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LY3A1/A2 Warhound Main Battle Tank, Protectorate of Lyras

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The answer to any main battle tank on the market today.

Key Data
Crew 3 (Driver, Commander, Gunner)

Dimensions
Length (With Gun Forward): 14.76m
Height: 3.98m
Width: 4.1m (+ 0.60m with slat armour fitted)
Weight: 79.79 tonnes
Ground Clearance: Variable. Default at 50cm


Performance
Maximum (Governed) Speed: 82 kph
Cross Country Speed: 58.3 kph
Speed, 10% Slope: 26 kph
Speed, 60% slope: 11.1 kph
Acceleration: 0kph to 32 kph in 6.8 seconds
Range: 500 km (440 km at operational cruising speed)

Manoeuvrability
Vertical Obstacle Crossing: 106 cm (41 in)
Trench: 270 cm (9 ft)
Suspension: Hydropneumatic

Armament
Main Armament: 155mm/65 calibre smooth bore cannon, LY366 (40 rnds)
Coaxial Weapon: 30mm automatic cannon, LY105 (450 rnds)
Commander's Weapon: 7.62mm machine gun, LY64 (2,400 rnds) on powered remote rotary platform.

Power
Propulsion: LY 663 Bw-404 V12 diesel 2,500 HP (2,303 kW) at 2600 RPM.
Transmission: Hydrokinetic automatic transmission (4 fwd gears, 2 rvse)
Power-to-Weight Ratio: 31.332hp/t

Armour and Protection
Armour: Chobham, 4th Generation Composite, ERA blocks, optional slat attachments, depleted uranium mesh (-A2 only).
NBC Protection: SCFM, clean cooled air, LYMkII CBRN overpressure system.
Missile Countermeasures: LYI Mk3 L-B ATGM CMD




The LY3 Warhound main battle tank is the new and principle combat tank of the Lyran Protectorate Armed Forces with three main versions being deployed starting from three years ago: the LY3X test platform, LY3A1, and LY3A2. The latest versions of the LY3A2 have an upgraded armour and electonic warfare/communications package. All models feature digital fire control systems with laser range-finders, fully stabilized main gun/coaxial cannon, and night vision equipment. It is named, as is Lyran tradition, for a large canine.

The LY3A1/A2 Warhounds are gradually replacing the LY2 Mastiff in Lyran service, as well as the LY2A3-2 Bull Mastiff Tank Destroyer. It does, however, continue to serve alongside the LY2, which had entered service just eight years before LY3A1/A2.

Background and Development
As many recent Lyran weapons and equipment upgrades, the Warhound's development came as a result of the spectacular success of the Varessan invasion of the Dominion of Upper Virginia. The new Varessan V9A3 MBTs were known to Lyras, as indeed to the rest of the world, but the full potency of the very large, very heavily armoured vehicles was not appreciated until the Battle of Courtland. In that engagement a single Varessan armoured regiment destroyed two Upper Virginian mechanised brigades, and their supporting armoured regiment. It was found, to the horror of the Dominion Army, that the 120- and 125mm main guns on the medium and heavy tanks they were using were completely ineffective against the combination explosive reactive, sloping chobham and external slat armour being utilised by the Varessans. Several noted incidents had single V9 tanks being engaged from multiple sides, at close range, by Upper Virginian tanks and vehicle- and shoulder-fired anti-tank guided missiles, without success.

The near-panic this caused was due to the fact that the tank guns and ATGMs used by Lyras were, in large part, based upon specifications obtained under open-license from the Dominion of Upper Virginia. The LY2 Matiff, while a relatively new and highly capable tank in its own right, was simply not up to the task of combating the new, fifth generation tanks being developed by the Varessan Commonwealth.

In the two years immediately following the Varessan intervention into Upper Virginia, the Lyran Government had established two primary lines of developmental thought. Some within the Protectorate, especially those with non-army backgrounds, advocated in favour of simply up-gunning the LY2 Mastiff, and put forward a proposal in favour of the LY2A4, which would utilise the same calibre of main gun as the Bull Mastiff tank destroyer. They sighted the high cost of another developmental program comparable to that which yielded the Mastiff series, and the ease of simply upgrading main armament, as against entirely new production runs. The second school of thought favoured an entirely new design, seeking to take full advantage of information received in the aftermath of the intervention, and developing an entirely new platform to do so.

The Executive Command Staff decided to pursue both simultaneously, with prototypes 1 through 10 being variously modified versions of the LY2, and 11 through 20 being prototypes for the LY3X.

Following a series of computer simulations, prototypes 8 and 19 were built and freighted to the South Bredubar Testing Range, together with hull number seven and a special target vehicle to test the armour and armour penetration capabilities of the new vehicles. The prototype was dubbed Warhound at that testing range. Comparative tests between the LY2A4 Super Mastiff and the LY3X Warhound prototypes were held from 8 October to mid December. The Army reported that the LY2A4 and the LY3X were comparable in firepower as they featured the same 155mm main weapon, but the Warhound was superior in speed, acceleration, range and armour protection.

The Warhound went into production as the LY3A1 in May of the following year, and has been gradually phasing out the LY2 in the Lyran inventory.

Trials conducted during exercises with the Holy Errikan Empire of Errikland revealed some interesting Errikan developments in electronic warfare and battlefield- and operational-level communications. Exploitation of this information (with Errikan consent) lead to the development of the LY3A2, in concert with metallurgical technological advances acquired from Ur-Allon Mining and Resources of North Storn.

To date, over 14,000 LY3A1 and -A2 tanks have been produced, with more rolling off the production lines as fast as the Lyran Protectorate can manage, at an approximate cost of 4 million Varessan crowns (Vc) (approximately NS$7 million) per unit.

Armour and protection synopsis
The Warhound is protected by Chobham armor, a form of composite armor composed of multiple layers of steel and ceramic. It is also fitted with explosive reactive armor on important areas, as standard. Fuel and ammunition are located within armored sub-compartments with integral blowout panels and anti-spalling Kevlar liners. Beginning with the introduction of the -A2 series, Warhounds received improved armor packages that incorporated depleted uranium (DU) mesh in their armor to the fore of the turret and in the forward sections of the low-profile hull. Armour bolstered by this means offers considerable additional protection against medium and high-grade anti-tank weaponry, but adds substantial weight to the platform, hence the requirement for the upgraded engine on the -A2 to compensate, and allow equivalent performance.

Either -A1 or -A2 models may be equipped with slat (or bar) armour, which is a simple “cage” affixed to the outside of the hull, designed to detonate anti-tank weapons before they contact the main body of the MBT. This also increases the weight fractionally, but, especially in urban operations, is more important in that it adds an additional 30 cm of width to both sides of the vehicle. Most Lyran Warhounds are equipped with this armour as standard.

Further, both models are fitted with the Lyran InfoWar Mark III laser-based ATGM counter-measure device. This is attached to the rear-left of the turret, and is designed to neutralise the guidance systems on laser-, infra-red and radar-guided anti-tank missiles. Unguided and visually-directed/TOW missiles are by nature unaffected by this system.


Main Armament
The LY366 155mm gun-launcher on the LY3A1/A2 was first developed for the LY2A3-2 Bull Mastiff Tank Destroyer, and was equipped with a bore evacuator and an open breech carbon dioxide scavenging system, which was composed of two blow jets that pushed CO2 into the open breech, after firing to flush any remnants of the combustible case ammunition. However, this system also blew any burning pieces of left over combustible cases around the turret, which was unpleasant for the crew and potentially deadly with the rest of the ammunition around. A closed breech scavenging system (CBSS) was developed and the autoloader adapted accordingly, to resolve this problem. CBSS blew any remaining pieces of the ammunition out of the weapon while the breech was still closed. CBSS was first installed on LY2A3-2 number 416, and retrofit kits were developed for the previous vehicles.
This was the weapon that made the transition over to the Warhound from the Bull Mastiff. In Bull Mastiffs with CBSS, ammunition stowage was reduced to a total of 30 rounds and missiles since one of the air cylinders replaced an ammunition rack. The Warhound's redesigned turret brought the ammunition supply for the main gun back up to 40 rounds.
The 155mm gun-launchers are differentiated by the following factors: LY366 was fitted with a bore evacuator and the open breech scavenging system; LY366 Modified was an LY366 retrofitted with the CBSS; LY366E1 had a shallower missile keyway to reduce firing stresses on the barrel, and the barrel was thickened near the muzzle. When CBSS was introduced, the bore evacuator was omitted from new-production gun-launchers.
As far as projectiles are concerned, new APFSDS rounds like the LY29 were developed specifically to address the threats posed by Varessa's V9A3 or Ilek-Vaad's Jaguar-Daimler Growler, given their unusually high level of protection. High explosive anti-tank (HEAT) shaped-charge rounds such as the LY30 (the latest version of which (LY30A1) incorporates a sophisticated multi-function electronic sensory fuse and increased fragmentation, allowing it to be used effectively against armoured vehicles, personnel and low-flying aircraft) were developed for the Warhounds specifically, although they are backwards compatible with all LY366 munitions. Unlike many tanks it was designed to go up against, the Warhound uses an autoloader, as opposed to cramming an extra crewman into the turret. Modern autoloaders, coupled with innovative use of muzzle-brakes, recoil-compensation and case extraction systems, have increased the rate of fire of the LY366 above any comparable system on the market.
The new LY38 155 mm anti-personnel canister cartridge has been brought into service early for possible use in increasingly tense North Calaveras. The system contains 1,750 tungsten projectiles which spread from the muzzle to produce a shotgun-like blast-effect lethal out to 700 m. The tungsten balls can be used for an extremely wide variety of tasks at short-to-medium range, where conventional munitions may not suit the mission profile.

In addition to this, the new MRM-KE (Mid-Range-Munition Kinetic Energy) rounds for the LY366 are also in development. In essence, this promises to be a cannon-fired, guided round, with an approximate range of 18 km. It is hypothesised to use a kinetic warhead, with rocket assisted terminal profile. This is intended to be the most effective penetrator yet, an improvement over the NS-standard 4th generation DU penetrator, with an estimated penetration 1190 mm of RHA.

Secondary Armamant
The LY105 is a single barrel, externally powered (4 HP electric motor), electrically fired weapon. It is mounted on the forward right section of the Warhound's turret, coaxial to the main gun. It fires 30mm linkless ammunition at a rate of 625 ± 25 rounds per minute. The LY105 has a positive cook-off safety (open bolt clearing) and double ram prevention. It uses the following shells, loaded at unit level:
LY89 High Explosive Dual Purpose (HEDP) rounds for anti-armor and anti-personnel
LY99 High Explosive Incendiary (HEI) rounds for anti-personnel and anti-materiel
API (Armor Piercing Incendiary) (DU) 30mm Ammunition

In addition to the LY105, the commander can operate a conventional LY64 7.62mm MG, by means of a remotely operated pintle mount on the upper left of the vehicle's turret.

Aiming and targetting
The Warhound is equipped with a powerful ballistic fire-control computer, called the Cromwell system, that inputs and actively seeks information from a wide variety of sensory sources, including the thermal or daylight gun sight, a manually operated laser rangefinder, automatic crosswind sensor, a pendulum static cant sensor, ammunition type and temperature, and a high-precision muzzle reference sensor (MRS) that calculates barrel drop due to gravity and temperature. The Cromwell system utilises this information to compute a firing solution for the gunner, based upon analysis of the target beneath the reticle. This is achieved in less time than it would take the gunner to depress the firing stud. The firing solution that Cromwell generates ensures a hit percentage greater than 98 percent at standard ranges, across all conditions. Both the commander and gunner can fire the main gun. Further, both the commander and the gunner are equipped with Networked Independent Thermal Viewers, which can be used to locate targets and pass them on to each other, or to the networked higher command, to ensure optimum engagement flexibility. The thermal sight uses NS standard common modules, with 120 element cadmium mercury telluride, CdHgTe (also known as CMT) infra-red detector array operating in the 8 to 14 micron waveband. The infra-red detector units are cooled with a closed-cycle engine.

Mobility
The LY3A1/A2 is powered by a 2,500 hp LYM 663 Bw-404 V12 diesel that outputs (2,303 kW) at 2600 RPM. It features a (four forward, two reverse) Lyran-Allison Hydro-Kinetic automatic transmission, giving it a governed top speed of 82 kph (51.25 mph) on paved roads, and 58 kph (36.25 mph) cross-country. With the engine governor removed, speeds of around 112.5 kph (90 mph) are possible onroad surface; however there is a greatly increased risk of damage to the drive train or tracks, and these speeds tend to greatly degrade road surfaces. The engine governer can be set to “off” by the commander if the circumstances require.

Most superheavy cargo aircraft can carry at least one, sometimes two Warhounds in combat configuration, and up to three in “transport configuration”.

Export
Export versions are similar in most respects to Lyran versions, with most of the C4I interfaces removed to allow input by purchasers of required systems, and prevent Lyran cryptographic and communications equipment being compromised. Modified and/or custom versions of the Warhound MBT are available from the Lyran Protectorate, with costs altering as circumstances warrant.

Conclusion
Is the Warhound the very best battle tank in the world? As with a lot of things, it all depends on your perspective, but no one can deny its advanced design, its extensive armor protection, mobility, extremely high firepower, and its relative affordability. When the whole package is integrated to a high quality, well organised and capable combat force, the LY3A1/A2 Warhound is definitely worth a look in at the top of the MBT pack.

Standard LY3A1 and LY3A2 versions can be acquired at 4,000,000 Vc (NS$8,000,000), and 4,500,000 Vc (NS$9,000,000) per unit, respectively.

Cost to acquire manufacturing licence (select which package):

LY3A1

Class A license: 0-100 units, NS $20,000,000, + $6,000,000 per unit manufactured.
Class B license: 101-500 units, NS $600,000,000, + $4,000,000 per unit manufactured
Class C license: 501-1000 units, NS $2.4 bn + $2,000,000 per unit manufactured
Class D license: 1001 + units, NS $4.2 bn + $1,500,000 per unit manufactured
Open licence: No pre-set production limit. NS $6 bn + $1,000,000 per unit manufactured

LY3A2

Class A license: 0-100 units, NS $20,000,000, + $6,500,000 per unit manufactured.
Class B license: 101-500 units, NS $600,000,000, + $4,500,000 per unit manufactured
Class C license: 501-1000 units, NS $2.4 bn + $2,500,000 per unit manufactured
Class D license: 1001 + units, NS $4.2 bn + $2,000,000 per unit manufactured
Open licence: No pre-set production limit. NS $6 bn + $1,500,000 per unit manufactured

Currently exporting to:
North Storn (LY3A2, 10. Open licence. Manufactured: 2200 to date)
Minerias (LY3A2, 10,000)
Black Forest Security (LY3A2, 96)
Asgarnieu (LY3A2, 12,000. Open licence. Manufactured: 5000 to date)
Buddha C (LY3A2, 2000)
Cazelia (LY3A1, 400)
Verenberg (LY3A2, 5000. Open licence. Manufactured: 0 to date)
Alversia (LY3A2, 500. Open licence. Manufactured: 4500 to date)
Pan-Arab Barronia (LY3A2, 5000. Open licence. Manufactured: 0 to date)
Greal (LY3A2, 100)
Tarlag (LY3A1, 0. Open licence. Manufactured: 1500 to date)
Central Prestonia (LY3A2. 2000)
Order of America (LY3A2. 350)

Gross turnover: NS $321.254 bn (+a whole lot of ration-pack cheese, and 40 years worth of uranium supply {power-generation only})

Number of Warhounds in foreign service: 50,656
Of which 13,200 produced under licence.


OOC: Comments welcome, as well as purchase requests.

OOC: Can we buy 5,000 LY3A2 tanks?

Greal, preliminary analysis of your nation has indicated that you are a member of the Sons of Lenin military alliance. As such, we have deduced that you are communist.

Lyras is most definitely NOT communist, and is most certainly NOT going to sell these vehicles to anyone allied to the communists of North Calaveras.

We do thank you for your interest, however.

OOC: Um... wow...

155mm main gun! The Varessans aren't going to know what hit them. Well, they will... all 155mm of it *evil laugh*.

IC:

Datadyne Information Systems, in concert with Ur-Allon Mining and Resources, would like to purchase ten LY3A2 vehicles for testing and evaluation purposes.

The requested funds, Vc 45,000,000 are available as and when this transaction is approved.

Porto di Minas Federal District, The Incorporated States of Minerias;

To: Lyran Government
From: Dr. Maria De Alejandria, Director of External Affairs, Department of National Defense

It brings me great pleasure to inform you that our Secretary of Defense, Ulises Federov, has approved the purchase of 10000 of your LY3A1/A2 Warhound Main Battle Tanks at NS90,000,000,000.00. We are prepared to wire the said amount to your company and purchase these vessels as soon as you can make them available.

We will await your answer.

Atte.

Maria de Alejandria
Minerias Department of National Defense

(whats OOC?, im kinda new here)

OCC: A lot of bang for the buck, here. 155mm and very decent armour...

IC: While not being able to afford many, we would like to purchase the tanks themselves, as well as whole-of-life support for the vehicles, if possible. Our own domestic arms manufacturing industry and infrastructure is not developed enough to build or maintain a top-of-the-line tank like this, but a single regiment should be within our price range, if you are willing to provide some support.

Michael Dougherty
Chief Operating Officer
Black Forest Security

OOC: Unless this tank is going without a turret, I don't see how you intend to fit a 155mm/65-calibre gun on a tank 11.76 meters in length. I mean, just the gun barrel alone is over 10 meters long, nevermind the firing and training mechanisms, the turret itself, the ammunition storage and loading mechanism, etc.

I'm by no means an expert on tanks, but I think you're gonna either have to change the overall length of the tank, or downsize the gun to make it work.

Better yet, you should probably post your design up on the Draftroom (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?) and have them check it out, so they can help make your design work.

North Storn:

Your request for 10 vehicles for testing and evaluation has been approved by Lyran Executive Command. In recognition of the support in the development of the LY3A2 provided by Ur-Allon Mining and Resources, we are waiving the usual cost.

We are confident that you will be satisfied, and will make arangements for a larger subsequent purchase if you so desire.



To: Dr. Maria De Alejandria, Director of External Affairs, Department of National Defense,
From: Lyran Governmental Trade Department

We are very pleased to learn of your decision to acquire the LY3A2 Warhound as your nation's MBT. 10,000 frames have been set side for delivery to the Incorporated States of Minerias. Please confirm, before delivery, whether you are seeking the LY3A1 or LY3A2 model.

Regards
Lieutenant General Aleksandr
Director
Lyran Governmental Trade Department

OOC: OOC means "Out of Character". A comment made between players.


Black Forest Security:

Your request for a regiment's worth of Warhounds is approved, pending two questions.
Firstly, how many tanks are fielded in one of your regiments? This is NS, and there are a wide number of differing definitions of "regiment".
Secondly, which model would you like to field?

OOC: Unless this tank is going without a turret, I don't see how you intend to fit a 155mm/65-calibre gun on a tank 11.76 meters in length. I mean, just the gun barrel alone is over 10 meters long, nevermind the firing and training mechanisms, the turret itself, the ammunition storage and loading mechanism, etc.

I'm by no means an expert on tanks, but I think you're gonna either have to change the overall length of the tank, or downsize the gun to make it work.

Better yet, you should probably post your design up on the Draftroom (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?) and have them check it out, so they can help make your design work.

OOC: I was pondering how to fit a 155mm on a turret, and figured that with a Merkava-esque rear situated turret, with the actual barrel starting almost at the absolute rear of the tank, with the majority of the ammunition and mechanical support being situated to the side, rather than behind, it's do-able, although the profile will be very distinct. Good pick-up.

OOC: We are not communists! We don't oppresse people either, we have to have a strong miltary because someone is about to attack us.

OOC to Greal: Not communists? You're in the Sons of Lenin... which sounds moderately communist to me... I have no complaint about your oppression or otherwise though. Lyras is hardly the national equivalent of Mother Theresa...

So you're not communist?

OOC to Greal: Not communists? You're in the Sons of Lenin... which sounds moderately communist to me... I have no complaint about your oppression or otherwise though. Lyras is hardly the national equivalent of Mother Theresa...

So you're not communist?



OOC: Yes, we are not communists, Greal joined Sons of Lenin because it was a agreement between the country that is in charge of SOL and me. The agreement was that if war hits one of us, the other must send some help. Besides the people are happy with the Guy in charge of Greal, he was better then the last man to rule Greal. (Who was a Democratic President elected.)

your tank is sort of god moddy a 155 is much larger than even an abrams and theres no way it can go that fast with all of that on it, the SOL alliance deems this a failed attempt to counter our new tanks.

Out-of-character:

It's difficult to change the position of the breech of the barrel, given that you need to load it and you need to leave space in the turret in order to fit certain required things (maybe even ammunition). Your write-up claims that ammunition explosions will be solved by blow-off panels, to save the lift of the crew. This suggests the ammunition is in the turret, like the Abram's (which has the ammunition in the turret bustle). As a consequence, ammunition will be occupying the volume to the rear of the turret. Even assuming there was no ammunition there, there would be other things occupying the volume. In existing tanks there is little empty volume, except where the crew is seated (autoloaders tend to reduce the total volume of the turret because there is no longer a need to reserve X amount of volume for any given height of the loader).

Fitting a larger gun in a relatively small turret (this turret doesn't seem much larger than that of a modern MBT would be given the weight and the dimensions) is fitting it with the assumed turret ring size. Just as a note, NATO expected to require modifications on existing tank turrets in order to fit the 140mm NATO gun.

There are other problems with large and long guns. The longer the gun gets the less accurate it will be on the move and the longer it will take to stabilize when stopped. Longer barrels require less movement to move more dramatically. The problem doesn't exist just with NS' theoretical tank guns, but also with existing real-life guns such as the 120mm L/55. Although perhaps the L/55s slight decrease in accuracy might be justifiable by the increased killing potential or by an improved FCS this will not translate the same unto NS with a bigger gun.

Like I said in another thread, I prefer smaller calibers. My Cougar main battle tank used a 140mm gun, but the tank was quickly replaced by the Nakíl - the most widely produced and exported tank in the world (currently, I've exported 4.5 million of two models, with a third model coming) - which sports a 120mm gun. The future replacement will either have a 90mm or 105mm gun. You can increase the power of existing calibers of guns without the added disadvantages of using larger guns by changing the propellant. You don't have to use a solid propellant. Liquid propellants, for example, have been tested since the 70s and have more or less been proven to be superior to solid propellants in almost every way - it's unfortunate that the Crusader artillery piece was canceled. Alternatively, you could use electrothermal-chemical technology to increase the muzzle energy created by a solid propellant. There are various alternatives to conventional solid propellants - you'll have to just look around. There is plenty of basic information on the net.

I have a few other points about the rest, as well -

1. Your weight is too low. It would be impossible to offer an estimate for a more realistic weight because your dimensions are off (given the discussion of the tank gun size, the volume of your tank should be larger and therefore so should the dimensions of the tank). Admittedly, the use of an autoloader should save you between 5 to 10 tonnes worth of weight.

2. Engine power is difficult to increase. Although it would be lucrative to increase the power output of any given engine it has to be remembered that you can only fit a certain sized engine in any given engine compartment of any give tank. For example, it would be impossible to fit a 2,000hp gas turbine engine in the current engine compartment of the AGT-1500 on the M1 Abrams, unless there was a massive breakthrough which would dramatically decrease the volume of an existing gas turbine (and in the future there might be, but there is currently no technology that suggests that this will happen any time soon). In other words, although 2,500hp worth of power is great you have to think to yourself whether this fits in a tank of these dimensions. In any case, personally, I think a power to weight ratio of ~24 is the best for any tank, unless the tank was really light (and this one won't be).

3. A suggestion on the active protection system. Soft-kill systems like lasers have failed when put in combat. I prefer a hard-kill system, like Russia's Arena, or Israel's Trophy/Iron Fist.

4. If the engine can be turned off I suggest adding an under armor auxiliary power unit (UAAPU) which will allow the important sensors to continue running and allow a faster start-up time for the engine. It's actually a good idea to include one, since it will conserve fuel (the engine can be turned off when idle).

This was just constructive criticism.

your tank is sort of god moddy a 155 is much larger than even an abrams and theres no way it can go that fast with all of that on it, the SOL alliance deems this a failed attempt to counter our new tanks.

I'm sorry you feel that way, but the US (in RL) fielded a 152mm gun on the M551 Sheridan, and that was decades ago.

So this is very definitely a plausible development.

your tank is sort of god moddy a 155 is much larger than even an abrams

That within itself doesn't constitute godmod as it is entirely possible for a tank to have a larger gun than the U.S.' M1 Abrams - it would just have to be a larger, heavier tank. There are existing 140mm guns, although they are unlikely to ever be deployed.

and theres no way it can go that fast with all of that on it, the SOL alliance deems this a failed attempt to counter our new tanks.

Well, it could go that fast without a problem. It's a question on how the engine will react in terms of maintenance, and how well the gears will put up. The M1 Abrams' velocity is actually governed by a computer.

I'm sorry you feel that way, but the US (in RL) fielded a 152mm gun on the M551 Sheridan, and that was decades ago.


It was a short slow velocity gun designed to fire HEAT missiles. Smaller caliber guns arguably can be better for kinetic energy projectiles, but HEAT weapons penetrate more with higher diameters.

OOC:

ok thanks

[OOC: I think that the tank is just farkin' fine.]

Office 72
1217 Government Way
Balkan City, 85546
Balkan City S.A.R., United Democratic Empire of Asgarnieu

To: Producers of the LY3A1/A2 Warhound MBT, Lyras
From: Office of the Army of Asgarnieu, Purchases Bureau
Subject: Purchase of LY3A2 MBT's

Greetings.

We have taken great interest in the LY3A2 Main Battle Tank, and believe that it is a good choice to replace our MBT-104 Carrion MBT, which has been slated for replacement for over a year.

We are choosing the LY3A2 MBT for several reasons; survivability, power, and capability are our foremost reasons. We believe that your LY3A2 will serve our Army well, and make for a fitting replacement of the MBT-104.

Our order is as follows:

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NUMBER OF TANKS: 12,000
TOTAL COST: $108,000,000,000.00 USD
MODIFICATIONS: We ask that the producers of the tank outfit the Commander's gun with a remotely-controlled 14.5mm gun with 360 degree traverse.
QUESTIONS: We wish to inqure about the mode of the gun's firing, more specifically as to whether the gun uses an ETC method, or a conventional method. Should it use ETC, we will have to, for the first time, train tankers in the use of ETC weaponry.

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We thank you for considering our offer. We are willing to provide extra funding to rush the production of the order, as we are eager to get these tools to better defend our nation.

Respectfully,

General (4-S) Thomas F. Goodwin
Commander-in-Chief, Asgarnian Army Armored Ground Forces (AAGF)

Porto di Minas Federal District, The Incorporated States of Minerias;

To: Lyran Government
From: Dr. Maria De Alejandria, Director of External Affairs, Department of National Defense

It brings me great pleasure to inform you that our Secretary of Defense, Ulises Federov, has approved the purchase of 10000 of your LY3A1/A2 Warhound Main Battle Tanks at NS90,000,000,000.00. We are prepared to wire the said amount to your company and purchase these vessels as soon as you can make them available.

We will await your answer.

Atte.

Maria de Alejandria
Minerias Department of National Defense

(whats OOC?, im kinda new here)

[OOC: "OOC" means Out of Character. Also, I don't mean to bust your balls, but don't you think that 10K tanks is a lot for a nation with 107 million persons?]

Out-of-character:
It's difficult to change the position of the breech of the barrel, given that you need to load it and you need to leave space in the turret in order to fit certain required things (maybe even ammunition). Your write-up claims that ammunition explosions will be solved by blow-off panels, to save the life of the crew. This suggests the ammunition is in the turret, like the Abram's (which has the ammunition in the turret bustle). As a consequence, ammunition will be occupying the volume to the rear of the turret. Even assuming there was no ammunition there, there would be other things occupying the volume.


While I acknowledge that the main gun is difficult b contemporary terms, this IS a P/MT vehicle. For reference, the shells are fed by autoloader into the rear of the weapon, yes, but not FROM the rear, rather from the side. And while the ammunition is indeed stored within the turret, it is not stored BEHIND the main gun, but rather forward and below, with the autoloader handling the transition of ammunition. The turret is specifically designed around the 155mm weapon, and while it may not be appreciably taller than turrets on other tanks, it is considerably longer, and the main gun pivot assembly is located at the rear, rather than the front of the turret, to accommodate its increased length. This does complicate targetting and elevation control, but the Cromwell FCS handles it just fine.


Out-of-character:
In existing tanks there is little empty volume, except where the crew is seated (autoloaders tend to reduce the total volume of the turret because there is no longer a need to reserve X amount of volume for any given height of the loader).

Fitting a larger gun in a relatively small turret (this turret doesn't seem much larger than that of a modern MBT would be given the weight and the dimensions) is fitting it with the assumed turret ring size. Just as a note, NATO expected to require modifications on existing tank turrets in order to fit the 140mm NATO gun.


You are right here. The turret itself is very different to a standard M1-esque turret, and looks more like a cross between a Merkava and a G6. The write-up probably didn't do it justice. Something to work on for my next one.

Out-of-character:
There are other problems with large and long guns. The longer the gun gets the less accurate it will be on the move and the longer it will take to stabilize when stopped. Longer barrels require less movement to move more dramatically. The problem doesn't exist just with NS' theoretical tank guns, but also with existing real-life guns such as the 120mm L/55. Although perhaps the L/55s slight decrease in accuracy might be justifiable by the increased killing potential or by an improved FCS this will not translate the same into NS with a bigger gun.


Yes, that is an issue, and firing on the move requires more FCS input than usual, and lowers accuracy a bit. Well spotted. But the FCS is very sophisticated, as befits P/MT, and handles the additional load.

Out-of-character:
Like I said in another thread, I prefer smaller calibers.


A perfectly reasonable perspective, but open to personal preference.



Out-of-character:
1. Your weight is too low. It would be impossible to offer an estimate for a more realistic weight because your dimensions are off (given the discussion of the tank gun size, the volume of your tank should be larger and therefore so should the dimensions of the tank). Admittedly, the use of an autoloader should save you between 5 to 10 tonnes worth of weight.


Possibly, but extensive use of non-ferrous materials and high-tensile composites, in addition to the auto-loader, keeps a lot of the weight down. Lyran advances in engine design and manufacture have also saved on power-plant weight, despite performance increases.


Out-of-character:
2. Engine power is difficult to increase. Although it would be lucrative to increase the power output of any given engine it has to be remembered that you can only fit a certain sized engine in any given engine compartment of any give tank. For example, it would be impossible to fit a 2,000hp gas turbine engine in the current engine compartment of the AGT-1500 on the M1 Abrams, unless there was a massive breakthrough which would dramatically decrease the volume of an existing gas turbine (and in the future there might be, but there is currently no technology that suggests that this will happen any time soon). In other words, although 2,500hp worth of power is great you have to think to yourself whether this fits in a tank of these dimensions. In any case, personally, I think a power to weight ratio of ~24 is the best for any tank, unless the tank was really light (and this one won't be).


Granted, but you are failing to account for several decades of power, weight and space improvements. Comparable to the powerplant on a Mark I Female, as opposed to, say, a Panzer IV.


Out-of-character:
3. A suggestion on the active protection system. Soft-kill systems like lasers have failed when put in combat. I prefer a hard-kill system, like Russia's Arena, or Israel's Trophy/Iron Fist.


This was considered, but rejected to allow for greater processing power on the Cromwell FCS to be directed towards developing targetting solutions for the LY366 155mm.


Out-of-character:
4. If the engine can be turned off I suggest adding an under armor auxiliary power unit (UAAPU) which will allow the important sensors to continue running and allow a faster start-up time for the engine. It's actually a good idea to include one, since it will conserve fuel (the engine can be turned off when idle).


GAH!! You are absolutely right. I knew there was something I had forgotten. The Macabees, you will be acknowledged in the credits for the LY3A3, when it comes out...

Out-of-character:
This was just constructive criticism.

Yes, it certainly was. I'm glad for it, and your time, and I hope I have managed to address your concerns with the design.

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To: Office of the Army of Asgarnieu, Purchases Bureau
From: Producers of the LY3A1/A2 Warhound MBT, Lyras
Subject: Purchase of LY3A2 MBT's

General Goodwin

We thank you for your selection of the LY3A2 Warhound MBT. It has been carefully designed to provide what we feel is the optimum balance of firepower, mobility, flexibility and survivability for the contemporary military environment, and are confident that you will come to the same conclusion upon receipt.

Reference your request to upgrade the remote LY64 7.62mm MG to a 14.5mm gun, we can accommodate that, but query the decision given the presence of the co-axial 30mm cannon. Please clarify whether you wish us go go ahead with the modifications.

As for the LY366, it is simply a conventional 155mm in most respects, although modified to be compatible with a tank turret, rather than functioning as the tank-destroyer main weapons that it was originally designed as.

Feel free to enquire further of us if you have any questions.

Regards
Lieutenant General Aleksandr
Director
Lyran Governmental Trade Department


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OOC to Black Forest Security:

...the US (in RL) fielded a 152mm gun on the M551 Sheridan, and that was decades ago.

So this is very definitely a plausible development.

Ta for the vote of confidence :)

While I acknowledge that the main gun is difficult b contemporary terms, this IS a P/MT vehicle.

The idea of volume requirements still exist and should be taken into consideration. PMT is not an excuse to ignore certain realities.

For reference, the shells are fed by autoloader into the rear of the weapon, yes, but not FROM the rear, rather from the side.

You will still require a lot of volume for the loading arm to load it into the rear.

And while the ammunition is indeed stored within the turret, it is not stored BEHIND the main gun, but rather forward and below, with the autoloader handling the transition of ammunition.

Where is your gunner and your tank commander? A larger gun will require more volume, reducing the amount of volume you have left for your crew. Even if you moved the gun to the rear the occupied space in general would still increase. By spreading your ammunition forward into the turret instead of a more or less appliqué turret bustle in the rear you are using up volume. Any autoloading system that has to not only bring ammunition from multiple sources, but from distant areas of a tank, will not only be bulky and occupy a lot of volume, but will also be very complex, very slow and very heavy - negating any advantages an autoloader would render in the first place.

The turret is specifically designed around the 155mm weapon, and while it may not be appreciably taller than turrets on other tanks, it is considerably longer, and the main gun pivot assembly is located at the rear, rather than the front of the turret, to accommodate its increased length.

Where is your recoil length? Recoil for such a large gun might approach or exceed 1m. If it's not taller than it will not be able to depreciate very well.

This does complicate targetting and elevation control, but the Cromwell FCS handles it just fine.

How?

You are right here. The turret itself is very different to a standard M1-esque turret, and looks more like a cross between a Merkava and a G6. The write-up probably didn't do it justice. Something to work on for my next one.

There are actually doubts that a Merkava could fit a longer 120mm gun. Just some food for thought. The fact that it's shaped like a Merkava turret does not give it any new advantages in regards to lengthy ordnance.

Yes, that is an issue, and firing on the move requires more FCS input than usual, and lowers accuracy a bit. Well spotted. But the FCS is very sophisticated, as befits P/MT, and handles the additional load.

How far PMT? This tank in general does not feel very post-modern. I normally role-play in and around 2020, and even then the lack of accuracy would be a problem for any FCS. Take into consideration that no major FCS improvements in terms of such leaps will happen within the next 15-25 years.

A perfectly reasonable perspective, but open to personal preference.

To an extent, given that the perspective is based on fact.


Possibly, but extensive use of non-ferrous materials and high-tensile composites, in addition to the auto-loader, keeps a lot of the weight down. Lyran advances in engine design and manufacture have also saved on power-plant weight, despite performance increases.

Where have you used this material? The autoloader won't save you any weight given the way you designed it, unfortunately. How much did you save on the power plant?


Granted, but you are failing to account for several decades of power, weight and space improvements. Comparable to the powerplant on a Mark I Female, as opposed to, say, a Panzer IV.

How many decades? There will be little improvement in volume of any type of engine between 2007 and 2040, for example. Of course, there will be improvements but they won't be as dramatic as you foresee them.

This was considered, but rejected to allow for greater processing power on the Cromwell FCS to be directed towards developing targetting solutions for the LY366 155mm.

Well, it's more as in the laser fails to blind the target.

OOC: Happy to give the vote of confidence. If there wasn't confidence, we wouldn't be buying.

IC:

Black Forest Security would like to notify the Lyran Government that a BFS Armored Regiment consists of 36 tanks, in 3 squadrons of 12. However, we keep a squadron in reserve at Divisional level, so a total of 48 tanks would be required.

At this stage we would like to order the -A2 variant, and agree to the NS$9,000,000 price per vehicle.

Total price comes to NS$432,000,000, pending your approval.

Michael Dougherty
Chief Operating Officer
Black Forest Security

OOC: If I were MT or P/MT, I'd buy this, without a doubt. One of the best write-ups I've seen...

Although I'd make it a 52 or 55 caliber weapon, but that's just me.

REPLY

We wish the Commander's gun to be a remotely-controlled 14.5mm, and we wish the Coaxial gun to remain in the 30mm caliber.

We, at the time, have no further questions regarding the LY2A2 MBT.

Thank you.

OOC: If I were MT or P/MT, I'd buy this, without a doubt. One of the best write-ups I've seen...

Although I'd make it a 52 or 55 caliber weapon, but that's just me.

OOC: Read Mac's tanks write up. Now that took some work...

I'm sorry you feel that way, but the US (in RL) fielded a 152mm gun on the M551 Sheridan, and that was decades ago.

So this is very definitely a plausible development.

OOC: As Mac said the 152mm gun on the Sheridan had a very short barrel and low muzzle velocity. It was a good gun for firing HEAT and HE rounds but not APDFS rounds. Given the prevelance of ERA, that meant it had little AT capability. As a result it was fitted with a gun launched ATGM called the Shilgeah, which sucked terribly.

REPLY

We wish the Commander's gun to be a remotely-controlled 14.5mm, and we wish the Coaxial gun to remain in the 30mm caliber.

We, at the time, have no further questions regarding the LY2A2 MBT.

Thank you.

As stated, we can provide the required modifications, and will do so at no extra charge.

Rest assured, despite it having detractors, this weapons platform will meet or beat anything else available in NS today.

OOC: If it wasn't for the fact that it's you of all people manfacturing this beast, for the express purpose of fighting me, I'd go for these...

Figures. I spend 6 RL months working out how to get the advantage through superior armour on my V9A3, get it, then you find a viable way to brute-force your way through.

It appears that, as usual, in the ongoing battle between warhead and armour, warhead usually wins....

Back to the drawing board for the next version, I guess...

OOC to Varessa:

You'll adapt, I'm sure. See if you can come up with a feasible response to a 155 *maniacal laugh*.

Would you be up for RP-ing something involving this nice new toy of mine. Not a war, but... I don't know. Something that gives me an excuse to play, so to speak.

your tank is sort of god moddy a 155 is much larger than even an abrams and theres no way it can go that fast with all of that on it, the SOL alliance deems this a failed attempt to counter our new tanks.

OOC well they stated the Black Eagle tank may accommodate a large 152mm gun

OOC: Yes, they did, now that I think of it. And the Black Eagle is, essentially, a contemporary tank, not one manufactured by a military state with a thriving economy and 90 years of focussed and effective technological development.

Cost?

Standard LY3A1 and LY3A2 versions can be acquired at 4,000,000 Vc (NS$8,000,000), and 4,500,000 Vc (NS$9,000,000) per unit, respectively.

Check your TGs.

Checked and responded.

OOC well they stated the Black Eagle tank may accommodate a large 152mm gun

All 'Black Eagle' prototypes which exist have the 125mm gun. The Black Eagle was a failure and will probably never see procurement. As a side note, the company which produced the prototype (Omsk) is now bankrupt and is being bailed out by the country. It was rejected by South Korea, and any other nation it was offered to.

All 'Black Eagle' prototypes which exist have the 125mm gun. The Black Eagle was a failure and will probably never see procurement. As a side note, the company which produced the prototype (Omsk) is now bankrupt and is being bailed out by the country. It was rejected by South Korea, and any other nation it was offered to.

That is quite possibly a political issue, rather than a reflection of the combat capability of the weapon's system.

Very few western or developed nations are buying Russian these days.

That is quite possibly a political issue, rather than a reflection of the combat capability of the weapon's system.

The tank was not accepted for service within the Russian armed forces. The intended replacement is the elusive T-95. One Russian military magazine called the project what happens when scientists have a lot of spare parts and time on their hands, and many have compared it to past design failures like the latter part of the IS series and the T-10 heavy tank.

The one thing it might possibly serve for is a technology tester for any future Russian tank.

Nevertheless, as I said, existing prototypes have the 125mm gun. It was rumored to be larger, but no prototype photographed has been seen with it. The same was rumored for the T-95, but most seem to settle on '135mm' as the new caliber. But, it's all speculation. I wouldn't be surprised if it was an improved 125mm gun.

Black Eagle at Omsk, with what appeared to be a larger gun (it was camouflaged by thick foliage):

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i291/Macabees/Tanks/2ad77173.png

A closer look:

http://i75.photobucket.com/albums/i291/Macabees/Tanks/Blackeagle.jpg


Very few western or developed nations are buying Russian these days.

Well, it doesn't apply to South Korea. South Korea was given a number of T-80s from Russia. South Korea saw their indigenous project superior to anything the Russians could offer them, however (the XK-2).

Never heard of the XK-2. Shows what I know... I'll have a look at it...

Well, it doesn't apply to South Korea. South Korea was given a number of T-80s from Russia. South Korea saw their indigenous project superior to anything the Russians could offer them, however (the XK-2).
OOC
this XK-2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZHB25DFGF9g

Special delivery has been despatched. Awaiting confirmation of funds transfer from BC/TN/NC.

Who do you wish to consider as purchaser, for the books' sake?

TGed.

Purchaser, shall be I. Receiver shall be Terre Nationale.

Acknowledged. See http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=528016 for details.

I General Pieter Heidel, General of the New Armoured Korp of Verenberg, have received permission from the Emperor to order 200 units of the LY3A2 for our main battle tank, i have also received permission to pay using newly developed technology: SOC MK I or "Verenberg Spike" and "Winter Water" ,
as well as our High energy cheese Developed for use in Ration packs,
subsequent orders will apply
the Emperor asks if you like these items then please contiue to order them after we have paid our debt so we may grow.....we have large stockpiles of all items so we can pay straight away



"General Der Panzer Armee"-Pieter Heidel
for the Emperor Konrad von Mannstein

General Heidel

200 LY3A2 have been released from Lyran warehouses, and earmarked for transport to Verenberg, pending conclusion of negotiations.

Regarding that, do you have technical details for the SOC Mk I?

And you know that it's going to be an awful lot of cheese?

Regards
Lieutenant General Aleksandr
Director
Lyran Governmental Trade Department

After conducting extensive trials and evaluations, North Storn has elected to take advantage of you licensing options, and would like to purchase an open license.

NS $6 bn is standing by, awaiting your assent.

Funds for the tanks themselves will be sent to you as production continues.

Cazelia would like to buy 200 LYA1 warhounds for the defence of our nation

OOC- Nice main gun

Lieutenant General Aleksandr,
you request for the SOC Mk I Has been Granted, but is now obsolete it has been superceded by the SOC MK II made by KWF and we now offer these

the SOC Mk II or "Verenberg Spike"
is a Silent Commando/Asassain weapon that breaks down into 3 Parts for easy concealment, the Stock which houses the Gas cannister used for firing the projectile, the "fore-arm" of the weapon which houses the action, the trigger, the sights etc., the third part is the barrel of 2 foot, longer and shorter barrels can be ordered, it also comes with an KWF manufactured BI-Pod and an KWF 20x opticle Scope, we are also proud to annouce we have upgraded the proto-type whiich now gives it a greater internal magazine capacity, we are also woring on a another model with a greater capacity and ex-ternal magizine


Weight: 4.0Kg
Length: 3-4 Feet
Action: Bolt/Shaft Action
Magizine Type: internal
Magizine Capacity: 5
Calibre: 8mm
Ammunition Type: a Rifled Spike Shot, designed to penetrate Body Armour
effective Range: 600m
Velocity: 1600 fps

we realise that it is "alot of cheese", so i have been authorised to offer you some recently discovered Uranium from Verenbergs SW, in the Province of Kessel, this is very handy for weapons or for power plants, also our economy has recived a boost from good economic decisions and the Emporer has increased the Defence Budget, we would now like 5000 of your latest design and we can pay with cash if you wish

North Storn:

Your request for an open license is granted. The money has been billed to the account we maintain on behalf of Ur-Allon. If I have incorrectly judged which of your corporations is making the purchase, please let me know.


Cazelia:

200 LY3A1 Warhounds have been allocated to Lyran freighters for transport to your territory. The price of NS $1.6 bn has been charged to your account. Delivery will be conducted upon confirmation of receipt of payment to the Protectorate Central Reserve.


Verenberg:

We acknowledge your purchase request for 5000 LY3A2. The production units have been flagged to you. The total costing for the order comes to NS $45 bn. Are you sure your defence budget is up for it?
Further, when do you expect Mk III Spike Rifles to finish their prototype phase?
Would you be willing to supply, say, 40 years worth of uranium, in exchange for lowering the purchase price on that large a number of tanks?

I Freidrich Wessel of the Kaisers (emperor) Imperial Court Minister for Natural Resources, on Behalf of the Kaiser Grant the request of 40 years of un-enriched unranium shipments, is Granted, with a condition, you must not export it to any other nation, if you are found to do so we withdraw shipments

according to KWF the SOC Mk III will be out of prototype pahse in the very soon...and they assure us it is worth the wait,

our Budget can hadle it, the Kaiser has addopted a stance of Re-armerment

Minister Wessel, General Heidel, et al.

Your decision to undertake aggressive re-armament on such a scale is greeted with no small measure of surprise, and a great degree of respect. While curious as to your source of revenue, we respect the fact that your financial dealings are your concern, not ours.

To that end, we offer you 5000 LY3A2 MBTs, in exchange for:

1) A working prototype of the Mk III Spike Rifle,
2) 40 years worth of sufficient uranium to power our nation's electrical infrastructure (the majority of which will go to our strategic reserves), and
3) NS$30 bn.

Do these terms meet with your approval?

Regards
Lieutenant General Aleksandr
Director
Lyran Governmental Trade Department

when our Empire Crumbled form War over a century ago, the Kaiser at the time "Maximillian the Great, realsied that we would have to re-build, and so we did over the last century, he also realsied that we would at some point have to rebuild our military, and because of our proud traditions he wanted us to charge forth with the latest in technology so for the Last century the Treasury has been saving up the Surplus from the budgets so we may re-arm so aggressivly, after the War, our Enemies had much of our land, but they did not get or Money or Our Pride, that how we re-built so fast, left over money from the Old Empire

also good economic decisions over the last Century and our hard working population, have put Verenberg back on the map and has begun its march to the glory of the old Empire

also recent Uranium Mining has helped Drastically, as one of our main exports


in short thats where our money comes from,

your Offer is accepted, the money has been transferred to you as well as your first shipment of Uranium and the SOC Mk III will be ready for you very soon

Also by order of Kaiser Konrad von Mannstein i am to offer you a large Millitary base in the Heartland of Verenberg, for free, he hopes this will bennefit both nations as well as having the added advantage of us having such a powerful ally


-Wilhelm Maxim, Minister of Foreign Affairs and Trade for the Kaisers Imperial Court
"Gott Mit Uns"

TO: Lyran Governmental Trade Department

We would like to inform you that we have, under the terms of our license agreement, begun production on a first run of 2000 LY3A2.

To that end, we transfer you NS $ 3.75 bn.

Please notify us of any concerns.

General Heidel, Minister Wessel, Minister Maxim, et al.

Your proud history does you credit. We are pleased to offer you, now, the chance to reclaim some of the strength that is yours by right.

To that end, we grant you delivery of 5000 LY3A2 MBTs. May our Warhounds hunt your foes without mercy, and bring you swift victory.

Reference the SOC Mk III, please notify us as soon as they are prepared.

We thank you for your offer of territory for military development within Verenberg. We accept, and will detail our requests in a subsequent communique. While not my department, I'm sure that Executive Command will be extremely interested in the possibilities offered herein.

Regards
Lieutenant General Aleksandr
Director
Lyran Governmental Trade Department


TO: North Storn

Your production and payment are acknowledged. Thank you for your prompt notification.

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Democratic Republic
Alversia
Military Department
________________________________________________________________________


To: Lyran Governmental Trade Department

The Alversian Government would like purchase 500 LY3A2 tanks for the Alversia People's Army. We would also like to discuss the possibility of producing them within our own borders as well as perhaps gaining a liscence to produce the tank on a large scale in Alversian Factories.
If the following are agreeable then please send us an invoice with the total that will be charged for these tanks

John Denver
Military Secratary
Illesia City
Alversia

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OOC: No pic shows in the first post.

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:Warhound_MBT_tech_drawing.JPG

That's the link from post 1, repeated for your pleasure.


TO:
Secretary Denver
Illesia City
Alversia

Executive Command have approved your initial purchase of 500 LY3A2 at a total cost of NS $4.5bn. Your selection of 500, with discussion of manufacturing arrangements, represents and intelligent balance between the immediacy of purchase orders, and the long-term economy of production licencing arrangements.

The latter are available, with general guidelines as detailed in the initial offer of sale.

If you have any questions or seek technical or tactical advice on this or any other Lyran products or services, please don't hesitate to ask.

Regards
Lieutenant General Aleksandr
Director
Lyran Governmental Trade Department

Democratic Republic
Alversia
People's Army
_________________________________________________________________

To: Lieutenant General Aleksandr

We will wire you the NS $4.5bn as soon as the delivery has been completed. We would like to know what it the maximum production run that you woudl allow under liscence?

John Denver
Military Secratary
Illesia City
Alversia

OOC: I doubt a 60cal 155mm gun would fit on this thing, and mac is quite right about the engine. As far as i can see you have ignored everything you have been told by arguably the biggest tank expert on NS, and continued with the over rated engine and speed etc. For me a major problem is an 18km range round, how on earth do you expect to target something 18km away and penetrate over 1000mm RHA at such a range! As a support weapon i could see a use, but even then not so much...

OOC: I doubt a 60cal 155mm gun would fit on this thing, and mac is quite right about the engine. As far as i can see you have ignored everything you have been told by arguably the biggest tank expert on NS, and continued with the over rated engine and speed etc. For me a major problem is an 18km range round, how on earth do you expect to target something 18km away and penetrate over 1000mm RHA at such a range! As a support weapon i could see a use, but even then not so much...

I would disagree. Since he made his points, I have redesigned the turret, added weight, lengthened and widened the chassis to accomodate the engine and, of course, lowered the horse-power to weight ratio as a consequence.

And why can't a 60 cal 155 double as a support weapon/self-propelled gun? The Warhound WAS designed with versatility in mind...

OCC:Lyras, would you like to help us develop the GNC-5 "Iron Curtain" main battle tank? tg me

SOC Mk III "Verenberg Spike" - by KWF

the Mk III is much the same design as it predercessors, comes in two different Versions the SOC Mk III/SD and the SOC Mk III/T

improvments: it now carries a 30 Round External Bannana Magizine, or a 10 round External Box Magzine, we have been able to incorparate a way to use the exhaust gasses used to fire the shot to re-load the next round, thus eliminating the Bolt, the Gas canister in the Stock can now Give 300 Shots before having to be replaced

SOC Mk III/SD - by KWF
this is the "Search and destroy" Version of the weapon, as a Primary Covert infantry weapon it is meant for going in hard and fast, then silently vanishing into the shadows without anyone knowing you where there.

Weight: 4kg
Length: 2 Feet
Barrel Length: 1 foot
Sights: Iron/Peep sights
Operation: Gas Operated Semi-Automatic
Magizine capacity: 30 round
Magizine Type: De-tactchable External Banna Magezine
Calibre: 7.62mm Rifled Spike Shot
Velocity: 1700 FPS




SOC Mk III/T
this is the sniper rifle version of the 2 weapons, it is for times when you need, infantry support, or take out a target from a distence, with Gas no one can see where the Shots Came from.

Weight: 6kg
Length: 4 Feet
Barrel Length: 2 foot
Sights: KWF 20x opticle Zoom Scope
Operation: Gas Operated Semi-Automatic
Magizine capacity: 10 round
Magizine Type: De-tactchable External Box Magizine
Calibre: 9mm Rifled Spike Shot
Velocity: 2200 FPS




we plan to give you both, but we ask that you dont modify them without KWF/Verenberg apporval or re-sell them

Also please Contect us about your military base inside the Borders of Verenberg


Gunter Weinmann-Armaments Minister

TO:
Secretary Denver
Illesia City
Alversia

The maximum production licence we grant is an open licence. There is no requirement to inform us of your production in advance for an open licence, just inform us as you produce the units. Each unit produced incurs a NS $1,000,000 commission, which is 1/9 the usual purchase price. A substantial saving, once the initial licence cost is paid off.

Regards
Lieutenant General Aleksandr
Director
Lyran Governmental Trade Department

TO: Lyras
From: NC

We need to talk in private.

OCC: I tged you.

Office 72
1217 Government Way
Balkan City, 85546
Balkan City S.A.R., United Democratic Empire of Asgarnieu

To: Producers of the LY3A1/A2 Warhound MBT, Lyras
From: Office of the Army of Asgarnieu, Purchases Bureau
Subject: Purchase of LY3A2 MBT Open Production Rights

Greetings. We are invariably pleased with the LY3A2 MBT that we purchased from your nation. However, in a time of war, we need more "bang for our buck".

We request to purchase the Open Production Rights to the Lyrian LY2A2 Main Battle Tank for a total of $6,000,000,000.00 USD.

As per your requirments, a sum of $1,500,000.00 USD will be wired for every tank we produce.

Also, should you be short of Uranium or Plutonium, we can supply you with fuel rods that are in permament storage and will reactivate them for you, ship them to you, and if necessary, build powerplants for you for absolutely nothing. Consider it a debt of gratitude for your wonderful product.

We thank you for your time and consideration.

Respectfully,

General (4-S) Thomas F. Goodwin
Commander-in-Chief, Asgarnian Army Armored Ground Forces (AAGF)

General Goodwin
Office 72
1217 Government Way
Balkan City, 85546
Balkan City S.A.R., United Democratic Empire of Asgarnieu


Sir

You request for production licence to the Warhound is not unexpected in these troubled times. We thank you for your interest, and grant you said production licence, at the agreed NS $6bn.

We request that you keep us informed of production numbers, so that we can monitor our turnover, and regulate our own future production.

Further, if you require technical assistance or anything of similar ilk, please don't hesitate to ask.

Regards
Lieutenant General Aleksandr
Director
Lyran Governmental Trade Department

I would disagree. Since he made his points, I have redesigned the turret, added weight, lengthened and widened the chassis to accomodate the engine and, of course, lowered the horse-power to weight ratio as a consequence.

And why can't a 60 cal 155 double as a support weapon/self-propelled gun? The Warhound WAS designed with versatility in mind...

Well im too lazy to check the length of your main gun but it still seems to me that the actual chassis isn't going to be very long, although i wouldn't mind seeing the picture(its not in the first post, maybe it should be added?). Also a speed of 83kph is, to my belief, too high. Not only that but a tank of 14m length and 4m wide is going to weigh a lot, more so than 79tons i would suspect, but am not completely sure of(After all, DU is heavy, just look at the M1A2).

Whilst you can use a tank gun as a support weapon it is limited as to when and how it can use it. Firstly, tank guns aren't made to elevate for the ranges a normal support weapon would use, that is the main problem you will find. You could change the design but you will be limiting the usefulness of the gun its primary role, and probably adding weight and turn rate problems etc for the gun. Also remember high angles of elevation will tilt the gun inside the actual turret, meaning you need more space for it to move into. That means you will have to build ramps for it to fire from or say from a hill etc, and secondly there may be issues with aiming the gun, because your tanks crews will need additional systems to do so or be extremely inaccurate....

There is a pic link on first page...

OOC: I doubt a 60cal 155mm gun would fit on this thing, and mac is quite right about the engine. As far as i can see you have ignored everything you have been told by arguably the biggest tank expert on NS, and continued with the over rated engine and speed etc. For me a major problem is an 18km range round, how on earth do you expect to target something 18km away and penetrate over 1000mm RHA at such a range! As a support weapon i could see a use, but even then not so much...

I would disagree. Since he made his points, I have redesigned the turret, added weight, lengthened and widened the chassis to accomodate the engine and, of course, lowered the horse-power to weight ratio as a consequence.

And why can't a 60 cal 155 double as a support weapon/self-propelled gun? The Warhound WAS designed with versatility in mind...

Democratic Republic
Alversia
People's Army
_________________________________________________________________

To: Lieutenant General Aleksandr

We would like to import 500 Lyran LY3A2's for the prementioned amount of NS$4.5bn. We will also produce 4,500 tanks within our own borders at a cost of NS$4,500,000,000. This is the initial production run and we will contact you if these details change

John Denver
Military Secratary
Illesia City
Alversia

Office 72
1217 Government Way
Balkan City, 85546
Balkan City S.A.R., United Democratic Empire of Asgarnieu

To: Lieutenant General Aleksandr, Director, Lyran Governmental Trade Department
From: Office of the Army of Asgarnieu, Purchases Bureau
Subject: Initial numbers

Greetings. We dearly thank you for granting us the production rights.

We are going to pay in advance for five-thousand (5,000) units at a total cost of $7,500,000,000.00 USD.

After those five-thousand are produced, we will churn out one hundred and fifty units each month, and monies will be wired directly to the Lyrian Government via secure transfer.

We will modify each LY3A2 to our standards regarding weaponry and we will install an upgraded engine system to give the tanks a bit more horsepower and torque. In addition, we will be replacing the tracks with a more universally-replacable version.

Once again, we thank you for your kindness and generosity.

P.S.: Have you given any thought to our offer of Uranium and Plutonium?

Respectfully,

General (4-S) Thomas F. Goodwin
Commander-in-Chief, Asgarnian Army Armored Ground Forces (AAGF)

To Asgarnieu


General Goodwin
Office 72
1217 Government Way
Balkan City, 85546
Balkan City S.A.R., United Democratic Empire of Asgarnieu

Sir

Your advance payment for 5000 production units is acknowledged, with thanks.

We note that you wish to adjust the engine, main weaponry and tracks. We would like to, in brief, offer some technical advice in that regard.

The engine on the Warhound is a monster. The LY 663 Bw-404 is a V12 diesel, at the cutting edge of Lyran engine design. It puts out 2,500 hp at 2600 RPM. Most late 20th and early 21st century tank engines output far less. An M1A2's gas turbine engine, for example, manages 1500hp. And, at over 30hp per ton, a Warhound is almost over-powered, in power to weight terms, already. I'd personally advise against putting even more power to the engines.

Reference the main gun modification you suggested, while this is possible, even feasible, we would query the utility. The turret was specifically designed for the 155mm, 60 calibres long LY366. You CAN change it, but it may be beneficial to redesign the turret. I am happy to do so for you, if you detail a main gun you would prefer.

Tracks are designed for the tanks and the terrain. If you change the engine and main gun, then the weight will change, and I would suggest that some modification would be of benefit. Exactly how would of course depend on the nature of the changes.

After those five-thousand are produced, we will churn out one hundred and fifty units each month, and monies will be wired directly to the Lyrian Government via secure transfer.

We request that you notify us of this, as it is likely that file-keeping will fall by the wayside otherwise. (OOC: It also reminds everyone that your arsenal is expanding.)

Your Uranium and Plutonium offer is gladly recieved, although we have a supplier of fissile materials. We are, however, curious as to what other major industrial or commercial areas you are willing to trade in.

Once more, as always, we are happy to answer any questions you may have.

Warmly

Lieutenant General Aleksandr
Director
Lyran Governmental Trade Department


To Alversia


Secretary Denver
Illesia City
Alversia

Your order of 500 LY3A2 is already enroute. Your production of 4,500 further units within your borders, in accordance with a licence agreement, is noted. We do, however, note that you don't yet HAVE a licence. I will correct this obvious clerical error, and credit your account with the requisite licencing fee. If this is a mistake, then we will gladly refund the lost funds, and apologise profusely.

If not, then no harm done. You, as always, have our respect and best wishes.

Regards

Lieutenant General Aleksandr
Director
Lyran Governmental Trade Department

Office 72
1217 Government Way
Balkan City, 85546
Balkan City S.A.R., United Democratic Empire of Asgarnieu

To: Lieutenant General Aleksandr, Director, Lyran Governmental Trade Department
From: Office of the Army of Asgarnieu, Purchases Bureau
Subject: Initial numbers

Greetings. It is settled, we will leave the engine alone, but upgrade the tracks to be about two-and-a-half inches wider, for greater weight distribution.

We were not going to change the main gun, only the coaxial (upgrade to 14.5mm).

With regards to the fissile materials, we will send you seven thousand Uranium fuel rods and five thousand Plutonium fuel rods; modified and reactivated.

We are also willing to trade in military goods, civilian electronics, and mining technology. Should you be interested, drop us a line so we can work things out.

Thank you so much.

Respectfully,

General (4-S) Thomas F. Goodwin
Commander-in-Chief, Asgarnian Army Armored Ground Forces (AAGF)

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We should like to purchase production rights, with a no pre-set production limit, on the LY3A2, with an immediate Purchase of 5000 LY3A2 tanks.

This comes to a cost of $28,500,000,000, plus $1,500,000 per tank produced.

Yours,

5-Star General of the Army Conrad Strom
Chair of the Council for Defence and Warfare

To Asgarnieu


General Goodwin
Office 72
1217 Government Way
Balkan City, 85546
Balkan City S.A.R., United Democratic Empire of Asgarnieu

Sir

We gratefully acknowledge your shipment of fissile materials, and agree with your assessment to widen the tracks. Over rough or loose ground it is an advantage for the individual tank, although degrades the ground faster. Where one draws the line of best fit, so to speak, is often a personal preference.

We acknowledge, further, your wish to change the co-axial to a 14.5mm, and you are welcome to... although it is already a 30mm automatic cannon... so we're not sure why you would down-size, although again that is up to you.

We remain interested in your civilian electronics, for their possible adaptation to military uses, and mining for similar reasons. Could you provide details?


Warmly

Lieutenant General Aleksandr
Director
Lyran Governmental Trade Department



To Pan-Arab Barronia


General of the Army Conrad Strom
Chair of the Council for Defence and Warfare
Pan-Arab Barronia

Your request for an open production licence is granted, and we acknowledge your purchase of 5000 LY3A2 variants for immediate delivery.

We do request that you keep us updated on the production quotas you meet, and let us know if you have any technical requests or queries.

Sincerely

Lieutenant General Aleksandr
Director
Lyran Governmental Trade Department

Building 200 more, as per production agreement.

Funding transferred to your currency reserves.

We would like to buy 100 LY3A2 tanks.

Greal, due to our recent entente with the SoL, the prior refusal to sell the Warhound is rescinded. 100 units of the LY3A2 are despatched to Greal, at a cost to you of NS $900,000,000.

Greal, due to our recent entente with the SoL, the prior refusal to sell the Warhound is rescinded. 100 units of the LY3A2 are despatched to Greal, at a cost to you of NS $900,000,000.


wired you 900 million

we would like to purchase an additional 200 tanks.
the funds have been wired

Cazelia, your request to purchase an additional 200 tanks has been accepted. Lyran bulk carriers are transporting your new acquisitions to you as this message is being prepared. Please let us know if we can be of any further assistance.

((OOC: You drew that technical drawing? If so, I'd suggest checking out LineartInc (http://z13.invisionfree.com/LineartInc/index.php?act=idx).

I'd also suggest saving in PNG... It is racially superior to JPEG in every way.))

OOC: Yes, I did draw it myself, glad you like. I'll be using the lineart forum for my next project, the LY19 Advanced Infantry Combat Weapon, and although more than happy with the Warhound MBT, I think it was almost a matter of pot luck that it ended up so effective. I learnt a great deal about tank mechanics as I designed it, and a little more after it was published. It remains, however, everything that I would want in a tank. And, speaking as a currently serving officer, I mean that. I want these things in my army, just as I'd want the LY19, if I could have it.

I can't though. This is why we have NS...

Would I be acting naively if I made a purchase request?

OOC: No, but it would be naive if you actually thought that I'd sell you any. You're actively ALLIED with the Varessans.

You're welcome to RP an attempt to steal one, though. But if you want one, just buy one from North Storn. OOCly letting them build them was stupid. ICly, the Protectorate's Executive Command was divided on the issue, and sale of the LY3 series went ahead.

Now with picture.


OOC: Try uploading your picture to http://photobucket.com/ instead of Wikimedia Commons, so you can hotlink it.

OOC: Oo. Photobucket. Will examine.

IC: Several hundred LY3A2 are prepped for immediate delivery, anywhere in the world, should rush orders be entered. Lyran warships will escort this delivery in, and attacks on the convoy will be considered casus belli.

Need top-end tanks, right now? Now's your chance.

You know you could make a new tank.

OOC: Yes, but this really is a good tank... still easily the match of anything in NS.

Lieutenant General Aleksandr
Lyran Governmental Trade Department

Black Forest Security is preparing for a large security operation, and will require a second regiment of main battle tanks to rotate through the theatre. Once again, the Warhound LY3A2 has been selected. To that end, we wish to purchase an additional 48 units.

The 4.482 bn the sale is anticipated to cost is prepared to be transmitted upon confirmation of sale.


Michael Dougherty
Chief Operating Officer
Black Forest Security


OOC: South Fehnmar op still a go?

OOC: The code to display images in the forum is like this.

[img*]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/bb62/2821090/WarhoundMBTtechdrawing.jpg[/img*]
Just remove the *
If you want to have the picture show up in your main post and not have a link, that is.

Otherwise http://img.photobucket.com/albums/bb62/2821090/WarhoundMBTtechdrawing.jpg will link directly to the image, instead of the album.

OOC to Phoenix Milita: Ta. I think I have it working.


IC:


C.O.O. Dougherty
Black Forest Security

Your offer of several billion for the purchase of 48 LY3A2 Warhounds is appreciated, but unrequired. We will, instead, charge you NS $432 million.
If you have any further requirements, please let us know.

Regards

Lieutenant General Aleksandr
Director
Lyran Governmental Trade Department.


OOC: Yes, it is still on.

OOC think of getting this but how many would fit in a C-5 Galaxy

OOC to Imperial isa:

One would fit in combat configuration (ie, ready to roll off and start shooting), and you could probably get two in in "transport" config. Transport config would require a base level support on the other end to get it rolling.

That's a standard C-5, anyway.

Lieutenant General Aleksandr
Lyran Governmental Trade Department

Thank you for the confirmation, the funds are being transferred as I write this communication.

Thank you also for correcting our embarrassing financial miscalculation. Your honesty in the matter is appreciated, and will not be forgotten.

Michael Dougherty
Chief Operating Officer
Black Forest Security

OOC: Yes, but this really is a good tank... still easily the match of anything in NS.


OOC:
Easily...no.

A match, certainly. An Abrams is a match for anything on NS

Calling a tank "good" then calling it "easily" a match for anything on NS is contradictory. "Good" are not easily a match for some AFVs on NS.

And at 18km you wont get 1000mm of penetration.

OOC:
Easily...no.

A match, certainly. An Abrams is a match for anything on NS

Calling a tank "good" then calling it "easily" a match for anything on NS is contradictory. "Good" are not easily a match for some AFVs on NS.

And at 18km you wont get 1000mm of penetration.

OOC: An Abrams can be destroyed pretty easy by some of the tanks on NS.

OOC: An Abrams can be destroyed pretty easy by some of the tanks on NS.

Yes it can. It can also destroy pretty easily many of the tanks on NS.

Oh wait...thats what I said. A match. Wow.

Just felt the need to say something did you?

OOC: Any decently-designed tank on NS could destroy the Abrams. Not a match, then, is it?

OOC: Any decently-designed tank on NS could destroy the Abrams. Not a match, then, is it?

...Yes. Yes it is. Thats what a match is...its a Match...as in where each contestant has reasonable chance of victory.

I was unaware I needed to give lessons in colloquial english.

Yes any decently designed NS tank can kill an Abrams...and for the match...and decently designed NS tank(if decent means not godmodded) can be destroyed by an Abrams...or a ChallyII or LeopardII....which is again exactly what I said.

You have some form of tourettes where you type nonsense? Or is the problem deeper then that? Perhaps chromosomal?

OOC: Do you like to flame?

Also I doubt your own grasp of things when an Abrams' main gun cannot even penetrate the frontal armor of some NS tanks, and then NS tanks can kill the Abrams frontal armor from longer range. Then take other facts into account such as their superior FCS, and their APS, and such a tank will dominate an Abrams. As such, I cannot wrap my head around how you think they are a match, unless you are referring to some poorly-designed tank. Note that I am not saying an Abrams cannot kill an NS tank, all that I am saying is that somebody who deploys Abrams versus Nakil's will very probaly loose. In the traditional sense of Armor, Firepower, Mobility, NS tanks that are well-designed win.

OOC: A tank is only as good as it's crew, so debating which will win means nothing if the crews suck.
Also, most NS tank guns can't penetrate the frontal armour of most NS tanks, so they're in the same boat as the Abrams, trying to manuver to get a side shot or a rear shot.

OOC: I was assuming that both tanks had a decent crew.

OOC: A tank is only as good as it's crew, so debating which will win means nothing if the crews suck.
Also, most NS tank guns can't penetrate the frontal armour of most NS tanks, so they're in the same boat as the Abrams, trying to manuver to get a side shot or a rear shot.

OOC: Do you like to flame?

Also I doubt your own grasp of things when an Abrams' main gun cannot even penetrate the frontal armor of some NS tanks, and then NS tanks can kill the Abrams frontal armor from longer range. Then take other facts into account such as their superior FCS, and their APS, and such a tank will dominate an Abrams. As such, I cannot wrap my head around how you think they are a match, unless you are referring to some poorly-designed tank. Note that I am not saying an Abrams cannot kill an NS tank, all that I am saying is that somebody who deploys Abrams versus Nakil's will very probaly loose. In the traditional sense of Armor, Firepower, Mobility, NS tanks that are well-designed win.

I have seen your "attempts" at designs so I wouldnt go around suggesting I dont grasp how armor works.

Tankers dont TRY to go nose to nose even with an inferior opponent...why? Because it is stupid.

Superior FCS? The main guns are engaging with direct fire weapons the FCS doesnt need to be better then the Abrams or the CHallyII or the LeopardII...or maybe you dont 'grasp' what exactly 'direct fire' is, much like you didnt grasp what the word 'match' means.

The Nakil...wow. Mac will be the first to tell you an Abrams or any of the other real tanks I have mentioned can score a kill on his Nakil. Yes while it might take one round in the chest it wont take two...unless you propose one is just hitting the turret corners.

The Nakil also happens to be the BEST realistically designed tank on NS.

SO your example is the best, tank on NS...one that took months to create before it ever passed into the realm of hodgepodge crap claiming to be on par with it?

Just cant help but type that nonsense can you?

OOC: A tank is only as good as it's crew, so debating which will win means nothing if the crews suck.
Also, most NS tank guns can't penetrate the frontal armour of most NS tanks, so they're in the same boat as the Abrams, trying to manuver to get a side shot or a rear shot.

Thank you.

A shiny pistol doesnt do a no armed man a whole lot of good.

OOC: What designs are you referring to? I have only done a few serious projects. And I also stated that the Abrams can score a kill on the Nakil if you looked more closely, I simply stated that would be hard, considering it would have to get a shot off closer, while taking fire, since the Nakil, IIRC, has superior range.

What 'hodgepodge crap' are you referring too?

I will be the first to admit I do not know a lot about tanks, but you have no reason to flame me over my lack of knowledge do you? Perhaps you should try nicely correcting someone instead of insulting them for their lack of knowledge or mistakes. Not everyone spends months designing equipment for a game that is not even real, you know.

OOC: The Nakil has superior range with a specific round Mac designed himself. Using a simmilar round to the Abrams the Nakil's range advantage is only slightly over that of the Abrams, and that is in perfect conditions.
It should also be noted that due to the nature of a tank fight the ranges are usually around or below 1km, and on NS below 2km. Maximum range a tank can kill another tank means nothing when in the seconds it takes that rounds to travel to the target it will have moved somewhere else, changed direction, gone up or down with the terrain.

Whoa, settle people. No need to get all fired up.

Lets all try to get along, eh? :)

Skibereen
155mm HEAT fired indirectly (hence the long range, and yes, would probably require a spotter), striking top of turret? I reckon that's a fair chance of a kill.

OOC: The Nakil has superior range with a specific round Mac designed himself. Using a simmilar round to the Abrams the Nakil's range advantage is only slightly over that of the Abrams, and that is in perfect conditions.
It should also be noted that due to the nature of a tank fight the ranges are usually around or below 1km, and on NS below 2km. Maximum range a tank can kill another tank means nothing when in the seconds it takes that rounds to travel to the target it will have moved somewhere else, changed direction, gone up or down with the terrain.

OOC: I only was comparing them in lab conditions. But It seems I am out of my depth now. I will depart this thread. Sorry for spamming the thread, Lyras.

It's all good, mate. Was interesting to read, if nothing else.

Whoa, settle people. No need to get all fired up.

Lets all try to get along, eh? :)

Skibereen
155mm HEAT fired indirectly (hence the long range, and yes, would probably require a spotter), striking top of turret? I reckon that's a fair chance of a kill.


OOC:
Oh yeah absolutely, but a kill doesnt equal 1000mm of penetration.

I am not saying your tank is bad tank...I am just not trying to suck you off over the thing the way some people are because it has a nice picture and clearly you thought it out. No, it isnt a bad tank...but it isnt easily a match for anything in NS.

And DL is the reason all these claptrapping about super weapons are so annoying...if the guy in command of it sucks then its multimillion dollar garbage...shermans did after all kill some tigers...and it wasnt because of the tanks.

OOC: Can someone point me in the direct to find this "Nakil" tank? I am searching for a new MBT

OOC: Can someone point me in the direct to find this "Nakil" tank? I am searching for a new MBT

OOC: Go to Kreigzimmer.

I am not saying your tank is bad tank...I am just not trying to suck you off over the thing the way some people are because it has a nice picture and clearly you thought it out. No, it isnt a bad tank...but it isnt easily a match for anything in NS.

I will rephrase the statement.

I would much prefer to be commanding one of these than most other tanks on NS. I would similarly prefer fielding these, as a senior officer, than fielding most other tanks designed on NS.

To be frank, I think the only competitor the Warhound series has is the Nakil, which I will agree is a mighty fine piece of kit.

bump for the next generation...

TPF Security
Article: Warhound and possible uses for TPF forces
"... Indeed, the Warhound is not fit for MBT use according to TPF standards. But there is little doubt that the Warhound is a fine tank, and thus most wonder about possible uses. We all know that BLS is currently designing a tank for the NPE, so any purchased for the NPE would be a waste. However, there may be uses for the Warhound yet. Army officials involved in the Armored Divisions have suggested using the Warhound as a tank destroyer, using its superior range and armament to destroy enemies from long range. There has also been some talk of possible uses as a self-propelled artillery gun, but it is well known that TPF already has tens of thousands of 155mm guns in service, with superior range..."

Verenberg wishes to Purchase a Production Permit and all funds for Permit and Produced tanks will be sent automatically

Verenberg

Unrestricted production permit has been granted, at 75% of the usual price.
Be happy, and please keep us appraised of production totals.

Regards

Brigadier Mansfield
Deputy Director
Lyran Governmental Trade Department

we shall send all stock Reports through your Embassy when it opens

The Grand Duchy of Tarlag would like to purchase an unlimited license for the LY3A1 Warhound monies will be wired upon your approval

bump-

To Grand Duchy of Tarlag

Your request for an open production license for the LY3A1 is approved. As is standard, we request that you keep us informed of ongoing production runs.

Regards

Brigadier Mansfield
Deputy Director
Lyran Governmental Trade Department

The money has been wired> Our first Run will be of 1,500 units.

Grand Duchy of Talrog

Thank you for your update. Your production run of 1500 units is acknowledged, and your account charged the requisite 1.5bn.

Brigadier Mansfield
Deputy Director
Lyran Governmental Trade Department

To: Lyran Governmental Trade Department
From: Department of Defense

We would like to know if the LY3 Warhound could be reconfigured to serve in a self-propelled howitzer role. At first glance, the platform seems suited to this role. If such a conversion is possible, we would like to purchase 2,000 units.

To: Lyran Governmental Trade Department
From: Department of Defense

The LY3A1/2 was designed to function as a self-propelled howitzer, if required, and the 155mm main gun is more than capable of handling conventional 155mm artillery rounds. Lyran Research and Development is actually considering a specialised howitzer version, but aren't finding much we can improve upon from the original LY3 design.

To that end, 2000 units are being delivered to you, as we speak. May they stand you in good stead.

Brigadier Mansfield
Deputy Director
Lyran Governmental Trade Department
Bredubar
Protectorate of Lyras

Do you beleive this tank to be superior to the LY4 Wolfhound?

If you want to use this tank in traditional MBT roles, then no. If you want to use it as support for other arms, then yes. This thing has a very long ranged 155mm main gun, which doubles very nicely as an artillery piece.

OOC:Yes, very Nice.....I did notice the bigger gun...

I will purchase 350 LY3A2 Warhounds.....

To: Order of America
From: Lyran Governmental Trade Department

350 units are being delivered to you, as we speak. May they, perhaps the worlds most heavily armoured and self-defending artillery pieces, stand you in good stead.

Total cost, NS$3.15bn


Brigadier Mansfield
Deputy Director
Lyran Governmental Trade Department
Bredubar
Protectorate of Lyras

*Money Wired*