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Community for Common Economic and Strategic Development

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*Bangs gavel*. This meeting of the Community for Common Economic and Strategic Development will now come to order, interim chairman Sergei Antropov presiding. The first order of the meeting will be the allocation of votes in the general assembly. The following system is presently in effect:

Votes will be assigned according to the percentage of a nation's population in the COMECON; a nation with 4 billion people, with a gross COMECON population of approximately 40 billion, makes up 10% of the organization's population and so will receive 10 votes. All nations with less than 1% of the population will recieve one vote since this is the minimum for any member state.

Under this scheme, votes will be allocated in this manner:

Praetonia 17
Lachenburg 13
Maraque 13
Vetalia 12
Pan-Arab Barronia 12
Googlewoop 11
Leocardia 8
Granate 4
Shakal 3
Dai Yuddha Ossyria 3
Wagdog 2
Grantes 2
Kahanistan 2
Vetaka 2
Aurum Domus 2
Arab-Canada 1
Kampfers 1
Marckov 1
Lifesblood 1
New Manth 1

Any and all changes to this system can be proposed at this time, along with any other issues nations feel need to be addressed. We will also elect a new chairman nation for the COMECON at this time. All interested nations declare their candidacy in this thread and we will vote in the COMECON elections thread that will be posted Tuesday.

This meeting will be open until Monday at 11:59 PM (EST), after which it will be adjourned. If necessary, the security council will also convene in the next few days.

I have received word that the Vetakan situation is under their control. We will monitor it closely, but no action will be taken at this time.

Best wishes,
Sergei Antropov, interim chairman, COMECON

OOC: I will not be at home for a good part of the day tomorrow; I should probably be on by around 5 or 6, and maybe a little in the morning, but for most of the afternoon I'll be offline.

However, I will check this thread as soon as I'm on, so propose any issues or ideas and I'll respond to them.

OoC: I know I'm biased because my Nation is small, but I think the differences between the smaller and larger Nations is too big to effectively allow the smaller Nations to have a voice.

I agree that Nations which contribute more should perhaps have a larger say, but to the extent that Praetonia's votes alone constitute more than the votes of the lower 50% of COMECON combined is maybe pushing things beyond a reasonable extent.

As a compromise I think that the system could basically be quite effective, but I think the maximum votes a Nation should get should be 10 and the minimum 2.

This means all Nations can actually effect the organisation, while allowing the larger Nations to retain a superior number of votes to the Nations which contribute less.

I'd like to hear everybodys thoughts on the matter.

The Crown Commonwealth will vote against any motion pertaining to the deployment of military force to the Haven region.

The Crown Commonwealth will vote against any motion pertaining to the deployment of military force to the Haven region.

The Republican Monarchy seconds this. It has been stated multiple times by the Havenic nations and Vetaka herself that no UFAN or COMECON-SD intervention is warranted. This is a fight between the Clandonians and the Vetakans.

OOC: I actually don't need to leave for another hour.

To Lifesblood: I see what you mean. I think that we may need to increase the number of minimum votes to bring more parity between the largest nations and the smaller ones. If all of the small nations don't want something, they should be able to have at least some power to defeat it.

To Praetonia: I've spoken to Vetaka and we will not take any action against Haven, since they have assured us it is an intra-organizational conflict that is strictly between them and Clandonia. I'm not going to propose helping them, but if anyone does I will abstain from the vote.

So I presume first on the agenda is electing a permanent chairman. Who's in the running?

At present, the only candidate up for election is the interim chairman from Vetalia.

Lachenburgian plenipotentiary to the summit, Jean-Baptiste de Nompère, remained silent throughout the proceedings, his assembled cadre of secretaries and translators presenting him with updates as to the changing situation in the grand chamber before him. A keen observer of subtle adversity, the middle-aged envoy took his time in the profiling of each nation represented, whether through daily briefings by his staff or by the simple examination of those parties who took the floor, curious to understand and even more anxious to predict how such delegates and their governments would move to shape the COMECON in its earliest moments.

Although ordered to take no action by the ministère des Affaires étrangères in Auxerre, Nompère would not hesitate to speak his mind in the wake of radical political manuevers. After all, the Grand Duchy had entered the organization as a means to escape the machinations of modern warfare. Thus, for the sake of national pride and political harmony, the status quo would be maintained.

Wolabu Kitanga, Undersecretary of Foreign Affairs for COMECON, sat down at his seat. A tall African-featured man in his late 40's with a distinguished bearing, Dr. Kitanga spoke in a commanding tone to the delegates.

"While the Government of Kahanistan is opposed to Clandonian military aggression, and equally opposed to it being annexed into some other empire, we do believe that persuasive measures such as trade restrictions be emplaced to urge them to the negotiation table."

As the council began to assemble, Interim Chairman Antropov took the podium. His thick West Vetalian accent suggested that he came from one of the wealthy families of the Old Empire, maybe even older than that.

"We welcome the delegates of the COMECON to our first general meeting. The first issue before the council will be the election of the first permanent chairman. All interested nations should submit their intention to run for the position at this time." Surveying the still fairly empty meeting hall, he walked from the podium and back to the table for the Vetalian delegation. Now, they simply sat and waited for the rest of the attendees to arrive and begin the meeting.

Issues before the COMECON

1. Nominating candidates to elect the first permanent chairman- (nominate candidates in this thread, elections will occur in another thread.)

2. Requests for aid from the general fund- (post requests for aid now)

3. Reforming the voting system of the COMECON:

The nation of Lifesblood wishes to adjust the voting system to set a minimum of 2 votes and a maximum of 10 votes for any nation, with voting rights based on population.

4. Economic sanctions against Clandonia

The nation of Kahanistan wishes to discuss imposing economic sanctions to persuade Clandonia to cease its aggression against Vetaka and negotiate terms to end the war.

5. Voting on admitting new members to the COMECON, if any new applications come in
- Honako wishes to join

6. Adding a vote of no confidence provision to allow the council to remove the chairman of the COMECON and mandate elections for a new one

OoC: In relation to the position of Chairman, should we first try and define what the Chairman's powers and responsibilities are?

Also, considering the position is permanant, should there be some kind of 'motion of no confidence' option available, and if the motion gets enough support we have to select a new Chairman? Just incase some unforseen circumstance occurs.

Don't need to make a motion of this or anything or we'll get bogged-down, just good to know where we stand.

As the council began to assemble, Interim Chairman Antropov took the podium. His thick West Vetalian accent suggested that he came from one of the wealthy families of the Old Empire, maybe even older than that.

"We welcome the delegates of the COMECON to our first general meeting. The first issue before the council will be the election of the first permanent chairman. All interested nations should submit their intention to run for the position at this time." Surveying the still fairly empty meeting hall, he walked from the podium and back to the table for the Vetalian delegation. Now, they simply sat and waited for the rest of the attendees to arrive and begin the meeting.
Undersecretary of State for COMECON-SD Affairs Marie Delane had finally arrived, only learning of her posting the prior night; but thankfully had known about the alliance and supported the idea of Wagdog's membership completely. Currently, she too simply sat and waited, since her nation might not have the influence needed for such a prominent role in this alliance...

OOC: Right now, the chairman is responsible for convening the organization to meet and speaking for the COMECON in other threads, especially when a member state is threatened. They also keep track of issues before the government and submit nations to the council for approval (the COMECON is no longer accepting direct applications; new nations have to be approved as members at general meetings0.

I'm sort of torn between term limits (for example, one week of RL time or a certain number of meetings) and a permanent position with a no-confidence system of changing the leadership.

OOC: Right now, the chairman is responsible for convening the organization to meet and speaking for the COMECON in other threads, especially when a member state is threatened. They also keep track of issues before the government and submit nations to the council for approval (the COMECON is no longer accepting direct applications; new nations have to be approved as members at general meetings0.

I'm sort of torn between term limits (for example, one week of RL time or a certain number of meetings) and a permanent position with a no-confidence system of changing the leadership.
OOC: I prefer no-confidence myself; more flexible, and it allows for arguments to become known and resolved honestly. Nor would there be need for any campaign pressure to make for poor policy on a Chariman's part either...

OoC: I know I'm biased because my Nation is small, but I think the differences between the smaller and larger Nations is too big to effectively allow the smaller Nations to have a voice.

I agree that Nations which contribute more should perhaps have a larger say, but to the extent that Praetonia's votes alone constitute more than the votes of the lower 50% of COMECON combined is maybe pushing things beyond a reasonable extent.

As a compromise I think that the system could basically be quite effective, but I think the maximum votes a Nation should get should be 10 and the minimum 2.

This means all Nations can actually effect the organisation, while allowing the larger Nations to retain a superior number of votes to the Nations which contribute less.

I'd like to hear everybodys thoughts on the matter.

Kampfers would like to second this motion

OOC: Okay. Somebody propose that change and I'll add it to the list.

IC:

The nation of Honako wants to join the COMECON. Member states will vote on whether or not to accept them at this time.

Kampfers wishes to vote in favor of Honako's membership.

OoC:

OOC: I prefer no-confidence myself; more flexible, and it allows for arguments to become known and resolved honestly. Nor would there be need for any campaign pressure to make for poor policy on a Chariman's part either...

I agree.

I think perhaps though, once every RL year COMECON should convene to discuss the position of Chairman. While they probably won't decide for a new one, I don't imagine there'd even be a vote on it, I think it's important that there's a forum for discussion on the issue of having a new Chairman without the implied negativity that a 'motion of no confidence' would generate.

What do you think?

Kampfers would like to second this motion

Thanks man, I appreciate it.

OOC: Kampfers, your vote is noted. I will post updates to the votes for the issues as they come in. Right now, I'm keeping track of them on a text file to minimize the amount of clutter in the thread.

Vetalia also votes yes to admit Honko to the COMECON.

"Kahanistan is opposed until such time as the government of Honako improves its human rights record. Currently it has outlawed political expression and suffers from severe shortcomings in civil freedoms. We have no desire to be obliged to defend their regime in battle."

Dr. Kitanga continued. "We do support the no-confidence system."

Kampfers will also vote in favor of the no confidence system, and would like to add incativity to one of the causes for no-confidence.

"As of this time, the Grand Duchy of Lachenburg, upon further review of said candidate, votes 'nay' in regards to petition for entry into the COMECON. As an organization that sponsors free trade and responsible government, it would be a violation of the core principles of the Community to admit a Nation-state, which has, up to this date, actively endorsed methods of Totalitarian governance over its citizens. Lest this position be altered in time and more egalitarian methods of administration be introduced, the Grand Duchy shall discuss the possibility of altering such judgment. Otherwise, we remain firm in our opposition of the proposal at hand."

Taking their seats once again, Monsieur Nompère and his translator prepared for the other delegates' replies.

OOC:Vetalia,i´m back,if any military support is needed FreeAngola is ready to assist you,and check my purchases thread

Thank You

Kampfers wishes to vote in favor of Honako's membership.

OOC: Kampfers, your vote is noted. I will post updates to the votes for the issues as they come in. Right now, I'm keeping track of them on a text file to minimize the amount of clutter in the thread.

Vetalia also votes yes to admit Honko to the COMECON.

"Kahanistan is opposed until such time as the government of Honako improves its human rights record. Currently it has outlawed political expression and suffers from severe shortcomings in civil freedoms. We have no desire to be obliged to defend their regime in battle."

Dr. Kitanga continued. "We do support the no-confidence system."

Kampfers will also vote in favor of the no confidence system, and would like to add incativity to one of the causes for no-confidence.

"As of this time, the Grand Duchy of Lachenburg, upon further review of said candidate, votes 'nay' in regards to petition for entry into the COMECON. As an organization that sponsors free trade and responsible government, it would be a violation of the core principles of the Community to admit a Nation-state, which has, up to this date, actively endorsed methods of Totalitarian governance over its citizens. Lest this position be altered in time and more egalitarian methods of administration be introduced, the Grand Duchy shall discuss the possibility of altering such judgment. Otherwise, we remain firm in our opposition of the proposal at hand."

Taking their seats once again, Monsieur Nompère and his translator prepared for the other delegates' replies.
OOC: Kampf, I'll be posting in Blackhelm's thread too soon. Mainly a tag, but also intel preparation for when he does something I can call him on. Don't worry, I've got you somehow either way.;) Also, Praetonia, you should have a TG soon so keep alert; thanks.

IC
We vote in favor of the no-confidence system as proposed, and in favor of Honako's membership besides. We would like more detail to be provided as to what sorts of violations give rise to our Kahanistani and Lachenburger peers. What specifically gives rise to such grave charges as 'totalitarianism'? Be mindful that we do not feel democratic versus dictatorial chest-beating is ever a good path for an alliance of mutual interests to start down, so we ask that this remain on the facts please.

Lachenburg, your vote has been recorded and the vote now stands at 13 votes yes and 13 votes no. If neither side has a majority vote, Honko's application will be denied.

In addition, we would like to submit the nation of Mauvasia for entry. As a nation with a very strong economy, large population, and abundant personal and political freedoms, we feel it would be a good choice to allow entry in to the organization. The vote tally for Mauvasia is currently 12 votes yes, 0 votes no.

In addition, the nation of FreeAngola has requested membership in the COMECON. Although this nation has a somewhat mixed past, we are cultivating it as our client state and strategic ally among the young states of this world, and we can help push it towards a more democratic and free market society through our negotiations.

Updated voting data:

1. Nominating candidates to elect the first permanent chairman- (nominate candidates in this thread, elections will occur in another thread.)

-Sergei Antropov, Vetalia

2. Requests for aid from the general fund- (post requests for aid now)

-No requests

3. Reforming the voting system of the COMECON:

The nation of Lifesblood wishes to adjust the voting system to set a minimum of 2 votes and a maximum of 10 votes for any nation, with voting rights based on population.

Yes- 15
No- 21
Abstain- 40

4. Economic sanctions against Clandonia

The nation of Kahanistan wishes to discuss imposing economic sanctions to persuade Clandonia to cease its aggression against Vetaka and negotiate terms to end the war.

Yes- 15
No- 19
Abstain-16

5. Voting on admitting new members to the COMECON, if any new applications come in
- Honako
Yes- 53
No- 26
Abstain-2
- Mauvasia
Yes- 76
No- 0
Abstain-2
-FreeAngola
Yes-16
No-35
Abstain-27

-Droskianishk
Yes-74
No-0
Abstain-14

6. Adding a vote of no confidence provision to allow the council to remove the chairman of the COMECON and mandate elections for a new one.

Yes- 70
No-0

7. Motion to change issue 4 from economic to diplomatic sanctions:

Yes-16
No-0

OOC: Since the no-confidence provision and the role of the chairman are still being decided, once this issue passes we'll discuss specifics at the next meeting. All interested people are advised to bring their ideas to the thread. I think it will probably be from Saturday to Monday of next week at the same time.

OOC: Is it too late to join COMECON-SD

OOC: No. Just post in the signup thread and we'll put you on the ballot. If you get a majority vote yes, you're in.

OOC: Ok let me find that post :)

OOC: Ok I posted

OOC: You're on the ballot. All things equal, you should be a member by monday.

The Maraquean delegation entered the chamber causing a slight disruption because of the sheer size of the delegation itself; 15 extremely formal and wealthy looking men and women of various ethnicities walked briskly down to their seating, followed by almost ghost-like armor-clad security personnel.

The speaker of the group, Kahtana Shorkani, a fairly dark-skinned man of noticeably Maraquean descent stood up when the room fell silent.

"Ahem..." the man begun. "I am deeply sorry for our... 'disruption'" the man said, then continued; "I have just been briefed on the proposals currently at vote and will now voice our response to them all."

"For permanent chairman of COMECON-SD, we vote for our Vetalian friend, Sergei Antropov, for we believe he is doing a perfectly acceptable job as interim chairman of this organization.

Regarding the reformation of the voting system proposed by the Lifesblood delegation, we vote yea.

Our vote regarding the admittance of Honako to COMECON-SD, we vote nay.

Our vote regarding the admittance of Mauvasia to COMECON-SD, we vote yea.

Our vote regarding the admittance of FreeAngola to COMECON-SD, we abstain.

Our vote regarding the admittance of Droskianishk to COMECON-SD, we also abstain.

Regarding the vote of no confidence provision, we vote yea."

After the Maraqueans spoke, they sat down silently.

"Your votes have been duly noted, Mr. Shorkani, and we thank you, your delegates, and the nation of Maraque for their participation in the first meeting of the COMECON" Antropov's accent made unusual stresses on the syllables of the word comecon, pronouncing it as "co-mecon", a fact which would have been highly amusing were the organization's acronym in Vetalian rather than English. Whether or not he had played up his accent for that purpose was unknown, but subtle smiling from the Vetalian delegation suggested it was another sign of their unusual sense of humor.

Bump for members to vote.

The New Manthian ambassador enters the meeting, accompanied by only two security personnel - a small political statement, that New Manth is confident in the security of the united alliance. The ambassador clears his throat.

"Apologies for the late arrival. Military circumstances forced a small delay of my flight. Now on to the business at hand, if I may?

1. On the election of a chairman, we will delay our vote in case any more candidates are planning to make themselves known.

2. At this time we have no requests. We will defer further consideration until a later meeting.

3. We support the voting reform proposed by Lifesblood.

4. We support economic sanctions against Clandonia. If Vetaka is to be our ally,"

The ambassador chuckles slightly. Funny how things change - not too long ago New Manth and Vetaka had been on the brink of war. There is also something slightly humorous about imposing an embargo to support a nation which had touched off a war... by refusing to recognize the legitimacy of a similar embargo.

"...then we must give them what support we can. If military support is out of the question, then economic support would seem to be the next-best route.

5. We support the applications of Honakon, Droskianishk and Mauvasia. We vote nay on the application of FreeAngola.

6. We support the no confidence procedure."

1. Nominating candidates to elect the first permanent chairman- (nominate candidates in this thread, elections will occur in another thread.)

The Crown Commonwealth abstains as no opposition candidates have been put forward, and the vote appears to have begun during the application period.

2. Requests for aid from the general fund- (post requests for aid now)

N/A

3. Reforming the voting system of the COMECON:

The nation of Lifesblood wishes to adjust the voting system to set a minimum of 2 votes and a maximum of 10 votes for any nation, with voting rights based on population.

The Crown Commonwealth votes nay, on the basis that this would undermine the representative nature of the COMECON.

4. Economic sanctions against Clandonia

The nation of Kahanistan wishes to discuss imposing economic sanctions to persuade Clandonia to cease its aggression against Vetaka and negotiate terms to end the war.

The Crown Commonwealth votes nay, and does not recognise the COMECON's alleged ability to compel members to impose trade sanctions against third parties.

5. Voting on admitting new members to the COMECON, if any new applications come in

- Honako

The Crown Commonwealth votes aye.

- Mauvasia

The Crown Commonwealth votes aye.

-FreeAngola

The Crown Commonwealth votes nay.

-Droskianishk

The Crown Commonwealth votes aye.

6. Adding a vote of no confidence provision to allow the council to remove the chairman of the COMECON and mandate elections for a new one.

The Crown Commonwealth votes aye.

1. Nominating candidates to elect the first permanent chairman- (nominate candidates in this thread, elections will occur in another thread.)

The Republican Monarchy Abstains

2. Requests for aid from the general fund- (post requests for aid now)

N/A

3. Reforming the voting system of the COMECON:

The nation of Lifesblood wishes to adjust the voting system to set a minimum of 2 votes and a maximum of 10 votes for any nation, with voting rights based on population.

The Republican Monarchy Abstains


4. Economic sanctions against Clandonia

The nation of Kahanistan wishes to discuss imposing economic sanctions to persuade Clandonia to cease its aggression against Vetaka and negotiate terms to end the war.

The Republican Monarchy Abstains.


5. Voting on admitting new members to the COMECON, if any new applications come in

- Honako

Aye


- Mauvasia

Aye


-FreeAngola

Nay


-Droskianishk

Aye


6. Adding a vote of no confidence provision to allow the council to remove the chairman of the COMECON and mandate elections for a new one.

Aye.

Colonel Evan Lania, via satellite

I apologize for not being able to attend in person.

1. I am undecided on who to nominate.
2. N/A
3. Reforming the voting system of the COMECON: We support reform
4. We support ecomnomic sanctions, Vetaka is our very loyal ally.
5. I say yes to all the current requests for admitance
6. I support this provision

After further consideration and some quick fact-finding missions by New Manthian intelligence, we have modified our initial abstain votes on the nations of Droskianishk and FreeAngola to yea in the case of Droskianishk and nay in the case of FreeAngola.

"In compliance with the wishes of His Royal Highness, the Grand Duchy of Lachenburg votes 'aye' in regards to petitions of membership set forth by the nations of Mauvasia and Droskianishk. Our government feels as though both states aforementioned not only represent the stated principles of the Community, but will come to be an integral part in its further development." the Lachenburgian representative noted in his native French. Then, upon allowing his translator to do his work, he continued with his statement. "As to the status of the state of FreeAngola, His Royal Highness, in addtion to the members of his Honourable Cabinet, have explicitly requested the membership of said nation to be declined, on account of said nation's aggressive policies of military expenditure."

"Upon the matter of electoral re-organization, the Grand Duchy shall hereby abstain from voting. This matter, my government feels, is not of the Grand Duchy's prime concern. In addition, His Royal Highness shall abstain in the selection of a candidate for Chairman until all interested parties have announced their intentions for candidacy."

Late, and looking exceptionally flustered, the Pan-Arab Barronian Delegate to COMECON-SD arrives.

"Right, well, my apologies. Now then, the votes that were mentioned...ah, yes, of course.

Now then...

Number 1: Nomination of Candidacy: The Empire abstains, through a lack of opposition.

Number 2: Requests for aid: The Empire is already in receipt of aid, for which we are most grateful. We do not wish for more.

Number 3: Reform of the voting system: The Empire abstains.

Number 4: Economic sanctions against Clandonia, with reference to Vetaka: The Empire votes aye.

Number 5: Votes for admittance of the following:

Honako: Aye

Mauvasia: Aye

FreeAngola: Abstain

Droskianishk: Aye

Number 6: Allowing the provision for a Vote of No Confidence: The Empire votes aye."

With that, he sits down in his chair, with a highly-audible sigh.

Nominating candidates to elect the first permanent chairman- abstains as no opposition has been offered

Reforming the voting system of the COMECON: - We support this proposal

Economic sanctions against Clandonia-Abstain

Voting on admitting new members to the COMECON

- Honako- Yes

- Mauvasia- Yes

-FreeAngola- Abstain

-Droskianishk- Yes

Adding a vote of no confidence provision to allow the council to remove the chairman of the COMECON and mandate elections for a new one.- Yes

Attention delegates:

-The nations of Mauvasia and Droskianishk have received enough votes to be admitted to our organization. Their voting rights, as well as any changes in existing rights, will be detailed at the next meeting.

-In addition, issue 6 has received a majority vote of all COMECON members and will pass without question at this meeting.

-The other issues remain open for voting until 11:59 PM EST on Monday, after which they will be brought in to effect if they have sufficient yes votes to pass. At present, none of the other proposed issues will pass given the votes they currently have.

Thank you,
Interim Chairman Sergei Antropov

Official Dominion of Vetaka Diplomatic Message:

To: COMECON General Meeting
From: Vetakan Foreign Affairs

Subject: Vetaka's Votes

Because of the current situation between Vetaka and Clandonia we are unable to attend this meeting in person however we have been kept up to date regarding the Meetings Developments. Before we disclose our votes Vetaka would like to thank her COMECON Allies for their offers of support during the Vetakan-Clandonian Crisis. As for our votes they are as follows

Number 1: Nomination of Candidacy:

The Free Dominion Abstains due to a lack of Candidates.

Number 2: Requests for aid:

The Free Dominion requires No Aid. Thank You

Number 3: Reform of the voting system:

The Free Dominion Abstains

Number 4: Economic sanctions against the United Kingdom of Clandonia, with reference to the Free Dominion of Vetaka:

The Free Dominion of Vetaka votes Nay on the grounds Economic Sanctions will only be hurtful to the Innocent Clandonian Popualtion. On the grounds of the Sanctions The Free Dominion calls for Sanctions to be switched from Economic to Diplomatic Sanctions.

Number 5: Votes for admittance of the following:

Honako: Aye

Mauvasia: Aye

FreeAngola: Aye

Droskianishk: Aye

Number 6: Allowing the provision for a Vote of No Confidence:

The Free Dominion Votes Aye

Thank You

Yours With Regards

Vetakan Foreign Secretary Thomas Lewis

"Vetaka, your votes have been recorded and we thank you for participating in our organization even in the face of war. Our organization will be here for you if and when you need us." Antropov looked around at the hall, which had grown quite a bit more crowded in the past few hours and now rang with chattering voices.

Official Dominion of Vetaka Diplomatic Message:

To: COMECON General Meeting
From: Vetakan Foreign Affairs

Subject: Vetaka's Votes

Because of the current situation between Vetaka and Clandonia we are unable to attend this meeting in person however we have been kept up to date regarding the Meetings Developments. Before we disclose our votes Vetaka would like to thank her COMECON Allies for their offers of support during the Vetakan-Clandonian Crisis. As for our votes they are as follows

Number 1: Nomination of Candidacy:

The Free Dominion Abstains due to a lack of Candidates.

Number 2: Requests for aid:

The Free Dominion requires No Aid. Thank You

Number 3: Reform of the voting system:

The Free Dominion Abstains

Number 4: Economic sanctions against the United Kingdom of Clandonia, with reference to the Free Dominion of Vetaka:

The Free Dominion of Vetaka votes Nay on the grounds Economic Sanctions will only be hurtful to the Innocent Clandonian Popualtion. On the grounds of the Sanctions The Free Dominion calls for Sanctions to be switched from Economic to Diplomatic Sanctions.

Number 5: Votes for admittance of the following:

Honako: Aye

Mauvasia: Aye

FreeAngola: Aye

Droskianishk: Aye

Number 6: Allowing the provision for a Vote of No Confidence:

The Free Dominion Votes Aye

Thank You

Yours With Regards

Vetakan Foreign Secretary Thomas Lewis
Regarding the Vetakan suggestions, here is how we vote on those issues we haven't decided or abstained from...

For Chairmanship, we vote to install Vetalia for the sake of operational continuity while this alliance is still setting up.

We shall honor the Free Dominion's request to stand alone, and thus abstain from the matter.

However, we do second their motion for diplomatic instead of economic sanctions against Clandonia Prime as token of Honor with them; and vote aye if said motion stands. This is more appropriate, and shall inflict less suffering on all involved if passed.

Regarding members we have not voted upon already (i.e. Honako): All abstained.

Thank you,
Marie Delane
Underescretary of State for COMECON Affairs.

"The votes from the nation of Wagdog have been duly recorded."

Antropov stepped from the podium to speak personally to Undersecretary Delane. "I think it might be a good idea if we start drafting plans for another advisory council to keep us updated on the status of other diplomatic alliances in the world. It would help us keep the COMECON updated on the situation as it develops."

Antropov added. "Voting on the motion to change the economic sanctions to diplomatic sanctions on Clandonia prime will be added to the ballot."

1. Nominating candidates to elect the first permanent chairman- (nominate candidates in this thread, elections will occur in another thread.)

-Sergei Antropov, Vetalia

2. Requests for aid from the general fund- (post requests for aid now)

-No requests

3. Reforming the voting system of the COMECON:

The nation of Lifesblood wishes to adjust the voting system to set a minimum of 2 votes and a maximum of 10 votes for any nation, with voting rights based on population.

Yes- 15
No- 21
Abstain- 40

4. Economic sanctions against Clandonia

The nation of Kahanistan wishes to discuss imposing economic sanctions to persuade Clandonia to cease its aggression against Vetaka and negotiate terms to end the war.

Yes- 15
No- 19
Abstain-18

5. Voting on admitting new members to the COMECON, if any new applications come in

- Honako
Yes- 53
No- 26
Abstain-2

- Mauvasia
Yes- 76
No- 0
Abstain-2

-FreeAngola
-Request withdrawn by FreeAngola

-Droskianishk
Yes-74
No-0
Abstain-14

6. Adding a vote of no confidence provision to allow the council to remove the chairman of the COMECON and mandate elections for a new one.

Yes- 70
No-0

7. Motion to change issue 4 from economic to diplomatic sanctions:

Yes-16
No-0

Antropov added. "Voting on the motion to change the economic sanctions to diplomatic sanctions on Clandonia prime will be added to the ballot."
Undersecretary Delane stood up and added, "Thank you, Interim Chairman Andropov. That done, we abstain from the matter of economic sanctions against Clandonia Prime; out of respect for our fellow member Praetonia's ties to that nation." She then sat back down primly and awaited more votes and discussion.

FreeAngola, if your nation does not refund the money we have sent you, we will be forced to take some diplomatic or economic action. We are willing to help you purchase weapons, but we will not abide by any attempt at defrauding our nation or its taxpayers.

YOU CAN INVADE IF YOU WANT,I´M ONLY RETIRING BECAUSE I HAVE 35 VOTES AGAINST ME

FreeAngola
Yes-16
No-35
Abstain-27

If you dare threaten us with nuclear force, we will be forced to destroy and occupy your nation. This is not the time for any nation to be acting in such an irresponsible manner, especially when we so generously have offered to fund your military expansion. A default on your payment will cause your country to collapse economically. You can't fight a war without the money to do it.

And trust us, our missile defenses are more than powerful enough to avert your attacks on major cities. We have been preparing for nuclear war for longer than you have existed, and our arsenal is more than enough to reduce your countryside to radioactive glass.

Now, let us sit and discuss this like two sovereign nations.

Ok FreeAngola appreciates your efforts to help us,and we will abort the nuclear missile launch

Excellent. You will find that rational, diplomatic discussion is the best policy for any nation.

But i will withdraw from the membership proposal

Signed

Dictator Specter

OOC: You still made a threat, I saw we invade FreeAngola and pillage its resources.

OOC: Don't worry, I've got this under control. We need our forces ready for bigger threats on the horizon.

The Manthian ambassador bursts out laughing. "You can't invade us because your army is so big, it won't fit in our country" has got to be the more... unique responses he had ever heard to a military threat. Still, on a more serious note, it looks like New Manth had been correct when it decided to oppose FreeAngola's membership.

OOC: You still made a threat, I saw we invade FreeAngola and pillage its resources.

And you expect me to be afraid of you?I will bomb you before your friends get here

OOC: Empty threats, my country is well defended and any attack by you will be easily repelled.

The Manthian ambassador stands.

"Since FreeAngola's application to join this alliance has been both rejected and withdrawn, I request that security please escort its representative out of this closed meeting."

OOC: Don't worry, I've got this under control. We need our forces ready for bigger threats on the horizon.

OOC: Well...if you're sure. They guys were looking forward to a bit of easy sport - you know, game shoots and the like...

OOC: I was indeed looking for sport, basically a chance to show off the new DR series rifles my forces have.

The Manthian ambassador stands.

"Since FreeAngola's application to join this alliance has been both rejected and withdrawn, I request that security please escort its representative out of this closed meeting."

HOW MUCH SECURITY DO YOU HAVE?

I HAVE MY BODYGUARDS TOO

And you expect me to be afraid of you?I will bomb you before your friends get here

OOC: If that's how it's going to be played, then my fighters will be over Doman airspace before your bombers get there.

OOC: I'm sure you have ICBMs, but so do I, and an interceptor system. Not to mention OBSAT capabilities.

OOC: Empty threats, my country is well defended and any attack by you will be easily repelled.

AGAINST MY ICBMS?I DON´T THINK SO

HOW MUCH SECURITY DO YOU HAVE?

I HAVE MY BODYGUARDS TOO

OOC: Well, there's mine, his, Vetalia's, Wagdogs....all in all, much more than you.

HOW MUCH SECURITY DO YOU HAVE?

I HAVE MY BODYGUARDS TOO

Two men. Just two. Try your chances if you will.

Of course, there's the matter of the fifteen-odd OTHER nations also present at this conference, many of which have significantly more security than New Manth. And the fact that if you beat security (unlikely), you will then have to fight your way through the regular army of the host country (Vetalia, I assume). So again, try your chances if you will.

OOC: If that's how it's going to be played, then my fighters will be over Doman airspace before your bombers get there.

This are Some items i bought yesterday:

x45-B-74 Shadowcaster-http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12197703&postcount=99

x23-F-119A Banshee-http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12106112&postcount=69

x16-S-401 Overlord-http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12197707&postcount=100

x13-SR 71 Blackbird-http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SR_71_Blackbird

OOC: Well, there's mine, his, Vetalia's, Wagdogs....all in all, much more than you.

If you don´t want a shootout inside your reunion center i suggest you let me leave peacefully,or my 45 men security team will have to take me off the buiding by force,they are all armed with FN P90,with AP ammunition,concussion and flasbang grenades,and LevelIV body armour,i myself carry a FN USG selective fire with armour piercing bullets and wear a LevelIII body armour, so let me leave peacefully or both of us will have lots of dead and we don´t want that do we?

Two men. Just two. Try your chances if you will.

Of course, there's the matter of the fifteen-odd OTHER nations also present at this conference, many of which have significantly more security than New Manth. And the fact that if you beat security (unlikely), you will then have to fight your way through the regular army of the host country (Vetalia, I assume). So again, try your chances if you will.

I don´t believe their army has such a quick response

OOC:

Number 1: Not my reunion center.

Number 2: Such an act would effectively act as a declaration of war agaisnt myself, and would involve me turning your entire nation into something resembling the Battle of the Somme.

Still want that gunfight?

I don´t believe their army has such a quick response

Do you really want to test that theory?

Evan Lania surveyed his monitor with disgust. Some wimpy country was being retarded. He walked away from the monitor and made a call to the embassy and military base in Vetalia. One hundred fifty Imperial Marines would soon be on their way to capture/kill all the FreeAngolans in the building.

OOC: O.o

You must think i´m really afraid of you,and as you are reading this message i already left in my stealth private jet

Signed

Dictator Specter

3. Reforming the voting system of the COMECON:

The nation of Lifesblood wishes to adjust the voting system to set a minimum of 2 votes and a maximum of 10 votes for any nation, with voting rights based on population.

Yes- 15
No- 21
Abstain- 40

Kampfers finds the voting on this ballot as faulty. As those with the most votes will wish to retain their power, there is little to no chance for those with less votes to push this through. We propose that we retake this vote with each nation only carrying one vote.

OOC: Free Angola, you already got a 3 day forum ban for flaming. Next time the Mods won't be so kind.

OOC:

Number 1: Not my reunion center.

Number 2: Such an act would effectively act as a declaration of war agaisnt myself, and would involve me turning your entire nation into something resembling the Battle of the Somme.

Still want that gunfight?

NO PROBLEMS BY ME

The Colonel appeared on screen once more.

"Fellow delegates, I see these people as a threat. Do your best to subdue them until the Marines arrive."

OOC: FreeAngola Despite what I said in the OBSAT Thread your application for the system is now pernamently rejected your worse than the fighting stars

OOC: I say bullshit, you can't just walk out. That is considered godmodding.

TELEGRAM

Dictator Specter says that he and his 45 men Security Team are already at FreeAngola airspace,and the Marines won´t be able to catch him in time

Signed

Dictator Specter

The Barronian delegate rose to counter the Doman.

"With all due respect, the FreeAngolans have-" he supressed a laugh "left on their...stealth...private jet..."

With that, he took his seat, and one could hear the occassional snort of laughter.

OOC: How much majority votes do you need to get accepted into the alliance? And also, FreeAngola, I suggest you leave the thread - it's just embarrassing.

On the monitor, the Colonel was observed rolling on the floor laughing his ass off muttering "Stealth.Private.Jet"

3. Reforming the voting system of the COMECON:

The nation of Lifesblood wishes to adjust the voting system to set a minimum of 2 votes and a maximum of 10 votes for any nation, with voting rights based on population.

Yes- 15
No- 21
Abstain- 40
Kampfers finds the voting on this ballot as faulty. As those with the most votes will wish to retain their power, there is little to no chance for those with less votes to push this through. We propose that we retake this vote with each nation only carrying one vote.

OOC: Free Angola, you already got a 3 day forum ban for flaming. Next time the Mods won't be so kind.
OOC: reposting... lets get this on track, forget FreeAngola, someone tell a mod and let him get banned.

OOC: Agreed. So, who wants to go tell moderation what he's been up to this time?

IC:

"The Barronian Delegacy would second Kamphers movement on changing the voting system, although we shall maintain our stance of abstinence."

OOC: Agreed. So, who wants to go tell moderation what he's been up to this time?

IC:

"The Barronian Delegacy would second Kamphers movement on changing the voting system, although we shall maintain our stance of abstinence."

OOC: done... You guys just go agree with me... in mod forums, can't miss it.

OOC: Done, added some posts.

Sergei simply said, "I do believe the FreeAngolan delegation confused the fact that there is no air traffic control at that abandoned airport with stealth capabilities. I can quite clearly see their plane out the window. Of course, I hope they realize that we've cut their military aid funding because of this...outburst. I think it will be interesting to see hyperinflation set in once they start defaulting."

He paused, showing that the matter was settled, and continued with the meeting.

"To the nation of Kampfers: I have reviewed the situation and I feel that you may be right in this regard. We will probably hold a special vote on the issue in order to give all nations a fair say in the organization. However, I do want to note that several large nations have joined the organization and their population will further dilute the voting power of some of the larger nations."

The Barronian delegate stood, obviously confused.

"FreeAngola is receiving military funding still? Or, by cut, does the speaker me 'stopped entirely'"

The first Leocardian delegate walks in the room.

He sees everyone in mess. "What the...?"

"Honourable Delegates of Leocardia...don't ask."

The Barronian delegate stood, obviously confused.

"FreeAngola is receiving military funding still? Or, by cut, does the speaker me 'stopped entirely'"

The kampferian delegate arose: "It had damn better be stopped entirely! I ain't spendin no money to cover their ass."

The kampferian delegate arose: "It had damn better be stopped entirely! I ain't spendin no money to cover their ass."

"We wholeheartedly agree with the Honourable Kampferian Delegate, save the part in spending. COMECON should not waste it's time giving money to those who would solely aim to aggravate it, like the repulsive FreeAngolans.

Oh look, their plane's just heading out of sight...stealthily."

The delegate remained standing, repressing the peals of laughter from reminiscing the incident.

"Well, I got some papers. Check out the Leocardian T-96."




http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=526759

"The money provided to the nation of FreeAngola came from Vetalian funds, not the COMECON. We felt that we might be able to rehabilitate their nation and use their...aggressive...spirit to enhance our own strategic position. Clearly, we were wrong and this factored in the resignation of Praetor Ryzhkov two days ago."

Sergei Antropov continued. "Leocardia, we notice that FreeAngola wishes to purchase some of your tanks. I seriously doubt they will be able to afford such a purchase given that we have cut their funding and they have defaulted on their other military purchases. I am not personally concerned, securitywise, since the money is going to you and 1,250 tanks is hardly enough to do anything against a single one of our divisions, but we simply want to avoid you being conned by a nation that has so blatantly shown its willingness to default on agreements".

"The money provided to the nation of FreeAngola came from Vetalian funds, not the COMECON. We felt that we might be able to rehabilitate their nation and use their...aggressive...spirit to enhance our own strategic position. Clearly, we were wrong and this factored in the resignation of Praetor Ryzhkov two days ago."

Sergei Antropov continued. "Leocardia, we notice that FreeAngola wishes to purchase some of your tanks. I seriously doubt they will be able to afford such a purchase given that we have cut their funding and they have defaulted on their other military purchases. I am not personally concerned, securitywise, since the money is going to you and 1,250 tanks is hardly enough to do anything against a single one of our divisions, but we simply want to avoid you being conned by a nation that has so blatantly shown its willingness to default on agreements".

We've rejected the process.

Electronic Communications from Droskianishk

I would like to thank the nations of COMECON-SD for recieving Droskianishk open armed. As a sign of good faith to show our commitment to the COMECON, Droskianishk pledges 1 million soldiers for the use of COMECON, of course more will be available should they be necessary, as well as a modest contribution of 1 Billion Ungaks ($2 billion USD) for the general fund. Again we thank you and the Droskianishk representative, my brother Prince Nikako Kutz, will be present at the next meeting.


King Sikako Kutz I of Droskianishk

"King Kutz, we are greatly appreciative of your nation's donation to our organization. We hope that you as well as our community will prosper under the banner of the COMECON. At our next meeting, you will receive your voting rights and you will be ready to take an active role in shaping the future of this organization.

We would like to ask at this time if you have any questions or concerns that you feel would be best addressed by the council. Welcome to the COMECON."

Applause rang across the meeting hall as the COMECON welcomed its 22nd member state.

Ambassador Turus Wrenhobidona walked into the conference hall with his delegation of translators and advisors and took the seat reserved for their delegation, he spoke up as soon as he was allowed, "First off, the Imperial Federation of Dai Yuddha Ossyria and myself personally would like to express our regret at my late arrival. We apologize and hope that this does not reflect poorly on us. As for the issues currently being voted upon;

1. Nominating candidates to elect the first permanent chairman
We feel that the honourable delegate from Vetalia is well suited for the task, especially considering they are the only candidate,

2. Requests for aid from the general fund
We do not have any requests for aid at this time,

3. Reforming the voting system of the COMECON
We vote in favor of reform, but it seems another vote on this issue is in the works,

4. Economic sanctions against Clandonia
Unfortunately, we are not aware of all the facts of this situation and will abstain

5. Voting on admitting new members to the COMECON, if any new applications come in
It seems all applications have been decided,

6. Adding a vote of no confidence provision to allow the council to remove the chairman of the COMECON and mandate elections for a new one
We will vote in favor of this proposition.

And again, we hope our tardiness is not disruptive and we will try not to let this happen again."

OOC: Vetalia, can you TG me about http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=526661

OOC: By the way, you guys can propose candidates to run against Mr. Antropov.

"Dai Yuddha Ossyria, your votes have been recorded. Thank you for taking part in the future of our organization."

Voting update:



1. Nominating candidates to elect the first permanent chairman- (nominate candidates in this thread, elections will occur in another thread.)

-Sergei Antropov, Vetalia

2. Requests for aid from the general fund- (post requests for aid now)

-Kampfers, military and economic aid for the Griffincrest invasion

3. Reforming the voting system of the COMECON:

The nation of Lifesblood wishes to adjust the voting system to set a minimum of 2 votes and a maximum of 10 votes for any nation, with voting rights based on population.


Yes- 18
No- 21
Abstain- 40

4. Economic sanctions against Clandonia

The nation of Kahanistan wishes to discuss imposing economic sanctions to persuade Clandonia to cease its aggression against Vetaka and negotiate terms to end the war.

Yes- 16
No- 19
Abstain-21

5. Voting on admitting new members to the COMECON, if any new applications come in

- Honako Accepted

- Mauvasia Accepted

-FreeAngola Withdrawn

-Droskianishk Accepted

6. Adding a vote of no confidence provision to allow the council to remove the chairman of the COMECON and mandate elections for a new one.

Yes- 73
No-0

7. Motion to change issue 4 from economic to diplomatic sanctions:

Yes-17
No-0

Kampfers votes yea for issues 4 and seven... Either way, the clandonians need to stop their attacks. (OOC: then Vetaka can give me more aid, lol)

Kampfers would like to be the first nation to request aid, noting the impending crisis in the country.

#Government Official Statement#

At 1:00AM today there was a Military Coup d ´Etat in FreeAngola,the former dictator Specter has been removed from Office and from now on does not play a part on FreeAngola Government decisions,FreeAngola´s provisionary new leader is the 5 Star General Eduardo Silva,he wishes to apologize for the tension created by the former dictator specifically regarding the OBSAT(Vetaka) vs MCSATN case,and he also wishes to apologize to Vetalia for creating a war environment inside the COMECON reunion,the General has stated that he wants peace with Vetalia and that he is going to shut down the MCSATN System as a token of good will,with no further adue

Signed,

General Eduardo Silva

#Government Official Statement#

At 1:00AM today there was a Military Coup d ´Etat in FreeAngola,the former dictator Specter has been removed from Office and from now on does not play a part on FreeAngola Government decisions,FreeAngola´s provisionary new leader is the 5 Star General Eduardo Silva,he wishes to apologize for the tension created by the former dictator specifically regarding the OBSAT(Vetaka) vs MCSATN case,and he also wishes to apologize to Vetalia for creating a war environment inside the COMECON reunion,the General has stated that he wants peace with Vetalia and that he is going to shut down the MCSATN System as a token of good will,with no further adue

Signed,

General Eduardo Silva

Despite these events, Kampfers still votes nay to their joining.

FreeAngola did not apply for a new membership

"This is a heartening turn of events. if you wish, we will place your nation on the ballot for entry to the organization at the next meeting, to give tensions some time to dissipate. A change in your national leadership bodes well, and we feel it will be time to turn over a new leaf and start again.

We hope this marks the beginning of a new era in our relations, but rest assured we will be vigilant against treachery."

FreeAngola did not apply for a new membership

OOC: Then you should not be posting in this thread, despite this good news.

The MCSATN has been shut down but not permanently,in case of an invasion since FreeAngola does not have any other kind of defense we will be forced to activate it again

Voting has been updated.

Kampfers votes yea for issues 4 and seven... Either way, the clandonians need to stop their attacks. (OOC: then Vetaka can give me more aid, lol)

Kampfers would like to be the first nation to request aid, noting the impending crisis in the country.

wanted to bring this to attention

Kampfers, if possible detail what you feel is necessary to help your nation.

My only request is that COMECON ends its Military Equipment Embargo to FreeAngola

"It will be put on the ballot at the next meeting, and if your nation continues on its present course we feel it may be prudent to remove the embargo and allow you to purchase military equipment, provided you can afford it."

Kampfers, if possible detail what you feel is necessary to help your nation.

Pure SIC: Military Forces

IC: Money

Unfortunatly due to recent threats from 1010102 i am forced to put the MCSATN System back online

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=526781

Sorry Vetalia

Thank You

Signed

General Eduardo Silva

Pure SIC: Military Forces

IC: Money

Very well. I will budget up to $1 trillion in COMECON general fund money to help your nation; you can draw upon this for your needs if and when you need it. Following the war, we will forgive 75% of the debt and the remaining 25% will be repaid at no interest due to the special conditions involved.

Electronic Message from Droskianishk

I would like to submit to COMECON-SD for consideration until the next meeting a reform of the general executive office of the organization. I would suggest that the Chairman come from a nation with over 8 votes and that a Vice Chairman be elected from a nation with fewer than 8 votes in order to have equal representation of intrests in the loose executive office. Just a suggestion. I would also suggest that a vote be made to keep Angola off the ballot until that nation can be deemed stable by a commission established on by this organization.

King Sikako Kutz I of Droskianishk

"Droskianishk, your petition has been noted and will be discussed at the next meeting when we begin to actually elaborate on these issues for their inclusion in the charter. The Vetalian delegation seconds this motion to establish the Vice Chairmanship to balance the large and small nations in the executive branch of our organization."

I propose Angola to be ejected out of COMECON.

OOC: Angola isn't a member

OOC: Angola isn't a member
OOC: Last TG from me tonight, with my take on this whole subject. Thanks.

OOC: Angola isn't a member

Then why am I seeing him in this thread?

I shall warn Leocardia that if he intends to invade my country my MCSATN Systems is back online,my missile silos are on and we are at Defcon 1 status and i will destroy any Leocardia military unit that comes within our borders, i want peace but Leocardia keeps forcing me into war like their own civil war is not enough

I shall warn Leocardia that if he intends to invade my country my MCSATN Systems is back online,my missile silos are on and we are at Defcon 1 status and i will destroy any Leocardia military unit that comes within our borders, i want peace but Leocardia keeps forcing me into war like their own civil war is not enough

Hahahahahahahaha, no.

FreeAngola has decided to order the immediate retrieval of the units and funds placed in Kampfers,since no help is given from any f you to help me repell this attack that is being made against me in the future we will not help in any way nor Kampfers nor his COMECON members

Thank You

FreeAngola has decided to order the immediate retrieval of the units and funds placed in Kampfers,since no help is given from any f you to help me repell this attack that is being made against me in the future we will not help in any way nor Kampfers nor his COMECON members

Thank You

The Granatian Monarchy Represenetive has this to say.

"Hahahahahahahaha, no."

Thank you.

OOC: I love how FreeAngola thinks hes the shit when hes like a month old nation. He acts like he has all this military power when his military consists of 10 dudes with AK 47s on camels.

Haha I Don´t Care What You Think

Haha I Don´t Care What You Think

OOC: And we do?

OOC: I love how FreeAngola thinks hes the shit when hes like a month old nation. He acts like he has all this military power when his military consists of 10 dudes with AK 47s on camels.

Actually this is what i lended to Kampfers:

-165.000xRegular Troops
-7000xElite Commandos
-2500xMedics
-3000xEngineers
-80xGlobal Hawk
-15xB-2 Spirt Stealth Bomber
-22xB-1B Lancer
-13xTU-160 Blackjack
-45xSU-37 Super Flanker
-8x F/A-22 Raptor
-12xF117A NightHawk
-35xF-15E Eagle
-15xF-21 "Havoc"(for trials)
-21xPanavia Tornado
-75xAV-8B Harrier II/9A. FA2 Sea Harrier
-85xF-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF)
-45x F/A-18F Super Hornet
-100xEurofighter Typhoon
-16xA-10 II Thunderbolt
-50xMI-24P Hind
-25xRAH-66 Comanche
-20xMH-53J/M Pave Low
-26xEurocopter Tiger
-35xKamov KA-50/KA-52 Black Shark
-15xAH-1W/AH1Z Super Cobra
-10xOH-58D Kiowa/ Bell 206 JetRanger
-1200xHigh Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle (HMMWV)
-30xPatria AMV (Armoured Modular Vehicle)
-15xGepard anti-aircraft tank
-46xLeopard 2
-60xChallenger 2, FV 4034
-30xPaladin
-10xKraker
-47xBMP-3
x115-B-2 Spirit Stealth Bombers
-200x M20 Mackall Main Battle Tank
-250xA-15 Hurricane
-320xAH-64D Longbow Apache
-280xH-53 Sikorsky
-330xRAH-66 Comanche
-460xCH-46 Sea Knight
-390xCH-53 Sea Stallion
-280xOV-23 Tilitjet
-320xEH-101 Merlin MC Mk.1 (ASW)
-220xAH-1Z King Cobra
-500xF/A-22 Raptor
-800xMIM-72 / M48 Chaparral
-600xHHT-1X Chamberlain MBT
-200xRNI-A27 Piranha IV
-180xRNI-A30 Stormer
-150xRNI-AM8 Buford
-100xRNI-O155 Crusader
-200xRNI-MRK4 Merkava
-2000xHT-1 Conqueror Heavy Tank
-5000xST-1 Firefly Infantry Support Tank
-3000xMT-7 Jackson Main Battle Tank
-8000xIV-8 Maverick Infantry Fighting Vehicle
-500xMLRS
-2xTri Svyatitelya Class Super Carrier
-12xKonstantin Class Ballistic Missile Submarine
-5xPeter the Great Class Battleship
-11xKirov Class Battlecruiser
-6xKrikav 3 Class Frigate
-45xA-135 ABM System w/ SH-11 Gorgon and SH-08 Gazelle interceptor missiles
-4.000.000xAk 108
x5-Champion Class Supercarrier
x10-Agamemnon Class Battleship
x8-Iron Lord Class Cruiser
x40-La Fayette/Formidable Class Stealth Missile Frigate
x65-Visby Class Stealth Corvette
x14-Allegro Class Attack Submarine
x13-Typhoon Class Ballistic Missile Submarine
x45-B-74 Shadowcaster
x23-F-119A Banshee
x16-S-401 Overlord
x13-SR 71 Blackbird
x800-M-413 Diablo Main Battle Tank
x15.000-Stinger Anti-Aircraft Missile
x18.000-Starstreak
-x8-Seawolf Class SSN
-x6-Vanguard Class SSBN
-x8-Typhoon Class SSBN
-x7-Oscar II Class SSGN
-x18-DD(X) Class DDG
-x12-Avenger Class MCM/MSO/MHO
-x14-Littoral Combat Ship (LCS) Corvette
-x20-Emperor Class Battlecruiser CGN
-x15-Nimitz Class CVN
-x13-10A. CVN 21 Class
-x5-Azrael Class BBG
-x155.000 of Enriched Uranium

$25,000,000,000 to help in rebuilding

Actually this is what i lended to Kampfers:

-165.000xRegular Troops
-7000xElite Commandos
-2500xMedics
-3000xEngineers
-80xGlobal Hawk
-15xB-2 Spirt Stealth Bomber
-22xB-1B Lancer
-13xTU-160 Blackjack
-45xSU-37 Super Flanker
-8x F/A-22 Raptor
-12xF117A NightHawk
-35xF-15E Eagle
-15xF-21 "Havoc"(for trials)
-21xPanavia Tornado
-75xAV-8B Harrier II/9A. FA2 Sea Harrier
-85xF-35 Joint Strike Fighter (JSF)
-45x F/A-18F Super Hornet
-100xEurofighter Typhoon
-16xA-10 II Thunderbolt
-50xMI-24P Hind
-25xRAH-66 Comanche
-20xMH-53J/M Pave Low
-26xEurocopter Tiger
-35xKamov KA-50/KA-52 Black Shark
-15xAH-1W/AH1Z Super Cobra
-10xOH-58D Kiowa/ Bell 206 JetRanger
-1200xHigh Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle (HMMWV)
-30xPatria AMV (Armoured Modular Vehicle)
-15xGepard anti-aircraft tank
-46xLeopard 2
-60xChallenger 2, FV 4034
-30xPaladin
-10xKraker
-47xBMP-3
x115-B-2 Spirit Stealth Bombers
-200x M20 Mackall Main Battle Tank
-250xA-15 Hurricane
-320xAH-64D Longbow Apache
-280xH-53 Sikorsky
-330xRAH-66 Comanche
-460xCH-46 Sea Knight
-390xCH-53 Sea Stallion
-280xOV-23 Tilitjet
-320xEH-101 Merlin MC Mk.1 (ASW)
-220xAH-1Z King Cobra
-500xF/A-22 Raptor
-800xMIM-72 / M48 Chaparral
-600xHHT-1X Chamberlain MBT
-200xRNI-A27 Piranha IV
-180xRNI-A30 Stormer
-150xRNI-AM8 Buford
-100xRNI-O155 Crusader
-200xRNI-MRK4 Merkava
-2000xHT-1 Conqueror Heavy Tank
-5000xST-1 Firefly Infantry Support Tank
-3000xMT-7 Jackson Main Battle Tank
-8000xIV-8 Maverick Infantry Fighting Vehicle
-500xMLRS
-2xTri Svyatitelya Class Super Carrier
-12xKonstantin Class Ballistic Missile Submarine
-5xPeter the Great Class Battleship
-11xKirov Class Battlecruiser
-6xKrikav 3 Class Frigate
-45xA-135 ABM System w/ SH-11 Gorgon and SH-08 Gazelle interceptor missiles
-4.000.000xAk 108
x5-Champion Class Supercarrier
x10-Agamemnon Class Battleship
x8-Iron Lord Class Cruiser
x40-La Fayette/Formidable Class Stealth Missile Frigate
x65-Visby Class Stealth Corvette
x14-Allegro Class Attack Submarine
x13-Typhoon Class Ballistic Missile Submarine
x45-B-74 Shadowcaster
x23-F-119A Banshee
x16-S-401 Overlord
x13-SR 71 Blackbird
x800-M-413 Diablo Main Battle Tank
x15.000-Stinger Anti-Aircraft Missile
x18.000-Starstreak
-x8-Seawolf Class SSN
-x6-Vanguard Class SSBN
-x8-Typhoon Class SSBN
-x7-Oscar II Class SSGN
-x18-DD(X) Class DDG
-x12-Avenger Class MCM/MSO/MHO
-x14-Littoral Combat Ship (LCS) Corvette
-x20-Emperor Class Battlecruiser CGN
-x15-Nimitz Class CVN
-x13-10A. CVN 21 Class
-x5-Azrael Class BBG
-x155.000 of Enriched Uranium

$25,000,000,000 to help in rebuilding

I am still wondering how you can afford to mantain all that and afford to give out 25 Trillion in Aid.

If no one else wishes to vote or discuss issues before the council, I think it is time that this meeting be adjourned. The discussion thread for the passed issues will be posted tomorrow.

Thank you to all who participated in the democratic process, and I want to remind all remaining nations that have not voted that voting will still be open until 11:59 PM EST tonight.

Actually if you knew maths you would know that it is 25 Billions not Trillions

Here is the current voting data. Nations have until 11:59 PM EST to vote, and the current outcome of each issue is listed:

[QUOTE=Most recent voting data]

1. Nominating candidates to elect the first permanent chairman- (nominate candidates in this thread, elections will occur in another thread.)

-Sergei Antropov, Vetalia

2. Requests for aid from the general fund- (post requests for aid now)

-Kampfers, military and economic aid for the Griffincrest invasion
-$1 trillion in economic and military aid
-Conflict has been resolved, so we will discuss with Kampfers whether or
not they need it

3. Reforming the voting system of the COMECON:

The nation of Lifesblood wishes to adjust the voting system to set a minimum of 2 votes and a maximum of 10 votes for any nation, with voting rights based on population.

-UNLIKELY TO PASS-

Yes- 18
No- 21
Abstain- 40

4. Economic sanctions against Clandonia

The nation of Kahanistan wishes to discuss imposing economic sanctions to persuade Clandonia to cease its aggression against Vetaka and negotiate terms to end the war.

-UNLIKELY TO PASS-

Yes- 16
No- 19
Abstain-21

5. Voting on admitting new members to the COMECON, if any new applications come in

- Honako Accepted

- Mauvasia Accepted

-FreeAngola Withdrawn

-Droskianishk Accepted

6. Adding a vote of no confidence provision to allow the council to remove the chairman of the COMECON and mandate elections for a new one.

-PASSED-

Yes- 73
No-0

7. Motion to change issue 4 from economic to diplomatic sanctions:

-PASSED-

Yes-17
No-0

I am still wondering how you can afford to mantain all that and afford to give out 25 Trillion in Aid.

Because i am like North Korea most of my population serves in the army,we recruit at the age of 17

Because i am like North Korea most of my population serves in the army,we recruit at the age of 17

Doesn't mean shit. If you've noticed, North Korea isn't a very nice place to live. Mainly because more then half of it's population is poor as heel. Why? Because their economy sucks, because they are all in the military. If you draft more then 10%, hell 5%, of your population into the military your entire economy is going to start to fail.

- Official Statement by Greater Honakon

The Greater Honakon region wishes to thank COMECON for it's acceptance into this alliance. Although currently we are not permitted to vote, we would like to express our support towards the sanctions against Clandonia, preferable diplomatic to avoid heightened tensions. We also wish to support Kamp's idea of a voting technique that allows one vote per member for the Lifesblood issue, though we do not wish to give our positon currently on whether we agree or disagree to the suggestions made by Lifesblood on the number of votes each nation recieves.

We again support issue #6 regarding the no confidence system, and also will be happy to see Sergei Antropov as chairman.

"Greeting to the delegation of Honako. Your appearance at our first meeting is a heartening sign, since we want our member states to be active in the process even if they have not yet been allocated voting rights.

We have noted your opinion on the matters at hand and will be happy to hear your input when we discuss the particulars of these issues and put them in to the COMECON charter."

OOC: The next thread will be posted tomorrow; I'll have updated voting rights for members and we will discuss the way these provisions will be put in to effect.

Kampfers will at this time withdraw its request for aid. We also wish to know the status of our proposal about how voting on the voting issue should take place. (confusng aint it)

OOC: Im dubbing it the Griffencrest Offensive, and might put something up on NSwiki.

OOC: Almost as confusing as the "trouble with trouble" title...

"The Kampferian request is noted. That aid will remain available for the next 30 days, but will be withdrawn after that point as per requested by the Kampfers government.

In regard to "voting on the voting" issue, this will be added to the next meeting for reasons of simplicity. At that time, Lifesblood and the other nations can re-propose their issue and it will be voted on again, assuming that provision passes."

Because i am like North Korea most of my population serves in the army,we recruit at the age of 17

Look at North Korea now. A third world nation with an army using the same weapons they did in the Korean War. Their military budget is $23 billion and their population is much less compared to yours.

If you manage to act like North Korea, your country will be far worse than North Korea having less than 30 million.

The Leocardian delegate spoke after hours of silence.

"We have a problem with Mationbuds. Can COMECON discuss this conflict since our civil war has been resolved?"

The Leocardian delegate spoke after hours of silence.

"We have a problem with Mationbuds. Can COMECON discuss this conflict since our civil war has been resolved?"

"I have no problem with this. Would you please tell us of your issue?

"Yes, even if other nations are not available at this time, we can hear your situation and discuss the problem. It will be discussed at the follow-up meeting for passed issues tomorrow, and if necessary we can convene the security council to take more serious action."

The Leocardian delegate spoke after hours of silence.

"We have a problem with Mationbuds. Can COMECON discuss this conflict since our civil war has been resolved?"

"Let's hear it." the Manthian ambassador says, leaning backin his chair a little. He pulls out a cigar and begins to chew on the end.

Amb. Wrenhobidona spoke up as well, "Yes, we would also like to hear the honourable Leocardian delegate's problem with the state of Mationbuds."

The Leocardian delegate is pleased to capture the others attention. He smirks.

"Well, my country had a civil war with Rekustan rebels, and Mationbuds decides to aid the rebels by smuggling weapons into Leocardia, but has been prevented from allied help. Mationbuds, still, has their imperial navy present in Leocardia's sights as well as H-bombs aiming at the capital."

He sweats a little.

"The civil war had escalated into an international conflict. Leocardia is afraid to use their forces, but is willing to use force to defend itself. Though, Mationbuds claims his navy is neutral, with such a tremendous navy force, I don't think it's neutral, especially when it's hanging by the borders of Leocardia's territorial waters.

"I'd recommend first proposing demilitarization of the area to see what they do. If they're truly neutral, they should have no problem removing most of their forces save those needed for security or peacekeeping purposes while the conflict is resolved."

"Very well."

He took his cell phone out and told officials what Leocardia should do.

ATTENTION: This meeting is now adjourned. The issues that passed will be discussed starting tomorrow afternoon so that they can be put in to law

Thanks to all who voted and participated in the process,
Sergei Antropov, interim chairman, COMECON-SD