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As things stand, everything regarding the current Hatarian situation is a jumbled mess, so I propose the following solution for the 'history books', so to speak, so that everyone can be on the same page witih regards to IC history and people can stop some of this silly OOC bickering.

Rough timeline of events...
1. Hataria, while already being involved in various conflicts around the world, attempts to invade Demon 666 again.
2. The invasion initially goes well, but increasing numbers of nations come to Demon 666's aid and the Hatarian advance slows.
3. Hataria launches another invasion of a nation called Shalchioria. Axis Nova assists with infowarfare and economic attacks, but is unable to provide significant material support due to having withdrawn much of it's military due to the requirements of the Icarus Project.
4. Even more nations leap to Shalchioria's assistance. The Hatarian invasion of Shalchioria stalls, as does the one in Demon 666.
5. Hatarians begin to be pushed back out of Demon 666 and Shalchioria. One of Hataria's NPCs is killed, another is captured (I didn't keep track of the names too closely here).
6. Hatarian invasions of Demon 666 and Shalchioria fail. Large portions of the Hatarian ground, air, and naval forces deployed to these combat zones are destroyed, with many Hatarian troops being taken prisoner, and much equipment is abandoned in the field.
7. Massive counterattacks by anti-Hatarian nations across the board, focusing on Hatarian colonies. The Hatarian military, already badly strained, breaks, and invaders pour into the colonies. Remaining Hatarian forces are called home.
8. Seeing which way the wind is blown, Axis Nova begins it's pullout from Hataria. No official explanation is given to the Hatarian government, but large-scale demolition operations of Axis Novan installed power and production facilities across Hataria hinder Hataria's industry somewhat. The sudden cut-off of access to Axis Nova's satellite network and recon data further damages Hatarian command and control.
9. Wide-scale occupation of Hatarian colonies, turmoil in Hatarian government, much-reduced Hatarian military is called home entirely.

That would bring us to the current state: a somewhat unstable Hataria, stripped of it's colonies, with a greatly weakened military, with it's most powerful ally having deserted it.

That should be (relatively) satisfactory to just about everyone for the time being and should sort out some of the more ridiculous crap I've seen such as Wilhemsbourough (sp?) trying to claim control of all of Hataria's WMDs (how would this happen again?).

Note that this does not preclude the possibility of further actions against Hataria on the parts of his enemies. I just wanted to get things mostly straightened out here so I can RP involving some future events without a zillion people arguing over who did what and when and who captured what where and so forth.

Well, your single post is probably as close as we can all get to having a compromise. As far as I'm concerned, that one seems fine to me because Hataria's no longer a threat and everyone gets his ex-colonies.

But I think the invasion stalled before the Icarus Project you had in mind. You and Maldorains just weren't there, so Hataria just kinda fell apart.

Yeah, my computer crapped out at basically the worst possible time as far as Hataria was concerned, and when I got back things had really crapped out. With this thing I'm retconning things just a little bit to account for that.

I'm currently hammering into Hataria's head on MSN that considering the bad beating he suffered, he won't be really capable of offensive actions for some time. =p Even aside from having a large portion of his military destroyed or captured, he's not recieving aid from me anymore and a lot of the PMT infrastructure in his nation that was put there by me is now gone, which will hinder his industry for some time until new factories and power plants and so forth can be constructed and brought online.

Nice job, Axis.

I'm going to offer the best solution I can. Stop the pissing contest. That's all we're doing. We're adding fuel to the fire.

We've taken his lands, destroyed his military, and killed or captured his leadership. What more can we do?

I say we end it where it is now.

Well, from my perspective, it seems that Axis Nova and New Ausha are prepared to go to war on Hataria's behalf, so I'm more than a bit wary.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=526209

Well, from my perspective, it seems that Axis Nova and New Ausha are prepared to go to war on Hataria's behalf, so I'm more than a bit wary.

Well Axis is currently involved in that costly Icarus Project, so I don't think you'd have to worry about him for a while.

Nice job, Axis.

I'm going to offer the best solution I can. Stop the pissing contest. That's all we're doing. We're adding fuel to the fire.

We've taken his lands, destroyed his military, and killed or captured his leadership. What more can we do?

I say we end it where it is now.
Indeed, only the problem is most of the killing/capturing was done after Hataria cast his "Grand Ignore" on all of MT and left us in this position to begin with (sorry, but that is what happened Hataria; sympathetic though I remain to you overall.:(). Hence, what was done during the Fall is more than arguably an equally-grand godmod (especially with the events in Beijing and Tangalee being as confused as they are across two whole threads...), and thus subject to agreed resolution unless we want to wade through ANOTHER mass ignore-fest.
The colonies are gone for sure, I'd say; but if we need to put the rebuilding thread on hold and RP out Emperor Barbarossa Asakura II and Grand General Asuka Soryu (right Hat?:confused:) escaping from Demon666's custody, I can oblige as soon as some 'arrangements' to that end are finalized with some allies of mine and Hataria's. We game for some multilateral mercenary/SOF action, eh?;)

If there's some kind of extraction from a prison camp going on, people should TG/MSN/AIM me. While I can't provide concrete military aid to Hataria at this time, I have just the thing for an extraction from hostile territory, assuming a runway or decent stretch of flat road or decent stretch of dirt road or decent stretch of flat ground period can be found, and if one of the extraction teams doesn't mind hauling in a couple of extra items...

OCC: He ignored my perfectly acceptable blockade. You shouldn't help into he accepts it. MSN me.

You can sort that out with him. I don't care about your blockade as it doesn't affect me either way *shrug*

You can sort that out with him. I don't care about your blockade as it doesn't affect me either way *shrug*

OCC: But why should he ignore his enemies, while his allies get to roam free cause hes ignoring us?

OCC: But why should he ignore his enemies, while his allies get to roam free cause hes ignoring us?

What allies?

What allies?

Well, you were offering to help him.

Hey, TPF. Maybe it's time for me to bump my "declare war on Hataria" thread?

I don't think that allies is the right word. Maybe sympathizers. They are giving him aid and cash.

Well, you were offering to help him.

There' a difference between lending supplies for a rescue mission and giving military aid.

IT IS OVER! GET THAT THOUGH YOUR THICK HEADS! YOU WILL NOT FORCE ME OFF NATIONSTATES!

Give it up, you failed.

Once again, calm down. No one here is trying to force you off of Nationstates. That's immoral, and a bannable offence to boot. By saying that, you're drawing bad attention to yourself; provoking everyone else. You think that it is us, but it is really you; doing it to yourself.

You're making too big of a deal about this.

IT IS OVER! GET THAT THOUGH YOUR THICK HEADS! YOU WILL NOT FORCE ME OFF NATIONSTATES!

Give it up, you failed.

Calm down. We aren't trying to force you off, we're trying to get you to RP fairly. And you shouldn't be one to talk about harassment when you keep blowing up at us.

IT IS OVER! GET THAT THOUGH YOUR THICK HEADS! YOU WILL NOT FORCE ME OFF NATIONSTATES!

Give it up, you failed.

I don't believe anyone's ever wanted to force you off NationStates. What people want is for you to actually RP decently, which, from what I've seen, you've consistently failed to do since day one. Losing a war utterly isn't the end unless you want it to be.

IT IS OVER! GET THAT THOUGH YOUR THICK HEADS! YOU WILL NOT FORCE ME OFF NATIONSTATES!

Give it up, you failed.

If you RPed properly, didn't godmod, and kept your temper in check, you wouldn't be in this situation. Now....i'm going to bump my thread. And if I want, I can, and will, RP an occupation of your homeland, that is not against any rules, nor is it "harassment". It's just how it goes.

If you RPed properly, didn't godmod, and kept your temper in check, you wouldn't be in this situation. Now....i'm going to bump my thread. And if I want, I can, and will, RP an occupation of your homeland, that is not against any rules, nor is it "harassment". It's just how it goes.

Not when I say NO, and I Mean NO and that is my Final saying on It. NO! It is Over, the RP is dead in The water Give it up.

Procedural objection: I don't recall anyone doing a thread recently involving the successful invasion of the Hatarian mainland that had Hataria's participation in it.

(just dancing past the issue without him participating is hardly kosher, after all)

OCC: You don't decide when an RP is over, we all do.

Not when I say NO, and I Mean NO and that is my Final saying on It. NO! It is Over, the RP is dead in The water Give it up.

Then why did you bring it back to life?

Not when I say NO, and I Mean NO and that is my Final saying on It. NO! It is Over, the RP is dead in The water Give it up.

Until you make an IC STATMENT declaring that YOUR NATION drops it's Declaration of War upon MY NATION, we are still at war. And I will RP it out. Go run to the mods, they don't patrol RPing. So you have TWO choices.

1. Withdraw your delcaration of war.
2. Fight this till one of us wins.

The choice is yours, and yours alone.

That should be (relatively) satisfactory to just about everyone for the time being and should sort out some of the more ridiculous crap I've seen such as Wilhemsbourough (sp?) trying to claim control of all of Hataria's WMDs (how would this happen again?).



Hey now. I never said that I got control of all of his WMDs. In fact, all I claimed were his satellite weaponry. That which was left, anyway. And even those were only the weapons that could be controlled from Cuba and Algeria.

There could be other WMDs in the other colonies. Other nations would have to RP finding them, however.

Let's not forget that the colonies have taken a great deal of damage from our invasions. A lot of military hardware has been destroyed. In my case, I was shifting through the pieces trying to find anything still intact.

The RP is Dead, Over, Gone, Ruined by Dogpileing Jerks, Get used to it. I am no longer your Punching Bag as of now, All The Nations that were Dogpileing in the War are Ignored forever! It is Over.

Guys, I suggest you return the favour..It is clear that certain people will never change, and it would be a major waste of time to try and change them.

This is to all parties involved, exept Hat as he's probably already ignored me..*doesn't give a rats ass if he has or not*

The RP is Dead, Over, Gone, Ruined by Dogpileing Jerks, Get used to it. I am no longer your Punching Bag as of now, All The Nations that were Dogpileing in the War are Ignored forever! It is Over.

Serves you right for being a warmongering imperialist.

Serves you right for being a warmongering imperialist.
Excuse me, but that could describe most nations or alliances on NS; including several quite capable of utterly pwn1ng Hataria, all his enemies, all his sympathizers including me/my allies, and all the various kibitzers such as you/your allies, combined.:rolleyes: Again, "Since when are ICly bad foreign policy and OOCly iffy grammar genocide-worthy offenses?" That is my fundamental question in all of this; and I have yet to see a satisfactory answer justifying why they should be such ICly, aside from some nations just exercising their IC or OOC prejudices in the matter.

Given Hataria's behaviour in this thread, I am quite close to just declaring a pox on this whole situation and adding him to ignore unless he starts being reasonable and fast. I don't appreciate being made a fool of.

Since when are ICly bad foreign policy and OOCly iffy grammar genocide-worthy offenses?

IC:

The utterly vicious and meaningless violence of the Hatarian criminal regime was worthy only of contempt and destruction. An alliance of nations who could not bear to see the world stained by the Hatarian nightmare united to bring the flame of truth and justice to those who were oppressed by Hataria; and we were successful. Unfortunately, the Hatarian people are genetically criminal and can only be dealt with through summary military justice or expulsion to work camps where they can be socially useful for once in their miserable and depraved lives.

OOC: Bad spelling and poor grammar really, really, really piss me off. There're these things called dictionaries, and this other thing called literacy. Use one, it leads to the other. :)

Given Hataria's behaviour in this thread, I am quite close to just declaring a pox on this whole situation and adding him to ignore unless he starts being reasonable and fast. I don't appreciate being made a fool of.

Wait a minute, he made a fool out of you? I missed something here. How did he do that?

Wow, Hataria is really going downhill if Axis Nova is getting pissed off with him...

IC:

The utterly vicious and meaningless violence of the Hatarian criminal regime was worthy only of contempt and destruction. An alliance of nations who could not bear to see the world stained by the Hatarian nightmare united to bring the flame of truth and justice to those who were oppressed by Hataria; and we were successful. Unfortunately, the Hatarian people are genetically criminal and can only be dealt with through summary military justice or expulsion to work camps where they can be socially useful for once in their miserable and depraved lives.

OOC: Bad spelling and poor grammar really, really, really piss me off. There're these things called dictionaries, and this other thing called literacy. Use one, it leads to the other. :)
OOC: I use both happily.:D However, Hataria's failure to use them, although a legitimate reason for you to be OOCly pissed at him, is not a legitimate IC reason for the policy you've adopted. I don't much like the constant type-SHOUTING and such myself, but I have no jurisdiction over Hataria's language and seek none to enforce either. Also, this is the OOC thread, and my policy on this matter was already stated in the Strategic Bombing thread, replied to powerfully by your Pact of Iron fellow Atopiana I might add.;)

If you want a reason, Fine.

When I first started, I admit I was a Newb to The Game, But that was in 2003(Before The Move to Jolt), I learnt not to godmod and flame over time, but it seems you decided in your Small, Poor minds that Once I Newb always a Newb, so that is why every time I try a Thread, You so called "Nations" try your Best to ruin it with Spam, Flames, OOC Flames and other things.

I tried asking you to stop it, but you said "Oh look at The retard, lets make him look like a Dumb ass and ruin him." and then TPF's own words, "I am Glad you are Getting of NS, I hope you Die!" Seems like the Truth is out........you never wanted me around.

Well, Southeastasia was right all along, you guys are bullies on this Fourm, I Almost Feel sorry for you....NOT.

You know, you almost forced me off NS, but you all Failed and will Continue to fail, as you fail in Real Life. You may have Drove me off MT/PMT, but I will still be around, in Future Tech, Past Tech and Fantasy Tech.

You have lost all respect for me and I for you. and I will Repay you......all of you for this.

everytime a New Nation comes to The Fourm, I will warn them about you for being Bullies, Blacklist you as you are trying to do to me.

You have Lost.

everytime a New Nation comes to The Fourm, I will warn them about you for being Bullies, Blacklist you as you are trying to do to me.



How will you have time to do anything else in your life if you spend your time monitoring the forums, waiting for somebody new to show up?

If you want a reason, Fine.

When I first started, I admit I was a Newb to The Game, But that was in 2003(Before The Move to Jolt), I learnt not to godmod and flame over time, but it seems you decided in your Small, Poor minds that Once I Newb always a Newb, so that is why every time I try a Thread, You so called "Nations" try your Best to ruin it with Spam, Flames, OOC Flames and other things.

I tried asking you to stop it, but you said "Oh look at The retard, lets make him look like a Dumb ass and ruin him." and then TPF's own words, "I am Glad you are Getting of NS, I hope you Die!" Seems like the Truth is out........you never wanted me around.

Well, Southeastasia was right all along, you guys are bullies on this Fourm, I Almost Feel sorry for you....NOT.

You know, you almost forced me off NS, but you all Failed and will Continue to fail, as you fail in Real Life. You may have Drove me off MT/PMT, but I will still be around, in Future Tech, Past Tech and Fantasy Tech.

You have lost all respect for me and I for you. and I will Repay you......all of you for this.

everytime a New Nation comes to The Fourm, I will warn them about you for being Bullies, Blacklist you as you are trying to do to me.

You have Lost.

Your 'NOT' bit reminds me of Borat, "This suite is black not."

Wait a minute, he made a fool out of you? I missed something here. How did he do that?

I'm referring to my attempt at sorting things out so people can RP consistently and Hataria flying in here and munging things up with a temper tantrum, thus completely ruining the entire point of this thread.

I've had enough.
Goddammit, Hataria, if you want to claim this RP is over, fine. I quit. But there are three things, that you goddamnit, you WILL observe since you seem incapable of observing anything other than your own damn laws.
1. You can keep your invisible mainland, but I've got China, and you're not taking it from me.
2. Asakura is dead. Period. ICly, the minute I discovered you're trying to rebuild, I shot him.
3. And most important:
I am never RPing with you again period. You godmod, refuse to take losses, seem utterly stunned when you attack others and they fight back, and then whine when we kick your ass, which you deserve. There is no point in playing with a sore loser like you.
So, Hataria, you can go play with others, but you're no longer playing with me. Goodbye.

I'd suggest y'all just forget this thread. Hataria seems set on his position, and further antagonising will just lead to Mod action.

Just let him be, keep the territory, cancel all invasion. Put him on ignore if need be. But nothing good can come of further antagonism.

I also NEVER said I wanted you die. I frankly found that fucking insulting.

Also, we are more respectable rpers, and their are more of us than you. New nations will listen to us not you.

And I doubt we are failures in Real Life. Please, that steps over the line.

Wait is all this before or after Hat said he was moving to FT only.

Hat we never wanted to throw you off the fourm( for the n+1 time) But when you attack real world nations that in reality or on the boards couldn't defend aginst you people will come to there aid. Alot of people will come to their aid. This would happen in reality as well. It's not really a dog pile. Most people will do this.

And if we are all ignored(again for the n+1 time) then why do you always RP with us?

We dont want you off the forums. in reality i bet your a cool guy. As for all the spamming and stuff. The east asia occupation is the biggest example that i have seen. i'm sorry for participating in that.

oh as for me failing at life ( a term i hear quite often) I'm almost and eagle scout. Eagle Scouts dont fail... Period.

Before and after......

And on occasion, in between.

Wait is all this before or after Hat said he was moving to FT only.

Before and after......

If you want a reason, Fine.

When I first started, I admit I was a Newb to The Game, But that was in 2003(Before The Move to Jolt), I learnt not to godmod and flame over time, but it seems you decided in your Small, Poor minds that Once I Newb always a Newb, so that is why every time I try a Thread, You so called "Nations" try your Best to ruin it with Spam, Flames, OOC Flames and other things.

I tried asking you to stop it, but you said "Oh look at The retard, lets make him look like a Dumb ass and ruin him." and then TPF's own words, "I am Glad you are Getting of NS, I hope you Die!" Seems like the Truth is out........you never wanted me around.

Well, Southeastasia was right all along, you guys are bullies on this Fourm, I Almost Feel sorry for you....NOT.

You know, you almost forced me off NS, but you all Failed and will Continue to fail, as you fail in Real Life. You may have Drove me off MT/PMT, but I will still be around, in Future Tech, Past Tech and Fantasy Tech.

You have lost all respect for me and I for you. and I will Repay you......all of you for this.

everytime a New Nation comes to The Fourm, I will warn them about you for being Bullies, Blacklist you as you are trying to do to me.

You have Lost.

Actually, I wager you're the real faliure, and I can do a better job with my speculation based on your quick lack of patience.
Trust me, new nations will quickly figure out you're worse than us in a hurry. You even try, and your name will go down in infamy. I'm warning you-don't mess around with me.
You started it, you got yourself into it. Take it like a man, or if you try to cause any shit, I will make you pay for it on these boards. Don't even attempt anything outside the lines.

If you want a reason, Fine.

When I first started, I admit I was a Newb to The Game, But that was in 2003(Before The Move to Jolt), I learnt not to godmod and flame over time, but it seems you decided in your Small, Poor minds that Once I Newb always a Newb, so that is why every time I try a Thread, You so called "Nations" try your Best to ruin it with Spam, Flames, OOC Flames and other things.

I tried asking you to stop it, but you said "Oh look at The retard, lets make him look like a Dumb ass and ruin him." and then TPF's own words, "I am Glad you are Getting of NS, I hope you Die!" Seems like the Truth is out........you never wanted me around.

Well, Southeastasia was right all along, you guys are bullies on this Fourm, I Almost Feel sorry for you....NOT.

You know, you almost forced me off NS, but you all Failed and will Continue to fail, as you fail in Real Life. You may have Drove me off MT/PMT, but I will still be around, in Future Tech, Past Tech and Fantasy Tech.

You have lost all respect for me and I for you. and I will Repay you......all of you for this.

everytime a New Nation comes to The Fourm, I will warn them about you for being Bullies, Blacklist you as you are trying to do to me.

You have Lost.

The difference between normal "Newbs" and you is the regular newbs try to cooperate and improve. You just try to win.