NationStates Jolt Archive

American Civil War Rp

Welcome to the United States of America, circa December 1, 1860.

In this Rp, you, as the player, will either select one (1-2) state in the Union, prior to secession, or a sovereign nation interested in joining the war. This will serve as a discussion/claims thread. The only rule here is first come, first serve. Well that and the fact that if you are inactive for one week without warning, your claim will be removed. Once we have some interest here I'll go ahead and create a factbook template.

What makes this different from any other generic "Civil War" Rp, is the fact that, in this scenario, the South released their slaves (Yeah, I know, kind of unrealistic, but it makes a great Rp) in an effort to get Britain and France to support their cause, and were successful in doing so. With war looming on the horizon, Lincoln realizes that he, too, needs foreign allies to quash the upcoming rebellion, and he releases an appeal to the world, and, in doing so, potentially creates a world war.

Once we get this Rp on its feet, there will be an assembly among the states to decide who their loyalties lie with, the current Union, or the hypothetical "Confederate States of America." Now, Corbournne (who wrote this) and I (who came up with the idea) will be the mods, and we will hold an election for a third if this absolutely bursts with activity. As such we are going to be taking the roles of each sides' president (Abraham Lincoln for the North, and Jefferson Davis for the South). However, we still do need you (the players) to claim states as well as other nations. At a certain point, (once we have the world powers) I will completely and totally close claiming of other nations. Of course, if you'd prefer, you can certainly claim states right off the bat. As the governor of a state in the Union, you will control all but the military aspects of the region (as long as you abide by Federal laws), and, in the South, you will even control your own state militia. You also have access into the minds of your states' senators and representatives, thus having an active say in the government.

Also: It will be on a state-by-state basis in the South as to whether to allow blacks to serve in the armed forces or not, but it is required that they be free men.

Alright, I think I'm pretty much done here. Feel free to claim, or tear apart my writing by pointing out the spelling, punctual, and grammatical mistakes contained within it.

Claims

Tynish (USA)
Corbournne (CSA)
Nebarri Prime (Spain)
Carloginias (Britain)
The PeoplesFreedom (Prussia)
Kampfers (Texas, Luisianna)
Shakal (Russia)
Nova Breslau (France)
Irish Corsica (Austria)
Socialist States Union (Virginia)
Quaon (Pennsylvania)
Towering flames (North Carolina,Tennesee,Georgia)
Gateway (Florida)
Honako (Ottoman Empire)
Zelron (New York)

Unclaimed


Alabama
Arkansas
Connecticut
Delaware
Florida
Illinois
Indiana
Iowa
Kentucky
Maine
Maryland
Massachusetts
Michigan
Minnesota
Mississippi
Missouri
New Hampshire
New Jersey
Ohio
Rhode Island
South Carolina
Vermont
Wisconsin

hmmm...i could consider joining as Spain if you would accept that

Oh I forgot that one let me add it and sure you may be it if you want

Great Britian for me?

Yes you may be Great Britian

Come on people start joining

Ok four places have been claimed with many left people start joining before all the spaces are gone

Germany, FTW

Germany, FTW

Ok you got it

Ok you got it

i think its more like Prussia in 1860...

i think its more like Prussia in 1860...

True

i think its more like Prussia in 1860...

Yes my mistake will fix that

Join before all the places are taken!!!!

All the states are still open and still some of the other countries sao get on over here and pick a state or a country hurry before the good ones are taken up!!

I'm changing the rules that people may have 2 states if they want with 3 if i'm in a good mood so is Texas all you want?

Hell yeah, Texas!

Please join more people it is a great oppurtunity to show off your Rp skills

Once we get more people this should go smoothly


If ou are planning to join don't wait join now its a first come first serve signup

Damn you TPF. You alwyas beat me to the German country.

Ill take Russia.

Sounds interesting. Can I be France?

Austria for me please!

Damn you TPF. You alwyas beat me to the German country.

Ill take Russia.

Of Course! I'm an American first, a German second, but I am darn close to being German first!

Can I be France.

I'll take Virginia and New York. If it's ok?

I'll take Virginia and New York. If it's ok?

How can you take two states on opposite sides of the war? It just seems like a conflict of interest, sorry.

Can I be France.

Think Nova beat you to that, uk, but if he doesn't post in the next week, you can have it. Want to reserve anything, just in case?

And SSU, I'm not sure if you should have two such powerful states (if you intend to have them on the same side), but I'll allow Tynish to decide. Otherwise, you're welcome to them.

And TPF, I'm playing Count Dooku and Obi-Wan (granted, Star Wars isn't the same as RL world, but, you get the idea) in the same RP, so, while it may be difficult to control both, I don't think it should be prohibited.

Again, though, I'll allow Tynish to collaborate on any decisions we make.

How can you take two states on opposite sides of the war? It just seems like a conflict of interest, sorry.

Actually it makes it more interesting

Then just Virginia.

I'll still stick for France until he posts.

Can I be France.

Sorry you just missed it but it's first come first serve

if you pick a state you can have two of them

Then just Virginia.

Looks like he gave you both. :p

Anyway, Tynish, I'm thinking we should remove China and Japan, since they weren't really world powers at this stage.

Corbournne;12662171']Looks like he gave you both. :p

Anyway, Tynish, I'm thinking we should remove China and Japan, since they weren't really world powers at this stage.

Ok and um I did take away New York seconds ago cause yea having them both is way unfair but yea i'll take out those two asian ones :D

Ok and um I did take away New York seconds ago cause yea having them both is way unfair but yea i'll take out those two asian ones :D

Ok, 'cuz I just don't see them taking a role in a civil or world war at this point.

Keep in mind that the Berlin conference hasen't occured yet, so the Ottoman Empire is still an excellent choice.

Corbourne can you prepare a assembly thread and email iut to me so we don't have to rush on it

this is going smooth right? :P

Keep in mind that the Berlin conference hasen't occured yet, so the Ottoman Empire is still an excellent choice.

Indeed, they may be on the decline, but they are still one of the de facto world powers.

And Tynish, I'll begin writing now. Can't promise you one it'll be done by tonight, but definitely by tomorrow.

EDIT: and it was the Congress of Berlin, not conference. :D (I had to look that up to find it out.)

Corbournne;12662219']Indeed, they may be on the decline, but they are still one of the de facto world powers.

And Tynish, I'll begin writing now. Can't promise you one it'll be done by tonight, but definitely by tomorrow.

No i just didn't want you stressing over it the night before we start it and i'm gonna put a speech at the front so when you have the rough draft send it don't rush man you have plenty of time :headbang:

No i just didn't want you stressing over it the night before we start it and i'm gonna put a speech at the front so when you have the rough draft send it don't rush man you have plenty of time :headbang:

Oh yeah, don't worry. I'm not one to let anyone hurry me up.

I assume your speech will be that of Abraham Lincoln.

Ah I'm so excited for this. Leading Prussia to victory over the Confederates sounds oh so exciting.

Corbournne;12662171']Looks like he gave you both. :p

Anyway, Tynish, I'm thinking we should remove China and Japan, since they weren't really world powers at this stage.

I agree. They weren't world powers at the moment they were just like conquering.

I agree. They weren't world powers at the moment they were just like conquering.

Yes, they were both gaining in power, but were not quite yet powerful. Anyways, I don't envision a brigade of Asian troops fighting on American soil anyway. :p

Plus, Japan is going to be going through a civil war in not too long.

Corbournne;12662244']Oh yeah, don't worry. I'm not one to let anyone hurry me up.

I assume your speech will be that of Abraham Lincoln.

Who else would it be?

this smily? :sniper:

I cannot wait any longer must lead Prussia to Victory!

Lol then get people to join...

Ok sorry this is me Tynish but this is my alternate account

Ah I'm so excited for this. Leading Prussia to victory over the Confederates sounds oh so exciting.

Gonna have to go through Britain and France first!

Corbournne;12662356']Gonna have to go through Britain and France first!

In Czarist Russia, Streltsi go through YOU!

I haven't been on here in a long while, but this is too interesting to pass up. Give me PA, if you please.

In Czarist Russia, Streltsi go through YOU!

zOmG!!!!

And Quaon, you are accepted.

Corbournne;12662848']zOmG!!!!

And Quaon, you are accepted.

I wasnt sure about the spelling but meh, close enough ;)

This is gonna rock once we get more guys I can already tell that people in this Rp have experience and will make this so entertaning

Now please if you have signed up talk others in to this great Rp

or I will be forced to do this.....:headbang:

Corbournne;12662356']Gonna have to go through Britain and France first!

Well, France, won't be too hard, but Britain... Darn the Royal Navy.

Prussia can easily destroy France, look at the Franco-Prussian War.

I must, however, read up on this time period, for I do not know enough.

Well, France, won't be too hard, but Britain... Darn the Royal Navy.

Prussia can easily destroy France, look at the Franco-Prussian War.

I must, however, read up on this time period, for I do not know enough.

Pshh, Texas will own you all. Lol.

Here is my list like TPF had of favorite nations or w/e:

1. Republic of Texas
2. C.S.A.
3. Die Bundesrepublik Deustchland
4. U.S.A.

Come to think of it, should we bump up Bismarck's creation of Germany, or should I just roleplay Prussia or the German Confederation?

I would think Prussia but if you get enough stuff to back you up then i'll change my mind

There are so many more good states for example

New York, Massachusetts, Tennesee and many more


join now or I will do this to all you.....:gundge:

jk lol

Eh, regarding the Franco-Prussian war-- France was ruled by a pissant trying to live up to Napolean Bonaparte's greatness.

Furthermore, am I allowed to rp an increase in my colonial gains, ship building, and even aquiring new colonies?

well yes sure but only colonies in the Carribean

Can anybody give me an idea of where to find good stuff about the Union at this time...

don't say Wiki or Google I mean sites themselves :confused:

Get Your States, Get Your States!!!

There are still many states left some with power others with none you may have two but only one can be super strong and you may have one on the CSA and one on the Union

with all those odds I don't know what you will loose :D

I dont think Germany should be united yet. It gives austria and I a chance to play heavily in your diplomatic plans. If it was united...then we would all be dead.

Well, IF France declared on us first, I can practically gurantee that it would be united. That what occurred IRL, after all.

I'm not entierlly sure if all those states arte going to be taken. Personally, I think we just give a block of states, like 3-5 to one person.

Oh fine 2-5 states are aloud for now on just to get this going but still you can't have all the good ones

If Austria even steps on German territory, I will incorporate it into the Reich. There was a reason why Austria never fought Germany directly.

And that's why we allied.

Well, IF France declared on us first, I can practically gurantee that it would be united. That what occurred IRL, after all.

I know. Im just saying that I want to be able to swallow up some lands in certain areas that have been neutral since the time of Napoleon... And that if you where united with the rest of Germany that would end up in a massive earlier version of ww1.

If Austria even steps on German territory, I will incorporate it into the Reich. There was a reason why Austria never fought Germany directly.

And that's why we allied.

Austro-Prussian War?

ok...so thats Prussia vs Austria and some German states not Germany vs Austria...

and some of us know how that turned out for Austria...

la la

OCC:tpf check your TG

No worries guys, I'm still here!

So do we make factbooks or something once this starts? Just some basic information and of course your armed forces.

No worries guys, I'm still here!

So do we make factbooks or something once this starts? Just some basic information and of course your armed forces.


You can start it but once we have an assembly you can put it there

now one question for all that have joined....

Should that states choose which side there on or just thge countries cause if the states could then one side may have a lot more than the other

I will stay with the Utah Territory.

You can start it but once we have an assembly you can put it there

now one question for all that have joined....

Should that states choose which side there on or just thge countries cause if the states could then one side may have a lot more than the other

I would suggest that all the states involved should stay on the side they were in the actual war, but only the countries could choose their side... just a thought!

You can start it but once we have an assembly you can put it there

now one question for all that have joined....

Should that states choose which side there on or just thge countries cause if the states could then one side may have a lot more than the other

I think that most states should be on the historical side. But some like the utah territory should get to choose whichever.

I think that most states should be on the historical side. But some like the utah territory should get to choose whichever.

Indeed, territories and the border states can choose their sides.

Also, Caroliginias, you can pretty much do anything you want, you can even expand into South America if you want.

And TPF, you must be Prussia, but if you convincingly RP it, you can bring about German unification early. (though you'll be required to do it at least semi-militarily, unless you go to war with France or Austria.)

And since it seems to be the cool thing to do these days, I'm going to list my favorite countries of all time. And first of all, I'm not some anti-American anarchist or anything. I like the US, it simply isn't my favorite.

1. CSA
2. Imperial France
3. Poland
4. Wales

I intend for, as the war heats up, PA to secede, but not to the CSA but become the Commonwealth of Pennsyalvania. If I cannot do that, I have no interest in playing.

A war in Europe you say? Might I want to get involved?

I intend for, as the war heats up, PA to secede, but not to the CSA but become the Commonwealth of Pennsyalvania. If I cannot do that, I have no interest in playing.

Playing the CSA, I naturally have no objection.

If it's fine with Tynish, then it's all good.

And, yes Caroliginias, stop Prussian expansion! That is, if TPF decides to go agressive.

Oh, I will go agressive

Oh, I will go agressive

Oh dear, how did I guess? :p

Corbournne;12666345']Oh dear, how did I guess? :p

Yep. France will fall. The problem is the Royal Navy. I'll have to re-united and work with Austria to effectively take them on.

Yep. France will fall. The problem is the Royal Navy. I'll have to re-united and work with Austria to effectively take them on.

France won't fall lol. I'll make sure that dosen't happen. I'll have to call up a bunch of men, but it shall be done.

Yep. France will fall. The problem is the Royal Navy. I'll have to re-united and work with Austria to effectively take them on.

Well, we'll see about the first part.

And I'm afraid Austria isn't going to give you much naval help there, albeit a little.

EDIT: Actually, I doubt any of the navies of the world can help you. I think Britain had about half of the warships in the world or something. At least they did back in the Napoleonic Wars.

Oh, and the CS will help France out with reduced cotton prices!

I know, this is where the U.S. navy comes in. With us two, we should win.

I know, this is where the U.S. navy comes in. With us two, we should win.

I seriously doubt it. :p

You won't live in time. I assure you, I have some tricks up my sleeve.

Well, I sure as heck ain't gunna sit in Europe the whole time.

Russia and I are best buddies ;)


Turtledove FTW.

Well, I sure as heck ain't gunna sit in Europe the whole time.

Oh certainly not, just stay out of North America!

You know what, invade Russia! That'll open up Asia, and definitely not lead to the Quadruple Entente

Russia and I are best buddies ;)


Turtledove FTW.

Oh, I see...

Time Warp FTW.

Tuertledove....

Tuertledove....

What 'bout him?

EDIT: Oh, the whole Quadruple Entente thing, haha.

He's also the best author [ or one of them]

He's also the best author [ or one of them]

Quite honestly, I hadn't even heard of him 'till I joined up on here.

Anyway, though, I've picked up the basic Timeline 191 storyline from Wiki.

texas will own you all!!

The Timeline 191, is where he shines. You'll know him if you get into Alt hisory Sci Fi

Ok guys i've been reading your posts but don't feel like quoting them all so

first of all PA can become a Commonwealth but must fight on the side of the Union because thats how this is being written with the original states in each side they were originaly on so yea it can become it's own country but just fight on the side of the Union.

texas will own you all!!

Dude that won't be possible sayinbg that if you try to win over the whole Nation then haha go back home man thats just not worth trying CSA will have much more manpower than you but if your Militia has the will power to fight without there moral going down then so be it but it probably won't work

did you make it so we can claim more states? If so I want Louisiana and Indian Territory (Oklahoma) to add to Texas. And if Pennsylvania is a commonwealth, can I recreate the Republic of Texas?

did you make it so we can claim more states? If so I want Louisiana and Indian Territory (Oklahoma) to add to Texas. And if Pennsylvania is a commonwealth, can I recreate the Republic of Texas?

Oh yes but the only problem is that you can't just make all of there armed forces together and then fight for your own turf because Texas is CSA and plus you'd have to ask your president (Corbourne) to do that

Dude that won't be possible sayinbg that if you try to win over the whole Nation then haha go back home man thats just not worth trying CSA will have much more manpower than you but if your Militia has the will power to fight without there moral going down then so be it but it probably won't work

Lol. Texas wasn't the power back then that it is today. If texas sceded from the Union today (which is legal, only sate in the union with that right) it would have the 8th best economy in the world... Plus over 1/4 of the US's armed forces come from Texas...

Lol. Texas wasn't the power back then that it is today. If texas sceded from the Union today (which is legal, only sate in the union with that right) it would have the 8th best economy in the world... Plus over 1/4 of the US's armed forces come from Texas...

But that is today and not back in the 1860s

Is there going to be a map?

Good idea yea i'll work on it now and add it to the Assembly thread (not yet out) but it will be soon

id like to take North Carolina and either Georgia or Tennessee if they are open.

We might want to post who has what just so we know what is is open.

Ok guys i've been reading your posts but don't feel like quoting them all so

first of all PA can become a Commonwealth but must fight on the side of the Union because thats how this is being written with the original states in each side they were originaly on so yea it can become it's own country but just fight on the side of the Union.

Then I have no interest in this.

And Turtledove FTW!

Lol. Texas wasn't the power back then that it is today. If texas sceded from the Union today (which is legal, only sate in the union with that right) it would have the 8th best economy in the world... Plus over 1/4 of the US's armed forces come from Texas...

Actually, even though Texas was not officially in the Union, the case Texas v. White (1869) ruled that they still had no right to secede. And even if that was overturned, the US wouldn't let go of Texas anyway. Without a fight, that is.

And actually, it would have the fourteenth, by GDP (PPP). :p

And West Virginia would be thrirty-first!

w00t!!!!

And sorry 'bout that, Quaon, but I don't have the power to overrule another mod.

And Tarlag, it's all on the first page, except for, and Towering Flames, they're all open, you can claim all three of them if you wish.

Corbourne you could of made that descision your self with Quaon

you remind me of that secratery on Click who had to write it down just to ask to go to the Adam Sandler to go to the Bathroom

is Florida still open?

is Florida still open?

Of course it is would you like to claim it?

yes i would..sorry too lazy to read through all the posts..had a bit too much fun last night now im having a rough day lol

Corbourne you could of made that descision your self with Quaon

you remind me of that secratery on Click who had to write it down just to ask to go to the Adam Sandler to go to the Bathroom

Well, I thought that since we are both mods, it has to be a joint decision.

And I did post this: Playing the CSA, I naturally have no objection.

If it's fine with Tynish, then it's all good.

Anyway, welcome Gataway!

EDIT: Oh, and Tynish, I sent you a map.

thank you..lol....Florida shall win it all lol

Yea I know Corbourne but something like that especially with your superiority in History knowledge then you should be dealing with that

Oh and Gateway do you want one more state so we can get this going fatser

Yea I know Corbourne but something like that especially with your superiority in History knowledge then you should be dealing with that

Well, it's not really a matter of history, just what we prefer.

Personally, I say he should be allowed too, but if you feel strongly about it, I don't care.

What we need to do is establish a rule about states becoming independent.

I'll take Alabama as well if its available..I tend to find that when you let one state form its own country then many others follow...I haven no intentions of doing that with my states...I plan on fighting with the CSA

I'll take Alabama as well if its available..I tend to find that when you let one state form its own country then many others follow...I haven no intentions of doing that with my states...I plan on fighting with the CSA

I believe it is.

Yeah, I say allow one for each side. That spices up things a little, without completely taking out the realism aspect of it.

Yes..in the other civil war rp I was in only myself (North Carolina) KY, Virginia and GA were making up the CSA all the other southern states formed their own countries..so did California and other western areas as well as Texas...and several northern states..I got out of the rp tho after that It was insane..

Yes..in the other civil war rp I was in only myself (North Carolina) KY, Virginia and GA were making up the CSA all the other southern states formed their own countries..so did California and other western areas as well as Texas...and several northern states..I got out of the rp tho after that It was insane..

Yeah, that's just insane.

Territories are allowed to do whatever they want, (since they don't have many people anyway) but only one state per side can secede from its country.

How does that sound, Tynish?

Ok well then the new rule is that each side may have one State that is it's own country to make things more interesting


that means Quoan you may make PA that way the only prob is you might get crushed so you may wanna take sides with somebody

So..what all needs to be in the factbook..I have free time right now so I wanna get started on it..if its too early or w/e thats fine..

So..what all needs to be in the factbook..I have free time right now so I wanna get started on it..if its too early or w/e thats fine..

Ask Corbourne

So..what all needs to be in the factbook..I have free time right now so I wanna get started on it..if its too early or w/e thats fine..

Pretty much all you need to put is your representatives to the US Congress, (soon to be to the Confederate Congress) Governors, and militia stats. Anything else you can think of, go ahead and add.

alrighty then will do

alrighty then will do

Mmk, and if you find a good source of militias, please give a link, so others can use it.

I'll get to making one for the Confederacy when I know exactly who's in it, and when it has an actual army, instead of a collection of militias.

For the armies, I intend to keep them with the realistic numbers and commanders. (with a few changes)

Ahem, *Braxton Bragg*, cough.

its hard to find a site for all the CSA states militias.mostly broken down on a state by state basis..that or I keep getting sent to some racist KKK site lol...here's a list for Senators tho...

http://www.civilwarhome.com/confederatesenators.htm

and one for Governors

http://www.civilwarhome.com/southerngovernors.htm

its hard to find a site for all the CSA states militias.mostly broken down on a state by state basis..that or I keep getting sent to some racist KKK site lol...here's a list for Senators tho...

http://www.civilwarhome.com/confederatesenators.htm

Cool, try to search for pre-war USA stats, they should be close.

I found this...u might want it when u work on the CSA army as a whole..

http://www.tarleton.edu/~kjones/confeds.html

If you can't find reliable militia stats, forget about it, most of them will probably be included in the Confederate armies anyway.

These armies weren't founded until a month or so before First Manassas, but they should be ready for the first battle.

If Tynish decides to strike in the west, I'll probably just move up the creation of the Armies of the Mississppi and Tennessee.

Also, I've decided that I might not have Jefferson as President considering he actually didn't want to be. I might put him in charge of a western army, since he was a military man.

Government

Government Leader: President Alexander Stephens
Vice President: Robert Toombs
Secretary of State: Judah P. Benjamin
Secretary of War: Leroy Pope Walker

Military

Major Commanders: General Joseph Eggleston Johnston, Brigadier General Pierre Gustave Toutant de Beauregard

Military Personnel: 150,000 (1861)
Premier Armies: Potomac and Shenandoah (52,500)

Army of the Potomac: Brigadier General P.G.T. Beauregard

First Brigade: Brigadier General Milledge L. Bonham
11th North Carolina - Colonel W.W. Kirkland
2nd South Carolina - Colonel J.B. Kershaw
3rd South Carolina - Colonel J.H. Williams
7th South Carolina - Colonel T.G. Bacon
8th South Carolina - Colonel E.G.R. Cash
Alexandria Light Artillery - Captain D. Kemper
8th Louisiana - Colonel H.B. Kelly
1st Company, Richmond Howitzers - Captain J.C. Shields
30th Virginia Cavalry - Colonel R.C.W. Radford

Radford Rangers - Captain W. Radford
Botetourt Dragoons - Captain A. L. Pitzer
Hanover Light Dragoons - Captain W. C. Wickham
Fairfax Cavalry - Captain E. B. Powell

Lieutenant Colonel W. Munford's Squadron

Black Horse Troop - Captain W. H. Payne
Chesterfield Light Dragoons - Captain W. B. Ball
Franklin Rangers - Captain G. W. H. Hale


Second Brigade: Brigadier General Richard S. Ewell
5th Alabama - Colonel R.E. Rodes
6th Alabama - Colonel J.J. Seibels
6th Louisiana - Colonel J.G. Seymour
Washington Artillery, 1st Company - Captain T.L. Rosser
Cavalry Battalion, Lieutenant Colonel W. H. Jenifer


Third Brigade: Brigadier General D. R. Jones
17th Mississippi - Colonel W.S. Featherson
18th Mississippi - Colonel E.B. Burt
5th South Carolina - Colonel M. Jenkins
Appomattox Rangers, 30th Virginia Cavalry - Captain J.W. Flood
Washington Artillery, 2nd Company- Captain M.B. Miller

Fourth Brigade: Brigadier General James Longstreet
5th North Carolina - Lieutenant Colonel J. P. Jones
1st Virginia - Major F.G. Skinner
11th Virginia - Colonel S. Garland
17th Virginia - Colonel M.D. Corse
24th Virginia - Colonel P. Hairston
Washington Artillery, 3rd Company - Lieutenant J.J. Garnett
Amherst Mounted Rangers, 30th Virginia Cavalry - Captain E. Whitehead

Fifth Brigade: Colonel P. St. George Cocke
8th Virginia - Colonel E. Hunton
18th Virginia - Colonel R.E. Withers
19th Virginia - Lieutenant Colonel J.B. Strange
28th Virginia - Colonel R.T. Preston
49th Virginia Battalion - Colonel W. ("Extra Billy") Smith
Loudoun Artillery - Captain A.L. Rogers
Lynchburg Artillery - Captain H.G. Latham
Wise Troop - Captain J. S. Langhorne

Sixth Brigade: Colonel Jubal A. Early
7th Louisiana - Colonel H.T. Hays
13th Mississippi - Colonel W. Barksdale
7th Virginia - Colonel J.L. Kemper
Washington Artillery, 4th Company - Lieutenant C.W. Squires, J.B. Richardson & J.B. Whittington

Seventh Brigade: Colonel Nathan G. Evans
1st Special Louisiana Battalion - Major C.R. Wheat
4th South Carolina - Colonel J.B.E. Sloan
Campbell Rangers, 30th Virginia Cavalry - Captain J.D. Alexander
Clay Dragoons, 30th Virginia Cavalry - Captain W.R. Terry

Reserve Brigade: Brigadier General Theophilus H. Holmes
1st Arkansas - Colonel J.F. Fagan
2nd Tennessee - Colonel W. Bate
Purcell Artillery - Captain L. Walker
Hampton's South Carolina Legion (6 Cos.) - Colonel W. Hampton
Camp Picken's Battery - Captain Sterrett

Four Negro Brigades

Army of the Shenandoah: General Joseph E. Johnston

First Brigade: Brigadier General Thomas J. Jackson
2nd Virginia - Colonel J.W. Allen
4th Virginia - Colonel J.F. Preston
5th Virginia - Colonel K. Harper
27th Virginia - Lieutenant Colonel J. Echols
33rd Virginia (8 Cos.) - Colonel A.C. Cummings
Rockbridge Artillery - Captain J. P. Brockenbrough

Second Brigade: Colonel Francis Bartow
7th Georgia - Colonel L.J. Gartrell
8th Georgia - Lieutenant Colonel W.M. Gardner
Wise Artillery - Lieutenant J. Pelham

Third Brigade: Brigadier General Barnard E. Bee
4th Alabama - Colonel E. Jones, Colonel S.R. Gist
2nd Mississippi - Colonel W.C. Falkner
11th Mississippi - (Cos. A&F) - Lieutenant Colonel P.F. Liddell
6th North Carolina - Colonel C.F. Fisher
Staunton Artillery - Captain J. Imboden

Fourth Brigade: Brigadier General Edmund Kirby Smith
1st Maryland Battalion - Lieutenant Colonel G.H. Steuart
3rd Tennessee - Colonel J.C. Vaughn
10th Virginia - Colonel S.B. Gibbons
Culpeper Artillery - Lieutenant R. F. Beckham

Not Brigaded:
1st Virginia Cavalry - Colonel J.E.B. Stuart
Thomas Artillery - Captain P.B. Stanard

Two Negro Brigades

what about guys from Texas and Lousiana?

what about guys from Texas and Lousiana?

There's the 8th Louisiana, the Botetourt Rangers, 7th Louisiana, and the 1st Special Louisiana.

Most of them will serve in the west, so expect more in the Armies of Tennessee and Mississppi.

I hate fact books. Must I do one? :(

Corbournne;12668921']There's the 8th Louisiana, the Botetourt Rangers, 7th Louisiana, and the 1st Special Louisiana.

Most of them will serve in the west, so expect more in the Armies of Tennessee and Mississppi.

OK, I just didn't know that ayou hadn't finished the army...

Yes you have to make one but if you want you can ask somneone else to do it for you

Corbourne where did you find the sites for all those units in the CSA Potomac army cause maybe theres one on the Union or could you just tell me a place to find stuff

I hate fact books. Must I do one? :(

No, not a factbook per se, all you really need to do is post your governmental leaders and military strength.

And Tynish, I e-mailed you.

And yeah, Kampf, I'm definitely not done.

Alabama

Senators-
Clement C. Clay, Jr.
William L. Yancey
Robert Jemison, Jr.
Richard W. Walker

Governor-
Andrew B. Moore

Population-954,201

Military Strength


Economic features-
Mobile-Major port,foundries, and Arsenals, Agricultural products mostly cotton..


Florida

Senators-
James M. Baker
Augustus E. Maxwell

Governor-
Madison S. Perry

Population-140,424

Military Strength


Major Economic factors
Large Cattle reserves, Salt making plants, Other Agricultural products, Ports to accept equipment from foreign nations


(I got the population by adding the estimated Free populations + the estimated slave populations..I intend to use blacks in my military forces since they are all freed anyways and I am still looking for reliable military strength information)

Union General Facts

*will be updated daily


Government

Government Leader: President Abraham Lincoln
Vice President: Hannibal Hamlin
Secretary of State: William H. Seward
Secretary of War: Simon Cameron
Secretary of the Treasury: Salmon P. Chase
Postmaster General: Montgomery Blair
Attorney General: Edward Bates
Secretary of the Navy: Gideon Welles
Secretary of the Interior: Caleb B. Smith


Military

Army Chief of Staff: Lt. General Irvin Mcdowell
Major Commanders: George G. Meade, Ulysses S. Grant, Tecumseh Sherman

Military Personnel: 75,000 (1861)
Premier Army: Army of Northeastern Virginia (37,000)

Army of Northeastern Virginia

Commander: Lt. General Irvin Mcdowell


First Brigade: Colonel Erasmus D. Keyes
2nd Maine - Colonel C.D. Jamerson
1st Connecticut - Lieutenant Colonel Speidel
2nd Connecticut - Colonel A.H. Terry
3rd Connecticut - Colonel J.L. Chatfield

Second Brigade: Brigadier General Robert C. Schenck
2nd New York - Colonel G.W.B. Tompkins
1st Ohio - Colonel A. McD. McCook
2nd Ohio - Lieutenant Colonel R. Mason
Company E, 2nd U.S. Artillery - Captain J.H. Carlisle

Third Brigade: Colonel William T. Sherman
13th New York - Colonel I. F. Quinby
69th New York - Colonel M. Corcoran (W&C), Captain J. Kelly
79th New York - Colonel J. Cameron (K)
2nd Wisconsin - Lieutenant Colonel H.W. Peck
Company E, 3rd U.S. Artillery - Captain R.B. Ayres

Fourth Brigade: Colonel Israel B. Richardson
1st Massachusetts - Colonel R. Cowdin
12th New York - Colonel E.L. Wairath
2nd Michigan - Major A.W. Williams
3rd Michigan - Colonel D. McConnell, Lieutenant Colonel Stevens
Company G, 1st US Artillery (2 guns), Lt. J. Edwards
Company M, 2nd US Artillery (4 guns), Capt. H. J. Hunt
SECOND DIVISION - Colonel David Hunter (W), Colonel Andrew Porter

First Brigade: Colonel Andrew Porter
8th New York (Militia) - Colonel G. Lyons
14th New York (Militia) - Colonel A.M. Wood (W), Lieutenant Colonel E. B. Fowler
27th New York - Colonel H. W. Slocum (W), Major J.J. Bartlett
U.S. Infantry Battalion (8 Cos.) - Major G. Sykes
U.S. Marine Corps Battalion - Major J.G. Reynolds
U.S. Cavalry Battalion (7 Cos.) - Major I.N. Palmer
Company D, 5th U.S. Artillery - Captain C. Griffin

Second Brigade: Colonel Ambrose E. Burnside
2nd New Hampshire - Colonel G. Marston (W), Lieutenant Colonel F.S. Flake
1st Rhode Island - Major J.P. Balch
2nd Rhode Island - Colonel J.S. Slocum (K), Lieutenant Colonel F. Wheaton
71st New York - Colonel H.P. Martin
2nd Rhode Island Battery, Capt. William H. Reynolds

Third Division: Colonel Samuel P. Heintzelman (W)

First Brigade: Colonel William B. Franklin
5th Massachusetts - Colonel S.C. Lawrence (W)
11th Massachusetts - Colonel G. Clark
1st Minnesota - Colonel W.A. Gorman
4th Pennsylvania - Colonel John F. Hartranft
Company I, 1st U.S. Artillery - Captain J.B. Ricketts (W&C)

Second Brigade: Colonel Orlando B. Willcox (W&C), Colonel J.H. Hobart Ward
11th New York - Lt. Colonel N.C. Farnham (W)
38th New York - Colonel J.H. Hobart Ward, Lt. Colonel A. Farnsworth
1st Michigan - Major A.F. Bidwell
4th Michigan - Colonel D.A. Woodbury
Company D, 2nd U.S. Artillery - Captain R. Arnold

Third Brigade: Colonel Oliver O. Howard
3rd Maine - Major H.G. Staples
4th Maine - Colonel H.G. Berry
5th Maine - Colonel M.H. Dunnell
2nd Vermont - Colonel H. Whiting
Fourth Division: Brigadier General Theodore Runyon

Militia
1st New Jersey - Colonel A.J. Johnson
2nd New Jersey - Colonel H. M. Baker
3rd New Jersey - Colonel W. Napton
4th New Jersey - Colonel M. Miller Volunteers

Volunteers
1st New Jersey - Colonel W.R. Montgomery
2nd New Jersey - Colonel G.W. McLean
3rd New Jersey - Colonel G. W. McLean
41st New York - Colonel L. Von Gilsa
Fifth Division: Colonel Dixon S. Miles
First Brigade: Colonel Louis Blenker
8th New York - Lieutenant Colonel J. Stahel
29th New York - Colonel A. von Steinwehr
39th New York - Colonel F.G. D'Utassy
27th Pennsylvania - Colonel M. Einstein
Company A, 2nd U.S. Artillery - Captain J.C. Tidball
8th New York Militia Battery - Captain C. Brookwood

Second Brigade: Colonel Thomas A. Davies
16th New York - Lieutenant Colonel S. Marsh
18th New York - Colonel W.A. Jackson
31st New York - Colonel C.E. Pratt
32nd New York - Colonel R. Matheson
Company G, 2nd U.S. Artillery - Lieutenant O.D. Greene

Important Facts

Population: 27,489,561 (Counting CSA)

Alabama

Senators-
Clement C. Clay, Jr.
William L. Yancey
Robert Jemison, Jr.
Richard W. Walker

Governor-
Andrew B. Moore

Population-954,201

Military Strength


Economic features-
Mobile-Major port,foundries, and Arsenals, Agricultural products mostly cotton..


Florida

Senators-
James M. Baker
Augustus E. Maxwell

Governor-
Madison S. Perry

Population-140,424

Military Strength


Major Economic factors
Large Cattle reserves, Salt making plants, Other Agricultural products, Ports to accept equipment from foreign nations


(I got the population by adding the estimated Free populations + the estimated slave populations..I intend to use blacks in my military forces since they are all freed anyways and I am still looking for reliable military strength information)

(w00t! I forgot about blacks, time to boost up the numbers in the Armies of the Potomac and Shenandoah.)

Corbournne;12669161'](w00t! I forgot about blacks, time to boost up the numbers in the Armies of the Potomac and Shenandoah.)

Crap man theres like nobody joining the Union crap what am I gonna do especially with PA gone I needed that state for things atleast I get its troops i'm definitly not disbanding them

Hey guys just to say umm i'm thinking that most of the African Americans would be going to the North trying to get awy from the South as far as possible because they probably don't trust any of you

Hey guys just to say umm i'm thinking that most of the African Americans would be going to the North trying to get awy from the South as far as possible because they probably don't trust any of you

Not really, the CS wouldn't just let them go. And look at the South today, most blacks still live there. Life for free blacks wasn't much better in the North than in the South. Anyway, we probably wouldn't have freed them unless the males agreed to fight.

And, in RL 1864, the CS Congress approved a bill to allow 400,000 black to fight in return for their freedom.

And with/without PA, you still have twice as many people as I (blacks included). Anyway, I say you be allowed to control any units formed before he secedes. The formula for black forces will be: 2 White Soldiers/1 Black Soldier. Also, you can go ahead and incorporate black troops into your army early, since we freed them. I'm sure there's a site you can go to with info on black regiments.

I'll be the Ottoman Empire if I can - I'm on regularly though I'm not sure if I'll be too active due to other RP's, though I'll be active enough as I need to be all the way over there in Eastern Europe - though, true with the Turks of the day, I'll have a strict anti-slavery positon with it's problems.

I'll be the Ottoman Empire if I can - I'm on regularly though I'm not sure if I'll be too active due to other RP's, though I'll be active enough as I need to be all the way over there in Eastern Europe - though, true with the Turks of the day, I'll have a strict anti-slavery positon with it's problems.

Ok good i'll add you and plus if your Nation is abolinitionist then you mine as well be allies with the Union...snickers i'm so good

Ok good i'll add you and plus if your Nation is abolinitionist then you mine as well be allies with the Union...snickers i'm so good

Ah, but the South has abolished slavery as well! :D

Ok good i'll add you and plus if your Nation is abolinitionist then you mine as well be allies with the Union...snickers i'm so good

Well, around this time the Empire was at it's most powerful but waning in power, though it still controlled most of the Balkan States, most of Greece, Turkey and various African and Asian terrorities. However we are in fear of Russia and Austria as they are powerful neighbours, especially Russia. With the Crimean War recently over Russia and them are not the best of friends, though Britain and France are closer allies.

Anyway, I've followed the general view in the Empire at that time, slavery was wrong and the government did not like it, though they accepted that it did happen in there country and was quite important to them. Also, what is the situation in America - who has slavery, who doesn't?

Ok well heres what happened the Union abolished slavery but the CSA abolished it because they wanted support from Europe so they don't really want abolishment just did it for the allies

who has slavery?

No one.

And Tynish, it's actually a good thing states aren't joining up with you, it means you can pass any laws and take any troops you want.

are North Carolina Georgia or Tennessee still open? if so i would glady play as any of them.

But dude its also harder because I have to control all these thearters I think we did it wrong with the storyline but i like it anyway

are North Carolina Georgia or Tennessee still open? if so i would glady play as any of them.

You already have all three. :p

And I'm controlling all the theatres too, Tynish. The states don't have their own armies.

I don't see much wrong with the storyline. It's not perfect, but nothing ever is.

I guess well um gosh it wouyld just makje it easier with people controlling states i know you wouldn't be all happy with nobody on your side

gosh whats up with everybody the CSA are you kidding me lol..Jk

http://home.zonnet.nl/gerardvonhebel/euro1861.GIF

That is a map of the state of Europe in 1861, incase your interested. Russia does look worryingly big.

If neither states have slavery, I'm not sure what to do. I'm bound to be more friendly to Britain and France because of there recent help in a war though, but I won't state my plans yet. Do I need to create a factbook, in here or a seperate thread?

http://home.zonnet.nl/gerardvonhebel/euro1861.GIF

That is a map of the state of Europe in 1861, incase your interested. Russia does look worryingly big.

If neither states have slavery, I'm not sure what to do. I'm bound to be more friendly to Britain and France because of there recent help in a war though, but I won't state my plans yet. Do I need to create a factbook, in here or a seperate thread?

Yeah, we'll keep that one as reference, while we have an editable one for alliances. And Honako, remember that Britain and France are on the Confederacy's side. :D

Just post one here for now.

And haha, Tynish is lonely. Just kidding, just kidding. It's not your fault, the CSA is just the cool thing to do these days. :p

I read the thread, and I may side with Prussia and Russia to save myself from them, so don't think that I'll certainly be on your side Corbournne. :p

I can't be that bothered with a factbook right now, but my nation has around 35,000,000 people, is quite industralised, has a large army due to conscription (not sure how large, could someone tell me) and also a quite modern for the time navy, which although is not capable really for destroying say Britains, can defend well.

I read the thread, and I may side with Prussia and Russia to save myself from them, so don't think that I'll certainly be on your side Corbournne. :p

I can't be that bothered with a factbook right now, but my nation has around 35,000,000 people, is quite industralised, has a large army due to conscription (not sure how large, could someone tell me) and also a quite modern for the time navy, which although is not capable really for destroying say Britains, can defend well.

Well Prussia's not going to hurt you as much as Britain and France could. Granted, though, Russia, might be able to equal them. Hopefully, Austria will decide to side with us, so the pressure on you from Russia won't be quite as powerful.

All sounds good, though I would like to know where you found out about the industrialization.

Yeah, it's not Prussia alone I fear, it's them and Russia together (however Russia's miltary has been weakened and navy nearly destroyed due to the wars against them by me, Britain and France)! I found out about industralism here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_history_of_the_Ottoman_Empire - it's only because of the industrial revolution etc. but mostly I relied on trade. But also somewhere on wiki I read they were building up there cities, though rural areas still have a lot of farmers etc.

Yeah, it's not Prussia alone I fear, it's them and Russia together (however Russia's miltary has been weakened and navy nearly destroyed due to the wars against them by me, Britain and France)! I found out about industralism here http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economic_history_of_the_Ottoman_Empire - it's only because of the industrial revolution etc. but also somewhere on wiki I read they were building up there cities, though rural areas still have a lot of farmers etc.

Ok, I wasn't doubting you, just wondering.

Corbournne;12669788']Ok, I wasn't doubting you, just wondering.

Are there any threads on this already, and are there any plans to be some soon, if so, how will it kick off? Just wondering.

Are there any threads on this already, and are there any plans to be some soon, if so, how will it kick off? Just wondering.

No, you haven't missed anything. We're soon going to create an Assembly thread, where states will declare their stance on secession, and foreign nations will send messages endorsing their favored side.

Corbournne;12669824']No, you haven't missed anything. We're soon going to create an Assembly thread, where states will declare their stance on secession, and foreign nations will send messages endorsing their favored side.

Good, I'll make sure to check that out.

Omg what the f*** is up with this I have nobody but one bik block of land with no Governers for each state this is really going to suck for me

I shall rebuild Imperial Russia to its former glory! And have we made the thread yet?

down with the Union lol

Lol, if you join me Honako I guarantee that you will live.

No we have not we will do an assembly first to see whos side everyones on and then onto battle

crap i'm dead

Psshh Honako, Ally with the CSA!!!!!

Not having governors doesn't doom you Tynish, you still control 95% of the industry, railroads, canals, etc. The North even had more farms. And Europe, save for maybe the Royal Navy, probably won't intervene immediately.

Carloginias and Kampfers are right, Honako, join sides with the CSA, Britain, and France. You can't stop it. It is inevitable...

Don't worry Tynish, us Europeans have to deal with each other first.

Honako think about it before you decide what side your on

I mean really the ones down South don't have enough resources for this war

The Union will crush this Rebellion and let all men get on with their lives again

Honako think about it before you decide what side your on

I mean really the ones down South don't have enough resources for this war

The Union will crush this Rebellion and let all men get on with their lives again

Or you could just leave us alone. :D

I am currently indifferent to the American situation, as long as I get my cotton. Once Europe is cleared up I'll get involved in America.

Psh, Honako, you and me are like this holds up two inertwined fingers and I am Texas. So, what say we keep those relations. Although I have to admit it might be fun to RP against you...

let the Yanks come...Stars and Bars will fly over DC within a week...

I am currently indifferent to the American situation, as long as I get my cotton. Once Europe is cleared up I'll get involved in America.


If you want cotton support the CSA Cotton is King...just make sure you keep my port of Mobile open and you'll have allllll the cotton you could ever want

I am currently indifferent to the American situation, as long as I get my cotton. Once Europe is cleared up I'll get involved in America.

Well, the RP revolves around the CS getting Britain and France on their side, so you're at least going to have to break up the blockade with your navy. (if Tynish decides to use his navy in that way)

Anyway, Union blockade= no cotton.

If you want cotton support the CSA Cotton is King...just make sure you keep my port of Mobile open and you'll have allllll the cotton you could ever want

Actually, Galveston was the most important Southern port before 1900 when the hurricane came through. And New Orleans was the second. Both of which I control! How cool is that!

Union blockade=Doom for CSA

Corbournne;12670339']Well, the RP revolves around the CS getting Britain and France on their side, so you're at least going to have to break up the blockade with your navy. (if Tynish decides to use his navy in that way)

Anyway, Union blockade= no cotton.

Yeah, we need those navies.

Union blockade=Doom for CSA


Just like in RL.

It resulted in inflation, which resulted in riots, which resulted in loss of public support for the war.

Ok first of all you guys think about


Your slaves are free they won't work for you guys by now your all in debt

plus guess what you Rebels are still not succeded yet so it's the Unions cotton

oh and Yea Carloginias read your TG I sent you

Ok first of all you guys think about


Your slaves are free they won't work for you guys by now your all in debt

plus guess what you Rebels are still not succeded yet so it's the Unions cotton

They'll work for minimum pay.

The Union cotton, but the farmer's fields.

One second you say you're going to get killed, and now you're pointing out why you're going to win. Make up your mind! :D

Your slaves are free they won't work for you guys by now your all in debt

Huh? My slaves are freed? When did this happen? Oh well, guess they will become "sharecroppers" now. Time for the Jim Crow laws! But seriously, when did this happen?

yes n Mobile was the #3 port for exporting cotton

Huh? My slaves are freed? When did this happen? Oh well, guess they will become "sharecroppers" now. Time for the Jim Crow laws! But seriously, when did this happen?


It's the plot of the RP, to bring in foreign support for the Confederacy.

Huh? My slaves are freed? When did this happen? Oh well, guess they will become "sharecroppers" now. Time for the Jim Crow laws! But seriously, when did this happen?

And if they are frees, we leave the union and reenslave them. Its that simple.

Corbournne;12670366']It's the plot of the RP, to bring in foreign support for the Confederacy.

Oh. So we pull the sharecropping routine. It's basically legalized slavery. The south did it for years after the war. Not even minimum wage, but no one knows.

I was thinking more along the lines of the feudal system where the former slaves would be serfs..=P

I resign.

Oh. So we pull the sharecropping routine. It's basically legalized slavery. The south did it for years after the war. Not even minimum wage, but no one knows.

True, though most of the men will eventually be conscripted for the duration of the war.

Basically, for states that want to use blacks as soldiers, the formula is 2 White Soldiers= 1 Black Soldier.

The Union will promise all slaves rights to be Citizens (males over 18 of course) and Farm Jobs, Military Jobs and Factory Jobs

I Join. I'm just angry at some of the things I am seeing. It isn't realistic at all for the CSA to let the slaves go.

No, not realistic, TPF, but it's the only way European nations would get involved in the war, thus starting their own. Otherwise we'd just have a generic Civil War RP.

Yea we know but it builds dramatic tension and plus do you like enslaving African Americans?

I Join. I'm just angry at some of the things I am seeing. It isn't realistic at all for the CSA to let the slaves go.

Thats what i think...

Maybe i should leave too...
Im already involved in a few earth rp's, plus the realism thing whenever that starts...

Yea we know but it builds dramatic tension and plus do you like enslaving African Americans?

Hell Yeah!
lolz... no, but its totally unrealistic the other way...

Ok guys if you really want it to be changed give us some better ideas and me and Corbourne will decide which one is best

Thats what i think...

Maybe i should leave too...
Im already involved in a few earth rp's, plus the realism thing whenever that starts...

I don't think he's leaving, which means you shouldn't either. :D Plus, if you all are just figuring this out now, you didn't read the OP.

And then what, Union blockades and its all over. How boring. Then the Royal Navy are easily tame due to Russia and I's alliance.

Corbourne read your email!!!!

And then what, Union blockades and its all over. How boring. Then the Royal Navy are easily tame due to Russia and I's alliance.

I'm pretty sure the Royal Navy could take the Prussians and Russians, maybe the US, too.

And the blockade makes it hard to win, but the South did nearly achieve its independence even with it in place.

And again, as Tynish said, if you can come up with a more realistic storyline, then feel free to post it, and we'll decide if we're going to use it instead.

Already replied, Tynish.

Um, no they didn't. Whatever I am too tired to argue now.

God your good

Um, no they didn't. Whatever I am too tired to argue now.

Well, a decisive victory at Sharpsburg or Gettysburg could certainly have won the war.

Yes but they didn't this is really getting rocky

Yes

Thank you.

Corbournne;12670459']Well, a decisive victory at Antietam or Gettysburg could certainly have won the war.

Or, alternatively, if the CSA had never invaded the union, they would have won. They fought on the moral high ground of a defensive war, and lost that at antietem. Of course, if some buffoon hadnt have lost the battle plans, then the probably would have won there, huh...

Wow now people are going turning mental....no offense Jk

Or, alternatively, if the CSA had never invaded the union, they would have won. They fought on the moral high ground of a defensive war, and lost that at antietem. Of course, if some buffoon hadnt have lost the battle plans, then the probably would have won there, huh...

Yeah, actually that would've worked even better. Think of what would've happened to public support for the Union if there was another Fredericksburg.

And Tynish, going mental is my speciality. :p

Lol :p

Akward silence.......

Ok me and Corbourne have been talking and have decided that it's best to ask you for an answer.....


We want to know what you think this plot should be and other ideas for this Rp

once we get all your ideas then we will pick the best things and out them togethor into a new Rp

so start telling us wht you think needs to be added and changed

Ok me and Corbourne have been talking and have decided that it's best to ask you for an answer.....


We want to know what you think this plot should be and other ideas for this Rp

once we get all your ideas then we will pick the best things and out them togethor into a new Rp

so start telling us wht you think needs to be added and changed

I think historical with European involvement is best. It will force people like me to build up some industry first rather than OMG CHARGE THE US/CSA WITH 50 000 MEN LANDING IN CANADA!

Not really, but you get what i mean

Ok thats a good one now is that all before we discuss this all

Well, I've always found the no slavery thing a bit strange as really that was the main reason for fighting against the South - I mean, what are they fighting for - surely if both sides got powerful allies they would just say let's be friends and be two seperate America's? The European front is not the problem and has endless possiblities, but the American one less so unless one of the two sides has slavery in my opinion.

Ok well it seems if we go with your idea Honako then it's pretty much just the Civil War with no twist but I don't really mind that so we may just do that

Ok well it seems if we go with your idea Honako then it's pretty much just the Civil War with no twist but I don't really mind that so we may just do that

Ok well it seems if we go with your idea Honako then it's pretty much just the Civil War with no twist but I don't really mind that so we may just do that

Yeah I know, and what I said wasn't an idea, just more of an observation - I want something interesting to happen in this that makes it more than a civil war, if anyone has any ideas other than the current one fine, otherwise we could just go with the orginal idea and let it flow.

Also, is the assembly thread up yet?

Yeah I know, and what I said wasn't an idea, just more of an observation - I want something interesting to happen in this that makes it more than a civil war, if anyone has any ideas other than the current one fine, otherwise we could just go with the orginal idea and let it flow.

Also, is the assembly thread up yet?

The Assembly thread isn't up yet because we are disscussing if we are going to make a new plot or not so give me a twist and i'll make a thread for it

Ok well it seems if we go with your idea Honako then it's pretty much just the Civil War with no twist but I don't really mind that so we may just do that

And this leaves the european nations where exactly?

And this leaves the european nations where exactly?

And that's why this was only a thought not an idea. The thing we have going on now is fine, I don't know why we are changing it unless someone else comes up with something way better. It allows Europe to help America, therefore creating tensions there and...war.

Yer, Tbh Im likeing alot whats going on here allready, why should we have to be compleatly historically accurate anyways?

P.S, how ahould I go about creating my factbook bearing in mind im not actually a US state?

Yer, Tbh Im likeing alot whats going on here allready, why should we have to be compleatly historically accurate anyways?

P.S, how ahould I go about creating my factbook bearing in mind im not actually a US state?

Yeah, that's basically what I was thinking creating this whole thing. I say we either don't change it, or we vote before we do.

Just give your full nation name, leader, government type, population, and military.

Ok Corbourne i'm just not liking my idea of no slavery now it's so unrealistic lets review our choices to make it better then we will post the new one..email me so we can start

Corbournne;12672302']I say we either don't change it, or we vote before we do.


Unrealistic, yes, "so unrealistic," debatable.

And Honako, while the expansion of slavery was one of the primary reasons, it definitely wasn't the only. It was just as much over the federal government's rights to tax the states, with the money from said taxes not even going back to the state that payed them.

Corbourne I don't like this thread we need to start a new one with a better plot ca you email me an idea or just start something for it

Small Fact book

Nation - The austrian empire

Leader - Emperor Franz Joseph I

Population - 77,000,000

Military - 500,000 soldiers organised into 3 armies and 106,000 in the navy. Unfortunatly, this military information was very hard to find because of the era and austrias reorganisation into the austro-hungarian empire a few years later in 1867. I did most of it with wikipedia, a paper, and a pen, and excuse me if any of it is inaccurate, and any constructive criticism is very much welcome!

Corbourne I don't like this thread we need to start a new one with a better plot ca you email me an idea or just start something for it

oh balls...

Corbourne I don't like this thread we need to start a new one with a better plot ca you email me an idea or just start something for it

Corbournne;12672302']I say we either don't change it, or we vote before we do.


Small Fact book

Nation - The austrian empire

Leader - Emperor Franz Joseph I

Population - 77,000,000

Military - 500,000 soldiers organised into 3 armies and 200,000 in the navy. Unfortunatly, this military information was very hard to find because of the era and austrias reorganisation into the austro-hungarian empire a few years later in 1867. I did most of it with wikipedia, a paper, and a pen, and excuse me if any of it is inaccurate, and any constructive criticism is very much welcome!

For our intents and purposes, it looks pretty good!

More in the navy than I would've thought, but, as long as you found it from a respectable source, or Wiki, haha. If you want to go more in detail, you can include facts from around the general time period, doesn't have to exact.

Well alot of it was said to be "naval logistics" and the likes...

Well alot of it was said to be "naval logistics" and the likes...

Ok, 'cuz I know Austria didn't have too many ships, so that probably includes just people who worked at the docks and stuff.

Corbournne;12672411']Ok, 'cuz I know Austria didn't have too many ships, so that probably includes just people who worked at the docks and stuff.

yes, thing is, they are from wiki, but all different pages...

And on your point of including other things from the general time period, prehaps I will soon, but finding all that information was hard enough, I evan had to do stupid things like work out avridges... And I bet some of thats evan wrong...

But just to edit, rereading what i have writtain down, the navy was far smaller, now I make 106 thousand... editing time

I have no idea of the size of my military, so is this a strict realist RP (eg. so could I make my country a mad ditactorship were 3% of the population is in the army, or a peaceful neutral democracy were it's very small - not like I'd want to do that :p). Or could someone tell me where I could find out (wiki just really describes types of military, not numbers).

I have no idea of the size of my military, so is this a strict realist RP (eg. so could I make my country a mad ditactorship were 3% of the population is in the army, or a peaceful neutral democracy were it's very small - not like I'd want to do that :p). Or could someone tell me where I could find out (wiki just really describes types of military, not numbers).

Well, if you could find anything on the Ottoman military around the time, that'd be great. Otherwise, I'll give you a (fairly) free hand.

The only information I know is that their regiments were called ortas. :p

We're playing the governments realistically to start, but I'm not stopping anyone from having a revolution, or even a bloodless coup if they feel so inclined to go through with it.

Well I want to be realistic government wise, history wise, and generally realistic military wise - but if I can't find much info as to numbers on the last one, I'll keep there units but make up some number - obviously not too over the top :p

Well I want to be realistic government wise, history wise, and generally realistic military wise - but if I can't find much info as to numbers on the last one, I'll keep there units but make up some number - obviously not too over the top :p

The Ottomans at the time were still strong. I can only estimate, but I would guess at around 1 million. This would include navy also though. So some 750 000 army and 250 000 navy.

If it is possible, may I claim New York?

hmmm i guess i'll do that to...

Small Fact book

Nation - The Spanish Empire/Kingdom of Spain

Leader - Queen Isabella II

Population -

Military - 140,000 Army, navy info hard to find anything before 1863 or so...

Bump why not?

New members? New rules? assembely thread? Guys?

Yes I just wanted to inform you all I may be away for a few days I would say 3 max..I'm having to undergo surgery and so for a day or two I will be in the hospital i doubt it will be 3 days but i dunno just wanted to let everyone know I wasn't dropping out or anything like that

!!!Attention!!!


Due to the slow progresivness of this Rp I have chosen to cloise it and leave it to die

but the idea won't I will open a new one in the next couple days so don't be hurt...


Ok now get on with your miserable lives!!

I can't even begin to take a guess at the size of the British army and the Royal Navy. Just wikied it, and I can't find anything.

Yea I know it's hard but the next one will be better...

writing it now :D

I trust I will get the position of Great Britian back if I desire it?

I can't even begin to take a guess at the size of the British army and the Royal Navy. Just wikied it, and I can't find anything.

Really? I would of thought there would be quite a bit of info on them.

Well, I hope this does kick off or your new version starts soon - it was shaping up to be quite interesting, and considering the members in it where quite active it could of lasted.

Just so everyone knows, as Mod, I'm not prepared to close it. So anyone who's still game, I'm up for it. If you can't find facts from exactly 1860, go ahead and use those that are "close enough."

And Zelron, you can have New York, or the whole US if you want.

Yer Im definatly still here! but unfortunatly nobody else will be :(

Missouri! thats where im from, i want to be missouri