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Here is where the official negotiations.



Here is where it began: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=527509

State Department Communication
The Peoples Freedom will send Lord General Guderian, and he has already set off towards NC's capital city abroad a military transport with escorts.

i will await there arrival.

OOC: The Greal goverment will send The Minister of Foreign Affairs Randy Wind to observe and talk.

Aboard The Aircraft
Lord General Guderian looked absentmindedly out the window, there were numerous cloud formation, but Guderian was not paying attention to them. Rather, he was pondering his new assignment.

He yawned, and turned away from the window. He poured himself some find Vodka, and knocked it back. It always helped him to think clearly, so long as he had not too much of the stuff. He was heading to NC, to negotiate the construction of a DMZ zone. His government had told him to stall and make an ass of himself. Guderian didn't like that, but he didn't much like commies either.
" Fucking Reds." He muttered.
The computer told him that they were set to land in twenty minutes. He nodded to himself, he decided he would get some shuteye before landing.

Twenty minutes later, the plane landed. Guderian woke up, met with his guards, and prepared to await the arrival of the NC limo that would take him to negotiate.

I think we should move to the thread Vetila made a few minutes ago

OOC: I posted the treaty in my own thread, but I'll just repost it here.

Proconsul Kosyachenko and the military authorities of the Vetalian forces in North Calaveras waited in the conference for the TPF delegation to arrive. They had drafted a proposal and wanted to hear their input on the issue. Sitting at the large, oak table that would serve as the negotiating table for the upcoming treaty, they shuffled papers and checked over the remaining documents to make sure everything was accounted for.

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Ministry of State

The time has come for us to negotiate the final resolution of the North Calaveras situation to bring an end to the tensions that still grip the region. To this end, I propose the following terms for the demilitarization of the country:


Section 1: Withdrawal and Return of Territorial Claims

1. Upon conclusion of this agreement, all foreign military forces will withdraw immediately from the nation of North Calaveras, and all territory within the nation under the control of foreign powers, excluding embassies, will be returned to the nation's control. In addition, the nation of North Calaveras will be designated a demilitarized zone and will have its military accordingly restricted.

2. Nations will be permitted to locate military forces within their own borders or within the borders of other states that can reach the territory of North Calaveras. However, they are not permitted to place their forces within North Calaveras itself, nor are they allowed to use facilities in North Calaveras for military purposes.

3. If any signer nation violates the treaty, the other signers can use whatever means they feel is necessary to enforce the agreement. It cannot be voided or repealed until the signing states agree to repeal it. This agreement will be binding until further notice, with future negotiations possible at the request of a signing state.

4. This treaty will affect all states that have diplomatic relations with North Calaveras, including nations that do not have forces in the nation and are not parties to the treaty itself.

Currently, nations with forces in the country are as follows:

Vetalia
ThePeoplesFreedom
Gataway

All of these states must withdraw their forces upon signing of the treaty.

Section 2: North Calaveras disarmament

1. In accordance with this agreement, North Calaveras will be prohibited from maintaining military forces larger than 1% of its population or 3% of its GDP.

2. North Calaveras will not be permitted to purchase, develop or deploy the following weapons: weapons of mass destruction, ballistic and anti-ballistic missiles, long-range strategic bombers, long-range reconnaissance aircraft, aircraft carriers, or any form of space weapon. Allies of the nation can still operate these weapons in its defense if and when they are needed.

3. This agreement will be binding until further notice. Violations will be dealt with by the states that have signed the treaty.

4. It is at the discretion of The PeoplesFreedom, Vetalia, and Gataway if they wish to deploy peacekeepers at the border to ensure that the withdrawal occurs as planned and that North Calaveras complies with its requirements for demilitarization.

Discussion will commence at this point and will continue until all sides agree on the treaty and sign it in to law.

Regards,
Valerian Kosyachenko, Proconsul, Ministry of State

the tanks specs are up now.

At the Discussion Table
Guderian sighed when he saw the document. He leaned back, and said evenly,
" Treaty Denied. TPF will not withdraw its forces from NC soil."

IC: The Minister of Foreign Affairs Randy Wind surpised that TPF denied the treaty, he did not know what to propose.

At the Discussion Table

"And why not, Lord General? We've permitted you and your allies to place forces within range of the country, and you will have no problem moving them in to North Calaveras in the event of an incident."

Discussion Table
" Our brave men and women did not die on this God-Forsaken soil for us to just pack up and leave, sir."

IC: The Minister of Foreign Affairs had a phone call, so he left the table and went to talk on the phone.









OOC: really, I gotta leave the forum for a hour. I'll be back

DISCUSSIONS TABLE

Pierce( now a general): Your brave men and women invaded us, that was an agressive attack and occupation.

DISCUSSIONS TABLE

Pierce( now a general): Your brave men and women invaded us, that was an agressive attack and occupation.

Guderian smirked.

" Your point?"

At the Discussion Table

"We understand that, Lord General, but now that the war is over, shouldn't you withdraw your forces? The North Calaveras military is weakened and they are in no position to take action against you again. This war is over and the treaty signed."

"We simply want the North Calaveras government to regain control over its territory as part of a move towards normal relations between it and the states that it fought during the war. In fact, by our agreement your country will not lose any of the strategic benefits it retained from this war, since we are allowing you to deploy up to the border of North Calaveras itself."

"You would retain the strategic benefits without the costs and risks of occupying the country itself."

Pierce: Border wow! now hold on, i dont want him on my ass, he should be at least 300 miles from the border.

At the Discussion Table

"We understand that, Lord General, but now that the war is over, shouldn't you withdraw your forces? Their armed forces are weakened and they are in no position to take action against you again. This war is over and the treaty signed."

"We simply want the North Calaveras government to regain control over its territory as part of a move towards normal relations between it and the states that it fought during the war.

In fact, by our agreement your country will not lose any of the strategic benefits it retained from this war, since we are allowing you to deploy up to the border of North Calaveras itself."


" You are right. The treaty was signed. It said that we could have base. We are keeping the base."

"Yes, but the treaty also had a flaw in that it permitted you to expand your base beyond what was specified. Expanding your military presence in North Calaveras could possibly be construed as an attempt to attack them again"

"In addition, in the event of a conflict, your nation might be forced to violate that treaty, which would hurt your reputation and make it difficult to negotiate with other states. If you withdraw, you will retain the strategic benefits of being near North Calaveras without the risk of maintaining a base in the country itself."

"Now, we could discuss gradual plans for withdrawal as well, but ultimately your forces will have to withdraw at some point in the future."

"Yes, but the treaty also had a flaw in that it permitted you to expand your base beyond what was specified. Expanding your military presence in North Calaveras could possibly be construed as an attempt to attack them again"

"In addition, in the event of a conflict, your nation might be forced to violate that treaty, which would hurt your reputation and make it difficult to negotiate with other states. If you withdraw, you will retain the strategic benefits of being near North Calaveras without the risk of maintaining a base in the country itself."

"Now, we could discuss gradual plans for withdrawal as well, but ultimately your forces will have to withdraw at some point in the future."


" Then perhaps we should just re-work the original treaty."

"We could do that, but it would have to have some stipulation for eventual withdrawal from the country. Maintaining permanent military forces without the consent of the host nation would not be acceptable for a prolonged period of time."

"After the established time is up, your country would have to negotiate with North Calaveras to lease those base sites for your use, if they permit it."

Pierce: That is acceptable for me, and Vet, we have made an upgraded tank, you should check it out, well give you 50, for a try.

" You misunderstand us. The Peoples Freedom will choose when to withdraw and will not be dictated against."

Pierce: Your the dictator here, were trying to make a peacful agreement and your trying to continue hostilites.

i gtg in a little while.

"But that would make the area conceded to you as bases effectively your colony until you feel it is a good time to withdraw. We are willing to grant you a sizable period of time to occupy those sites as your sovereign territory, but we would have to have a mutually agreed-upon withdrawal date as well."

Guderian had some Vodka, then replied, " Negative, we are merely expanding our base."

Pierce: I only see two reasons for your base here, to hit us hard if we "misbehave" and if your having trouble with people, a nice place to hide.

"But if you expand your base, and you have no set withdrawal date, what is to stop you from simply occupying those facilities indefinitely? You could conceivably carve out a sizable portion of the country's territory for occupation as a colony without any pressure to withdraw."

"We would be willing to grant you control over those facilities as well as the ability to expand them during your occupation period, but only in exchange for a mutually agreed upon withdrawal date."

Guderian made himself look slightly angry.
" We will withdraw when we please. That is all."
He stood up, and, flanked by his guards, walked out of the room.

"how about this, TPF expands the base, but can only keep a limted amount of troops there."

Pierce: There's no getting through this guy, well i tried.

"If you refuse to set a withdrawal date, so will we. Our forces will remain in the area until you agree to negotiate a mutual withdrawal of all forces from the region."

"However, negotiations will remain open if and when you decide to return to the bargaining table."

OCC: Guderian departed. Thread is closed.

Pierce: Our new SOL T-62 are being produced right now, and will be given to our allies, including you Vet, they should help balance the power.

OOC: Well, he was walking out the door. I couldn't let him get the last word.

Pierce: Our new SOL T-62 are being produced right now, and will be given to our allies, including you Vet, they should help balance the power.

OCC: I would love to see those stand up to my Panthers. :rolleyes:

The Minister of Foreign Affairs got up and went to the airport.

well tpf you may get your chance.

OOC: It appears that we are at a standstill. Your bases and my bases are in each other's range, and neither of us can take any action more than posture our forces in position.

So, how about a nice game of chess? (you're a mid 80's winner if you can guess the movie reference)

OOC: It appears that we are at a standstill. Your bases and my bases are in each other's range, and neither of us can take any action more than posture our forces in position.

So, how about a nice game of chess? (you're a mid 80's winner if you can guess the movie reference)

Wargame. Or whatever that movie is called.

OOC: Should I send some Divisions over to NC?

Wargame. Or whatever that movie is called.

OOC: Got it.;)

Well, you build your bases, and I'll build mine, and we'll just keep things at a standstill here in North Calaveras. It's like East and West Berlin.

OOC: Should I send some Divisions over to NC?

No, this situation is at a standstill. Detente is a lot wiser move than brinkmanship.

No, this situation is at a standstill. Detente is a lot wiser move than brinkmanship.

OCC: Let's start the one-up game.

OOC: Got it.;)

Well, you build your bases, and I'll build mine, and we'll just keep things at a standstill here in North Calaveras. It's like East and West Berlin.

OCC: I want it to go hot. Especially with you. Its been months since I have had a worthy war adversary.

OCC: I want it to go hot. Especially with you. Its been months since I have had a worthy war adversary.

OOC: I'll think about it. It mainly depends on how busy I am IRL, since I'd need time to RP a war and I don't know how my schedule will be with finals coming up.

But I could go hot for sure.

OOC: I'll think about it. It mainly depends on how busy I am IRL, since I'd need time to RP a war and I don't know how my schedule will be with finals coming up.

But I could go hot for sure.
OOC:as long as I dont have to pick sides
TPF is my bitch afterall I need him to give me backrubs in the shower

OOC:as long as I dont have to pick sides
TPF is my bitch afterall I need him to give me backrubs in the shower

:rolleyes:

:rolleyes:


OOC:You know its the truth

Official Secret Transmission from the Desk of King Kutz

As the situation in NC worsens, the nation of Droskianishk as a fellow member of COMECON will make available those 1 million troops guaranteed to COMECON for non-specified use. We will not leave our ally Vetalia without help and without international support, thus Vetalia only need give the word and actions will be set into motion to commit a portion, or all of those troops as needed.


Regards,

King Sikako Kutz I of Droskianishk


Official Transmission from the Royal Department of International Affairs

It is the sincere hope of this nation that the situation in NC may be dissolved without unneccessary bloodshed. To this end Droskianishk is willing to provide whatever assistance may be deemed necessary by the 'peace delegations' currently meeting.

Minister of International Affairs,
Mr. Killok

ooc: Geez I leave to go to work and miss all this...TPF still has my support although for a bit it will be somewhat limited militarily for now I'm already involved in a war and another peacekeeping operation which will be ending soon...but needless to say a lot of my forces are currently tied down at the moment..

OOC: For those who don't know about it from not reading the Hataria ball thread, "The Event" is how I roleplay my country's inactivity between November-ish '04 to November of '06. Essentially, a darker and one-time (so far) take on the Brigadoon theme of 'missing time'; one which transformed my country into what it's been roleplayed as by now. Also, will edit in an OOB later, although that shouldn't be too difficult since mine are fairly standardized units; so stay tuned...

SIC
Palace of the Revolution, Command Bunker Underground Annex; Tailville DR, Wagdog
"Are you certain of this Comrade?" Mario Iliescu didn't entirely mind the decision being confirmed here; after all, the feared situation that had prompted the original withdrawal in the first place had been a false alarm to begin with. But still, not having your forces concentrated to the maximum extent wasn't ideal either...

"Yes Mario." Carolinus Horridus stared out of his flexible, wire-rimmed glasses at the high-ranking vampire. He was cleaner today than many days, his full beard and moustache being short and scruffy like the rest of his disheveled hair. For a man who only looked to be some twenty-five years old, even if actually over twice that thanks to The Event that had seen Wagdog disappear from the world for some two decades, Horridus was workaholic enough to look easily a decade older than his usual apparent age if he pushed hard enough. The fact that he and most of the other supposed 'humans' in government now aged at about half the normal rate too only compouned the issue. "We have an opportunity to both build credibility with an ally and possibly gain a positional advantage in a confrontation. Order the forces sent, with provision for reinforcement when and as necessary."

"Very well, Comrade Lord Governor..." Mario seemed content now that his orders were confirmed. All that remained now, as always, were the logistics of the matter. Those had to be set in motion before anything...

SIC2
Encrypted Transmission....... Received.
Decryption Key....... Received.
Decryption Status....... Ready.
Decrypt? (y/n?)

From: USSW War Office CINC
To: Vetalian High Command or equivalent.

We are ready to support our allies in this theater, especially given our prior familiarity with it and the people; whose respect we earned through our humane role in the occupation while present. At present, a full Army Group of one numbered Army and one Air Force stands ready for airlift into North Calaveras; under its own air escort, although assistance there would be appreciated of course. Two Composite Battle Groups from our Navy, the Fingolfin/Marshal Koniev and the Karl Marx/Marshal Zhukov groups to be precise, can also deploy on short notice and augmented with whatever logistical assets are deemed necessary to assist you. Can you clarify these needs for us, especially soon as time is indeed of the essence?

Sincerely,
Carolinus Horridus
Commander-in-Chief, USSW War Office
Party Secretary, Wagdoggie Revolutionary Party
General Secretary, USSW Revolutionary Command Council
Lord Governor, United Socialist States of Wagdog

IC
Official USSW Statement regarding North Calaveras
We entirely support our ally Vetalia in their call for negotiations specifically to establish a demilitarized zone in North Calaveras prior to the withdrawal of all The PeoplesFreedom forces. The North Calaveran government has allowed your capitalists to participate, and has abided by the military terms of your dictated treaty. Hence, I see no particular reason for your forces to remain at all, much less fortify their presence, aside from perhaps paranoia over the Calaveran government's reputed support of leftist terrorism.

If this is indeed the reasoning behind the Second Reich's desire to establish a grand strategic presence in North Calaveras, we can assure you that Vetalia can keep the Kash Administration as well in hand as you. And more economically so, we might add; since we agree I do believe that the fortifications you are building are indeed as expensive as they are effective, yes? Why pour so much money down such an unreceptive effort when others can "take the matter off your hands" easily and happily? We hope you consider this offer, for it is only sensible and should enable The PeoplesFreedom to consolidate its forces against more pressing needs than the well-contained "threat" of North Calaveras.

Carolinus Horridus
Commander-in-Chief, USSW War Office
Party Secretary, Wagdoggie Revolutionary Party
General Secretary, USSW Revolutionary Command Council
Lord Governor, United Socialist States of Wagdog

State Department Communication
This is our final communication. There will be no DMZ and we will withdraw when we please. Any assault on our forces will be considered an act of war and will be dealt with accordingly.

Official Stance of the Calizorinstani Goverment:

We are sending 500 Calizorinstani Marine's to enforce the DMZ, if the TPF doesn't accept it, we will use force to support Wagdog, the UFAN, and Vetalia. We heartily accept Vetalia's ideas, and you TPF, should at least consider some of them before pushing for war, we will send our 1st and 2nd Battle Group, and send at least 1,000 Marine's, and 15 F/A-15N fighter's to support them, and 2 Peter the Great class ship's for shore bombardment, should the 500 at the DMZ not hold. We along with the UFAN will not let TPF push us around, and we will hold our ground for what's right. In short, we support Wagdog, Vetalia and the UFAN.

Hopefully we will find a solution,

Lord Govenor
Jack Slovic
Calizorinstan

Ministry of Defense

We appreciate the Calizorinistan forces and will put them to work ensuring that TPF does not attempt to use their forces to further expand their control over North Calaveras.

In addition, the Vetalian high command has upgraded the mobilization for our navy from 5 to 4 and for Strategic Air Command from 4 to 3. We will begin transferring additional forces if we deem it to be necessary to ensure continued stability in the region. At present, there is no concern that the TPF forces will act with aggression against us, but if they do we will take necessary action to ensure our security.

SIC:

From: Calizorinstan High Command
To:Vetalian High Command

Our force's are at your disposal to command if you wish, we have sent them to the enforced DMZ to make sure that the TPF doesn't cross over into NC. We are glad to fight at your side if we have to do so, of course we prefer negotiations, but if we have to fight, we will stand our ground and resist.

Adm.Arnold
Head of the Army,
General of the Armies.

Ministry of Defense

The TPF has base facilities in part of North Calaveras where they are basing their missiles. We want your forces to serve as scouts to ensure our intelligence regarding their bases is up to date and to counter any TPF inflitration in to our portion of the country.

We have similar facilities on the other end of the country, enough to counter a launch from their bases and to retaliate against them afterwards. However, if they attempt to expand their missile bases beyond what they are currently doing, we will blockade them. We cannot risk further escalation of their missile forces in the area.

SIC:
To:Vetalian High Command/Ministry of Defense

Okay, but would they see us though and fire on us? I have sent my men by airdrop near one of their facilites, what info do you want from them? I have a direct comlink with them, and I will pass any info onto them, what city is it near? I'll give them the co-ordinate's and they'll look for it.

Did negotations fail?

OCC: HI im back.

IC:

*whispers heard in the fog of a new morning in the north of North Calaveras* "I think that's the base Macked, that the Vetalian's wanted us to check out, let us see, 10 missile silo's here, they want us to confirm they haven't built any more." John Macked cursed silently in his head, why had they come here, he and 50 other men, in case they got into a fire-fight, and 100 more were 34 mile's away looking at another base. "Yes, Private, I see 15 silo's, that mean's there building more silo's and more missile's." John said grimly "Stay in the bushes, I'll contact the Vetalian High Command." He walked over to the radio and whisperd "VHC, this is Eagle Eye (agreed codename for their intel agent and his group to give the Vetalian's info), they are building up their missile silo's around the base you wanted us to check out, we're bugging out before the TPF forces see us over."

COMMUNIST PARTY OF NORTH CALAVERAS


We believe that the refusel of peacful means to end this by TPF is just a way to stall for a larger project, and the new SOL tanks will be used as defensive weopons, they clearly want war, so in this case we are delpoy our full military on defensive positions around the country. The towns and cities have almost been completely reenforced with AA and various other defensive fortificatoins.

we also want requests directed to us if you want to delploy in our country.

- Official Stance by Greater Honakon

Although we don't approve of The Peoples Freedom's willingness to go to war with North Calaveras and there approach to the peace talks, we like the TPF are also somewhat weary about Calaveras, especially it's involvement in Sons of Lenin, so we will not actively take part in inforcing peace in the country. However, we vocally support all actions taken by our allies in the UFAN and COME-CON.

Mrs. Bourla Parkins, Lord Governess of Greater Honakon

what, you believe we are "terrorists" no sir they are freedom fighters, thers a saying" one mans terrorist is another mans freedom fighter"

COMMUNIST PART OF NC

We appreciate the concern of Calizoristan, and hope to be great friends with all of our allys in the future for a solid defence against hostile forces like TPF.

SIC

To: North Calaveras

We thank you for your apperciation, right now we have our Marine's enforcing the DMZ, and we have spec ops forces providing intel to the UFAN about the TPF missile bases in the north of your country.

At the memorial parade in NC the new tanks were being show off, with the leaders carry the NC flags on the tanks, the crowds cherred at this show of power, and increased military effectiveness of NC forces, along with the other forces of the army, And on the testing grounds the tanks proved to be quite effective, and with well trained crews ready to bring the fight to TPF.

Ministry of Defense

The TPF has base facilities in part of North Calaveras where they are basing their missiles. We want your forces to serve as scouts to ensure our intelligence regarding their bases is up to date and to counter any TPF inflitration in to our portion of the country.

We have similar facilities on the other end of the country, enough to counter a launch from their bases and to retaliate against them afterwards. However, if they attempt to expand their missile bases beyond what they are currently doing, we will blockade them. We cannot risk further escalation of their missile forces in the area.
OOC: Sorry if this isn't the best reply to quote, but it was closer than others...
SIC
HEAVILY ENCRYPTED & URGENT MESSAGE
FROM: USSW War Office
TO: Vetalian MoD

Our forces are ready to deploy to your occupied portion of North Calaveras and the DMZ, this time two Army Groups (Sixth and Nineteenth, comprising so-numbered Armies and Air Forces each...) as well as the aforementioned two carrier groups. All preparations are complete, and we can deploy immediately upon your coded confirmation reply with as much rapidity as possible. Note: except for at sea we will be dependent on your air and ground cover for the first phases of this deployment, at least until our air forces are in place and ready. We stand behind you, so just give us the word and we move immediately.

IC
At bases across Wagdog, the very edge of DEFCON 4 was being pushed. Air patrols were constant by interceptors of every class, and transports were loading on the tarmac with the utmost alacrity, planes being pulled from other numbered Air Forces to sustain this lift. Once Vetalia's coded 'yea' or 'nay' came in, they'd be able to move accordingly. Fortunately, Wagdog's army had been fully reequipped by now with the latest in Czechalrussian gear and the air force was thoroughly up to the international baseline even if not the most exotic fighters out there perhaps; and thus both could at least match the bulk of possible OPFOR gear in the North Calaveran theater. Perhaps even overmatch in a few places; but as always, diplomacy and doctrine would decide the outcomes, and in that order.

At the ports, the Fingolfin and Marx battle groups were already making for sea, as fast as both fuel economy and discretion would allow. They were to follow as neutral a course as possible, and avoid entering TPF waters near North Calaveras unless given explicit orders otherwise. As far as anyone on Wagdog's side knew, apart from perhaps the War Office itself, this was just a redeployment and reinforcement of the old peacekeeping forces that had been in NC until recently. And efforts were being very deliberately taken to make sure this was all that was known for as long as possible...

IC:

In the back of a MH-60 Pavehawk, one out of 10 headed to the DMZ that had been set up between the TPF and the North Calaveras's, whom the were sent to help.

Lt.John Freed, was cleaning and dry firing at the ceiling, his new RPK, while Pvt.Bob Barne's, was looking at his AK-108 rifle, his was the standard rifle for all the Marine's, they were using Russian guns, for that's what the North Calaveran's had, and thus ammo was cheaper and easier to acqurie, then the real gun's they used back home in Calizorinstan.

"How long until we reach the DMZ Freed?" Barnes asked him, for Freed was the assigned group leader, and was one of the smartest men in the Calizorinstani Marine Corps. "About 10 minutes, I just am hoping the TPF doesn't fire on us, why hullo, there's the DMZ now, we're slowing down, I can see it." Freed was right, they came in sight of the DMZ, and they landed there near the trench part of the DMZ. "Let's go, quick before anything happens." Freed whispered the order, and all the marine's jumped out of the MH-60's and now Calizorinstan was having a part of the DMZ to defend the North Calaveran's from the TPF.