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#Government Official Statement#

At 1:00AM today there was a Military Coup d ´Etat in FreeAngola,the former dictator Specter has been removed from Office and from now on does not play a part on FreeAngola Government decisions,FreeAngola´s provisionary new leader is the 5 Star General Eduardo Silva,he wishes to apologize for the tension created by the former dictator specifically regarding the OBSAT(Vetaka) vs MCSATN case,and he also wishes to apologize to Vetalia for creating a war environment inside the COMECON reunion,the General has stated that he wants peace with Vetalia and that he is going to shut down the MCSATN System as a token of good will,with no further adue

Signed,

General Eduardo Silva

#Government Official Statement#

At 1:00AM today there was a Military Coup d ´Etat in FreeAngola,the former dictator Specter has been removed from Office and from now on does not play a part on FreeAngola Government decisions,FreeAngola´s provisionary new leader is the 5 Star General Eduardo Silva,he wishes to apologize for the tension created by the former dictator specifically regarding the OBSAT(Vetaka) vs MCSATN case,and he also wishes to apologize to Vetalia for creating a war environment inside the COMECON reunion,the General has stated that he wants peace with Vetalia and that he is going to shut down the MCSATN System as a token of good will,with no further adue

Signed,

General Eduardo Silva

finally some sense. I fear it may be too late, as some people may be too angry. So, you will probably still be invaded.

We will not retaliate,to prove that we mean it

Signed

General Eduardo Silva

Unless of course you take advantage of this situation and really invade us

If your nation has truly changed, I feel it would be a good idea to hold a meeting and allow all nations damaged in this situation to patch over their differences and begin a new era in international relations. Vetalia, for one, is willing to bury the hatchet of our differences and begin a new era in our relations. However, as always we will be vigilant against treachery.

Regards,
Praetor Vladimir Chernomyrdin

FreeAngola is willing to donate military equipment and military units if you wish to help you in your war against Calendonia

Signed

General Eduardo Silva

Well, well I am not part of any PMT allaince, so I can still invade you.

General Silva, assistance will not be necessary at this point. However, we appreciate your commitment to international aid and we will be sure to call on you when the time comes.

Well, well I am not part of any PMT allaince, so I can still invade you.

Then i will be forced to put the MCSATN System back online,if you want to destroy the peace agreements its with you,no military unit of yours shall pass through our MCSATN System,please consider that

Thank You

Signed

General Eduardo Silva

Then i will be forced to put the MCSATN System back online,if you want to destroy the peace agreements its with you,no military unit of yours shall pass through our MCSATN System,please consider that

Thank You

Signed

General Eduardo Silva

OOC: Some will get through. Infact most will, because the more things you send, the more get through. Also, I would Ignore it if you claimed 100% hit rate, 100% of the time.

Don´t forget that we have Patriot and other kinds of Missile Interception Systems like our Supersonic Interceptors so the percentage of missiles that will get through is so smal that it wont even make a dent

Even if i have to put 150.000.000 Soldiers firing with their rifles against your missiles

And i dont believe you have that much missiles

OOC: who said anything about missiles? I was talking about soilders.

Even if i have to put 150.000.000 Soldiers firing with their rifles against your missiles

OOC: If you had that many soilders, how in the hell would they track a misisle going atleast mach 20.(that means, beofre you hear them, they have hit you.)

Even better i will destroy them with my MCSATN System and the remaining will be destroyed by my Army

Even better i will destroy them with my MCSATN System and the remaining will be destroyed by my Army

OOC: I had 20,000 120 megaton nuclear warheads, and missiles. The largest nuke ever tested, was only 50 megatons, and that was already 25,000 times more powerful than the one just in WW2. I could probably duouble that number now.

OOC: If you had that many soilders, how in the hell would they track a misisle going atleast mach 20.(that means, beofre you hear them, they have hit you.)

They are constantly firing and reloading even before you launch the missiles

They are constantly firing and reloading even before you launch the missiles

OOC: All ICBMs hit you from orbit, you cannot destroy them with soilders!

OOC: I have a better idea, how about one of my transports from my FT nation crashes in FreeAngola? Tha would mean that 20,000 of my best men, and several hundred tanks, and ACPs would be ready to attack your nation.

As i said my MCSATN will destroy your ICBM´s that was the purpose it was built for

OOC: How would you stop a 50 meter diameter tungsten sphere falling onto one of your military facilities at orbital velocities? Normal missiles wouldn't do anything at all to it.

OOC: FreeAngola, the fact is, no matter how effective, efficient and powerful a device is, it couldn't completely repel a full-scale bombardment of THAT magnitude. Even if only one missile got through (especially if it was a MIRV type ICBM), that would be enough to do some seriously massive damage. Unless you can come up with a rational, logical way to explain how your 'MCSATN' can stop every single ICBM launched at your nation, if 1010102 decided to nuke your ass, you would be stuffed, even with the MCSATN.

I have enough nuclear fire power to attack his country too and i have enough anti aircraft/missile defense systems,and supersonic interceptors to successfully interrcept all missiles launched by him

I have enough nuclear fire power to attack his country too and i have enough anti aircraft/missile defense systems,and supersonic interceptors to successfully interrcept all missiles launched by him

I'm sorry but a first strike with over 20,000 missiles would turn your county to a plate of nuclear glass. Get over it.

OOC: How would you stop a 50 meter diameter tungsten sphere falling onto one of your military facilities at orbital velocities? Normal missiles wouldn't do anything at all to it.

How would you stop one falling on yours?

How would you stop one falling on yours?

Well the fact that you don't have anything that can drop 50 meter tungsten ball from orbit, let alone a 10 meter one.

In fact i do have a Space shuttle and a space station

In fact i do have a Space shuttle and a space station

You don't, however, have the ability to move and mine asteroids, which is how I even am able to do such a thing in the first place. The United States in real life, which is larger than you are, has only vague plans towards mining and moving asteroids.

OCC: I will back up any invasion against him.

OCC: I will back up any invasion against him.

Sadly, so will I.

Even if i have to put 150.000.000 Soldiers firing with their rifles against your missiles

OOC:
Umm. how can you have 150 Million Soldiers when your nation is only 255 Million people? Didn't we go over this before?

If you have that many people, with how your military budget is. They'd be using slingshots and BB Guns instead of actual weapons. Your combined budgets (entire gdp) cannot even support an army of 150 soldiers with a population of 255 Million people. It's just not feesable, even in FT for god sakes. Let alone if you have that many people in your military, you wouldn't have enough money to maintain an ICBM Arsenal. They'd be corroded and fall apart as soon as they were launched.

Your nation would pritty much be driven back to the stone age because there is not enough monies available for what you are saying you have.

OCC: I will back up any invasion against him.

OOC: I'm going to watch a little bit more before I make some kind of commitment like that.

OOC: FreeAngola, a 100% success rate is impossible. No country would be able to do that, it simply requires too much. And fending off 20,000 missiles is a lot harder than it thinks. If you just have soldiers firing at random in the general direction it'll be coming from, that won't do jack squat. A bullet isn't about to stop a missile.

OOC:
Umm. how can you have 150 Million Soldiers when your nation is only 255 Million people? Didn't we go over this before?

If you have that many people, with how your military budget is. They'd be using slingshots and BB Guns instead of actual weapons. Your combined budgets (entire gdp) cannot even support an army of 150 soldiers with a population of 255 Million people. It's just not feesable, even in FT for god sakes. Let alone if you have that many people in your military, you wouldn't have enough money to maintain an ICBM Arsenal. They'd be corroded and fall apart as soon as they were launched.

Your nation would pritty much be driven back to the stone age because there is not enough monies available for what you are saying you have.

I have 150 million soldiers.

Thread Closed

OOC:
Umm. how can you have 150 Million Soldiers when your nation is only 255 Million people? Didn't we go over this before?

If you have that many people, with how your military budget is. They'd be using slingshots and BB Guns instead of actual weapons. Your combined budgets (entire gdp) cannot even support an army of 150 soldiers with a population of 255 Million people. It's just not feesable, even in FT for god sakes. Let alone if you have that many people in your military, you wouldn't have enough money to maintain an ICBM Arsenal. They'd be corroded and fall apart as soon as they were launched.

Your nation would pritty much be driven back to the stone age because there is not enough monies available for what you are saying you have.

If you had seen my military equipment purchases you wouldnt be saying that

If you had seen my military equipment purchases you wouldnt be saying that

Read the stickies.

If you had seen my military equipment purchases you wouldnt be saying that

If you buy a hundred AK-47s that doesn't mean you automatically buy a hundred men to use them. If you've got nearly 50% of your population in the army, not counting logistics, then that means pretty much all there is on the home front is little kids and old people, and neither of those groups are able to produce the supplies an army of 150 million would need.

OOC:
I have 150 million soldiers.

Yes but your an '05 nation...he's not even 3 months old.

If you had seen my military equipment purchases you wouldnt be saying that

Eve if you bought that military equipment. To maintain the nuclear arsenal you "claim" to have, would cost about 10 times your military and Law And Order budgets PER YEAR. If you joined all your budgets together it would cost about 3 times your entire budgets per year to have a military that size. Your nation would implode upon itself with civil war and massive home-grown terrorist attacks from disgruntled civilians who get nearly zilch in pay and shitty government supported programs (of which there would be NONE). You'd have no police or fire department. Your nation would pritty much go into total anarchy and chaos.

Thus, in conclusion, you cannot RP your nation as having that much of a military. It's not feesable.

OOC:


Yes but your an '05 nation...he's not even 3 months old.



Eve if you bought that military equipment. To maintain the nuclear arsenal you "claim" to have, would cost about 10 times your military and Law And Order budgets PER YEAR. If you joined all your budgets together it would cost about 3 times your entire budgets per year to have a military that size. Your nation would implode upon itself with civil war and massive home-grown terrorist attacks from disgruntled civilians who get nearly zilch in pay and shitty government supported programs (of which there would be NONE). You'd have no police or fire department. Your nation would pritty much go into total anarchy and chaos.

Thus, in conclusion, you cannot RP your nation as having that much of a military. It's not feesable.

QFT

What you can do is like what Allanea does, and what I do; we RP huge gun cultures so our citizens, for the most part, own firearms. They can contribute to defense if the nation is invaded, and even if occupied the invader's problems aren't over, but there is no way in hell I would send 100+ million people off to invade some other nation.

You should restrict your active military to 1% of your population, (~2.5 million) and reserves to 4% (~10 million) and any invasion using more than about 1/4 of your active military would leave your homefront vulnerable. Armed civilians might be able to shoot enemy infantry, Jeeps, and low-flying helos, but they generally lack the gear to defeat tanks, stealth bombers, ICBM's, etc.

Free Angola,

The Armed Republic of Mathism respects you but will back 1010102. But be warned, I will deploy 14510 nukes ( 12000 SLBMs and 2510 ICBMs). I will also warn you to comply because your MCSTAN isn't going to save you. Even if all the nukes were destroyed. There will be a radioactive fallout that will kill your people. So I would encourage you to back down and I will not attack.

Mathism Ministry of Defence

Free Angola,

The Armed Republic of Mathism respects you but will back 1010102. But be warned, I will deploy 14510 nukes ( 12000 SLBMs and 2510 ICBMs). I will also warn you to comply because your MCSTAN isn't going to save you. Even if all the nukes were destroyed. There will be a radioactive fallout that will kill your people. So I would encourage you to back down and I will not attack.

Mathism Ministry of Defence

You joined last month, and you have that many missiles? You are just as bad as he is.

Free Angola,

The Armed Republic of Mathism respects you but will back 1010102. But be warned, I will deploy 14510 nukes ( 12000 SLBMs and 2510 ICBMs). I will also warn you to comply because your MCSTAN isn't going to save you. Even if all the nukes were destroyed. There will be a radioactive fallout that will kill your people. So I would encourage you to back down and I will not attack.

Mathism Ministry of Defence

You joined last month, and you have that many missiles? You are just as bad as he is.

OOC:
I could say I have that much....;)

Free Angola,

The Armed Republic of Mathism respects you but will back 1010102. But be warned, I will deploy 14510 nukes ( 12000 SLBMs and 2510 ICBMs). I will also warn you to comply because your MCSTAN isn't going to save you. Even if all the nukes were destroyed. There will be a radioactive fallout that will kill your people. So I would encourage you to back down and I will not attack.

Mathism Ministry of DefenceYou joined last month, and you have that many missiles? You are just as bad as he is.
OOC:
I could say I have that much....;)

Yay quote tree!

OOC: Why is it everyone is always so super-hyped up about nukes? Just invade with ground-pounders and make that country part of yours! So much more effective in the long term! And as for you, FreeAngola, I've had enough of your blatant disregard for our established RP. Therefore, I'm going to try out the tactic above...on you.

IC:


http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/dentara.jpg
Official Statement From The Holy Empire Of Dentara

The government of Dentara hereby declares that it has had enough with the so-called 'nation' known as FreeAngola. The blatant and obvious lies about military strength, technologies and nuclear capabilities will no longer be tolerated. As of this moment, you may consider yourself at WAR with the nation of Dentara.

Should any other nations wish to join us in this crusade to remove an obviously foolish and unstable government from power, they are free to join us, and following the war's completion, we can divide up the remaining land between us. In particular, we invite the nation of Vetaka, which was insulted so highly by FreeAngola's propaganda concerning their 'MCSATN', to join us.

As of this moment, the Dentara 3rd and 4th Armies, the Dentara 3rd and 5th Fleets and the Dentara 4th Air Force are being mobilised against FreeAngola. Furthermore, we will be mobilising the Dentara 1st & 2nd Air Forces in the nation itself, to guard against any possible strikes from FreeAngola. To all other nations who watch this, know that the only reason we do this is to ensure that, in the long term, there is a greater chance for peace to reign in the long term.

However, we are also a fair people, and thus, we offer this option to the nation of FreeAngola. If you wish to avoid being completed and utterly annihilated and having your lands placed under the Dentaran banner, then you will immediately cease ALL falsified reports concerning military strengths, and pay to Vetaka the sum of $500,000,000 (Five hundred million FreeAngolan Solaris) in reparation for the highly insulting propaganda of the fictional 'MCSATN' system. Only once these two conditions have been fulfilled will Dentara stand down from our position.

In conclusion, I say this: May God have mercy upon your 'nation', for we will not.

Signed,
The Most Holy Emperor Of Dentara, Aramius I.

OOC (again): FreeAngola, just so you know, I will be ignoring any god-mod posts you make, like, for instance, that crap about 150 million soldiers, or any 'massive nuclear strikes' against my country. Consider this your wake-up call into the world of actual, realistic RP.

OOC: I'm still intrigued as to how a nation with a couple trillion dollar economy could maintain a nuclear arsenal half the size of mine even though my economy's 178 times larger than theirs.

We really need an easy to find sticky on the economics of defense spending and the politics of nuclear war. Barring some kind of unique national aspect, not even the most repressive dictatorship will be able to sacrifice their nation in a war; the high command are going to oust the person who tries it and they're going to keep themselves alive at all costs. They'll be able to pull of a retaliatory or limited strike, but they're not going to let Dr. Strangelove do whatever he wants.

I ought to do it some time if I could find some decent estimates on the maintenance costs of nuclear arsenals. Any nation that spends more than maybe 10% of GDP on defense during peacetime is going to suffer economic damage, and anyone that spends more than maybe 15% will eventually just collapse. Of course, spending 10-15% still means you're going to be stagnant economically and won't be able to really fight an arms race.

OOC: Very good question there Vetalia. Hell, my nation has a massive Defence budget, and yet I've only got a few ICBMs with small, 10 megaton warheads (more WILL come). I guess it can be put down to this simple explanation; he doesn't understand how to realistically RP in NationStates.

Oh, and just FYI, my nation's Defence budget is 43% of my GDP. What was that you were saying about economic collapse?

For a laugh, look up my nation on http://nsdossier.texasregion.net/main.aspx.

And I can explain how I get away with it, too!

OOC: I'm rather interested. Of course, my first guess is a ton of natural resources, but it could be a lot of things depending on your timeframe. I spend about 5.8% now, but I'd like to keep it more around 4-5% during peacetime.

OOC: I've got a very simple explanation, actually. My nation is a highly patriotic, highly militarised civilisation that lives by the motto 'Peace through Power.' Basically, EVERYTHING in my society concerns the military. That means education budget is unnecessary, as the military shoulders that responsibility. Welfare is termed 'Past Service Repayment Scheme' as EVERY citizen, apart from people incapable of doing so, has been in the military. I'd explain further, but I gotta go, so see yas, and join the war if you want!

OOC: Oh, so the military is the government. That makes a lot more sense. Of course, you'd still suffer problems from the sheer weight of bureaucracy, but your economy could still grow and remain stable. It would probably be better to compare what chunk of your defense is spent on the actual armed forces relative to the other services.

And I've got to go to. Time to go to sleep.