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Nobel Air Force Base, The Peoples Freedom
Men were rushing all across the runways, making some last few checks on the bombers before they would head out. Soon, they finished and ran to the bunkers. The bombers were simply to large to fit in any existing hanger, and so they taxied from their parking spots. These bombers were the B-77 'Volcano' Nuclear Strategic Bomber, and they were heading out to pound the Hatarian War industries. They were loaded with numerous kind of munitions, ready to pound the enemy to hell and back again. With 400,000 pounds of munitions, they would be well suited to the task. More than four hundred began to take off from the runways. They were pre-loaded with targets, focusing on tank production factories, airplane factories, and dockyards. They soon formed into two groups, one of two hundred and the other of two hundred and began to fly at mach 0.9. Once they arrived, they would speed up to Mach 3.5 and begin the bombings. This was just the first of many more such raids to come. These would also later be joined by one hundred more B-77's AA variants, full of missiles and specially designed ECM missiles.


Melkor Air Force Base
Here, the other group of four hundred B-77's flew out. Their job was slightly different than their sisters. They were heavily loaded with specially-designed "Fist" ICCM's. Each of them had seven, and they were to be launched at Hatarias remaining navy. Then, they would fly to the ports, mining them with hundreds, if not thousands of mines. They would only bottle up the ports for a few days, but that meant a dew days that vital resources could not reach them. Finally, they were loaded with torpedoes and 2,000 pound guided bombs. The torpedoes would take out any other ships, and then the 2,000 pound bombs would make short work of the docks and other facilities. Like their sisters, they would later be joined by 100 B-77 AA variants.

Avalon Air Force Base, Ezaltia

The Ezaltian Forward Air Force was also preparing for their first bombing raid against the Hatarian mainland. Fifty B-74 Shadowcaster bombers were being prepped for takeoff, each one loaded with 110,000 pounds of laser-guided munitions. Their objective was a far cry from the wonton destruction the Hatarians employed; instead, they were aiming for the dockyards that housed the massive Hatarian Navy. With their disgustingly high speed of Mach 10, they would skip the surface of the atmosphere like a rock, likely reaching their targets before the TPF forces did.

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OCC:Mach 10? Is that feasible for such a large bomber for MT?

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OCC:Mach 10? Is that feasible for such a large bomber for MT?

Scramjets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scramjet) could do it. They aren't quite practically feasible yet, but are possible to be built now, albeit expensively.

Scramjets (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scramjet) could do it. They aren't quite practically feasible yet, but are possible to be built now, albeit expensively.

OCC: I know SCRAM jets could, but normally you see them only on missiles here on NS, because there is still many kinks and whatnot.

According to him, its a sub-orbital bomber. Those can easily reach up to mach 10.

According to him, its a sub-orbital bomber. Those can easily reach up to mach 10.

OCC: Yes, but I thought those were PMT, if he is a PMT nation, then I have no problem with it.

OCC: Yes, but I thought those were PMT, if he is a PMT nation, then I have no problem with it.
OOC: Theoretically, and so far I'm only involved in this for this point unless I have to start protesting these actions here on simple humanitarian grounds should they go too far, the WWII German rocket bomber designed by Julius Sanger would've attained Shadowcaster-type speeds using the same methods. However, the Third Reich would've had to survive into the 1960s for it to be built at all even according to Sanger's own optimistic projections at the time, so yeah I'd err on those being PMT too. But anyway as Hat keeps insisting IIRC he is PMT, or so is said...

SECRET IC:
Shazbotdom Strategic Bomber Inititive
At Johnson Air Force Base the 8th Strategic Bomber Wing (75 AC-02 Garrison Aircraft) was preparing to take off. They would be the first assault against Hataria, bombing the hell out of the coastline with 1,000lbs, 5,000lbs, and 10,00lbs bombs repectivley.

Captain Henderson, pilot of AC-02 Alpha Theta Two Seven, walked around the outside of his aircraft, checking out the exterior of his vessel for any defects or other problems. He was a stickler for this type of thing after the incident five years ago when his Garrisons engine blew out from a defect and he crashed into the ocean just 1,000 meters from the aircraft carrier he was assigned to.

But he was trying to make sure that didn't happen again...

OOC: I'll be joining in on this soon, I'll post more in a few hours.

OCC:Mach 10? Is that feasible for such a large bomber for MT?

It's one of the few PMT thing I use. Scramjets + suborbital flight. :) (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12197703&postcount=99)

OOC: I wonder if I should get in on this. Payback for all the stuff Hataria has done on me before. Though intense orbital bombardment and mass-glassation would be only a meager return. I think I'll wait until its been destroyed...so I can destroy the ashes.

Don't get any of your planes on Western Hataria, I will be back for it eventually.

The Central Command Center in Balkan City was buzzing with activity. Reports of strategic bombing initiatives were flooding in from across the globe. Shazbotdom, The PeoplesFreedom, and Ezaltia were beginning bombing raids on Hataria.

The President was informed of the campaign against Hataria and was stunned. Not that he like Hataria, but he was stunned that it was so sudden.

The President sent a telegram to The PeoplesFreedom.

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1024QKb Encryption...
Starting message...

To: The PeoplesFreedom
From: Asgarnieu
Subject: Hataria

Greetings. We have become aware of your bombing operations with Ezaltia and Shazbotdom.

We applaud your actions, and request that we send a few squadrons of F/A-103 Stanza strike fighters to fly protection missions for your bombers and unload a small amount of ordinance ourselves.

We await your response.

Thank you.

Respectfully,

Justin A. Herbert
President of the United Democratic Empire of Asgarnieu

...END MESSAGE

The Central Command Center in Balkan City was buzzing with activity. Reports of strategic bombing initiatives were flooding in from across the globe. Shazbotdom, The PeoplesFreedom, and Ezaltia were beginning bombing raids on Hataria.

The President was informed of the campaign against Hataria and was stunned. Not that he like Hataria, but he was stunned that it was so sudden.

The President sent a telegram to The PeoplesFreedom.

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1024QKb Encryption...
Starting message...

To: The PeoplesFreedom
From: Asgarnieu
Subject: Hataria

Greetings. We have become aware of your bombing operations with Ezaltia and Shazbotdom.

We applaud your actions, and request that we send a few squadrons of F/A-103 Stanza strike fighters to fly protection missions for your bombers and unload a small amount of ordinance ourselves.

We await your response.

Thank you.

Respectfully,

Justin A. Herbert
President of the United Democratic Empire of Asgarnieu

...END MESSAGE
Reply
We would be most happy to accept these escorts, please load them out so they can take out SAM's, thank you. Also, our bombers will be flying at 80,000 feet until we get into target range.

1024QKb Encryption...
Starting message...

OFFICIAL REPLY

We thank you for allowing our forces to assist you. This operation will be known as Operation FIRESTORM in our nation.

Here is our FIRESTORM ORBAT:

-450 F/A-103 Stanza strike fighters
(23mm cannons, ASAM missiles, chaff, flares, jammers, AAM-37)
-100 KC-97 Bluejay
(Fuel for bombers and fighters)
-5 AL-97 Hawkeye
(Chemical laser for aircraft defense)
-3 EC-97 Eagle Eye
(Jamming equipment, communication equipment, SIGINT equipment)

Thank you. If you would like any more equipment, please request it.

...END MESSAGE

Reply
This is most acceptable. Thank you.

OCC: As of my latest MSN covo with Hat, he has decided to leave NS.

OCC: As of my latest MSN covo with Hat, he has decided to leave NS.

OOC:
Damn. And I wanted to have some fun with him.

OCC: As of my latest MSN covo with Hat, he has decided to leave NS.

OOC: Seriously? Wow...

OCC: I am close to getting him to come back.

OCC: I am close to getting him to come back.

OOC: Well, if he doesn't, I claim China. :D

OCC: As of my latest MSN covo with Hat, he has decided to leave NS.

PARTY TIME ! *hands out party equipment*

IC:

Is it possible to acquire footage of the bombing for video games, movies, and other entertainment?

OOC: *Raises glass*

woot

OCC: As of my latest MSN covo with Hat, he has decided to leave NS.
ooc: are you certain of this, TPF? *feels little reason to celebrate, as he feels Hat could have been a better player, if he had put more effort into it*

ooc: are you certain of this, TPF? *feels little reason to celebrate, as he feels Hat could have been a better player, if he had put more effort into it*

OCC: Well, I convinced him to come back. But we will still win, and He's too afraid to loose, I think. Once I said he could have allies, he said he would come back, because now there is hope for winning.

Who's going to ally with Hataria?

Who's going to ally with Hataria?

OCC: Magic Sorcery.

OCC: Magic Sorcery.

OOC:
Magic Sorcery better not use any Fantasy Tech.

OoC: I'll ally with Hataria, I know I'm tiny, and I won't have much time for this due to exams, and my aid will be negligible but I figure he can use all the help he can get?

Anybody mind if I tag along?

OoC: I'll ally with Hataria, I know I'm tiny, and I won't have much time for this due to exams, and my aid will be negligible but I figure he can use all the help he can get?

Anybody mind if I tag along?

Uh, do you really want to do that? You're risking...um...glassing?

OoC: I'll ally with Hataria, I know I'm tiny, and I won't have much time for this due to exams, and my aid will be negligible but I figure he can use all the help he can get?

Anybody mind if I tag along?

Uh, do you really want to do that? You're risking...um...glassing?

OOC:
Yeah. Once were done with Hataria, we'd come after his allies, which would be you.

Uh, do you really want to do that? You're risking...um...glassing?

Sure, but I've read some of your posts, and I respect you guys as writers, I leave it to your discretion what you do to my Nation after.

OOC:
Yeah. Once were done with Hataria, we'd come after his allies, which would be you.

Half the world versus Lifesblood? That's either heroic or comedic depending on your perspective.

Sure, but I've read some of your posts, and I respect you guys as writers, I leave it to your discretion what you do to my Nation after.



Half the world versus Lifesblood? That's either heroic or comedic depending on your perspective.

Ok. I respect your courage in this-you're showing promise alone with promising to aid him. I commend you.

OCC: Lifeblood, if you want to an RP, let me know. :D

Half the world versus Lifesblood? That's either heroic or comedic depending on your perspective.

Why can't it be both.

We commend your bravery, and laugh at the comedy. We support you in a wholly non-binding, non-military, non-fatal to us way.

Ok. I respect your courage in this-you're showing promise alone with promising to aid him. I commend you.

Thanks.

OCC: Lifeblood, if you want to an RP, let me know.

When Hataria returns I'll issue something supportive, and we can begin?

Why can't it be both.

We commend your bravery, and laugh at the comedy. We support you in a wholly non-binding, non-military, non-fatal to us way.

Touché.

[OOC: Well, Lifesblood, I hope you're ready for imminent destruction...'cause that's pretty much what's going to happen here...]

OOC: He's certainly a brave soul. I salute you, like an officer salutes a captain going down with his ship.

[ OOC: Aaah! Hataria, the holy bunny! ]

I could ally with Hataria, but only after he's defeated.

OOC: What?! Hataria's quitting the game? That's a damn shame. His country could have had potential if he have more experience in RPing.

It seems like such a waste to see a large nation like that be deleted. Anyone know his e-mail address? If he's quitting, then maybe I can get his password information. Why, if I had the chance, I could make his country respectable!

OOC: What?! Hataria's quitting the game? That's a damn shame. His country could have had potential if he have more experience in RPing.

It seems like such a waste to see a large nation like that be deleted. Anyone know his e-mail address? If he's quitting, then maybe I can get his password information. Why, if I had the chance, I could make his country respectable!

OOC: Or you could just keep it up and running till he comes back, cuz he probably will. I can't imagine Hataria quitting the game, but I could imagine he'd leave for a bit, and his nation might go poof.

OOC: What?! Hataria's quitting the game? That's a damn shame. His country could have had potential if he have more experience in RPing.

It seems like such a waste to see a large nation like that be deleted. Anyone know his e-mail address? If he's quitting, then maybe I can get his password information.

NO! you try it and I will get The Mods.

GOOD BYE AND I HOPE YOU GET BANNED!

NO! you try it and I will get The Mods.

GOOD BYE AND I HOPE YOU GET BANNED!

Easy there, killer. Did you read my post carefully enough? I never said that I'd steal your account information from you. I said that I would ask for your permission first. Big difference between those actions. Only one of them would get me banned.

Hmmz


If Hataria is quitting MT/PMT, then maybe I should open up a section of my nation to FT to go to war with him.


Anyone know where I can find a good FT storefront?

OOC: I don't know many FT storefronts..Look up Star Forge storefront, I think that one is FT. Mostly, people just make their own tech or use a pre-existing one.

If you want any help or anything with FT, feel free to let me know.

*cough*

Link in sig. We're always looking to drum up business.

OOC: I feel so sorry for everyone in future tech now.

OOC: I feel so sorry for everyone in future tech now.
ooc: Slightly harsh..He might change for the better with the move of setting..

OOC:

If Hataria is quitting MT/PMT...

Then we won.

Well done folks. However, I don't believe that simply ending the RP with one person quitting forever is good enough. Even if Hataria isn't doing the MT/PMT thing anymore, I still believe that there should be IC consequences.

Therefore, I believe that an epilogue is in order...

IC:

It was over. The Beast was dead.

From all across the world, nations came together and with their combined strength, they finally finished off the bloated, corrupt Empire of Hataria.

The long and bitter conflict was over. The Allies had won.

After the loss of eight Hatarian fleets at the Battle of Bayport, Allied victory against the Imperial Republic was practically assured. The homeland had been practically wiped off the map, its capital city, Tangalee, completely destroyed. Empress Nehrenia (sic), and her entire government had been killed in the fighting.

And with the fall of the homeland, the colonies were quickly overrun. From Manchuria, the forces of Demon 666 swept aside the Hatarian army. They moved down the coastline knocking away all opposition in their path. Beijing, Nanjing, Shanghai, Canton and Hong Kong fell to Demonic forces, as did the whole of Southeast China.

Further inland, the combined forces of Atopiana and Skgorria came in through Mongolia and swept aside all resistance. All of inland China was added to their great empire, including the Provinces of Sinkiang, Tibet, Tsinghai, Kansu, Sikang, Yunnan, Ningxia Hui, and the western section of the Mongolian Inner Autonomous Region.

A total collapse of the Hatarian power structure was taking place all over the world. Nowhere else was that more apparent in Hatarian Spain, where Siriusa, a relatively young but promising nation, came in took the colony for itself. The Canary and Balearic Island chains fell in quick order.

As for the Principality of Wilhelmsborough, after the surrender of the eight fleets at Bayport, the ships of Armada One and the 4th and 5th Fleets sailed back to the Atlantic. The 4th Fleet launched an attack on Hatarian Cuba, while the 5th Fleet began attacking Hatarian Algeria.

Armada One on the other hand, launched an invasion of the undefended city of Rio de Janeiro. While Cuba and Algeria have fallen to the Principality, the attack on Rio is still ongoing. The rest of Brazil has yet to be claimed by any of the allies. Bouvet Island and Morocco were also unclaimed...

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Hataria: Good luck with Future Tech RPing! The future is bound to be full of all sorts of amazing technology, which means that you can come up with all sorts of incredible things without being bound to the annoying restrictions of Modern and Post Modern Technologies. :) Trust me, there are times in MT when I've wanted a lasergun myself!

Enjoy yourself, and have fun!

Here's what the new map would look like under the changes listed above.

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/5153/nationstatespoliticalmaos7.png (http://imageshack.us)

As you can see, there are still some Hatarian colonies that have yet to be claimed. I'll leave it up to the rest of you to carve up what's left.

Official Communique from Atopian Government to Victorious Allies:

With victory firmly in our grasp, the nation of Atopiana would like to thank and remember all those who fought alongside us, before us, and with us, to defeat the Hatarian menace.

In the light of the significant Pact of Iron contribution to the victory, we would like to request a small corridor of land from our new holdings in Western China to the seaboard, where we can construct a port.

This should not in any way be seen as an act of aggression. All we are asking is the ability to trade with, and defend, our new territories. We can do this much more easily if we have sea access and a port.

We enclose the new borders to take this corridor into account.

We do not feel that this is too much to ask, and respectfully request that the Demonic government accept an equal sector of our territory in Central China in exchange. This swap can be seen on our enclosed map - the lines in white are the old borders, the lines in black the new borders as proposed by the Pact of Iron.

http://i25.photobucket.com/albums/c51/GenSteiner/SeaCorridor.png

OOC: I'll wrap things up then for the Pact of Iron - I know we were a late entrant into this conflict, but I would like to congratulate the other combatants on a brilliantly executed war and an excellent RP.

Atopian-Skgorrian China

The Atopian-Skgorrian onslaught had come at an oppurtune moment...for the Pact of Iron and the enemies of Hataria. The first wave of nearly six million Atopians and Skgorrians, including an Atopian Air Assault Army and the Skgorrian SS Battlegroup Firestorm, had stormed across the borders from their Mongolian stronghold and plunged into China like a dagger in the back of Hataria, clashing against the minimal Hatarian resistance on that front. Punching through the defences with the deployment of Godhammer tactical nuclear cannons, the first wave held their positions and a fresh wave of Atopian and Skgorrian troops moved forward. This second wave was predominantly motorised, and Hatarian generals had to cope with fast-moving formations of mechanised infantry and light armoured fighting vehicles swarming behind their lines, attacking rear echelon troops, blowing up supply dumps and airfields and disrupting the move of reinforcements and supplies. All the while the first wave continued to pressure and drive back the Hatarians, and a third wave was being mobilised to deliver the killing blow when Hatarian resistance inexplicably collapsed. Seizing the moment, Storm-General Beckenbauer boldly ordered his forces to race across China as far as possible to capture as much Hatarian territory as possible. For this task, Atopian Air Mobile and Skgorrian Air Guard Paratroops were essential and valuable.

News of the formal end of the war was greeted with much cheer by the troops. They knew their task was not done, for there was still the question of pacifying the Hatarian populace, whom it was hoped would not display the same reckless and warlike tendencies of their leaders. The Pact of Iron would not be totaly relying on hopes however, for the men and women of Special Action Division and of the Unorthodox Measures Forces would at last have another chance to do what they did best...

Message From Storm-General Beckenbauer, CinC Kampfgruppe 'Totalerkrieg'

The mission of the Pact of Iron Expeditionary Force was completed today at 18:00 PM Skgorrian Time

ooc: Slightly harsh..He might change for the better with the move of setting..

OOC: Trust me, not much to look forward to in that department. See The Casseopian Galaxy in the days before it was handed over to TIOR. If anything, worse.

Ok, if you guys want CHina, I call Brazil.

OOC: Someone should let me know if they're gonna try to occupy the military facilities I abandoned in Hataria, because if so, they're going to recieve a nasty suprise... >_>

OCC: I thought you blew up the fusion reactors.

OCC: I thought you blew up the fusion reactors.

OOC: Read my post carefully. The fusion reactors that were blown up were ones used to provide power to Hataria's grid and the ones in the offshore defense platforms, not the ones in the land bases.

**OOC:
I was just wondering how one would get involved in this RP....

OOC: I feel so sorry for everyone in future tech now.

OOC: Tellin' me. I'm in FT along with PMT and MT. This doesn't help at all.

Mind if I take Western Sahara and Morroco? I need a Mediterreanean outlet.

[OOC: I call Morocco and Western Sahara!]

[OOC: Dammit, one minute late. Amazon, do you mind if I get one or part of one of them?]

OOC: If he really is gone, I've got dibs on Morocco.

But I kinda feel bad for him.

Damn, nevermind. Too late.

[OOC: Didn't he have Gibraltar? If so, I'll take that...]

OOC: I thought Questers claimed Gibralter

[OOC: Scratch that, then...]

Here's what the new map would look like under the changes listed above.

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/5153/nationstatespoliticalmaos7.png (http://imageshack.us)

As you can see, there are still some Hatarian colonies that have yet to be claimed. I'll leave it up to the rest of you to carve up what's left.
[OOC: While I'm neutral to this affair, I had to say something on your map...

First off, my nation isn't just eastern and central Indochina. It's the whole Southeast Asia itself. And secondly, you spelled it wrong...it's "Southeast Asia", with a space, not 'Southeastasia'. Please don't do that again.]

OOC: I thought Questers claimed Gibralter

OOC: As of the Xharn thing, I'm still occupying Gibraltar (and have a big weapons platform anchored in the strait), so until someone boots me out, I'm still there...

How did Amazon get my little patch-o-land (New Guinea)?

Oh, right, alternate realities... That was Hataria's New Guinea...

OOC: Tagging for victory post.
Glad this finished before May.
Oh, and even though Hataria didn't own it, I'm annexing Taiwan. Allright?

Here's what the new map would look like under the changes listed above.

http://img240.imageshack.us/img240/5153/nationstatespoliticalmaos7.png (http://imageshack.us)

As you can see, there are still some Hatarian colonies that have yet to be claimed. I'll leave it up to the rest of you to carve up what's left.

OOC: Any chance you could incorporate my colonial territory into that map? I modified an earlier map you had (http://www.maj.com/gallery/Errikland/NS/Maps/wrldmp.png). My colonial territory is in dark green.

OOC: You make me Sick, Celabrateing me being Forced off MT/PMT by you Bullies. You are sick, wrong and should be ashame of your selves. I Hope someone Deletes your Nations. You are nothing more then Bullies, and will always be bullies.

OOC: You make me Sick, Celabrateing me being Forced off MT/PMT by you Bullies. You are sick, wrong and should be ashame of your selves. I Hope someone Deletes your Nations. You are nothing more then Bullies, and will always be bullies.

OOC: Hey, calm down. I completely understand that you feel victimized, but they did give you plenty of support and chances to learn. And, besides, you don't have to leave; if the war goes all of the way against you, even to an occupation of your nation by hostile forces, which is not completely inevitable at this point, you could still continue to RP, and earn back your independence, and be stronger than before.

You make me Sick, Celabrateing me being Forced off MT/PMT by you Bullies. You are sick, wrong and should be ashame of your selves. I Hope someone Deletes your Nations. You are nothing more then Bullies, and will always be bullies.

I believe half the reason people are happy to see you leave MT/PMT is they won't have to put up with this namecalling and whining habit of yours.

you could still continue to RP, and earn back your independence, and be stronger than before.

Hataria, if you feel like sticking around then I am more than willing to RP with you in my occupation.

Yep, I just don't like Hataria because every time I see him he is so unprofessional.
Hat might be good if he had the chance and will to learn, but he has been given plenty of chances.

(ooc: what is that map for? is it for NS earth or Earth (insert number here)? I would be interested in looking in to it)

Although it might look like a seperate Earth, this is in fact NS Earth. Its just that Hataria has a silly number of claims on countries in the real world, so we're all divvying up his empire assuming he doesn't come back. What part of the Hatarian empire did you want?

Ill take Brazil I might expand in to unclaimed territory from there .

Ill take Brazil I might expand in to unclaimed territory from there .

Well I'm not the umpire here or anything, go and RP for it :p . You might face some competition though...

Hataria, if you feel like sticking around then I am more than willing to RP with you in my occupation.

Ditto. Of course, by 'occupation' we mean 'hideous genocide' but what the hell. :p

(Well ill wait to see who else claims it because ill be happy to start an rp over it, any takers to an rp about it?)

Ill take Brazil I might expand in to unclaimed territory from there .

Just a reminder: Rio de Janeiro is part of Wilhelmsborough now. That's my only claim in Brazil.

I'm sorry if any of you had your eyes on it. But once things have settled down, I'll invite all of you to party. There will be plenty of drinking and women! Brazilian women mind you!

Remaining Territorial Claims:

Monacco:
-Asgarnieu
-Amazonian Beasts

Western Sahara:
-Asgarnieu
-Amazonian Beasts

Taiwan:
-Demon 666

Brazil: (Carve it into pieces. It's big enough for everyone)
-Ezaltia

Bouvet Island:

Demon 666 has yet to respond to Atopiana's request for a corridor to the sea in exchange for some of his western territory.

Remember folks: Be diplomatic with other nations regarding which territories you wish claim!

Also, working on a revised map, with Errikland's colonies and a more accurate version of Southeast Asia (;))'s lands.

Just a reminder: Rio de Janeiro is part of Wilhelmsborough now. That's my only claim in Brazil.

I'm sorry if any of you had your eyes on it. But once things have settled down, I'll invite all of you to party. There will be plenty of drinking and women! Brazilian women mind you!

No biggie its big enough for both, if you want we can start rps now, since we'll be sharing a border, become allies perhaps...

Ditto. Of course, by 'occupation' we mean 'hideous genocide' but what the hell. :p

:eek: What on earth do you mean? ;)

Ill take Brazil I might expand in to unclaimed territory from there .

Dude, please don't. I claimed Brazil first, and you didn't even do anything to help bring Hataria down.

Yeah the territories in this thread are pretty much only for the people who participated in the Hatarian War.

well its up to whom ever decides it to deny or accept.. Just a note i have had struggles with hat before many of you were even around on ns.

Yeah the territories in this thread are pretty much only for the people who participated in the Hatarian War.

To the victor, the spoils :cool:

To the victor, the spoils :cool:

I have to agree. Unless any of the other allies say otherwise, Ezaltia will be given control of Brazil (sans Rio).

Genocide? Errr... I meant... free biscuits for all!

Amazonian Beasts: If you claim Morocco, then may I have the enclaves of Ceuta and Melilla?

If you do take Morocco however, I must recommend that Asgarnieu at least be given control of the Western Sahara. It's only fair.

The War was Over.
As the Hatarian fleet steamed toward Korea, they were met by the entire Imperial Navy, and a majority of the IAF. The last major Hatarian fleet was annihlated under a tidal wave of planes, and the victory ceded control of the sea to the Empire.
The Hatarian troops had become incredibly demoralized. Over 3 million Hatarian soldiers had died in Manchuria, in comparison with less than 160,000 Imperial deaths. The massive difference in casualties, combined with the fact that all the Hatarian army had gained was about 200 square miles of worthless steppe land, meant that the Hatarian army at this point was massively demoralized. But 2 weeks after the successful completion of Iron Liberation, the Hatarian captured a spy that had been sneaking around. Forced to talk, he revealed that Imperial forces were preparing a major offensive along the coast, causing the Hatarians to get ready and set up defenses for the attack.
But the spy was a trap.
6 days after he was caught, 3 million Imperial soldiers launched an all-out assault in the Western steppes, catching Hataria completely and totally off-guard. They overran the puny defenses, hit the Hatarian Army in the East, and surrounded them, causing over 5.5 million Hatarian to surrender.
If that wasn’t enough, within the next few days, the Army also hurled an amphibious assault on Hong Kong, and 700,000 Marines trooped into the city. After 3 weeks of heavy fighting, the soldiers borke out, and marched north to link up with the main invasion force.
The Hatarian Army was now in total collapse. Retreat turned into rout, and the Hatarians fled south. Many of them made a last strand at Beijing, which was put under siege for 2months. While over 3 million Imperial soldiers died, the city fell, Nehrennia was killed, and Crown Prince Asakura was taken prisoner. While the Army continued south, an orgy of destruction and rape, fuelled by Imperial hatred for the people who had tried twice to destroy them, raged for weeks.
While Hataria’s backbone was broken, the armies linked up, and proceeded to secure what was left of the dying land. While the Hatarian Army made their last stand in Canton, Tsingtao, Nanjing and Shanghai all fell with little fighting.
After 7 months, it was over. The combined armies reached the Hatarian-Southeastasia border. Hataria was crushed. 35 million Imperial soldiers had died, butr over 239 million Hatarians had been killed-whether by battle, whether by cold executions (for over 70% of the prisoners were taken were shot), or whether by the destruction that accompanied the fall of a hard-fought city. Eastern China and Taiwan had fallen to the Empire.

When the news of the victory broke out, Tenarius announced a 2-day celebration. He didn’t have to. Businesses closed voluntarily as people celebrated in the streets, hugged strangers, and kissed anyone they could find on the cheek. Some rowdy citizens fired guns in celebration, and while most businesses remained closed, bars were full, and the Imperial Police were busy arresting people for drunkenness and disturbing the peace.
As the celebrations lasted all day and went deep into the night, Arthur Tenarius held a glass of 295-year olds wine. It had been corked the year that Herennius the Great, the First Imperator, had been crowned. As Tenarius stood, his marshalls stood at the same table, holding glasses of the same bottle.
“To the Empire.”
The Marshalls responded by lifting their glasses.
“To the Empire”
And they all drank, in honor of the great victory.
4 hours later, after detailing how the Occupation would work, Tenarius stook in his private room, watching the lights and hearing yells and cheers and the occasional report of a semi-auto rifle being fired in celebration.
The Imperator smiled. Almost all of his goals had been accomplished. Tomorrow he would give a public announcement that he had no interest in further conquests, and he meant it. Moreover, he had decided to try Asakura for war crimes; it was a shame that Nehernnia had died in the flames of Beijing, but he would try who he could. And finally, there was one last campaign, against a country against whom he had long hated and had been equally hated.
Groznyj.
“They’ll be next….. someday…”

OOC: Anyone feel like having a war crimes trial for the captured Hatarian leadership?

OOC: Oooh I know! I'm taking the moon base!

I'm not looking for the whole thing, I just would like at least Morocco or Western Sahara. If Amazon wants them both, I'll settle for part of either. Ceuta and Melilla should be ceded to Wilhelmsborough.

That's my take on the Mediterranian zone...

OCC: According to Hat, you are about to take over some dude's territory who has a virus that zombified you and is also allied to Questers and AMF. Apparently, he is saying they may go to war with us.

OCC: According to Hat, you are about to take over some dude's territory who has a virus that zombified you and is also allied to Questers and AMF. Apparently, he is saying they may go to war with us.

OOC:
Sounds suspicious to me...

OOC:
Sounds suspicious to me...

Him:http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Itinerate_Tree_Dweller

Him:http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Itinerate_Tree_Dweller

OOC:
ITD isn't a warmonger. Hat is trying to scare you.

OOC:
ITD isn't a warmonger. Hat is trying to scare you.

OCC: I never said he was, I was just passing along what Hat said.

OOC: Anyone feel like having a war crimes trial for the captured Hatarian leadership?

OOC: Yeh, I'll go in for that. :)

The other thing is, have you considered our offer of land in Central China for a corridor to the sea? You'd get about two or three times the amount of territory in exchange for the sea corridor...

**Snip**

OOC: Anyone feel like having a war crimes trial for the captured Hatarian leadership?

OOC: Id be happy to host a War Crimes Trial?

Here are the most recent updates to the NS map.

http://img292.imageshack.us/img292/9955/nationstatespoliticalmacz4.png (http://imageshack.us)

Atopiana and Demon 666 have yet to come to an agreement on a corridor to the sea.

Asgarnieu and Amazonian Beasts have yet to come to an agreement on who gets Morocco or the Western Sahara.

Either way, Wilhelmsborough gets the enclaves of Ceuta and Melilla.

And nobody has claimed Bouvet Island (that small speck of red below Africa).

EDIT: One last important thing: My forces captured Crown Princess Galaxia as she was attempting to flee the fighting at Bayport.

OOC:

I know I wasn't precisely in this was, but since Hataria is not going to be RPing in NS MT/PMT anymore, and apparently people are grabbing his old stuff, can I grab Western Sahara, and (more importantly) some prominent Hatarians?

OOC: well you know I did ask for some territory and they turned me down so if they say sure to you I will fight for Brazil )

Wilhelmsborough, can you PLEASE thumbnail that image? Having the entire threat stretched off screen is really annoying.

OOC: Yeh, I'll go in for that. :)

The other thing is, have you considered our offer of land in Central China for a corridor to the sea? You'd get about two or three times the amount of territory in exchange for the sea corridor...

Oh, sorry. Didn't notice that.
Tell you what, We'll offer you the corridor in exchange for 600 billion dollars. You can keep Central China.

OOC:

I know I wasn't precisely in this was, but since Hataria is not going to be RPing in NS MT/PMT anymore, and apparently people are grabbing his old stuff, can I grab Western Sahara, and (more importantly) some prominent Hatarians?

[OOC: Already claimed by Amazon and myself, homeboy. Sorry...]

Oh, sorry. Didn't notice that.
Tell you what, We'll offer you the corridor in exchange for 600 billion dollars. You can keep Central China.

600 billion? Done. The money has been paid in one lump sum by the Atopian Treasury. We thank you for your business and your allegiance in time of war.

Remaining Territorial Claims:

Monacco:
-Asgarnieu
-Amazonian Beasts

Western Sahara:
-Asgarnieu
-Amazonian Beasts

Taiwan:
-Demon 666

Brazil: (Carve it into pieces. It's big enough for everyone)
-Ezaltia

Bouvet Island:

Demon 666 has yet to respond to Atopiana's request for a corridor to the sea in exchange for some of his western territory.

Remember folks: Be diplomatic with other nations regarding which territories you wish claim!

Also, working on a revised map, with Errikland's colonies and a more accurate version of Southeast Asia (;))'s lands.

Thanks.

OOC: War crimes trial sounds good - should we try the government in the shattered ruins of the former Hatarian capital? :D

What format should we have for the trial? I vote a tribunal in which each member of the Allies can place a member, though I guess some of you boring democracies are going to want a judge and a *real* jury with a *real* defense lawyer...:rolleyes: :p

OOC: Could I get in on the trial perhaps act as a Neutral Member of the Panel or act as the Defending Lawyer or Proesecution it would be good for you PR?

OOC: Could I get in on the trial perhaps act as a Neutral Member of the Panel or act as the Defending Lawyer or Proesecution it would be good for you PR?

OOC: We just crushed the most agressive and dangerous power in the world, how much more PR do we need? :p

I have no real objections to non-Coalition nations participating in the trial, we shall see what others say.

OOC: We just crushed the most agressive and dangerous power in the world, how much more PR do we need? :p

I have no real objections to non-Coalition nations participating in the trial, we shall see what others say.
With that in mind, I might want to edge in here since I'm a de jure remaining but de facto rebel (since I neither went along on Neherenia's mad crusades or tolerated her attemped overthrow of an ally you see above...:rolleyes:) Hatarian Confederacy member. Might I do the defense proper or assist such in some capacity, since I'm also among those preferring humiliation to extermination here?

You may have been allied with Hataria, but considering your good behavior, we might be willing to make an acception. Renounce your alliance with Hataria, and publically denounce the former empire. If you do this, then the Principality of Wilhelmsborough will forgive you at the very least.

You may have been allied with Hataria, but considering your good behavior, we might be willing to make an acception. Renounce your alliance with Hataria, and publically denounce the former empire. If you do this, then the Principality of Wilhelmsborough will forgive you at the very least.
59587
Official USSW Resignation from and Denunciation of the Hatarian Confederacy, an Imperialist Tool of Naked Aggression and Control...
Very well, consider Hatarian aggression and aggrandizement formally renounced on our part. This needed doing anyway, and now is certainly a good time seeing as far more worthwhile alliances such as the Dominion Commonwealth, that we have honored through our ignorance of the Hatarians and their utter incompetence in slient favor of our Wanderjarian brethren, have triumphed.
As was said when we applied (in a fit of poor judgment I can scarce believe I succumbed to, out of misplaced sympathy mostly...), we made the alliance back during the end of the Moroccan War when Xharn and others were issuing threats that we felt could not pass unprotested. However, it proved a most injudicious deal even if we were never called upon to support Hataria as-such; since shortly after Hataria attempted to impose its will upon our ally Vetaka, backing the Nationalist Party and their insurgent arm in their recent elections against the Freedom Party, whom we thus backed against the interests of the Hatarian Confederacy. Their interference stopped, but for some odd reason probably pertaining to their utter isolation they preferred to keep us "on the list" of their Confederates, despite our fairly-naked rebellion against the Imperial Republic's interests at the time and even until now.
If this prior defiance of Hatarian imperialism doesn't count as renunciation, to say nothing of complete uninvolvement in the late wars of aggression, we again supply this statement to that effect. Our only desire in this matter is that the allies proceed with the trial of the truly implicated fairly, and without genocidal intent. Aside from that, frankly, we could care less what happens to so patently incompetent and delusional a regime as ruled the late and unlamented Imperial Republic.

Sincerely,
Carolinus Horridus
Commander-in-Chief, USSW War Office
Party Secretary, Wagdoggie Revolutionary Party
General Secretary, USSW Revolutionary Command Council
Lord Governor, United Socialist States of Wagdog

OOC: Yeah, your trial won't fly. Taking the land of someone who's leaving NS for a while is iffy enough, but saying what happens to their characters is definitely a godmod.

OOC Axis Nova did you see the thread that Hataria said he no long playing MT at all

OOC Axis Nova did you see the thread that Hataria said he no long playing MT at all

OOC: That's irrelevant. His characters are still his property and any final disposition of them is up to him and not to other people.

OOC: That's irrelevant. His characters are still his property and any final disposition of them is up to him and not to other people.
OOC
i didn't ask this just ask if you seen it

OOC: That's irrelevant. His characters are still his property and any final disposition of them is up to him and not to other people.

OOC: He effectively surrendered that right and claim when he said he was quitting MT.

OOC: He effectively surrendered that right and claim when he said he was quitting MT.
ooc: Actually AN is absolutely right. Irregardless of whether or not he may use them in the future, those chars are still his property.

Hey there, I couldn't help but come around here. As a former enemy of Hataria, Coreworlds has always been wanting to kick its ass. The only thing we regret is that we couldn't participate, but we had other concerns.

As it is, we would like to claim some land. Maybe in China or Bouvet Island (the tiny speck below Africa)?

And ye Gods! Thumbnail that map!

OOC Axis Nova did you see the thread that Hataria said he no long playing MT at all

Hataria did meantion the possability of coming back, in about 2 years.

Abandoning an ongoing thread invites hangers-on to finish it, or ignore it.

Ad if they finish it, Hataria doesn't have to really abide strictly to what they RP when he gets back.

I'd imagine his FT intro would have a brief 'historical' note on what happened.

Asgarnieu: Go ahead with Western Sahara. I just wanted a Mediterranean port (which Morocco provides).

Yoink! Thanks a bunch.

Map updated with all the latest changes.

http://img248.imageshack.us/img248/73/nationstatespoliticalmarj7.png

Asgarnieu, since I'm tired of waiting for someone to claim it, I'm giving Bouvet Island to you.

Thanks. Everything's finally carved up...what now?

Put the surviving leadership on trial, whilst the victors pat themselves on the back?

Put the surviving leadership on trial, whilst the victors pat themselves on the back?

and that is were you will fail, since I am not doing MT/PMT till much later, you can't use ANY of my Characters. Also Prince Barbarossa and Asuka were Just doing their Job, and not any Trumped up War Crimes, Nadia is in The Nation of Magic Sorcery were you can't touch her, Galaxia is MIA and Neherenia is Dead thank to you all.

sorry to Burst you Bubble.

and that is were you will fail, since I am not doing MT/PMT till much later, you can't use ANY of my Characters. Also Prince Barbarossa and Asuka were Just doing their Job, and not any Trumped up War Crimes, Nadia is in The Nation of Magic Sorcery were you can't touch her, Galaxia is MIA and Neherenia is Dead thank to you all.

sorry to Burst you Bubble.

Well, Joseph Goebbels was just doing his job for Nazi Germany, too...

and that is were you will fail, since I am not doing MT/PMT till much later, you can't use ANY of my Characters. Also Prince Barbarossa and Asuka were Just doing their Job, and not any Trumped up War Crimes, Nadia is in The Nation of Magic Sorcery were you can't touch her, Galaxia is MIA and Neherenia is Dead thank to you all.

sorry to Burst you Bubble.

Well, when you do come back, you'll have a hell of a time trying to get your lands back. Also, if it turns out that Galaxia survived, you'll be stamped with an IGNORE so hard you'll be shitting ink for weeks.

We can still try and convict those people in absentia, then carry out the sentence if they ever show their faces.

This way we can reveal the deluded and psychotic nature to the now-annexed Hatarian populace, reveal just what utter idiots they were and speed up the integration process of Hatarians into our own dominions :)

We can still try and convict those people in absentia, then carry out the sentence if they ever show their faces.

This way we can reveal the deluded and psychotic nature to the now-annexed Hatarian populace, reveal just what utter idiots they were and speed up the integration process of Hatarians into our own dominions :)

Given the content of your post, I can only assume that all you'll be revealing is how good a show you can put on, rather than how decent a trial.

Consider the following:

-Hataria isn't a member of the UN, and for that matter, hasn't signed anything concerning the conduct of it's troops. Therefore, anything that was done was legal by Hatarian law unless you can prove otherwise. For that matter, much of what Hataria does can be defended by pointing out the actions of it's enemies, which in most cases far exceed what Hataria itself does.
-You'd need to establish how exactly you have legal jurisdiction over Hatarians. For that matter, you'll have to do this in a Hatarian court if you want it to look remotely legitimate.
-Telling a conquered populace that they are stupid and deluded will make them hate you and rebel, not quietly fold into your nation like sheep. The only integration you'll get if you take this course of action is that of bullets into flesh.

I'm with AN on this. We'll have to wait.

Putting Hataria's leadership on trial In Absentia is just not feasible at this time.

That's why I got out of the U.N., I didn't want my troops to be held back by convetions and prohibitions, etc...

The UN does suck, to agree with the last two. I'd stay outta it.

We can still try and convict those people in absentia, then carry out the sentence if they ever show their faces.


Good, More to show to the Mods if you try it. and that an't a Threat, it is a Promise. Do anything about Hataria with me not on MT/PMT, I will Ignore the ones who do it.

What are you talking about? The mods can't do anything about a trial! It doesn't matter whether you are there or not. If we all want a trial of your leadership in absentia, we can. It seems like you are the one harrassing us.

Good, More to show to the Mods if you try it. and that an't a Threat, it is a Promise. Do anything about Hataria with me not on MT/PMT, I will Ignore the ones who do it.

Hataria. How many times do I have to point this out. IF YOU USE THE MODS AS A WEAPON, IT'S A WARNABLE OFFENCE! Do I have to spell it out fo.r you or something, or do I have to just notify the moderation about you constantly threatening Mod action on people?

Jeeze, grow up already

The Mods don't generally intervene in RP matters. They are there only to prevent posting of obscene, illegal, threatening, malicious, defamatory, or spam material.

I suppose you could argue that repeated godmoding against your nation could be construed as malicious if intended to get at you OOCly, but somehow I don't think the Mods will read it that way. Godmoding can also become a moderation case if it escalates to spam.

OOC: For once, I agree with AN here. I don't think putting Hatarian leadership on trial will really do anything without his participation, because we all know it would be a biased roleplay.

But still, Hataria, that doesn't give you the rights to threaten us with moderation, especially after they have warned you about that so many times.

and last but not least,

Also, if it turns out that Galaxia survived, you'll be stamped with an IGNORE so hard you'll be shitting ink for weeks.

Rofl

Atopiana will be trying the Hatarian people en masse and the leadership in absentia in order to bring justice to the world.

We expect to reach a verdict of "Guilty as charged" and will be holding closed-session courts from now until this time next week (if it takes that long).

Once the verdict has been reached we will decide what sentence to issue.

Atopiana will be trying the Hatarian people en masse and the leadership in absentia in order to bring justice to the world.

We expect to reach a verdict of "Guilty as charged" and will be holding closed-session courts from now until this time next week (if it takes that long).

Once the verdict has been reached we will decide what sentence to issue.

Ah, another person with no understanding of how trials work who just wants to put on a show in an attempt to make themselves look good.

Feel free to try to prove how the populace of a non-democratic state are in any way responsible for the acts of their leadership.

It is not often that the goverment of Carbandia agrees with our esteemed colleagues in Axis Nova, but we do, in this case.

This sort of behavior is not the way to integrate people into your nation, and has been known to come back to bite you on the ass later.

It is not often that the goverment of Carbandia agrees with our esteemed colleagues in Axis Nova, but we do, in this case.

This sort of behavior is not the way to integrate people into your nation, and has been known to come back to bite you on the ass later.

"This sort of behaviour" is intended to get Hataria's goat OOC, and the people behaving in such a way havn't thought further ahead than that.

"This sort of behaviour" is intended to get Hataria's goat OOC, and the people behaving in such a way havn't thought further ahead than that.
Happens to be that I agree with you, mate..But it also happens that they are leaving a opening for a ic revolt, some time in the future..

Not that that might entirely be a bad thing, as it's a opening for Hataria to return through, in the future..Assuming he wants to, of course. (note that the previos post was ic)

Ah, another person with no understanding of how trials work who just wants to put on a show in an attempt to make themselves look good.

Show trials are incredibly simple: you find the guilty party, demonstrate to the populace that they are guilty, and liquidate them. How is that hard to understand? Honestly. As for making ourselves look good, the Atopian government and Primo give not a fig for the concerns of the world at large.

Feel free to try to prove how the populace of a non-democratic state are in any way responsible for the acts of their leadership.

They failed to revolt. Therefore they are responsible. All Hatarians within the borders of the Pact of Iron's territory and under Atopian jurisdiction can expect to receive punishment as ordered by the Central Courts.

This sort of behavior is not the way to integrate people into your nation, and has been known to come back to bite you on the ass later.

"Integrate"? Why would we want to integrate with scum and guttertrash? We will cleanse our lands as effectively as possible of the guilty parties.

Show trials are incredibly simple: you find the guilty party, demonstrate to the populace that they are guilty, and liquidate them. How is that hard to understand? Honestly. As for making ourselves look good, the Atopian government and Primo give not a fig for the concerns of the world at large.
Typical Fascism. What is equally incredibly simple is this: the rest of the world sees that your trials are nothing more than a pro forma method to reach a predetermined guilty verdict, and that said verdict is merely the justification for a predetermined sentence (almost invariably death), and thus that your government is quite callous towards both Human life and principles of Justice. We stayed out of this war despite our obligations under the Hatarian Confederacy because of our better judgment than the Neherenia regime. And we will continue to avoid war; however, you may learn if you do this just what the 'concerns of the world at large' can do to your nations interests when trifled with.
They failed to revolt. Therefore they are responsible. All Hatarians within the borders of the Pact of Iron's territory and under Atopian jurisdiction can expect to receive punishment as ordered by the Central Courts.
Perhaps justifiable in theory; however, Hatarian law was based upon a mishmash of both standard legal theory and Divine Right theory from prior ages. Hence, I doubt the Hatarian people particularly saw a reason to revolt, as the concept of the Galaxia Dynasty's leadership ever possibly being "wrong" probably never occurred to them coherently. Also, your attempt to apply ancient Corruption of the Blood theory, although potentially a remedy to the first problem, is only going to harm the trials' standing in most other nations' eyes still-further; since hardly anyone accepts the legitimacy of the old saw that "The sins of the father are to be laid upon the child..." anymore.
"Integrate"? Why would we want to integrate with scum and guttertrash? We will cleanse our lands as effectively as possible of the guilty parties.
Then listen to us. Read our renunciation of Hatarian Confederacy membership VERY carefully, and you shall learn of how we believe these trials must proceed if we are to regard them as legitimate.
Right now, frankly, your government is satisfying none of these conditions; and is inviting, at best, severe and material diplomatic protest of such patently genocidal machinations. At worst, it invites possible resistance and collaboration by other nations with those Hatarian officials remaining abroad therein, plus potential retaliation by whatever means deemed appropriate from the remaining Hatarian allies; such as Allanea, or notably Vault 10's Aerospace Logistics Corporation which, as far as we recall, retains its Hatarian Confederacy membership.
You may have the physical power of occupation and armament in the bulk of the ex-Hatarian lands, but that can be easily countered if enough voices are raised against you loudly enough, and enough of your allies decide to abandon you in deference to them; not to mention what happens when the possibility of rebellion as a united force ever should occur to the Hatarian people. Consider that carefully, please; before embarking on potentially as damaging a course for your true interests, out of vengeance, as Hataria itself ever undertook out of ill consideration.

Most Sincerely,
Carolinus Horridus
Commander-in-Chief, USSW War Office
Party Secretary, Wagdoggie Revolutionary Party
General Secretary, USSW Revolutionary Command Council
Lord Governor, United Socialist States of Wagdog

Congratulations, you've successfully identified the Atopian Union of Fascists, who run the Fascist Union of Atopiana, as being Fascist. We applaud your nation's educational attainment standards.

We spit upon the notions of 'human rights' - there are no rights, only actions carried out through strength of will. You stayed out of war because your nation saw that it was weaker than the anti-Hatarian coalition. Now that war is ended, Hataria is no more, and Atopiana is stronger than ever.

Our actions within our territory are of no concern of yours. Your law has no writ within our borders, as ours has none within yours. Stay out of that which does not concern you and you will continue to be at peace. Your renunciation has saved you from extermination, it will not stay our hand if you continue to insist on interfering in our affairs.

As the glorious Marinetti said:

"Beauty exists only in struggle. There is no masterpiece that has not an aggressive character. Poetry must be a violent assault on the forces of the unknown, to force them to bow before man. We want to glorify war - the only cure for the world - militarism, patriotism, the destructive gesture of the anarchists, the beautiful ideas which kill, and contempt for woman."

Continue to deny us our right - gained through force of will and power of arms - to deal with those Hatarians found within our borders as we see fit, and you will know what it means to be exterminated.

We fear not your allies. We will not cast the first shot, but by all the gods we will fire the last.

Arthur Tenarius, Imperator, has decided to agree with what Axis Nova and such are saying.
If they oppose our having a trial, so be it. We shall simply have Asakura imprisoned indefinitely. If any Hatarian revolt occurs, we shall have him executed immeadiately. That is all.

Today, orders of the Occupation of Hataria territories were distributed to soldiers throughout China and Taiwan.
"All local Hatarian leadership is to be tried by Imperial courts. They will be given a chance to explain their actions- if not deemed sufficient by the judges, they will be sentenced to either execution or hard labor in the Northeast.
If found to be loyal, they will be required to swear an oath of loyalty to the Emperor, and penalty for breaking the oath is death.
If the Hatarian government ran any businesses, they are to be immeadiately broken up and sold. The funds will be used to be repair infrastructural damage inflicted by Hatarian bombers.
15,000 Imperial soldiers are to be stationed in all the major Hatarian cities. They are to watch order, and make sure that the laws are not broken."

Meanwhile, the Presence, the Imperial Secret Police began to descend on the Hatarian held lands. They would watch, and wait for those who advocated rebellion. Dissenters would be allowed- rebels, crushed.

Congratulations, you've successfully identified the Atopian Union of Fascists, who run the Fascist Union of Atopiana, as being Fascist. We applaud your nation's educational attainment standards.

We spit upon the notions of 'human rights' - there are no rights, only actions carried out through strength of will. You stayed out of war because your nation saw that it was weaker than the anti-Hatarian coalition. Now that war is ended, Hataria is no more, and Atopiana is stronger than ever.

Our actions within our territory are of no concern of yours. Your law has no writ within our borders, as ours has none within yours. Stay out of that which does not concern you and you will continue to be at peace. Your renunciation has saved you from extermination, it will not stay our hand if you continue to insist on interfering in our affairs.

As the glorious Marinetti said:

"Beauty exists only in struggle. There is no masterpiece that has not an aggressive character. Poetry must be a violent assault on the forces of the unknown, to force them to bow before man. We want to glorify war - the only cure for the world - militarism, patriotism, the destructive gesture of the anarchists, the beautiful ideas which kill, and contempt for woman."

Continue to deny us our right - gained through force of will and power of arms - to deal with those Hatarians found within our borders as we see fit, and you will know what it means to be exterminated.

We fear not your allies. We will not cast the first shot, but by all the gods we will fire the last.

The small and relatively insignifcant nation of Atopiana would be well advised to conduct itself in a more dignified manner on the world stage, lest it's betters chastise it.

The small and relatively insignifcant nation of Atopiana would be well advised to conduct itself in a more dignified manner on the world stage, lest it's betters chastise it.

The small and relatively insignificant nation to which you refer is more than capable of defending itself or dying gloriously. Both endings are acceptable to a warrior race such as us.

You pontificate, but you do not act. As such, you reveal your weakness. Count yourself lucky that you have not encountered us on the field of battle, and take care to ensure that state of affairs continues.

The small and relatively insignifcant nation of Atopiana would be well advised to conduct itself in a more dignified manner on the world stage, lest it's betters chastise it.

OOC: Just because you've got more unemployed people than our entire population doesn't mean you're one of our "betters."

OOC: Just because you've got more unemployed people than our entire population doesn't mean you're one of our "betters."

OOC: :D

Typical Fascism. What is equally incredibly simple is this: the rest of the world sees that your trials are nothing more than a pro forma method to reach a predetermined guilty verdict, and that said verdict is merely the justification for a predetermined sentence (almost invariably death), and thus that your government is quite callous towards both Human life and principles of Justice. We stayed out of this war despite our obligations under the Hatarian Confederacy because of our better judgment than the Neherenia regime. And we will continue to avoid war; however, you may learn if you do this just what the 'concerns of the world at large' can do to your nations interests when trifled with.

Perhaps justifiable in theory; however, Hatarian law was based upon a mishmash of both standard legal theory and Divine Right theory from prior ages. Hence, I doubt the Hatarian people particularly saw a reason to revolt, as the concept of the Galaxia Dynasty's leadership ever possibly being "wrong" probably never occurred to them coherently. Also, your attempt to apply ancient Corruption of the Blood theory, although potentially a remedy to the first problem, is only going to harm the trials' standing in most other nations' eyes still-further; since hardly anyone accepts the legitimacy of the old saw that "The sins of the father are to be laid upon the child..." anymore.

Then listen to us. Read our renunciation of Hatarian Confederacy membership VERY carefully, and you shall learn of how we believe these trials must proceed if we are to regard them as legitimate.
Right now, frankly, your government is satisfying none of these conditions; and is inviting, at best, severe and material diplomatic protest of such patently genocidal machinations. At worst, it invites possible resistance and collaboration by other nations with those Hatarian officials remaining abroad therein, plus potential retaliation by whatever means deemed appropriate from the remaining Hatarian allies; such as Allanea, or notably Vault 10's Aerospace Logistics Corporation which, as far as we recall, retains its Hatarian Confederacy membership.
You may have the physical power of occupation and armament in the bulk of the ex-Hatarian lands, but that can be easily countered if enough voices are raised against you loudly enough, and enough of your allies decide to abandon you in deference to them; not to mention what happens when the possibility of rebellion as a united force ever should occur to the Hatarian people. Consider that carefully, please; before embarking on potentially as damaging a course for your true interests, out of vengeance, as Hataria itself ever undertook out of ill consideration.

Most Sincerely,
Carolinus Horridus
Commander-in-Chief, USSW War Office
Party Secretary, Wagdoggie Revolutionary Party
General Secretary, USSW Revolutionary Command Council
Lord Governor, United Socialist States of Wagdog

I have to agree with Wagdog on EVERYTHING, oh and Wagdog: you forgot Borman.

Atopiania: Trust me, Don't start Picking a Fight.

Everyone: You may have got The Hatarian Territories OUTSIDE Hataria, but The Hatarian Mainland is still not under your control. and also didn't most of the Alliance agreed with Shalrirorchia NOT to take Hatarian lands? looks like no one in The NS world will ever trust you again after this.

OOC: Just because you've got more unemployed people than our entire population doesn't mean you're one of our "betters."

OOC: You have to admit, a fascist nation going on the anti-Hataria bandwagon (which has generally formed because of Hataria's percieved indignations in the warmongering and human rights department) is rather hilariously hypocritical.

I have to agree with Wagdog on EVERYTHING, oh and Wagdog: you forgot Borman.

Atopiania: Trust me, Don't start Picking a Fight.

Everyone: You may have got The Hatarian Territories OUTSIDE Hataria, but The Hatarian Mainland is still not under your control. and also didn't most of the Alliance agreed with Shalrirorchia NOT to take Hatarian lands? looks like no one in The NS world will ever trust you again after this.

Okey-doke, then, show us a map of your mainland and we'll annex that too. My guess, though, is that you won't show us for fear of that happening.

I have to agree with Wagdog on EVERYTHING, oh and Wagdog: you forgot Borman.

Atopiania: Trust me, Don't start Picking a Fight.

Everyone: You may have got The Hatarian Territories OUTSIDE Hataria, but The Hatarian Mainland is still not under your control. and also didn't most of the Alliance agreed with Shalrirorchia NOT to take Hatarian lands? looks like no one in The NS world will ever trust you again after this.

Funny how you talk about nobody trusting us.

And what's going to happen if Atopiana puts your guys on trial? Nothings going to happen, you can't do anything. Besides, neither can he.

OOC: You have to admit, a fascist nation going on the anti-Hataria bandwagon (which has generally formed because of Hataria's percieved indignations in the warmongering and human rights department) is rather hilariously hypocritical.

Well of course, even I raised an eyebrow at that. But I don't see how being small has anything to do with that.

Well of course, even I raised an eyebrow at that. But I don't see how being small has anything to do with that.

(Just as a note, most of my comments in this thread have been OOC, much like this one).

I was more referring to him threatening me. ;p

(Just as a note, most of my comments in this thread have been OOC, much like this one).

I was more referring to him threatening me. ;p

I see. Kind of. So how does him being a fascist tie into him threateing you?

I feel like we're going in circles...

Well, It seems that you want me Off Nation States, well, sorry but you have lost, you will not force me off NS, nor will you end me.

and also I think one of you Hacked into my PC to try to Destroy it or steal my Password. once I find out who done it, some one is going to get it.

I have to agree with Wagdog on EVERYTHING, oh and Wagdog: you forgot Borman.

Atopiania: Trust me, Don't start Picking a Fight.

Everyone: You may have got The Hatarian Territories OUTSIDE Hataria, but The Hatarian Mainland is still not under your control. and also didn't most of the Alliance agreed with Shalrirorchia NOT to take Hatarian lands? looks like no one in The NS world will ever trust you again after this.

Well, actually, they trust us a hell of a lot more than you.

Shoe's on the other foot, huh? I suggest, if you don't want the criticism, to stop baiting us, 'cause I'm gonna make you cry on your side of the computer if you try.

Axis Nova: Try to invade Atopiana for that, and I'll raise a coalition against you and reduce you to Hataria's level. Simply put.

Well, It seems that you want me Off Nation States, well, sorry but you have lost, you will not force me off NS, nor will you end me.

and also I think one of you Hacked into my PC to try to Destroy it or steal my Password. once I find out who done it, some one is going to get it.

Hush hush. We don't want you off NS, we want you to play fair is all.

And as for someone hacking into your PC... I think that's a little over-the-top. Why do you suspect it's us? Why not your roommate or someone else? How would we get onto your PC?

Well, It seems that you want me Off Nation States, well, sorry but you have lost, you will not force me off NS, nor will you end me.

and also I think one of you Hacked into my PC to try to Destroy it or steal my Password. once I find out who done it, some one is going to get it.

OOC:
So now your pulling BS out of your rear? I doubt someone on NS hacked your computer, It's probably someone else you pissed off from elsewhere. So stop with the lies already. Unless you can provide an IP Address of the person you "say" hacked you, you have no proof.

Well, actually, they trust us a hell of a lot more than you.

Shoe's on the other foot, huh? I suggest, if you don't want the criticism, to stop baiting us, 'cause I'm gonna make you cry on your side of the computer if you try.

Axis Nova: Try to invade Atopiana for that, and I'll raise a coalition against you and reduce you to Hataria's level. Simply put.

Empty threats aside, I'm unlikely to invade someone just because they're rude. I can't speak for others, though.

In general, I RP invasions or what not because I'm getting something out of it and not just for punitive reasons.

Congratulations, you've successfully identified the Atopian Union of Fascists, who run the Fascist Union of Atopiana, as being Fascist. We applaud your nation's educational attainment standards.

We spit upon the notions of 'human rights' - there are no rights, only actions carried out through strength of will. You stayed out of war because your nation saw that it was weaker than the anti-Hatarian coalition. Now that war is ended, Hataria is no more, and Atopiana is stronger than ever.

Our actions within our territory are of no concern of yours. Your law has no writ within our borders, as ours has none within yours. Stay out of that which does not concern you and you will continue to be at peace. Your renunciation has saved you from extermination, it will not stay our hand if you continue to insist on interfering in our affairs.

As the glorious Marinetti said:

"Beauty exists only in struggle. There is no masterpiece that has not an aggressive character. Poetry must be a violent assault on the forces of the unknown, to force them to bow before man. We want to glorify war - the only cure for the world - militarism, patriotism, the destructive gesture of the anarchists, the beautiful ideas which kill, and contempt for woman."

Continue to deny us our right - gained through force of will and power of arms - to deal with those Hatarians found within our borders as we see fit, and you will know what it means to be exterminated.

We fear not your allies. We will not cast the first shot, but by all the gods we will fire the last.


Here we go again. Atopiana Axis Nova is bigger than I am. Don't start this.

Hataria I thought you left MT?

there is a map of hataira on his NS Wiki page. it is on my school computer as well if you want i can get that to you tomarrow

And as for someone hacking into your PC... I think that's a little over-the-top. Why do you suspect it's us? Why not your roommate or someone else? How would we get onto your PC?

You will be surprised how Hackers today can now get into your Comptuer, namey by Spyware, Trojans and other ways. my Main Suspects are on this Fourm since I live at Home with my mom and dad and Their are Three who want me gone, TPF, Atopiana and Questers.

You will be surprised how Hackers today can now get into your Comptuer, namey by Spyware, Trojans and other ways. my Main Suspects are on this Fourm since I live at Home with my mom and dad and Their are Three who want me gone, TPF, Atopiana and Questers.

And lies will get you no where

Well, It seems that you want me Off Nation States, well, sorry but you have lost, you will not force me off NS, nor will you end me.OOC: You cannot end a weed as deep as Hataria has become in providing NS with long and cool wars and also with countless hours of fun watching the world take him on.:D

I don't like Questers, but as far as I know, he possesses little to no skills in the department of networking stuff and is thus unlikely to have hacked you.

You will be surprised how Hackers today can now get into your Comptuer, namey by Spyware, Trojans and other ways. my Main Suspects are on this Fourm since I live at Home with my mom and dad and Their are Three who want me gone, TPF, Atopiana and Questers.

Well as far as I know you haven't downloaded anything containing spyware or trojans from me.

Everyone: You may have got The Hatarian Territories OUTSIDE Hataria, but The Hatarian Mainland is still not under your control. and also didn't most of the Alliance agreed with Shalrirorchia NOT to take Hatarian lands? looks like no one in The NS world will ever trust you again after this.

Hey lookie here

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c284/ClintHoyt/MapofHataria.gif

Empty threats aside, I'm unlikely to invade someone just because they're rude. I can't speak for others, though.

In general, I RP invasions or what not because I'm getting something out of it and not just for punitive reasons.

Your empty threats? I've already upheld my threats against more powerful nations (Kraven) then you.

And Hataria: Doubtful anyone here would hack you. There's really no point to it: I mean, what do they get from it? They lose your posts (which I'll be critical: I find some funny), and they lose their target that way. That's not how that type of person is going to work.

That map is pretty old; the part marked as ITD controlled Hataria is Western Hataria, and until recently was occupied by myself. No one's controlling it at the moment since I pulled out; presumably the Hatarian government has for the moment bigger fish to fry, and no one's tried to go snag it yet.

*Official Ministry of Defense Response*


Hataria has long been an ally of New Ausha both politically and economically. New Ausha will not stand for our allies abroad besieged. Therefore, 3000 Strategic bombers are on thier way too Hatarian military bases. Awaiting clearance first of course. We warn against further aggressions, as New Aushan naval elements are being prepared for battle as well.


*Dispatch too Hataria*

Evening allies. It has been a long while since our nations have untied. We are glad too hearken too this call for action abroad. With your blessing and approval we are requesting permission too dispatch 4000 strategic firestorm AA launchers too your country. Logistics can be worked out contingent upon your reply. We would also be honored that 750,000 Aushan soldiers begin shipping out for Hataria, too aid in the repelling of any sort of infantry incursions mounted by the enemy. Of course armor, missiles, and warplanes will be along, we await your reply.

I have to agree with Wagdog on EVERYTHING, oh and Wagdog: you forgot Borman.

Atopiania: Trust me, Don't start Picking a Fight.

Everyone: You may have got The Hatarian Territories OUTSIDE Hataria, but The Hatarian Mainland is still not under your control. and also didn't most of the Alliance agreed with Shalrirorchia NOT to take Hatarian lands? looks like no one in The NS world will ever trust you again after this.

Um, so what did we NOT annex.
Wait, I've got it! Your mainland is the moon base! I've got it now- Hataria believes that he runs a godlike alien race, so therefore they can only lose 10 destroyers in a 40,000 missile barrage. It's due to their uber-alien technology. Gosh, how stupid of me!
Also, what agreement are you referring to? The only real agreement was my treaty, and nowhere did it say that we couldn't annex your territory.


As for the hacking- now you're just pulling shit out of your ass- how mean, how do you know it's not some other dude you pissed off?
And I'm almost totally computer-ignorant(I struggle figuring out torrents, much less hack into random guy's computer).
Anyway, New Ausha, Hataria left MT.

Axis Nova: Try to invade Atopiana for that, and I'll raise a coalition against you and reduce you to Hataria's level. Simply put.
Count me in. Heck, Atopiana, you want a long-term defensive alliance with us?

Um, so what did we NOT annex.
Wait, I've got it! Your mainland is the moon base! I've got it now- Hataria believes that he runs a godlike alien race, so therefore they can only lose 10 destroyers in a 40,000 missile barrage. It's due to their uber-alien technology. Gosh, how stupid of me!
Also, what agreement are you referring to? The only real agreement was my treaty, and nowhere did it say that we couldn't annex your territory.

Actually, I got the moon base. I didn't see any little green Hatarians there, though.

You will be surprised how Hackers today can now get into your Comptuer, namey by Spyware, Trojans and other ways. my Main Suspects are on this Fourm since I live at Home with my mom and dad and Their are Three who want me gone, TPF, Atopiana and Questers.

OCC: Wow, what the heck? Report me to the FBI, buddy. I'll grant them access to my computer even without a warrant.

I have to agree with Wagdog on EVERYTHING, oh and Wagdog: you forgot Borman.

Atopiania: Trust me, Don't start Picking a Fight.

Everyone: You may have got The Hatarian Territories OUTSIDE Hataria, but The Hatarian Mainland is still not under your control. and also didn't most of the Alliance agreed with Shalrirorchia NOT to take Hatarian lands? looks like no one in The NS world will ever trust you again after this.
OOC: Ya, sry; Borman too.:( That wasn't the best-kept of alliance threads though, seriously. But regardless of that and the facts compelling me to walk away from the Confederacy which even predate the Ryu no Jo'o War, I still regard your nation as having been punished more than enough for its militarism.
Although I think we should RP out the escape, I nonetheless agree with you and Axis that we should just call it a victory, leave the Hatarian Mainland alone, and let Prince/Emperor Kennedy of Wilhelmsborough usurp whatever titles he wants ICly speaking. Aside from perhaps some final l33tn3ss action on the escape's part and the consequences thereof, overall, I'd say we should really be done here...:headbang:

OOC: Ya, sry; Borman too.:( That wasn't the best-kept of alliance threads though, seriously. But regardless of that and the facts compelling me to walk away from the Confederacy which even predate the Ryu no Jo'o War, I still regard your nation as having been punished more than enough for its militarism.
Although I think we should RP out the escape, I nonetheless agree with you and Axis that we should just call it a victory, leave the Hatarian Mainland alone, and let Prince/Emperor Kennedy of Wilhelmsborough usurp whatever titles he wants ICly speaking. Aside from perhaps some final l33tn3ss action on the escape's part and the consequences thereof, overall, I'd say we should really be done here...:headbang:

that is what I am trying to say, but Some People *Cough* ThePeoplesFreedom*Cough* can't just let it go and accept it is over.

OCC: I can't accept that your cheating and godmodding your way out of a loss. Wagdog doesn't know your history.

[OOC: Cool it, mister. TPF isn't hanging on. You are. Ask anyone else here. We're not getting on your case, you're getting on ours.]

OOC:
OOC: Ya, sry; Borman too.:( That wasn't the best-kept of alliance threads though, seriously. But regardless of that and the facts compelling me to walk away from the Confederacy which even predate the Ryu no Jo'o War, I still regard your nation as having been punished more than enough for its militarism.
Although I think we should RP out the escape, I nonetheless agree with you and Axis that we should just call it a victory, leave the Hatarian Mainland alone, and let Prince/Emperor Kennedy of Wilhelmsborough usurp whatever titles he wants ICly speaking. Aside from perhaps some final l33tn3ss action on the escape's part and the consequences thereof, overall, I'd say we should really be done here...:headbang:

Wagdog. I am willing to let it go, but I cannot let it slide that Hataria did declare war upon me for dropping his civilians on an island that actually HAD food on it for them to eat. I have to play it out as it is, in fact, a part of my nations history. I won't ignore something like this.

that is what I am trying to say, but Some People *Cough* ThePeoplesFreedom*Cough* can't just let it go and accept it is over.

It's not over, you have declared war upon me and you can't just 'ignore' the fact that you are still, litterally, at war with my nation. We are going to play this out till the end. Even if it means you being occupied by the Marines of my nation. Thats how "FAIR" Rollplaying goes.

OCC: I can't accept that your cheating and godmodding your way out of a loss. Wagdog doesn't know your history.
You assume much. I have in fact read all of his recent threads in some detail, albeit not exhaustively perhaps. I am aware of Hataria's shortcomings as an RPer, but I am NOT seeking to coddle them. Nor, however, am I seeking to exact IC revenge for them as seems to be the honest trend I see here.:rolleyes:
What I AM seeking, honestly, is for him to be defeated fairly for launching an unwise war (which the Ryu no Jo'o campaign was, in spades...:eek:) and then left to rebuild with his homeland minimally intact. Genocide and summary executions do not do that, and are patently unfair even if I wanted a more devastating loss for Hataria; remember what Axis (who has participated in all/most of Hataria's threads AFAIK) said, that whatever Hataria does badly tends to attract WORSE retaliation from those angered by it, in the IC ethical sense as well as the IC consequential sense.

OOC: Just too pop in....it seems Hataria has gotten hacked?

OOC: Just too pop in....it seems Hataria has gotten hacked?

*Sigh*

Well he claims that someone tried to hack into his PC, and he suspects us of tricking him into downloading spyware or some trojan or something like that.

OOC: Just too pop in....it seems Hataria has gotten hacked?

*Sigh*

Well he claims that someone tried to hack into his PC, and he suspects us of tricking him into downloading spyware or some trojan or something like that.

He's pulling straws, trying to make up some excuse to get us banned. I bet the attempted hacking came from an asian country, thats where most hackings occure from now a days anyways. And thats from statistics reported to national governments all over the world and not just from the US.

*Sigh*

Well he claims that someone tried to hack into his PC, and he suspects us of tricking him into downloading spyware or some trojan or something like that.

Not too imply anything, was the war going ill on his part?

He's pulling straws, trying to make up some excuse to get us banned. I bet the attempted hacking came from an asian country, thats where most hackings occure from now a days anyways. And thats from statistics reported to national governments all over the world and not just from the US.

So is this whole thing gonna close down? I have an IC post which im pretty sure was ignored in light of this "hacking" ordeal....

Not too imply anything, was the war going ill on his part?

Yep

So is this whole thing gonna close down? I have an IC post which im pretty sure was ignored in light of this "hacking" ordeal....

Not sure. All I can say is that me and him are still at war, seeing as he never officially withdrew his declaration of war against me.

Not sure. All I can say is that me and him are still at war, seeing as he never officially withdrew his declaration of war against me.

Righto.... He has yet too accept my aid offer. How ill is the war going on his part?

OOC:


Wagdog. I am willing to let it go, but I cannot let it slide that Hataria did declare war upon me for dropping his civilians on an island that actually HAD food on it for them to eat. I have to play it out as it is, in fact, a part of my nations history. I won't ignore something like this.
Since Jolt ate my last post, I can put in a better one. Thanks for the willingness, but I'm not actually asking you to ignore it.;) If anything, resolving this is Hataria's responsibility (@ Hataria: hint, hint...:headbang:) as even I'll say. I agree that his war on you is pointless, for the reasons you point out, and am thus just calling for us to possibly agree that the loss of the Empire amounts to an acceptable victory for all but the more-hardcore bunch, whom there may be no satisfying short of a follow-on war.:rolleyes:
It's not over, you have declared war upon me and you can't just 'ignore' the fact that you are still, litterally, at war with my nation. We are going to play this out till the end. Even if it means you being occupied by the Marines of my nation. Thats how "FAIR" Rollplaying goes.
Agreed completely. Hataria, my advice is that you please reach some kind of surrender deal here.:rolleyes: Your options only get worse the longer you stall, and defeat in an expansionist war has its consequences for you; even if I make what efforts I can to make those consequences reasonable. Shaz's are, and by continuing to refuse even talking about the matter you strengthen the hand of those whose consequences are patently unreasonable, whom we all know well enough to need not name.

Righto.... He has yet too accept my aid offer. How ill is the war going on his part?

Imagine the military equivalent of AIDS, cancer, and SARS rolled into one megavirus. That's how ill.

Everyone: You may have got The Hatarian Territories OUTSIDE Hataria, but The Hatarian Mainland is still not under your control. and also didn't most of the Alliance agreed with Shalrirorchia NOT to take Hatarian lands? looks like no one in The NS world will ever trust you again after this.

ooc: Hmm, I have been following this war with small activity, do I understand correctly that, Hataria started war, refuses to continue it, and now tries to make some demands about that how war ended?

Olmedreca;12623160']ooc: Hmm, I have been following this war with small activity, do I understand correctly that, Hataria started war, refuses to continue it, and now tries to make some demands about that how war ended?
ooc: pretty much.

It is Over! This is the Only Time I am telling everyone this, It is Over, done, RP Dead. So take your Bottoms and go dogpile someone else.

Everyone who has been in The War is Now Ignored

Hat, or Clint, or whatever your real name is, you just lost any respect I may have had for you.

Good luck living in your sad little corner of the world. All by yourself, maybe with a couple of cronies who are just as sad, and lonely as you are.

Hat, or Clint, or whatever your real name is, you just lost any respect I may have had for you.

Good luck living in your sad little corner of the world. All by yourself, maybe with a couple of cronies who are just as sad, and lonely as you are.

I already lost all Respect for all of you in The first place.

I already lost all Respect for all of you in The first place.
If you are so naieve that you put me in with those that you accused of dog piling you, your enemies, then you are so wrong..

Up until this stage I had nothing against you ooc'ly.

Now I just see you for the whiney, childish, immature, little brat that you are.

Now I just see you for the whiney, childish, immature, little brat that you are.

Ironic since his profile says he's 21 and is only a couple weeks older than me.

OCC: You know, he can ignore us, but I say that if he ever posts anything in MT, we kindly point the people that he wants to RP with to this thread, showing its a waste of time.

It is Over! This is the Only Time I am telling everyone this, It is Over, done, RP Dead. So take your Bottoms and go dogpile someone else.

Everyone who has been in The War is Now Ignored

Jesus Christ, Hataria! Grow a pair and finish what you started peacefully! It's really not that hard!

OCC: You know, he can ignore us, but I say that if he ever posts anything in MT, we kindly point the people that he wants to RP with to this thread, showing its a waste of time.
Now that's just plain dickery.

You and your load of allies set out to exterminate his nation. Now, I know there are lots of nations that do piss a lot of people off and have powerful militaries (Kraven, AMF, Doomingsland, etc.) and they can in a lot of cases fight off a dogpile. Of course, you wouldn't want to fight against someone you would actually lose to, now would you?

Now, you actually try to force him into a situation where he either loses his nation or gets mass ignored. (Or gets smeared for godmoding if he keeps the RP going and doesn't lose his nation.)

Personally, I would continue with the peace talks I got involved in, and end the war AND avoid the mass ignore, but it seems the majority of you have shot that down.

Now that's just plain dickery.

You and your load of allies set out to exterminate his nation. Now, I know there are lots of nations that do piss a lot of people off and have powerful militaries (Kraven, AMF, Doomingsland, etc.) and they can in a lot of cases fight off a dogpile. Of course, you wouldn't want to fight against someone you would actually lose to, now would you?

Now, you actually try to force him into a situation where he either loses his nation or gets mass ignored. (Or gets smeared for godmoding if he keeps the RP going and doesn't lose his nation.)

Personally, I would continue with the peace talks I got involved in, and end the war AND avoid the mass ignore, but it seems the majority of you have shot that down.
Tell it like it is.:cool: I call BS where, when, and from whom I see it; but Hat's not the only one pulling some here, nor even the worst I'd wager. As I'm going to start saying, "Since when were bad IC foreign-policy and iffy OOC grammar together genocide-worthy offenses?" And yes, any so inclined may sig that...:p

Hatarias not used to loosing as all he's fought against were defenceless NPC's.

Heck, Atopiana, you want a long-term defensive alliance with us?

Yes please!

Official Statement of Intent, Atopian Ministry of Foreign Affairs:

Following the Hatarian War and certain unpleasantries regarding foreign interference in Atopian affairs, it is the considered opinion of the Primo and the government that it is in the best interests of not only Atopiana but the Pact of Iron that we form a military alliance with the Demonic Empire.

Formal terms will be drawn up at a later date, for now it is enough that any who attack the Demonic Empire are also assaulting the Fascist Union of Atopiana and, by extension, the Pact of Iron.

Well, hataria was given choice to back down or go to the bitter end:

OOC: Before this RP commences, Hataria, I will give a warning. You wantonly attacked me for no reason. I was actually planning on taking a break from NS for a while, but I'm a nice guy, so I'll do this.
However, Hataria, if this war turns into another dogpile against you, you will suck it up. You will not ignore it, you will not threaten to sue NS, you will not even bitch about it. You will suck it up. Otherwise, I'm deploying all my IGNORE cannons, and will take a long vacation from NationStates.
Got it? Good.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12463881&postcount=23

Hataria decided not to back down, so he accepted everything that was going to happen. If he was not ready for this then he should not had started war. His current behaivour means that everyone has full legitimacy to ignore his future declarations of war as they wish.

Since when were bad IC foreign-policy and iffy OOC grammar together genocide-worthy offenses?

It's not just BAD foreign policy, it's the diplomatic equivalent of shoving someone's grandmother in a bag, hanging her from a tree, and yelling "Pinata!" while handing out baseball bats with rusty nails in them.

Olmedreca;12623857']Well, hataria was given choice to back down or go to the bitter end:



http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12463881&postcount=23

His current behaivour means that everyone has full legitimacy to ignore his future declarations of war as they wish.

I will use this legitimacy then.

As far as my continuity is concerned, the Hatarian Empire has been eradicated from the world.

Olmedreca;12623857']Well, hataria was given choice to back down or go to the bitter end:



http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12463881&postcount=23

Hataria decided not to back down, so he accepted everything that was going to happen. If he was not ready for this then he should not had started war. His current behaivour means that everyone has full legitimacy to ignore his future declarations of war as they wish.
Then he won't be declaring war at the drop of a hat, which means he won't be getting dogpiled, and everyone's happy.

It's not just BAD foreign policy, it's the diplomatic equivalent of shoving someone's grandmother in a bag, hanging her from a tree, and yelling "Pinata!" while handing out baseball bats with rusty nails in them.
OOC:
Last I checked, the nations attacked in this case were Demon666, a nation that took what had been Hatarian land (Japan) in the Ryu no Shogun War as retribution for the Hatarian aggression starting that, a legitimate-enough conquest itself equally-legitimately subject to Hatarian retaliation as attempted in the late Ryu no Jo'o War, and those nations that either spoke up on Demon666's behalf per alliance obligation or else otherwise attracted the Imperial Republic's wrath for whatever reason; credible or otherwise. None of these nations was exactly helpless, as your grandmother analogy implies; least of all the main peripheral belligerents such as Shalrirorchia, who matches Hataria all by itself, or Shazbotdom who utterly outclasses Hataria with or without anyone else backing them.
Territorial conquest is no more or less legitimate than a nation's might to enforce it and skill in convincing other nations to buy the propaganda selling this might's image abroad. Hence, although Hataria is the technical aggressor here, your comparison fails to take into account prior political rivalries involving the Imperial Republic acting as self-perpetuating phenomena ICly, regardless of their provenance, and their natural effect on the Imperial Republic's diplomatic reputation. If any current belligerent here was in the grandmother's position, I'd say Hataria is the closest (and that only by putting himself there in the first place), and those agitating for his people's eradication are the ones passing out the spiked bats and shouting.

Skgorria saw a fellow nation suffering in the hands of an agressor, and we responded by coming to their defence. We consider this the first situation in which Skgorria has acted beneficially to the international community, and are proud of it.

Skgorria saw a fellow nation suffering in the hands of an agressor, and we responded by coming to their defence. We consider this the first situation in which Skgorria has acted beneficially to the international community, and are proud of it.
And rightly so. Your pride is yours, and justly earned... up to a point. However, your actions ceased being beneficial to the international community, outside of your particular perspective on it's needs, when you crossed beyond tht point and escalated the campaign to the threatened obliteration of the Hatarian people; as opposed to merely the defeat of their forces and destitution of their government. Even many of your allies regard this course of action you propose as unacceptable now, and we in particular can make it a most unprofitable course even without war which, we emphasize, we do not deem either appropriate or necessary in this matter due to the very fact of your allies' varying policies compared to yours.
In short, we could pull the rug from under you and you'd have no grounds to do anything but sit there and sputter, unless you wish to go from defender to aggressor in the space of an instant. Hataria is beaten, and you have won; do accept what victory international conscience will allow you and move on, please.

Perhaps we were a trifle...hasty in our declaration of extermination. The Hatarian leadership has shown such pathological stupidity and agression that we assumed it was genetic. However, we have found that the Hatarian populace in general have been very co-operative with Pact of Iron forces and will in time be willing to grant them self-government within the Pact itself.

Khan, In response to you, I never called for genocide nor would I accpet it. Furthurmore, I was calling for an ignore because he is ignoring our blockade on his nation. We are all still at war.

It seems unfair that I can magically say a war is over, re-build my militray, and recieve supplies that should be blocked by a blockade.

Is that fair?

If I may put my $0.02 in on this. I never called for Genocide either, all I did was plant his people on an island outside of my territory stating that there was enough 'natural' foods (Meaning berries, plantlife, and water), stuff that could be eaten and he goes and says "OMG. YOU PUT MY PPLZ AT R1SK. I DECLAR WARZ ON JOO". Well not that exactly, but something similar.

He has YET to withdraw his declaration of war, and in my honest oppinion, he cannot ignore his own declaration of war. Which is why I am ASKING HIM POLITELY to make an IC Statment in my thread (Which I will BUMP later tonight) saying that he is officially dropping his declaration of war.

That is ALL I ASK in this conflict. All he has to do is what I ask.

I'm just helping out Shal, who Hataria attacked unprovoked and for no apparent reason. I'd say Hataria was the one to blame, especially after he wiped out Shal's fleet without warning, pretty much.

Imagine the military equivalent of AIDS, cancer, and SARS rolled into one megavirus. That's how ill.

At least Herpes isnt in there.... Owchie

I already lost all Respect for all of you in The first place.

Erm Hataria? It seems whenever I hop into one of your threads im ignored....

If I may put my $0.02 in on this. I never called for Genocide either, all I did was plant his people on an island outside of my territory stating that there was enough 'natural' foods (Meaning berries, plantlife, and water), stuff that could be eaten and he goes and says "OMG. YOU PUT MY PPLZ AT R1SK. I DECLAR WARZ ON JOO". Well not that exactly, but something similar.

He has YET to withdraw his declaration of war, and in my honest oppinion, he cannot ignore his own declaration of war. Which is why I am ASKING HIM POLITELY to make an IC Statment in my thread (Which I will BUMP later tonight) saying that he is officially dropping his declaration of war.

That is ALL I ASK in this conflict. All he has to do is what I ask.



If I may interject, Hataria has ignored me since day one, so I can surmise he behaves like this regularly, that it is in his very demeanor if you will. Why don't you guys simply ostrasize him, as in every IC thread he begins, you simply reference this god-forsaken thread too discredit him?

If I may interject, Hataria has ignored me since day one, so I can surmise he behaves like this regularly, that it is in his very demeanor if you will. Why don't you guys simply ostrasize him, as in every IC thread he begins, you simply reference this god-forsaken thread too discredit him?

Not if they are Closed and off limits to People like you, and I will ask The Mods to Nuke any discrediting Post that any one Posts on Any of My Threads that I will start.

Not if they are Closed and off limits to People like you, and I will ask The Mods to Nuke any discrediting Post that any one Posts on Any of My Threads that I will start.

That's why there is telegrams.

Not if they are Closed and off limits to People like you, and I will ask The Mods to Nuke any discrediting Post that any one Posts on Any of My Threads that I will start.


So your getting angry over people legitly beating you at your own game and now saying " Screw you guys. I still exist" Tell me...how do you rp on a fourm in which no one wants to rp with you? I suggest taking a step back. Breath in. Realize you can get your country back if you try a little harder, not be an overly imperialistic nation and try to rehash relations with other rpers. Look at CP.

His nation got taken over, he came back though. There was one guy who acted a bit like you, I think British LOndon or something, got his nation taken over, threw a small tantrum, realized thats not the way to go, made some rp changes and got his country back in a few months...or weeks. Just give it chance.

Perhaps we were a trifle...hasty in our declaration of extermination. The Hatarian leadership has shown such pathological stupidity and agression that we assumed it was genetic. However, we have found that the Hatarian populace in general have been very co-operative with Pact of Iron forces and will in time be willing to grant them self-government within the Pact itself.
IC:
Indeed, and it speaks much to your credit that you have reevaluated the assumption behind said declaration. Your idea in substitute is acceptable, insofar as we neither desire nor are capable of challenge by ourselves to what Power in the former Hatarian Colonies you have earned by Right of Conquest; and also insofar as said conquest of these colonies was after all what the Imperial Republic's far more hasty policies than yours had earned it, in the end.
Seeing as the appropriate penalty for failed aggression in support of failed policy has been meted out to Hataria in full, perhaps an agreement can be reached regarding the disposition of those Hatarian colonists desiring neither to live within the Pact of Iron nor to take actions requiring that they die by it's hand in punishment for rebellion? We seek not to dictate your laws; only to minimize the burden upon them from a populace that we gather you don't particularly wish to rule more of than you have to anyway, and which most likely feels similarly towards the prospect of you ruling them in perpetuity as well. We are currently involved in the ongoing transport of a tribe of Kawaiian refugees from their ruined homeland to our own, where they shall reside as yet more citizens in our diverse nation; and whatever the destination these hyptothetical Hatarians in your or other allied nations' custody desired, we have plenty of spare capacity in both personnel and supply transport to support a long-term resettlement effort provided that only those freely willing to leave were relocated. A worthy endeavor, yes?

I'm just helping out Shal, who Hataria attacked unprovoked and for no apparent reason. I'd say Hataria was the one to blame, especially after he wiped out Shal's fleet without warning, pretty much.
OOC: Agreed, although my sympathy here only extends insofar as the unprovoked aspect (supposedly) goes; from what I gathered perusing the war threads at the time (even before this all happened...:rolleyes:) Shal's alliances seemed to have something to do with it, but reading a thread again never hurt anyone of course. As far as preemptively annihilating an enemy fleet without warning in a massive first strike goes, frankly I agree with Hataria (AFAIK) and the RL Imperial Japanese forces he takes inspiration from in both the desirability and (yes) morality of such a move. After all, if positions were reversed Shal would've had equal right to pull such a first strike against Hataria so long as Hataria had taken legitimately provocative action sufficient to constitute a clear casus belli, such as (having just found the relevant post: here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12470156) for Shal's part against Hat...) issuing hostile diplomatic statements and offering to base B-70 strategic bombers in territory belonging to active belligerents against Shalrirorchia.:p You get what you ask for, and IMO Shal got in spades.

...How many times do I have to say it? PISSING CONTEST. Leave him alone, and get along with the RP.

... perhaps an agreement can be reached regarding the disposition of those Hatarian colonists desiring neither to live within the Pact of Iron nor to take actions requiring that they die by it's hand in punishment for rebellion ... a long-term resettlement effort provided that only those freely willing to leave were relocated.

Utterly unacceptable. Desist in your interference with Pact of Iron internal affairs. We will deal with Hatarians within our territories as we see fit.

Utterly unacceptable. Desist in your interference with Pact of Iron internal affairs. We will deal with Hatarians within our territories as we see fit.
Our message was directed at Skgorria, rather than your government; and in any case there is no point in being hostile about the matter since we have not contested the legitimacy of your claim on the ex-Hatarian lands, now have we? We fail to see how a proposal to humanely rid you of peoples you consider undesirable is so unacceptable, unless of course you somehow prefer facing a violent insurgency and taking the measures you would deem appropriate in retaliation.
Your position here strikes us as frankly bizarre, even accounting for sovereignty concerns; do you not wish your honorably-won ex-Hatarian lands to be as obedient and productive as possible, in league with AUF ideology? We proposed what you value most, action, intended to assist you in achieving said presumptive aims by removing those Hatarians you did not want in the spirit of international goodwill and regard for even the justly defeated. Our offer is open to you even depite this unwarranted backlash, and is in no way meant as a sign of hostility; so do not confuse it for such.

Not if they are Closed and off limits to People like you, and I will ask The Mods to Nuke any discrediting Post that any one Posts on Any of My Threads that I will start.

People like me? Your allies? I've put up with your IGNORE blasts for long enough, and this just adds insult. Consider yourself dumped as an ally.

So your getting angry over people legitly beating you at your own game and now saying " Screw you guys. I still exist" Tell me...how do you rp on a fourm in which no one wants to rp with you? I suggest taking a step back. Breath in. Realize you can get your country back if you try a little harder, not be an overly imperialistic nation and try to rehash relations with other rpers. Look at CP.

His nation got taken over, he came back though. There was one guy who acted a bit like you, I think British LOndon or something, got his nation taken over, threw a small tantrum, realized thats not the way to go, made some rp changes and got his country back in a few months...or weeks. Just give it chance.

Good job too those who defeated Hataria in battle. He is PMSing out here, so I congradulate the anti-Hatarians for thier level of maturity and respect.

Not if they are Closed and off limits to People like you, and I will ask The Mods to Nuke any discrediting Post that any one Posts on Any of My Threads that I will start.

Perhaps if you paid more attention, you'd realize the guy you just threatened is your ALLY.

And threatening us with moderation isn't going to work, they're tired of you complaining to them all the time.

By the way, Hataria, about your new thread, you do realize that if you start rewriting the history of this there will most likely be over 10 people all over your ass about it. This isn't a threat, just a statement, because it definitely would happen.

We thank you for your recognition of the former Hatarian colonies as our by right of conquest. It is refreshing to find a nation that still recognises this as a legitmate means of accquiring territory.

In regards to the movement of former Hatarians who no longer wish to reside within Pact of Iron territory, we thank you for your offer but we will deal with this in our own way. If we were to allow Hatarians to leave, there is a high probability that those people that are needed for the reconstruction of the nation will be those that leave. We have already begun proceedures to stop any armed uprising, and I assure you that we are ready and willing to deal with any disobedience.

OOC:
Good job too those who defeated Hataria in battle. He is PMSing out here, so I congradulate the anti-Hatarians for thier level of maturity and respect.

I think that's the first time I've ever been congratulated on my maturity, let alone on NS :p

We thank you for your recognition of the former Hatarian colonies as our by right of conquest. It is refreshing to find a nation that still recognises this as a legitmate means of accquiring territory.
You're quite welcome, although we should note we do not consider Right of Conquest a preferred means to see land acquired; even if legitimate-by-default all the same. Our justification for Right of Conquest is actually humanitarian in nature at root , believe it or not; since when one has wrecked the empire formerly holding the lands in question and has terminated hostilities with those lands still in one's possession, then basic moral responsibility logically dictates that those lands be legally taken up and governed as one's own. Some might denounce the move since the annexation was begun by force (even if sealed by law), but what would be still worse is to leave the beaten lands in ruin and disorder, yes? Our preferences may differ, but on this issue at least we have some agreement; if albeit for perhaps different reasons.
In regards to the movement of former Hatarians who no longer wish to reside within Pact of Iron territory, we thank you for your offer but we will deal with this in our own way. If we were to allow Hatarians to leave, there is a high probability that those people that are needed for the reconstruction of the nation will be those that leave. We have already begun proceedures to stop any armed uprising, and I assure you that we are ready and willing to deal with any disobedience.
Very well, although given the nature of the Neherenia regime and the submissive population it seems to have engendered, as exemplified in the case of Wilhelmsborough's experience, we don't anticipate that this should become a problem for you long term or require more unpleasantness than any nation would inflict, of any political ideology. Your offer to rule these people fairly as a responsible conquering power is the essence of what we asked, and we shall not look satisfaction in the mouth out of petty grasping. There is never benefit in it for anyone, especially when something acceptable has been worked out between them.
*SNIP for relevancy's sake...*

Our preferences may differ, but on this issue at least we have some agreement

I am glad that we have reached an accord, and that there will not be any question of ownership.

given the nature of the Neherenia regime and the submissive population it seems to have engendered, as exemplified in the case of Wilhelmsborough's experience, we don't anticipate that this should become a problem for you long term

Indeed, the collapse of the Hatarian power structure within the areas under the domain of Wilhelmsborough suggests that we will not have to resort to the more extreme measures at our disposal. We will begin the process of reconstruction and integration shortly.

Indeed, the collapse of the Hatarian power structure within the areas under the domain of Wilhelmsborough suggests that we will not have to resort to the more extreme measures at our disposal. We will begin the process of reconstruction and integration shortly.

Just because the Hatarians folded so easily does not mean that they won't strike back. Keep in mind that all conquerors have something of a honeymoon period with their conquered lands.:D

OOC: Wilhelmsborough, you're forgetting the 3 secrets to supressing any revolt: Relocation, Relocation, Relocation:D

We applaud the settlement that has been reached by Skgorrian and Wagdoggian* diplomats regarding the sovereignty of Pact of Iron territory.

Our message was directed at Skgorria, rather than your government; and in any case there is no point in being hostile about the matter since we have not contested the legitimacy of your claim on the ex-Hatarian lands, now have we? We fail to see how a proposal to humanely rid you of peoples you consider undesirable is so unacceptable, unless of course you somehow prefer facing a violent insurgency and taking the measures you would deem appropriate in retaliation.

For the sake of completeness:

The Skgorrian-Atopian alliance in the Pact of Iron is such that what applies to one applies to the other. We are defensive because of previous altercations over our ideology, and apologise for any offence caused by the tone of our previous announcements.

Regarding the possibility of a violent insurgency, yes, we do prefer facing that to pliant sheep-like behaviour; it speaks well of those carrying it out and strengthens those countering it.

* OOC: Is that right? :confused:

We applaud the settlement that has been reached by Skgorrian and Wagdoggian* diplomats regarding the sovereignty of Pact of Iron territory.



For the sake of completeness:

The Skgorrian-Atopian alliance in the Pact of Iron is such that what applies to one applies to the other. We are defensive because of previous altercations over our ideology, and apologise for any offence caused by the tone of our previous announcements.

Regarding the possibility of a violent insurgency, yes, we do prefer facing that to pliant sheep-like behaviour; it speaks well of those carrying it out and strengthens those countering it.

* OOC: Is that right? :confused:
OOC: Sorry, but no. It's actually "Wagdoggie", as in "Israeli" or "Pakistani" but more satirical. Think like the adjectival form of dog in "doggie treats," since my nation's name is inherently somewhat self-deprecating.;) I based it off the sardonic movie Wag the Dog, plus the stereotype of the pseudo-communist dictator who's really just a corrupt (if well-meaning) idealist.
IC
Very well, your preferences are your own even if we find them... unfortunate, for those on all sides unable to pass the Darwinian test implied. What matters is that we are at an agreement, and that any pointless ideological fisticuffs have been avoided. The Pact of Iron holds well we see, and perhaps we might just be able to open more sustained relations with its members yet. Our State Department is a bit overworked, what with our main Secretary thereof still on a fact-finding mission in Kraven Corporation territory and our General Secretary wrapping up a state visit to the Kingdom of Danno10; but we can still process embassy applications from those nations so-inclined.

OOC- The Shalrirorchian player has more or less recovered from his health-induced hiatus. Is Shalrirorchian air support required to bring Hataria to its' knees?

umm, it's kinda over and some people are helping hataria rebuild.