hell i will pull all troops and vehicle behind the wall.

For the reference of an outside observer what IS APS?

here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Active_protection_system

9К115-2 Metis-M uses a Tandem Heat warhead or you can use a thermobaric one..supposedly the russians were sending them to Hezbollah during this past summers conflict with Isreal...newho a bunch of infantry guys running around with those will screw up any armor advance even if they are using the supurb Nakil..and APS isn't 100% effective especially softkill measures and if you have a few dozen guys shooting at you they'll score a hit anyways.So still even the Nakil can be beaten with simple RL equipment...

How is your nation interested in NC?

Isn't we're interested in keeping titles as they are. True. The DMZ was to set up a military barrier, not a cold war. I will enforce this, even if it costs lives to keep your nations at bay until you two can settle this. We are not taking sides, we are simply trying... to keep the peace.

Isn't we're interested in keeping titles as they are. True. The DMZ was to set up a military barrier, not a cold war. I will enforce this, even if it costs lives to keep your nations at bay until you two can settle this. We are not taking sides, we are simply trying... to keep the peace.

Sorry, but get past my Armada =/

he can go through my country i will allow it, and can the launcher be put on a tank?

OOC: Let me clear up a few misconceptions here...

1. According to a previous statement from Mac, a autoloaders speed depends on the type of autoloader, the size of the turret, and the design of the turret. The Nakil, being the excellent tank it is, is going to have a extremely good reload rate, although what the rounds per minute would be, I have no clue.

2. NC, your SOL T-62 tanks arnt that great. Their gun dates back to the 1960s, I highly doubt they could fire that round your talking about(since most modern Russian tanks use 125mm rounds, but Ill check that), and the Nakil's main gun could so easily rape a T-62s armor that it wouldnt be funny(it could also destroy any NS tank pretty easily, which is saying something). The primary thing you've got going for you with the T-62s is numbers... for now at least.

Please note, I will be entering this(war? battle? conflict?) on TPFs side pretty soon. As soon as I read the IC thread.

he can go through my country i will allow it, and can the launcher be put on a tank?

Even if it can, there is APS for a reason. Since you refuse to understand...

A APS detects a incoming missile via milimeter length radar, then it locks on and deploys a metal rod or grenade to destroy said missile before ever hitting the armor.

Yes, but a sufficient number of missiles and/or rockets can easily get through most APS's... also, some APS's are useless against heavy missiles launched from aircraft(take the laser guided Maverick for a RL example).

Yes, but a sufficient number of missiles and/or rockets can easily get through most APS's... also, some APS's are useless against heavy missiles launched from aircraft(take the laser guided Maverick for a RL example).

Well yes. But It shouldn't have a problem against AGTM's or TOW's. Especially Mac's version.

Terra are you coming in

Sorry, but get past my Armada =/

Won't need too, my Medical ships would be far off, along with the transports and the subs. Air is how we're transporting and we have a vast network of fuelers that will keep my ships in the air.

Won't need too, my Medical ships would be far off, along with the transports and the subs. Air is how we're transporting and we have a vast network of fuelers that will keep my ships in the air.

Then get past my Air Force.

And how are there problems with this post? You would shoot down a airplane that is transporting goods to a neutral zone? Or maybe I could just go threw NC as he suggested.

EDIT: I can't believe you'd attack a neutral nation... tsk, tsk. But i'm sending them threw NC if you wish to be like that.

I want to know how you built a airway in the middle of a DMZ, when my forces are fully aware of yours. And we would have spotted and destroyed those C-5's.

Threw NC, your guys are going back, because they just flew a long ass mission. And it isn't an airstrip, it's a clear pathway so that helicopters can stay and land on the ground.

Threw NC, your guys are going back, because they just flew a long ass mission. And it isn't an airstrip, it's a clear pathway so that helicopters can stay and land on the ground.

Then how the hell did Merkavas get on the ground?

Also about "My guys being exhausted..." Well, thats the beauty of Unmamed aircraft.

no, bull crap you cant have unmanned fighters with that kind of power that's seems like ft to me.

They got pushed out of low-flying Hercules, you can't tell me you haven't seen that before... I could've just landed them onto a civilian airstrip that's near the DMZ. I'm sure NC would permit it.

permission granted.

And retreating from the DMZ isn't a bright move, I've only got 1,400 men station there right now. It'd take a while to get an entire army there.

no, bull crap you cant have unmanned fighters with that kind of power that's seems like ft to me.

Its not FT. And okay, Terra, I'll grant you that.

okay i will stay but im being threatend by Red to now.

Its not FT. And okay, Terra, I'll grant you that.

Agreed, UAV's are becoming a large force in the United States Army as we speak.

Unmanned Combat Aerial Vehicles(UCAVs) are in use on MT NationStates. They perform simultaneously better and worse then planes flown by pilots. They can perform maneuvers that would smear a real pilot, but are still limited by their software.

TPF, I would advise against going on the offensive. Several reasons here.

A: It would make it difficult for my nation to support you.
B: You got what you want, room to expand your base and finish your construction in peace.
C: It costs more to attack then defend.

TPF, I would advise against going on the offensive. Several reasons here.

A: It would make it difficult for my nation to support you.
B: You got what you want, room to expand your base and finish your construction in peace.
C: It costs more to attack then defend.


A. Then don't
B. I want his slaves, the base was an excuse
C: Yes
D: Its a crusade against communism.

wow saying it;s a crusade against communism wasnt a goood idea.

wow saying it;s a crusade against communism wasnt a goood idea.

OCCLY mate. Can't use it ICly.

Allow me to weigh what my nation would think the cost-benefit ratio would be, then Ill get back to you.

Allow me to weigh what my nation would think the cost-benefit ratio would be, then Ill get back to you.

Sounds good.

Sounds good.

Also, TPF, since you're a realist and you have no idea of what I'm using ICly I'd expect only a brigade from you to try and attack my position that is a regiment size.

Also, TPF, since you're a realist and you have no idea of what I'm using ICly I'd expect only a brigade from you to try and attack my position that is a regiment size.

OCC: Actually I was intending to bypass your position if at all possible. I still have quite a few men back at base.

Heh, if it was my nation... you'd probably have at least a armored division shoved down your throat. My militaries primary doctrine can be summed up by saying:

'There is no such thing as overkill'

If you do, then... I pretty much won't have a reason to enter the war. You sneaky bastard. And i'll make the map, brb.

Heh, if it was my nation... you'd probably have at least a armored division shoved down your throat. My militaries primary doctrine can be summed up by saying:

'There is no such thing as overkill'

Then you'd surfer a probably 3:1 ratio death rate.

Because a mass of men, is also a mass TARGET. Unless you'd send them in like brigades or regiments. But then it's the same thing as being attacked by a brigade. Plus you'd be wasting precious military assets and time on me.

you think like tpf.

If you do, then... I pretty much won't have a reason to enter the war. You sneaky bastard. And i'll make the map, brb.

Thanks.

you think like tpf.

Welcome to the Real World and how war is really waged. No such thing as overkill.

Then you'd surfer a probably 3:1 ratio death rate.

Depends on the combat situation... but my military would probably be willing to take those casualties(my soldiers fight with suicidal determination). Besides, give me enough HARMs and Daisy Cutter style Fuel Air Bombs... BLAMO! New paths opened up.

you think like tpf.

Me, or Red Tide?

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g20/Xavier_Solis/Korean_Map.jpg

red

good map, except in reality it is larger and different cities.

red

That 800km scale is the same used for America... It's America's size in this, bro. And Red doesn't think like TPF, TPF is more calculative.

ty for the map

You're welcome :-D.

Im calculative on a grand scale. When it comes in the grand scheme of things... well, I can be just as opportunistic as the next guy.

When it comes to a tactical battle, my military is more about sheer firepower and numbers then any finesse or tact, not to say those dont come in every so often. My militaries RP'd as the guys who would blow up a building with a bomb rather then use a sniper to get a single guy. That kind of stuff.

Ah, so you're the American military incarnate!!!!!

TPF did you skip my little military island on the DMZ or are you going to actually engage me? It's up to you.

I was thinking more 40s-era Soviets(who use human/mechanized wave assualts and massed-yet rather inaccurate-artillery barrages)... but yeah, that works to.

I cant wait till the SOH are ready for gurilla combat.

TPF did you skip my little military island on the DMZ or are you going to actually engage me? It's up to you.

Skiped. Deal with the B-77's. :D

I was thinking more 40s-era Soviets(who use human/mechanized wave assualts and massed-yet rather inaccurate-artillery barrages)... but yeah, that works to.

Yea... but then you'd have wooden MiGs! :p

wait my forces are on the dmz border.

Funny... let me make an addition to that:

I was thinking more 40s-era Soviets(who use human/mechanized wave assualts and massed-yet rather inaccurate-artillery barrages) with NS grade equipment... but that works too

Skiped. Deal with the B-77's. :D

Smart man, no need to bog down your own assault. And you launched B-77's at me? I would imagine your troops would be near me an that would be kind of dangerous, not to mention the casualties you'd take from the SAM sites, adding to that I believe NC also has a SAM umbrella that would shoot down your planes now, rather than deal with them latter, knowing they may not be able to later.

Funny... let me make an addition to that:

I was thinking more 40s-era Soviets(who use human/mechanized wave assualts and massed-yet rather inaccurate-artillery barrages) with NS grade equipment... but that works too

Hahaha... sad thing is... they really did have wooden planes... :(

I didn't launch them yet. Also, they have a 80,000 feet high ceiling. But I haven't launched them.

watch this TPF

You can deploy missiles at 21,000 km? I believe I'm using a SAM that can top that by 4,000 km. Let me check though.

Hahaha... sad thing is... they really did have wooden planes... :(

Never said they didnt, the MiG-3 was a propeller driven, wooden aircraft. Heck, for that matter... the British had a wooden bomber.

EDIT: I dont think that 80,000 feet is 21,000 kilometers. Its probably more like 18,000-20,000 meters, which translates 18-20 kilometers.

You can deploy missiles at 21,000 km? I believe I'm using a SAM that can top that by 4,000 km. Let me check though.

lol Don't worry. If you get too big on your island, I have the fleet and more men if needed. You'll be trouble if you interrupt my supply... oops...

hmmmmm communist muslims.

lol Don't worry. If you get too big on your island, I have the fleet and more men if needed. You'll be trouble if you interrupt my supply... oops...

Haha, please I already knew that. But I'm withdrawing, I may come back with a larger force or not. But as of now I'm simply leaving. My men don't need to die for this, not at all.

Haha, please I already knew that. But I'm withdrawing, I may come back with a larger force or not. But as of now I'm simply leaving. My men don't need to die for this, not at all.

Well, you would be surprised about how many ppl on NS fail to grasp the most basic military tactics.

Well, you would be surprised about how many ppl on NS fail to grasp the most basic military tactics.

Yes, I have seen that sadly. But luckily you and I are not one of them. :cool:

About training men in a day. Easy. Give them the gun, give them an hour to learn to shoot, ten minutes to learn to reload. Smack the shit out of them if they disobey (Since they're Muslim probably won't), teach them cover and concealment. If they fail to grasp these concepts, they atleast fired at you for a few seconds, keeping a head or two down in the process. They also buy more time for recruits to get a complete day of training, or maybe even a week.

dam your right, its easy to learn how to use the weopons. and im giving them basically trucks with TOWs on the back.

Seems fair.

Note however, that once they start to take too many causalities, they will probaly run.

NC, about his tank superiority. Korea, I believe, is hilly. Hide your tanks behind hills, then get as close to his tanks as you can, firing as wildly as you can. Bash them into his side. Get your tank crews out of the tank, have them open the hatch of the Nakil (or blow it open) then toss a grenade. OR Since you do have the altitude advantage position RPG-7 and LAW's on high plateaus or hills or mountains and blow open the roof of their Nakil. Not that hard.

Infantry, FTW.

Seems fair.

Note however, that once they start to take too many causalities, they will probaly run.

Muslim extremists. You stay for Allah, they stay. Now if it were people who were rational, like you and me, that fact applies. I will admit that eventually, after probably 70% causalities they still will run, but I suggest to NC that he use the religious fanatics as a meat shield and place mines with your professional force.

Infantry, FTW.

Infantry attacking up a mountain or slope<Infantry defending mountain or slope. :D

they will hit enemys like gurillas and im already planning on fanactics.

Infantry attacking up a mountain or slope>Infantry defending mountain or slope. :D

Air Power and Artillery> Men on slopes

I know my combined arms.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfoQtBgjjfw

imagine a tpf tank.

Infantry attacking up a mountain or slope>Infantry defending mountain or slope. :D

I think you need to turn that sign around. I'm reasonably sure that it's easier to defend high ground then to attack it, always.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zfoQtBgjjfw

imagine a tpf tank.

Dont be too quick to claim victory.

Air Power and Artillery> Men on slopes

I know my combined arms.

I concede to your artillery... mmm. <Flanking maneuver threw rough terrain using local militia men who know the terrain like the back of their hand, unlike your military commanders?

Well, been fun chatting. I gtg, be on later tonight most-likely.

i wont claim victory yet lol.

I think you need to turn that sign around. I'm reasonably sure that it's easier to defend high ground then to attack it, always.

Whoa. Thanks for catching that one, haha.

im almost ready to unleash SOH

Whats the SOH?/BUMP

DPZ Line:
http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g20/Xavier_Solis/Korean_Map-1.jpg