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Attention members:

I have convened this meeting in the wake of extraordinary events to discuss the situation developing between The Blub Colony and Hataria. As you may know, our allies in the UFAN and Dominion Commonwealth are facing the possibility of war due to the presence of Hataria in their alliance, which will likely be attacked by the Blubs and their allies in Haven and other regions.

This is a serious situation. If the situation does deteriorate in to war, we will have no choice as an alliance but to help our members in their fight against Haven. To this end, I propose the following:

Resolution 1: Support for the UFAN and Dominion Commonwealth

If passed, this resolution will bind most COMECON members* to support the alliances of UFAN and Dominion Commonwealth in their war against the Blubs and their allies. This means all nations involved will be required to mobilize their forces and engage enemy nations upon declaration of war against DC member state Hataria and its allies in the DC and UFAN.

This resolution will remain in effect until resolution of hostilities. As per the Constitution, this resolution is one nation, one vote.


*To Praetonia and other Haven members: We understand your refusal to side with us or take sides in this conflict. If you wish, you may withdraw from the organization until this conflict is resolved. However, we ask as your allies that you refrain from engaging in total war against other COMECON members in this war; this is not a perfect or desirable turn of events, but we understand that your ties to Haven come first and we have no choice but to honor that commitment.

Well since I am a member of the UFAN and the DC I have no choice but to pledge my support. Ladies and gentlemen, were in for the ride of our lives.

"New Manth will register its vote in opposition. We have enough on our hands right now, and furthermore were not aware that any formal measure to ally with the Dominion Commonwealth had been voted on by the general council. Additionally, we must observe that had New Manth the history with Hataria that the Blub nation does, our actions would likely be similar."

"Frankly, going to war to support Hataria would be a shocking misuse of COMECON-SD's military might. Given that there are a number of theaters in which it might be better employed..."

There is a very slight emphasis on that last part. Qusay had recently recieved word of the Lost Hills attack against Manthian colonial possessions. New Manthians are digging in, but against such a large enemy the best they can hope for alone is to delay them.

"...we must vigorously protest its waste. Pearls before swine, as they say?"

With respect,
Qusay Al-Azeem, interim COMECON-SD liaison.

OOC: I cannot deny that I would not do the same in Blubs shoes. But thats Loyalty for you lol.

IC:

Official Free Dominion of Vetaka Diplomatic Message:

TO: <Open Communication>
From: Vetaka Foreign Affairs (COMECON UNIT)

Subject: Vetakan Position on the Hatarian Situation

The Free Dominion of Vetaka via its Diplomatic Obligations in UFAN and DC must vote Yes. However Vetaka refuses to to commit forces with the intent to enter Haven. Vetaka is committed to finding a diplomatic solution to this crisis. Would any nation be willing to attend Theeb for neutral talks regarding the siuation?

Regards

Scarlet Rogers

President of the Free Dominion of Vetaka
Lord-Governor of the Free Dominion of Vetaka
Supreme Commanding Admiral in Chief of the Vetakan Defence Forces

Transcript of a speech given by the Prime Minister to the General Assembly of the COMECON.

Delegates,

We are faced with circumstances which could define the future - or the fall - of the COMECON-SD. I will tell you know now that the passing of this resolution will result at the least in the withdrawal of Crown Commonwealth from this alliance - at worst, a state of war between the two. It would do well for me to explain now my reasons, and those of His Majesty's Government as a whole, for we have no ill-will against the COMECON, and desire greatly for it to succeed and prosper in peace, with Praetonia as a member. It is the opinion of His Majesty's Government that this goal is not only not being served, but is being directly and insensibly undermined by the actions of Vetalia in this instance.

I will address first the matter and causes of the present war between the Blub colony and Hataria. This war holds its roots, quite simply, in a most egregious, unjusitifed and unprovoked attack by Hataria upon the civil populace of the Blub colony, using orbital artillery and conventional bombs. Hatarian forces executed a most ruthless attack which left thousands of Blubs dead, and for no good reason. Is it then surprising, Sirs, that the Blub colony should seek to remove forever the terrible and enduring threat of Hatarian aggression as a menace to its populace? It is most assuredly not. Is it just for us to oppose them in their efforts? It is most assuredly not.

The Crown Commonwealth can see no justifiable cause for Vetalia's enthusiasm for protecting these common murderers.

There is not a state represented here today that would not also see its interests, and justice, served by counterattack against any state which assaulted them thus, and the fact that this state is one such as Hataria - with a long and contemptible history of such criminality - must surely heighten the urgency and the justice of moving swiftly to prevent further aggression, further murder, further crime, on their part. There is not a state here today, including Vetalia, that would act in the slightest differently in the circumstances which Blub is now faced with.

So why, then, is Vetalia hell-bent on providing aid and defence to Hataria, knowing, as they surely do, the terrible history of this criminal state?

It seems that we are not faced with any conflict between ideologies here - any honest difference of opinion between states working best to achieve what they deem a just and equitable society and state of world affairs. Indeed, the motivations behind this support - not, as you will observe, worded for "Hataria", but for "the Dominion Commonwealth", a dubious organisation of dubious states, and the "UFAN" - seem rooted firmly in the petty power-play of alliance politics. Vetalia does not even seem interested in presenting any detailed case in favour of voting for their proposition.

Sirs, if your countries vote for this resolution you will each be required to call up your troops and send them to fight and die for a cause that has not been explained and that is almost certainly unjust, in an incursion into Haven which cannot possibly be successful, to serve the political ends of a single country. The alliance is being drawn towards a destructive and unwinnable war against a Havenic force many times more powerful than itself to serve the vanity of a single state.

This is why, then, I implore you to vote no to this resolution. To vote yes is to strike a blow against self-defence, a blow against justice, a blow against the sovereignty of a free democracy. This war would be disasterous for the COMECON, but it would also be unjust.

I am afraid, Sirs, that should it remain, in spite of all this, the resolve of the majority of the COMECON to pursue a policy of war against the Blub colony, Praetonia can no longer in good conscience call herself a member of this alliance. Ships that enter Haven for the purposes of attacking the Blub colony, or any other Haven state, are liable to be engaged by the Imperial Navy. It may even come to war.

I hope sincerely that it will not.

The Kampferian Delegate arose.

Delegates from the fellow COMECON nations - I come to you at an urgent hour. At this moment, The Blub Colony moves to attack Hataria, both a member of UFAN and the DC. As a member of both of these alliances, Kampfers' hand has been shown. We must move to protect our brethren. As a member of COMECON, I urge, no I beg that you aid us in our fight. Should all nations not be given a chance for redemption? What can we say we are, if we abandon those who have done no wrong (OOC: since the last stuff), and side with those who wish to take advantage of a rebuilding nation? Does that make us Heroes? Nay, my brethren, it makes us cowards. At this very moment, the several Kampferian Army divisions are boarding aircraft to aid in the defense of Hatarian cities. And I ask you, will they go alone? Will you sit and watch as your allies fight, and die? Or will you stand and fight? Honorable Delegates - The time has come. We do not ask you to invade The Blub Colony. Rather, we ask you to defend a soveriegn nation. The leaders who attacked The Blub Colony have long since been deposed. Aid us in our defense of Hataria, and prove yourself the friends you claim to be.

He turned to the Pratonian Delegate and whispered in his ear. "Never, ever, insult the UFAN or the DC."

With all due respect, Prime Minister, we are not coming to Hataria's aid out of love or friendship for them. Were they alone, we would let the Blubs do what they wish. However, Hataria is a member of the Dominion Commonwealth, and members of the DC and UFAN as well as the COMECON are affected by this situation.

An ally is an ally; we have to honor our agreements with the DC and UFAN and we have no choice but to cast our lot with Hataria. I could not in any stretch of my conscience declare war on my allies.

I propose a request to withdraw from the blockade. The Angolans will never stand a chance against us, and Shazbotdom, and his allies, can blockade. With the withdrawal, we can focus on the support of our dear allies. With this Angolan conflict, we are wasting our time and resources for something that doesn't threaten us one bit.

I propose a request to withdraw from the blockade. The Angolans will never stand a chance against us, and Shazbotdom, and his allies, can blockade. With the withdrawal, we can focus on the support of our dear allies. With this Angolan conflict, we are wasting our time and resources for something that doesn't threaten us one bit.

OOC: NOOOO Not Angola, Hataria!!!!! I think his vote should be disregarded since he obviously does not know what conflict we are talking about.

OOC: NOOOO Not Angola, Hataria!!!!! I think his vote should be disregarded since he obviously does not know what conflict we are talking about.

I know what you guys are talking about. I know how to read.

With respects to the opinion of Praetonia, who is and will always be a valued voice among us even if they must withdraw, Wagdog simply cannot allow our ally twice-over Hataria to be subject to aggression in accordance with a senseless bloodfeud by the Blubs. We currently have our own battles to attend, but we stand by the Chairman, his nation, and all our allies that will stand. If you cannot, that is your sovereign judgment and your right; but if you can, then please muster and beat back the aggressors! NOT to invasion, no! But simply to repel the attack and show them that the past is just that: past, and that there is less than zero point in dredging it up amidst more bloodshed...

I propose a request to withdraw from the blockade. The Angolans will never stand a chance against us, and Shazbotdom, and his allies, can blockade. With the withdrawal, we can focus on the support of our dear allies. With this Angolan conflict, we are wasting our time and resources for something that doesn't threaten us one bit.

I know what you guys are talking about. I know how to read.

OOC: The first post was off subject though. This is only about Hataria, no other conflicts are being talked about.
TPF is not in COMECON, is he? If not, then the votes are 7-7

OOC: The first post was off subject though. This is only about Hataria, no other conflicts are being talked about.
TPF is not in COMECON, is he? If not, then the votes are 7-7

The first post is responding to the first couple posts on this thread. Some people in COMECON-SD already have their hands tied to other matters. Which is why I'm suggesting to that we should pull out on the blockade in FreeAngola.

Please, stop challenging me on things. I'm probably more aware of stuff in this subforums than you are.

Plus, I didn't vote yet.

The first post is responding to the first couple posts on this thread. Some people in COMECON-SD already have their hands tied to other matters. Which is why I'm suggesting to that we should pull out on the blockade in FreeAngola.

Please, stop challenging me on things. I'm probably more aware of stuff in this subforums than you are.

Plus, I didn't vote yet.

OOC: Sorry, didn't mean to offend you...

With respects to the opinion of Praetonia, who is and will always be a valued voice among us even if they must withdraw, Wagdog simply cannot allow our ally twice-over Hataria to be subject to aggression in accordance with a senseless bloodfeud by the Blubs. We currently have our own battles to attend, but we stand by the Chairman, his nation, and all our allies that will stand. If you cannot, that is your sovereign judgment and your right; but if you can, then please muster and beat back the aggressors! NOT to invasion, no! But simply to repel the attack and show them that the past is just that: past, and that there is less than zero point in dredging it up amidst more bloodshed...

I am not asking you not to support your ally outside the COMECON-SD, but merely not to mandate that the rest of the COMECON-SD join you in so doing.

As New Manth is a member of neither the Dominion Commonwealth nor UFAN, we would resent being pulled into the conflicts of those two alliances. As a member of COMECON-SD our forces will always be available to defend a fellow COMECON-SD member from assault, but we have no desire to see our men die to defend a nation which is not only not even a member of this alliance, but is in fact one we want nothing at all to do with, in a war which involves no aggression against any COMECON-SD member.

With respect,
Qusay Al-Azeem, interim COMECON-SD liaison.

OOC: Sorry, didn't mean to offend you...

Its fine. Just don't do it again.

I am not asking you not to support your ally outside the COMECON-SD, but merely not to mandate that the rest of the COMECON-SD join you in so doing.

As New Manth is a member of neither the Dominion Commonwealth nor UFAN, we would resent being pulled into the conflicts of those two alliances. As a member of COMECON-SD our forces will always be available to defend a fellow COMECON-SD member from assault, but we have no desire to see our men die to defend a nation which is not only not even a member of this alliance, but is in fact one we want nothing at all to do with, in a war which involves no aggression against any COMECON-SD member.

With respect,
Qusay Al-Azeem, interim COMECON-SD liaison.

Despite what you just said, are you not our ally? If our soldiers are dying, will you not come to our aid? Think not of it as helping Hataria, think of it as helping your ally. I assure you, if your soldiers were dying, we would help you in a heartbeat.

OOC: Vote still 7-7 excluding TPF, Blub, and Hataria

"I think, delegates, that it is important we make our position clear. We are not helping Hataria, we are helping the Dominion Commonwealth and its allies that have been forced to go to war to defend member-state Hataria from aggression on the part of the Blubs.

Were Hataria alone, we would let them settle this situation on their own. But when someone raises their hand against a member of the COMECON-SD, we are required to support them by virtue of our agreement. I have already allowed members with preexisting conflicts in the matter to temporarily withdraw until the matter is resolved, but I ask all of you as friends and allies to consider your decision and really think about whether or not it will help resolve the matter at hand.

I for one am proud to stand beside my allies in the Dominion Commonwealth and UFAN to counter aggression against their member state Hataria, and I implore all other COMECON-SD members to do the same. If our blood must stain the soil, at least let us do it honorably, knowing that we have supported our comrades in a time of need."

I will stand by your side, if, by any chance, your men will be injured in this battle. Though, I will not involve myself into another man's war over a nation that is not my friend. An act of aggression to defend against another nation that I have not yet established a certain relation either. I cannot participate in this conflict, until someone in COMECON-SD becomes involved deeper in the conflict.

"Your concern is acknowledged, and we understand your reservation at getting involved in such a dangerous situation. Thankfully, we do not immediately require your aid, but when we do we will not forget that Leocardia was ready to help us when the time came."

Sergei Antropov had gotten more and more emotional as the meeting went on. He was both inspired and terrified at what was happening, and could not easily contain it in the agitated atmosphere of the meeting.

OOC: Honako will vote yea, and thus break the 7-7 deadlock.

Despite what you just said, are you not our ally? If our soldiers are dying, will you not come to our aid? Think not of it as helping Hataria, think of it as helping your ally.

"COMECON-SD is a defensive alliance, not an aggressive one. We have stood ready several times to commit forces to the defense of COMECON-SD allies when they were threatened by foreign aggression, and will continue to do so in the future. This conflict, however, is an aggressive intervention into a foreign conflict. We do not condemn any COMECON-SD members if they choose to make such an intervention, but we do not wish to be dragged into attacking foreign nations who have not attacked any COMECON-SD member."

I assure you, if your soldiers were dying, we would help you in a heartbeat.

Perhaps an example would be illustrative, New Manthian soldiers are at this moment fighting and dying on the shores of Hamilay to support the Hamilayan government. It would not be right for us to ask for or expect your support, because the fact of the matter is that New Manth is waging an aggressive war and, however just it may be, we accept that no COMECON-SD member should be obligated to aid in such conflicts. Similarly we have not asked any COMECON-SD member to support us in our action against FreeAngola, since that action, however richly justified, is aggressive in nature. You can imagine how much stronger our feelings when faced with the case of Hataria, where we could be asked to defend a country we want nothing at all to do with.

To conclude, we acknowledge the right of COMECON-SD members to engage in aggressive actions, but only in defense should the rest of the alliance be called upon, and we hope that they would refrain from doing so in cases where it would lead to conflict with other COMECON-SD members, such as the current situation. We have scrupulously observed this principle so far and hope that the same courtesy will be extended to us in turn."

With respect,
Qusay al-Azeem, interim COMECON-SD liaison.

OOC: Vote still 7-7 excluding TPF, Blub, and Hataria

OOC: Huh? If Hataria is coming along trying to influence our voting... well let's say that that makes me about as reluctant to aid him OOC as IC... :/

OOC: Huh? If Hataria is coming along trying to influence our voting... well let's say that that makes me about as reluctant to aid him OOC as IC... :/

OOC: Yeah, but that counters the person who is attacking him also voting, actually before he voted.

"As the Chancelloress of Pan-Arab Barronia is currently residing in Hataria on diplomatic matters, this nation has no choice but to vote "Yea" on this proposal.

We find the Blubs desire for genocide disturbing, and would fully support a peaceful resolution for the matter. However, this does not mean that we would not be swayed into a full display of military force.

For COMECON members' information, our 4th Expeditionary Battlefleet is currently residing in Hatarian waters, and is now at Hatarian disposal."

"The Government of Kahanistan supports whatever measures are required to defend Hataria. We are formally allied with the Hatarian Second Empire, and currently we have a high-level politician and substantial amounts of military hardware in the conflict zone. We cannot allow the Hatarians to be invaded and murdered in the streets by the Blubs. I therefore vote yea on this proposition." - Wolabu Kitanga, Delegate to COMECON from the Free Havenic Republic of Kahanistan

"Ah... Wolabu Kitanga, let me put it in terms of an example.

Say a COMECON-SD nation were to ally itself with the Doomani. Now the Doomani get invaded by the Allaneans. Would you want to be dragged along by this nation to fight in defense of the Doomani, because they were allies?

I presume not, yet that's essentially what you are asking my nation and others to do for Hataria. That's why COMECON-SD as a whole should stay out of foreign interventions and restrict itself to self-defense and mediating conflicts between members.

COMECON-SD has already at least once stepped in to a conflict which threatened to involve member nations on both sides, and ordered that all COMECON-SD nations withdraw from the conflict until a negotiated solution could be reached. Given the similar circumstances here, I ask why this has not happened here."

With respect,
Qusay Al-Azeem, interim COMECON-SD liaison.

"The situations are not that similar, Mr. al-Azeem. If the Doomani people were being subjected to genocide, as the Hatarians are being threatened with, I would have no objection to protecting their civilians. However, I would never wish for our forces to be called in to fight alongside their military, if it was protecting the government of Maximus. If we could negotiate a solution to the Blub conflict, we would, but you cannot negotiate with a party that refuses to talk."

Although normally the Republican Monarchy would preach prudence in the face of warfare, we cannnot stand back now and watch the vile Blubs attack a severely beaten and bruised Hataria. A Hataria I would like to remind you that has been severely reduced in size and power since the last Hatarian War. Right now Hataria is basically under the control of the DC and seeing as how the UFAN and COMECON-SD have both thrown their lot in with the DC, we see no reason for the Blub Agression.

So we will mobilize our military to counter the Blub Attack and help defend Hataria. Although we must warn you all that our Navy is vastly underpowered compared to many smaller nations. Our Air-Force and Army more then make up for this though.

OOC: I write up what I am deploying later.

"If we could negotiate a solution to the Blub conflict, we would, but you cannot negotiate with a party that refuses to talk."

"But sir, as far as we can discern, the Hatarians are the ones who have refused to talk. The Blubs have given quite reasonable terms, in my and my government's opinion. An official statement of responsibility and apology, for one; surely nobody could argue that an apology is unwarranted, given the heinous acts of the Hatarian government which were as far as I can tell fully supported by the populace and many among the current regime. And as for the treaty the Blubs requested, I was under the impression that their military was already restricted to self-defense levels. So really, this war could be averted if the Hatarians apologized for past actions and promised not to do the same thing again. I suspect most nations would be hard-pressed to be so generous were their own and the Blubs' places switched. Yet the Hatarians refuse.

Quite frankly, the situation is spiraling into that which many feared from the beginning. The Hatarians are once again choosing war over negotiation, and the Dominion Commonwealth seems perfectly content to play the part of the Hatarians' stooge. I strongly protest this alliance and its members being used as pawns in Hatarian and Dominion Commonwealth warmongering."

OOC: For reference, the terms the Blubs offered:

Our terms are simple. Release a statement accepting full blame for the war, as well as an official apology for the attack on civilians. Further, you will reduce your military down to self-defense levels only, and sign a treaty promising to use your military for defense only.

"Delegates,

"We have seen from the latest statement by the Vetalian delegate that the pro-war faction in this alliance has ceaded any claim to morality or even truth that it could once have clung to. We have heard that we must help "our allies" in the Dominion Commonwealth. The Vetalian delegate speaks as though we are all allied to the Dominion Commonwealth - that we all share exactly the same interests and aims as Vetalia. We are not, and we do not. We are, in fact, free states, and many of us do not appreciate the implication that we ought to be proud to send our free citizens to die on behalf of a petty dictator's pseudo-empire in its attempt to defend a criminal state from the consequences of its own criminal actions.

"I, for one, do not understand what drives a statesman to believe that because his own country may be obliged to defend another through treaties it (perhaps foolishly) signed, it is also obligued to compell as many other unrelated states to help also, if necessary against their will. What further perplexes me is what would drive a government to attempt to do this to the COMECON in contravention of the alliance's own charter, from which I shall read now:

"'The COMECON is primarily a defensive partnership. In the event that a nation goes to war and the COMECON judges it to be unjustly offensive in nature, all member nations reserve the right to refuse intervening in that military conflict with no penalty.'"

"This war is not in response to any attack on the COMECON, or even on a shared ally, but upon the ally of an ally of some of the memberstates, and that attack is itself really a counterattack. This war is therefore clearly offensive in nature and thus this resolution cannot be binding, as it claims to be, and it can be freely ignored by whatever memberstates should wish to ignore it.

"But, Sirs, there is a more important question that the practical concerns of becoming treaty-bound to aid in a villainous war - that is of the world view and purpose of the COMECON as a whole.

"When I led the Crown Commonwealth into this alliance, I did so on the basis that it appeared to espouse the same values as us - free trade, democracy and the resolve to defend these things from outside force. Now it appears that the majority of the membership believe that the purpose of the alliance is to funnel countries into the support of the Dominion Commonwealth and the UFAN - that we are to be a proxy alliance on behalf of those former two alliances. Indeed, a sizeable minority, probably even a majority, of the members of this alliance are members of those two alliances, and clearly see those alliances' interests as taking precedence over those of the COMECON, whose interests cannot possibly be served by becoming involved in an unwinnable war defending a country which is not even a member from the consequences of its own criminal past.

"Sirs, if this alliance is to be a mere puppet of the Dominion Commonwealth, then it would be far better to tell it for what it is, to disband it as useless, for those countries which would rather pursue their fortunes with the Dominion Commonwealth to do so, and let us have done with it."

The Prime Minister got up and left the hall.

The Honakon Delegate stood up and spoke:

"However much Honako has no wish to defend Hataria, a nation that if we are honest does not warrant our help, we are somewhat obliged to help them in some way due to our involvement in the DC and UFAN. And we will not help them greatly unfortunately - we have no cause to go to war and make enemies with powerful nations over this.

We, when first joining this alliance saw it as less of a binding one than others, one that gave its members more freedom and would not require them to go to war – a more defensive, economically focused one. But this resolution seems to demand that all members of COMECON-SD commit troops, even though around half of them do not believe in the cause? Not trying to repeat what Praetonia said, we suggest that all nations in this 'alliance' choose whether they wish to place troops in Hataria, as it seems COMECON is too divided to unite and do so, and if you try and force all nations involved in this alliance to mobilize forces for something they have had no part in, to defend alliances and nations they have no connections to, it could cause a mass exodus of nations from it.

We don't wish to drag further nations into this war, we don't wish to be dragged into this war and we hope it all ends peacefully - but purely to be diplomatic and keep our good relations we must vote yea."

"Perhaps, my friends, we should change our stance from forcing COMECON members to give troops, to asking them to commit troops. This will ease the tensions, but it will still allow us to respond."

OOC: @Honako You kinda have to help him out because of UFAN and the DC...

"Perhaps, my friends, we should change our stance from forcing COMECON members to give troops, to asking them to commit troops. This will ease the tensions, but it will still allow us to respond."

OOC: @Honako You kinda have to help him out because of UFAN and the DC...

OOC: I know that, though I can't say I want to, I will in some way.

"Perhaps, my friends, we should change our stance from forcing COMECON members to give troops, to asking them to commit troops. This will ease the tensions, but it will still allow us to respond.

"Perhaps we should simply table this matter and have done? Nations that desire to commit troops to an interventionist war will do so whether COMECON-SD asks them to or not, and frankly COMECON-SD has no business even asking them to let alone requiring them. Nations that do not wish to commit troops are free to refrain under the constitution, nations that do wish to commit troops are also free to do so, on their own initiative and completely divorced from any official COMECON-SD action. Given that most of the COMECON-SD nations which have expressed interest in committing troops are only doing so because of extra-alliance obligations anyway, there seems no need for further COMECON-SD action on this matter."

The Democratic Elective Monarchy of Maraque will not commit any troops to the cause. The Democratic Elective Monarchy is a sworn enemy of the "nation" that is Hataria and any deployment of Maraquean troops would be a slap in the face to them, because their one and only job is to defend our freedom, and sometimes our allies freedom - Hataria is clearly not one of them.

Whether that means the Maraquean nation is no longer a member of this alliance, so be it. I don't wish to be a part of an alliance that has so evidently bypassed its very own constitution to try and force every memberstate to fight a war that is quite clearly an unjust one that will put our men and women in danger for a nation of scumbags.

When I voted for the Vetalian candidate for chairman, I did so in good faith that they would follow the constitution and not try to force other memberstates into their own conflicts of interest. I was wrong, and clearly I have lost all faith in this organization altogether, because this is a bright and clear violation of what this alliance is all about.

The Emperor himself, who had just spoken, then sat down.

The Droskianishk delegate attending the COMECON meeting was not the usual Prince Nikako Kutz, it was instead Mr. Killok the Minister of International Affairs, as Prince Nikako was currently engaged in Lerasian peace talks.

"Chairman and delegates of the COMECON-SD alliance." he began "It pains the nation of Droskianishk to choose between aiding allies and protecting a nation that has apparently learned its lesson. And aiding others and continuing the chastisement of Hataria. Droskianishk was not involved in the Hatarian wars and thus has no room to judge the actions taken by governments on either side, nor the actions taken by the victors after. It has recently been brought before the general council to vote on a by-law to cast members which draw COMECON into foolish wars out of COMECON. It is the belief of Droskianishk that this upcoming war is foolish. It is true that Hataria greatly wronged the Blubs, it is also true that Hataria has already been defeated and has begun making progress in a new direction, a better direction. The quarell the Blubs had, the wrongs they suffered were both with and perpetrated by the former Hatarian government, not by the present government. Does it make sense for a man to attack his neighbor for theft, when the neighbor that stole from him has moved away? No," said Killok shaking his head and looking around the room, " this is why Droskianishk castes it's votes 'nay' for war either in support of the Blubs, or in protection for the Hatarians. We must find a peaceful solution, a middle ground. We cannot protect actions which have no reason, and we must not advance the punishment of those which have done no wrong. It is the belief of Droskianishk that COMECON should remain neutral and press for the punishment of Hatarian actions through war reperation payments, and persuing peace with the Blubs." The Droskianishk delegate sat down slowly.

The quarell the Blubs had, the wrongs they suffered were both with and perpetrated by the former Hatarian government, not by the present government. Does it make sense for a man to attack his neighbor for theft, when the neighbor that stole from him has moved away.

While we respect and agree with your ultimate decision, we would like to point out that while the current government may be cosmetically different in that a new Emperor sits on the throne, a number of the individuals behind that throne are members of the old Hatarian government.

"I must clear up for the benefit of the members assembled that no one is required to commit troops to this if they do not want to. All they must do is say that they will not be committing troops to this war and they are free to do so without penalty from the COMECON or its members."

"The Shakal wont support a war if it means helping Hataria. They are an enemny and menace to the Empire and if COMECON insists on supporting a nation as long time evil as Hataria we will end up resigning our position in the government."

"I must clear up for the benefit of the members assembled that no one is required to commit troops to this if they do not want to. All they must do is say that they will not be committing troops to this war and they are free to do so without penalty from the COMECON or its members."

We are sorry about our misunderstanding of the situation then, but the resolution put forward was worded as if it was required that all members commit troops to defend Hataria.

We are sorry about our misunderstanding of the situation then, but the resolution put forward was worded as if it was required that all members commit troops to defend Hataria.

I agree. As COMECON members, we are in a stance for defensive purposes, not for a member's interest.

The Droskianishk delegate stood again, "We would like to mention the situation in Lerasia, this situation grows hotter by the day and I have been informed that the current peace talks are breaking down and Ennuis is threatining war on Droskianishk. It is the Droskianishk request that nations let Ennuis know that this war mongering will not be tolerated."

[OOC: Vetalia: By the way, and I may just be being stupid here, but where exactly does the original treaty mention "one nation, one vote"? As far as I can see, it only sets out the population-adjusted voting, in which case "nay" has won, not "aye". Did you just make this up, or have I missed something?]

OOC: It was always a part of the constitution. However, most people in this thread also seem to have forgotten that nations with a population greater than 1 billion can veto any issue passed by the security council, which then requires a 2/3 vote to overturn.

I also posted the final version of the constitution on here, but I made the mistake of doing it at 3 in the morning and nobody saw it.