NationStates Jolt Archive

OOC: I've been noticing tons of wars against communism lately, so I know ther are a lot of communist nations out there. I need some communist players and some conservative players in the wing wars (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=524717). Also anti-communists would be really useful for the fascist or centrist side.

OOC: Hmm, I do fall into both of the latter categories . . . I will check it out.

OOC: Hmm, I do fall into both of the latter categories . . . I will check it out.

OOC: Good, the sooner all the slots are filled the sooner the really large war can start. Btw you can join after th war has started, its kinda like how America and Italy joined WWI late.

OOC: Good, the sooner all the slots are filled the sooner the really large war can start. Btw you can join after th war has started, its kinda like how America and Italy joined WWI late.

OOC: Makes perfect sense.

Do we need to keep labeling posts here w/"OOC"; this is, after all, a purely OOC thread.

OOC: Makes perfect sense.

Do we need to keep labeling posts here w/"OOC"; this is, after all, a purely OOC thread.

your right we really don't need to.

What would the Anarchists' role be in all this?:confused:
Oh I know!:)
We'll look on in disgust as you gear up your murder machines and send off millions of people to kill each other for no good reason.
And then the anarchists will enter your countries and incite your war-weary populations to revolt against the mad absurdity of the state and build free and sane societies :D

What would the Anarchists' role be in all this?:confused:
Oh I know!:)
We'll look on in disgust as you gear up your murder machines and send off millions of people to kill each other for no good reason.
And then the anarchists will enter your countries and incite your war-weary populations to revolt against the mad absurdity of the state and build free and sane societies :D

You do realize that the mere existence of your nations makes you a hypocrite, right? I know, let's have an organized anarchist group!

More to the point, you'd probably be a more neutral party fighting to ensure everyone is what they want to be. Of course there would be no organizatio in your army, but that's your cross to bear.

You do realize that the mere existence of your nations makes you a hypocrite, right? I know, let's have an organized anarchist group!

More to the point, you'd probably be a more neutral party fighting to ensure everyone is what they want to be. Of course there would be no organizatio in your army, but that's your cross to bear.
You obviously don't know what anarchism is:)
Anarchists are against hierarchy and domination, but are all about organization.
Here's the wikipedia entry on Anarchist-communism:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anarchist_communism

Here's the NS entry on FOE:
http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Free_Outer_Eugenia

"anarchism," in its most general meaning, is the belief that all forms of rulership (and thus also involuntary servitude) are undesirable and should be abolished.

From wikipedia's page on anarchism as a whole.

And as a point, people tend to self organize into a hierarchy and even societies of equals usually have people who are at the head.

Anarchism isn't necessarily opposed to the idea of leadership either. Not all leadership is authoritarian or permanent. If there is such a thing as "Anarchist leadership" it must be based on the Zapatista concept of "leading by following" and must not become institutionalized. We all lead sometimes.

What it comes down to is neither of us is wrong, we're just looking at different places on the spectrum of anarchy. I'm just interpreting anarchy as something more radical than you are.

Lets not fight anymore!! ive been in a long bloody dispute and trying to reach peace by not fighting. I actually gave up a rebellion to settle the dispute and ensure freedom among my people, and yet it may not happen.

What it comes down to is neither of us is wrong, we're just looking at different places on the spectrum of anarchy. I'm just interpreting anarchy as something more radical than you are.I believe that I speak for the vast majority of anarchists. Anarchism is more then an abstract idea that lies on some nebulous spectrum: it is a social movement and a way of living.

If you start a war it will consume you, not only your goverment but your people, in realation to anarchy, he is an organised version of it, too long have socialst country been persecuted by capitalist pigs.

Lets not fight anymore!! ive been in a long bloody dispute and trying to reach peace by not fighting. I actually gave up a rebellion to settle the dispute and ensure freedom among my people, and yet it may not happen.

If we didn't fight, what would we do with our lives?

I believe that I speak for the vast majority of anarchists. Anarchism is more then an abstract idea that lies on some nebulous spectrum: it is a social movement and a way of living.

Everything is abstract. I mean everything, because that is the only way our brains can interpret things.

If you start a war it will consume you, not only your goverment but your people, in realation to anarchy, he is an organised version of it, too long have socialst country been persecuted by capitalist pigs.

Calling capitalists pigs isn't exactly understanding on your part.

<If we didn't fight, what would we do with our lives?>

WE WOULD LIVE THEM!

WE WOULD LIVE THEM!

But that's so.. boring.

well if you do go to war here is some advice, do not occupy leave a base but do not change the goverment, you will get a nasty revolution.

well if you do go to war here is some advice, do not occupy leave a base but do not change the goverment, you will get a nasty revolution.

What you do depends on whether you're "good" or not (good is being used in an abstract fashion here)

Good guys should do something like you say.

The "Bad" guys just kill everyone and move in. "Væ Victis" (woe to the conquered)

It's only the naive who occupy. "They'll welcome us as liberators, right?" wrong. People tend not to like others telling them who to live their lives.

What you do depends on whether you're "good" or not (good is being used in an abstract fashion here)

Good guys should do something like you say.

The "Bad" guys just kill everyone and move in.

It's only the naive who occupy. "They'll welcome us as liberators, right?" wrong. People tend not to like others telling them who to live their lives.

Hey! I resent that :p

Hey! I resent that :p

Me too. Wait, my troops are notorious for keeping the wimminz alive. :p

What would the Anarchists' role be in all this?:confused:
Oh I know!:)
We'll look on in disgust as you gear up your murder machines and send off millions of people to kill each other for no good reason.
And then the anarchists will enter your countries and incite your war-weary populations to revolt against the mad absurdity of the state and build free and sane societies :D

1. There are plenty of good reasons.

2. I'm not entirely sure that my people are culturally capable of being war-weary. For all of their history they have been killin' each other and other people in wars; in fact, for most of it, a majority of those born would die in a war, either being killed on the battlefield, dying on campaign of some other cause, or being killed in one of the countless genocides that were the result of your side losing badly. They have learned to deal with it, and in so doing have become good enough at wars that they rarely have to suffer through that degree again (and never since the unification).

3. How is my society not sane and free? What government interference exists is only to maintain freedom, with things like the police force which is the smallest per capita in my region and yet grants my nation the lowest crime rate.

Hey! I resent that :p

As well you should.

Me too. Wait, my troops are notorious for keeping the wimminz alive. :p

And doing what with the "wimminz"? Methinks it be things all too unsavory, nno?

1. There are plenty of good reasons.

2. I'm not entirely sure that my people are culturally capable of being war-weary. For all of their history they have been killin' each other and other people in wars; in fact, for most of it, a majority of those born would die in a war, either being killed on the battlefield, dying on campaign of some other cause, or being killed in one of the countless genocides that were the result of your side losing badly. They have learned to deal with it, and in so doing have become good enough at wars that they rarely have to suffer through that degree again (and never since the unification).

3. How is my society not sane and free? What government interference exists is only to maintain freedom, with things like the police force which is the smallest per capita in my region and yet grants my nation the lowest crime rate.


That's the fun thing about justification, you can always find reason for anything. And, if you're talented, you can convince everyone the you're right, no matter how absurd the reason is.
People complain about war (most of the time) and the only thing it accomplishes is negatively affect the war (e.g., Vietnam). In fact war protests can actually kill our own soldiers.
Your society isn't sane and free because your in charge. *phone rings* "Hello, insane asylum, I've got another one for you. (I turn in others so they don't take me away to the fun room with the padded walls!)

I'm not entirely sure that my people are culturally capable of being war-weary.
That's what Nicholas II thought:pAs well you should.

People complain about war (most of the time) and the only thing it accomplishes is negatively affect the war (e.g., Vietnam). In fact war protests can actually kill our own soldiers.

No, that was mostly the Vietnamese resistance and the rich white assholes who sent the troops there. Oh and That's what Nicholas II thought:p

No, that was mostly the Vietnamese resistance and the rich white assholes who sent the troops there.

You've got a gun, and another guy does too. Your both aiming at each other. Someone tells you its not nice to shoot other people, and in the moment they distract you the other guy shoots you. Who's fault is it you just got killed? The guy who shot you? yes. The guy who put you in that situation? yes. The guy whispering in your ear? yes.

Two of the responsible people there didn't shoot you, but does that make them any less culpable? no. To be convicted of murder, you don't need to have pulled the trigger.

That's the fun thing about justification, you can always find reason for anything. And, if you're talented, you can convince everyone the you're right, no matter how absurd the reason is.
People complain about war (most of the time) and the only thing it accomplishes is negatively affect the war (e.g., Vietnam). In fact war protests can actually kill our own soldiers.
Your society isn't sane and free because your in charge. *phone rings* "Hello, insane asylum, I've got another one for you. (I turn in others so they don't take me away to the fun room with the padded walls!)


1. Fair enough
2. On that last note, I could not agree more.
3. :eek:

That's what Nicholas II thought:p
No, that was mostly the Vietnamese resistance and the rich white assholes who sent the troops there. Oh and That's what Nicholas II thought:p

For Nicholas II, he was not an entirely competant leader, and, even worse, had terrible PR that did nothing to mask this. His people, the Russian peasantry, had, thoughout their entire history, been brutally oppressed little cannon fodders (yes, "fodders" :p). No one would have expected them to stay with their cause out of great devotion to honor or their empire, as are a couple of big motivators with my people, but out of not wantin' cossaks burning their homes. And, besides, there was already plenty of revolutionary precendent in Russia (if memory serves they killed one or two of the nicer Czars), which just gained more power with the war turning badly.

[snip] "Væ Victis" (woe to the conquered)[snip]

One of my personal favorites. Another is "War gives the right of the conquerors to impose any conditions they please upon the vanquished" by my boy JC; they (which fit so well with a sort of "national darwinism") are the basic ideas behind "conqueror's justice," a central moral ideal in the Empire.

I'll will kill all commies this is who I have brought

1 batalion = 2 divisions
1 division = 5 regiments
1 regiment = 10 platoons
1 platoon = 10 squads
1 squads = 30 men

Eagle Batalion = 300,000 men 40,000 reenforcements
Lead by: 3rd Class (highest is 4) Colonel George Jacob Kileson Senior
4th Red Batalion = 300,000 men, 40,000 reenforcements
Lead by: 2nd Class Colonel Harrold Huls
All together: 680,000 men

bump for anyone who wants to join or is interested.

No more than I believe in the liberation of the poeple by the struggle, no more do I believe in the all out war against the evil communism. This discussion is turning out to be sick. In other words, get a life!

This isn't sick. Compared to most conversations I have in RL, this is nothing. (If anyone knows the song Skeletor vs. Beastman, that's a lot of my problem)

No more than I believe in the liberation of the poeple by the struggle, no more do I believe in the all out war against the evil communism. This discussion is turning out to be sick. In other words, get a life!

This is only an RP for smeg sake.

This is only an RP for smeg sake.

People often have the unfortunate tendency not to dissociate RL with other things. I have no problems with that, because I'm actually a much nicer person online.

I believe you all know where the Armed Republic of the Toori stands. We are anti-communistic, and anti-fascistic.

I believe you all know where the Armed Republic of the Toori stands. We are anti-communistic, and anti-fascistic.

Well you know what, we're anti-people who talk about what they're anti-. Oh, wait. Uh ohh, what do I do now?

VIVA Revolution comrades!!!!, the occupation is over and a new dawn of communism is at hand in NC.

VIVA Revolution comrades!!!!, the occupation is over and a new dawn of communism is at hand in NC.

So you're fighting in this, then?

Guys, it appears as though SL has been grounded, so either we'll have to put this on hold, or figure somewhere else to have things happen.