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(this thread details the activities of the NC civil resistance so far. The original thread (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=524293) is getting a little cluttered)
EDIT: for your further convenience, all IC posts regarding the NC civil resistance will be edited into this post
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The Resistance
Already, contractors from TPF were coming in to develop mines, factories, and take advantage of the new, cheaper labor. Capitalism at its finest.

It was a new golden day in North Calaveras
Lenin Memorial Tractor Factory, NC
Though they could clearly hear the machinery running, The TPF contractors found the factory barricaded. Whoever was running the machines must have been keeping an eye out for visitors. A big man with calloused hands and a friendly face came out around the back of the factory to greet them.

"Hello, comrades. I am Gabrial Markovich. Oh- you must be-" His smile died." I'm afraid that there is no work for you here. You say you want to free us? I'm afraid that you're a little late. This was a State factory, now it's a collective factory. If that equipment you bring is a gift, we are grateful. If you are selling it, then we will negotiate and I will bring your offer back to the factory assembly for approval. If you are selling it and will not tell us the price until later," his face was filled with the anger stirred by the implicit meaning of his words, "then we know that it will cost too much. If there is nothing else, I'll be going back to work now."

This scene was repeated in workplaces all over the land of North Calaveras. Freedom had come to NC, but not in the sense that the invaders had envisioned it. Roads and railways were being blocked with the living bodies of peasants- everywhere the army encountered resistance: from barely perceivable (and all the more frustrating for it) foot-dragging to massive sit-down strikes. One name was on the lips of both old guard party elite and the occupation command: Vandana Goldman. And that name left a bitter taste indeed.

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TPF had to ... oversee the elections,

From the FOEnet broadcast "International Perspectives":
Vandana Goldman Speaks!

We are speaking today via satellite with Vandana Goldman, whose words and ideas are widely believed to be the chief inspiration behind the North Calaveran Solidarity movement.

FOEnet :Fellow Worker Goldman, What do you think of the free elections being planned by the occupation authorities?

VG: The people of North Calaveras have had more than enough of such nonsense under the Old Regime, and frankly I don't think that too many Calaverans are interested in them.

FOEnet : Why you would say that?

VG:The newly formed Congress of Factory Committees and United Farmers' Unions have announced a boycott- that's a directly democratic consensus by the vast majority of the country's workforce. The people of North Calaveras want nothing to do with the ambitions of the invader. They will not be anyone's 'cheap labor.' They are rebuilding- on their own terms. This doesn't mean that they want the old government back either.

FOEnet : But wouldn't democracy bring prosperity and freedom to the people of NC?

VG: The CFC and the UFU represent more 'democracy' then any farcical election can bring- especially one that is being run by an invading tyrant state with some very serious human rights problems of it's own. As for bringing prosperity to the nation, the workers of NC are already doing this on their own terms and they will gladly accept the aid of their fellow workers from abroad.

FOEnet : It's been a pleasure speaking with you FW Goldman.

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From FOEnet's "International News":

Hundreds of thousands of North Calaverans are in the streets of the country's capital today. They are demanding an immediate withdrawal of all occupying forces and substantial economic reparations from all of the powers involved in the invasion. Delegates of the CFC-UFU organizations which are now believed to comprise most of NC's workforce voiced this popular sentiment at the rally:


"The bringers of senseless destruction must be held responsible for rebuilding our country, but it is we the people who must do the rebuilding! The murderous campaign of TPF and it's allies must not be rewarded with lucrative contracts and control over our economic and political system. They should instead be made to pay for the deaths of so many of our people and the destruction of vital infrastructure by providing us the funds to procure the tools and materials that we need to rebuild from more worthy nations!"

...

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for immediate release
The First Marxgrad Declaration of the Calaveras Freedom Congress

The invaders have already killed at least three hundred and fifty thousand human beings and caused untold damage to the nation's infastructure. The death toll would have been tenfold were it not for the resourcefulness of the workers of Calaveras and indispensable humanitarian aid from abroad. All this death and all this suffering! And for what? "Freedom?" The workers now hold the reigns over their own destiny and the presence of TFP forces only strengthens support for the old government. If the TFP invasion was indeed simply a misguided effort to liberate the people of North Calaveras, then they must leave. Every day that even a single TFP soldier stands on Calaveran soil brings more of our people into the armed resistance militias- reactionary formations that are already beginning to weaken and destabilize the very social movements bringing freedom to our country.

If you truly want us to have freedom, then get out now, before it is too late.

The real cause for this invasion was the profit motive- what the government of TPF would call 'capitalism at it's finest.' This is a lost cause. There is an old saying in North Calaveras: "we would rather starve to spite our enemy then starve to make our enemy wealthy." There will never be a place for the invader in our new democratic economy. Your farcical 'elections' have been superseded by our own self-organization.

This war has already cost TPF much in blood and treasure and the cost is only getting higher. It is time to cut your losses. To do anything else will cost us our freedom. It will in the very least cost the TPF economy an untold fortune in both the gold that the capitalists covet and the beloved dead that the widows mourn: Get out now!


-Congress of Factory Committees
-United Farmers' Unions
-Organization for Womens' Freedom in Calaveras
-Calaveran Student Union
-Union of the Homeless and Unemployed,
-Movement for Workers' Control
-Calaveran LBGTQ Rights Coalition
-Calaverans for Communist Direct Democracy and Social Justice

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for immediate release
The Second Marxgrad Declaration of the Calaveras Freedom Congress

Industrial Democracy has come to North Calaveras but it seems that the occupying powers are dead set on imposing a government of their choice on the workers of our nation. They cloak their true intentions in demands for 'free elections' that they insist on 'overseeing.' We will never allow hostile regimes that have murdered nearly 400,000 of our people such control over our political lives. They know that the vast majority of North Calaverans will refuse to participate in such a farce- they know that their brand of 'free election' will ensure their continued power over us.

North Calaveras will not be ready for truly free elections until she has a new constitution. The constituent organizations of the Calaveras Freedom Congress have been laying the groundwork for a constitutional convention, and the national elections that will follow immediately thereafter. We welcome neutral election observers from all countries. Observers from the invading powers and their allies will themselves be watched carefully and their objections will be met with intense scrutiny.

-Congress of Factory Committees
-United Farmers' Unions
-Organization for Womens' Freedom in Calaveras
-Calaveran Student Union
-Union of the Homeless and Unemployed
-Movement for Workers' Control
-Calaveran LBGTQ Rights Coalition
-Calaverans for Communist Direct Democracy and Social Justice

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From the Outer Eugenian quarterly Political Studies Review:

The proceedings of the Calaveran Constitutional Convention are somewhat similar to the form of participatory budgeting used in Porto Alegre, Brazil (PSR, sept, 1990 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participatory_budgeting) ) and Free Outer Eugenia's collective planning system. It is a five phase process.

During the first phase factory committees and local (neighborhood-based in cities, village based in the countryside) assemblies will create documents detailing the various principles that they want incorporated into the constitution.

In the second phase, the collectives choose delegates to send these documents to the Constitutional Convention where they are incorporated into a tentative constitutional document.

In the third phase, this document is sent back to the collectives for approval and amendment.

It is then sent back to the Convention in the fourth phase for minor amendment. Depending on the electoral mandate of the third process, more serious amendments may implemented in the fourth phase.

In the fifth phase the final draft is presented to the whole of the electorate. Depending on the electoral mandate present in the earlier parts of the process multiple drafts may be presented.

The third, fourth and fifth phases are continued until a compromise is reached that is approved by 2/3 of the total electorate. This incorporates certain aspects of the consensus process into what is basically an electoral...


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Inspired by the freedom and equality of the Constantinian system, the people of NC overwhelmingly approved a slightly altered version of the 1986 Constitution by an 83% margin when it was brought back to the various towns, villages, and workers' councils of North Calaveras.

The Calaveras Freedom Congress prepared for the first free election to be held in their country. A new democratic age was dawning.

The Lerasian View is that we are completely against the interfernece of other countries affairs. For the First Time in his 25 year power President Romescu gave a speech to a crowd at his 62nd birthday celebrations in Romescu Square

"What gives any nation the right to interfere in another nations affairs! What gives any nation the right to invade a country, to prop up an unpopular system that was brought in on the backs of some invaders..."

Critics called Romescu's speech a hint at foriegn nations to but out of Lerasia's human rights records after the high profiled arrest of the outspoken journalist Victor Devenco.

The Lerasian Government supports any movement that is against an occupying force. we think its a nobel, heroic struggle all you freedom fighters are fighting for and the fact that its a non violence movement has even made us respect you even more. We are happy to help in anyway we can begin exports of some bags of food to the families that are going on strikes



OOC: Please check your telegrams :))

for immediate release
The Second Marxgrad Declaration of the Calaveras Freedom Congress

Industrial Democracy has come to North Calaveras but it seems that the occupying powers are dead set on imposing a government of their choice on the workers of our nation. They cloak their true intentions in demands for 'free elections' that they insist on 'overseeing.' We will never allow hostile regimes that have murdered nearly 400,000 of our people such control over our political lives. They know that the vast majority of North Calaverans will refuse to participate in such a farce- they know that their brand of 'free election' will ensure their continued power over us.

North Calaveras will not be ready for truly free elections until she has a new constitution. The constituent organizations of the Calaveras Freedom Congress have been laying the groundwork for a constitutional convention, and the national elections that will follow immediately thereafter. We welcome neutral election observers from all countries. Observers from the invading powers and their allies will themselves be watched carefully and their objections will be met with intense scrutiny.

-Congress of Factory Committees
-United Farmers' Unions
-Organization for Womens' Freedom in Calaveras
-Calaveran Student Union
-Union of the Homeless and Unemployed
-Movement for Workers' Control
-Calaveran LBGTQ Rights Coalition
-Calaverans for Communist Direct Democracy and Social Justice

for immediate release
The Second Marxgrad Declaration of the Calaveras Freedom Congress

Industrial Democracy has come to North Calaveras but it seems that the occupying powers are dead set on imposing a government of their choice on the workers of our nation. They cloak their true intentions in demands for 'free elections' that they insist on 'overseeing.' We will never allow hostile regimes that have murdered nearly 400,000 of our people such control over our political lives. They know that the vast majority of North Calaverans will refuse to participate in such a farce- they know that their brand of 'free election' will ensure their continued power over us.

North Calaveras will not be ready for truly free elections until she has a new constitution. The constituent organizations of the Calaveras Freedom Congress have been laying the groundwork for a constitutional convention, and the national elections that will follow immediately thereafter. We welcome neutral election observers from all countries. Observers from the invading powers and their allies will themselves be watched carefully and their objections will be met with intense scrutiny.

-Congress of Factory Committees
-United Farmers' Unions
-Organization for Womens' Freedom in Calaveras
-Calaveran Student Union
-Union of the Homeless and Unemployed
-Movement for Workers' Control
-Calaveran LBGTQ Rights Coalition
-Calaverans for Communist Direct Democracy and Social Justice

The Errikan Empire fully agrees with your demand for a constitution, something which we fully believe to be a necessary part of a stable republic. Of course, in order for this to be worth doing, it must serve to protect the life, liberty, and property of all, not just a minority at the expense of the majority and not just a majority at the expense of the minority; thus, should the current occupiers approve of this motion, the Errikan Empire would like to send advisors to this meeting.

Thousands had red flags and pictures of Kash waving madly in the air, people were hugging and couples were kissing.

Kash sat and watched the news, a smile formed with the lips of his mouth.
Kash: well i knew the people would do it, god bless them.


ttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=quC1Dv301Cc

(i know its cuban just think of it as NC communist crowds)

The Errikan Empire fully agrees with your demand for a constitution, something which we fully believe to be a necessary part of a stable republic. Of course, in order for this to be worth doing, it must serve to protect the life, liberty, and property of all, not just a minority at the expense of the majority and not just a majority at the expense of the minority; thus, should the current occupiers approve of this motion, the Errikan Empire would like to send advisers to this meeting.
Errikan observers will be welcome- the meeting is open to all, though speaking privileges throughout most of the proceedings will be reserved for the locality and soviet delegates who will be combining the various drafts presented to them by their constituencies. If by 'property rights' you mean the legal framework that allows wealthy individuals to steal the labor of the working class, then you will probably be disappointed. Most of us hold that capitalism is nesseserilly a system that protects the privileges of a minority at the expense of the human rights and well-being of the majority.

-Robert Jones,
CFC Office of Communications

The communist people starting cheering so loudly that all you heard was a blare of noise and saw a sea of red flags and red banners on people.

Colonle Peirce got word of this and turned the radio up smiling to his comrades, the freedom fighters cheered and started popping small bottles of Red blood( a copy of whiskey with a cherry color and flavor)

Errikan observers will be welcome- the meeting is open to all, though speaking privileges throughout most of the proceedings will be reserved for the locality and soviet delegates who will be combining the various drafts presented to them by their constituencies. If by 'property rights' you mean the legal framework that allows wealthy individuals to steal the labor of the working class, then you will probably be disappointed. Most of us hold that capitalism is nesseserilly a system that protects the privileges of a minority at the expense of the human rights and well-being of the majority.

-Robert Jones,
CFC Office of Communications

By "property rights" we were referring to a basic right of human beings, on the same level as life and liberty, which apply equally to the property of all, not merely any minority, nor any majority. To disregard this one may as well disregard the others.

The people would continue this for weeks if they had to, they also insisted the freedom of there great leader Kash Wilson

Communist member #1: Free him from your capitalist chains!!!
more cheers erupted.

Communist member#1:Workers of the world unite!!!

more cheers.

OCC: Im going to be on in 1 hour. continue though,

By "property rights" we were referring to a basic right of human beings, on the same level as life and liberty, which apply equally to the property of all, not merely any minority, nor any majority. To disregard this one may as well disregard the others. The same argument is used in some countries to protect the 'right' to own human beings. The land and factories of NC is the property of all of it's people. We would never yield on this point for the benefit of a minority that would seek to buy up our nation's wealth at bargain bin prices.

My shirt is my personal property, the factory in which I produce belongs to me and my fellow workers.

The same argument is used in some countries to protect the 'right' to own human beings. At the moment, the land and factories of NC is the property of all of it's people. We would never yield on this point for the benefit of a minority that would seek to buy up our nation's wealth at bargain bin prices.

My shirt is my personal property, the factory in which I produce belongs to me and my fellow workers.

Of course ideas can be perverted. One could just as easily condemn the entire idea of science since it was once used to justify racism.

And, once again, of couse we do not question the right to own property collectively; in fact, one may argue that that falls under the very property rights that you now argue against. But what is abomination, however, is when the state forcibly removes the property of one group, be it a majority or a minority, to redistribute it to another. That is a violation as real as any vaunted civil rights abuse. When the state violates the rights of the individual or of rightful groups, be it the will of one group who seeks to gain advantage from it or otherwise, it not only is injustice at that time and place to those oppressed, it establishes a precident by which the state can oppress others in the future; it is the abomination which a constitution should be in place to avoid.

OCC: my friend free is making the consitution and im sure we will all be pleased.

OOC: I won't actually be writing up an entire document. There will be general statements of principles and a description of the new government, etc. These will be assumed IC to exist in a comprehensive legal document.

After all, I RP Free Outer Eugenia as an anarchist federation almost as much out of a desire to avoid annoying legalistic nitpicking as out of my actual social principles;)

And Wanderjar, did you threaten to invade Lerasia is they didn't back off or something? :p

OCC: I WANT MY PRESIDENT BACK, I surrednerd the rebellion to do so.

OCC: my friend free is making the consitution and im sure we will all be pleased.

OOC: That would be great, as it would go far to defuse the entire situation.

OOC: I won't actually be writing up an entire document. There will be general statements of principles and a description of the new government, etc. These will be assumed IC to exist in a comprehensive legal document.

After all, I RP Free Outer Eugenia as an anarchist federation almost as much out of a desire to avoid annoying legalistic nitpicking as out of my actual social principles;)

And Wanderjar, did you threaten to invade Lerasia is they didn't back off or something? :p

OOC: I was wondering about that middle note: if you have an anarchy, and thus no government, what entity is sending out all of these messages? And how would you have a military and such?

OOC: In RP terms, these messages are actually being sent by the NC civil resistance who I am RPing with the permission of NC's player. Several Free Outer Eugenian organizers (most notably Vandana Goldman) are involved with the CFC. That is the entire extent of FOE's involvement in RP terms.

And just because FOE has an Anarchist society does not mean that it lacks organization. Quite the contrary. In an anarchist society, federations of free collectives and communes as well as various 'civil society' groups preform the vital functions that are usurped by corporations and the state in capitalist societies.

For more specifics on FOE in particular, take a look at my NS wiki entry:
http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Free_Outer_Eugenia

OOC: In RP terms, these messages are actually being sent by the NC civil resistance who I am RPing with the permission of NC's player. Several Free Outer Eugenian organizers (most notably Vandana Goldman) are involved with the CFC. That is the entire extent of FOE's involvement in RP terms.

And just because FOE has an Anarchist society does not mean that it lacks organization. Quite the contrary. In an anarchist society, federations of free collectives and communes as well as various 'civil society' groups preform the vital functions that are usurped by corporations and the state in capitalist societies.

For more specifics on FOE in particular, take a look at my NS wiki entry:
http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Free_Outer_Eugenia

OOC: I like it when people have good NSwikis, and yours is very thorough. Good job.

So your nation itself has nothing to do with this? So all of the walking on eggshells, which I just found (http://nstracker.retrogade.com/index.php?nation=errikland&nation2=Free+Outer+Eugenia&nation3=&nation4=&nation5=&nation6=) to be less important than I had previously thought, was unnecessary, as we are just dealing with NC, not a six billion nation?

OCC: I WANT MY PRESIDENT BACK, I surrednerd the rebellion to do so.
OOC: I'll work on it, but remember I also have to handle McLeod03's little shots-from-the-hip.:rolleyes: Indeed, I do believe I have the leverage now that Wanderjar's on board with our plan. I just need to be careful, since I only had 300 soldiers in your country to start with and now 30 of them are dead by an IC-unknown party's hands; not enough to force matters by far, so patience please. Thanks.;)
IC
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Official USSW Message to All Parties in the North Calaveran Matter
As leader of my nation, I must do two things; no, three. First, I must praise the North Calaveran Resistance for their act of principle; sparing their people the horrors of a prolonged war so that they may yet win back through votes the Revolution that was stolen from them so wrongly by arms. Your dedication has moved me, Comrades; and I shall remember this always. And I also say, that it is high time the blatant charade regarding the former Calaveran leader was ended. How exactly are Kash Wilson and the North Calaveran Communist Party to fairly campaign in the elections the First Reich of The PeoplesFreedom has promised, if said Kash Wilson remains incommunicado and under house arrest the entire time? Our forces have beyond honored our end of the deal bringing us into this mission, having secured without bloodshed the surrender and internment under our custody of the entire insurgent force; it is time the Calaveran people were rewarded politically for this act of submission, as is only fair, and so I formally call for the release of Comrade Kash Wilson upon only what conditions of nonviolence and fair play make sense for participation in the coming political contest to decide his nation's future when the occupation ends, as it must in due time.
Second, I must extend my hand in Revolutionary Comradeship to the Calaveran Freedom Congress as well; your insistence that Capitalism not be restored to Revolutionary soil finds full agreement with me, and I honor your insistence upon the People's rights as much as the Individual's; for they are codependent, and without the People's rights being respected the Individual's must surely fall soon after into the cesspit of corporatist tyranny and despair. We urge our associates in The PeoplesFreedom and Errikland to respect Calaveran popular sovereignty in this matter, even if the former may have the occupying power at present; for the just exercise of such may only be enhanced by such cooperation. We await your proposed constitution for the Calaveran government to come eagerly, for we believe it shall prove a sensible compromise to end a truly mad situation as things stand.
And thirdly, to whosoever staged the cowardly attack that claimed the lives of thirty of my finest Rangers, I have this to say... COME OUT!! Show yourself if you have any Honor, or at least let us hear your sniveling voice from whence you cower before the prospect of facing our collective might; and explain unto us all precisely why you see fit to bring more war to a land that has seen its fill already? As a guerrilla fighter first and then as a Commander-in-Chief, I have personally brought low opposition of far greater worth than what you seem in my time; and yet I am also a man willing to overlook small tragedies for the sake of Peace, only provided that is what they remain: small. But unprovoked aggression against me and mine begets only one response: Unrestricted Vengeance!
Explain yourselves to me, and I may yet stay my soldiers' hands from what they mean to do in their own sovereign right of self-defense. Fail, and you shall reap the consequences by me and my allies' hands. Your choice; and I respectfully urge you, for all our sakes, to choose wisely.

Sincerely,
Carolinus Horridus
Party Secretary, Wagdoggie Revolutionary Party
General Secretary, United Socialist States of Wagdog

OOC: I actually RP Free Outer Eugenia at 1% of it's NS population, so it's closer to 60 million. FOE is an environmentally sustainable country that occupies a territory that is about the size of the US eastern seaboard. A population equivalent to that of RL Earth would make no sense in a modern technological context.

I have been vaguely thinking of RPing the other 99% of my available population as belonging to various oversees communes that have social and economic ties to the Federation.

But anyway... walking on eggshells?:confused:
If you are referring to a lack of massive repression, such a contingency would probably prompt FOE's International Brigades (and presumably some of those 6 billion people who I just remembered about;) ) to open up a serious can of whoop ass. They've been watching this situation unfold and the people of FOE are very much rooting for the civil resistance.

OOC: I actually RP Free Outer Eugenia at 1% of it's NS population, so it's closer to 60 million. FOE is an environmentally sustainable country that occupies a territory that is about the size of the US eastern seaboard. A population equivalent to that of RL Earth would make no sense in a modern technological context.

I have been vaguely thinking of RPing the other 99% of my available population as belonging to various oversees communes that have social and economic ties to the Federation.

But anyway... walking on eggshells?:confused:
If you are referring to a lack of massive repression, such a contingency would probably prompt FOE's International Brigades (and presumably some of those 6 billion people who I just remembered about;) ) to open up a serious can of whoop ass. They've been watching this situation unfold and the people of FOE are very much rooting for the civil resistance.

OOC: That is quite an interesting situation.

By "walking on eggshells," I was referring to humoring these antics while I gathered the situations of my allies far more than I would have otherwise.

I officially declare that this war is no longer (not that it ever was) in the Interest of the Wanderjarian people, and will be withdrawing. There will be an IC post in an hour or so (TPF hasn't posted in awhile, and I need the troops stationed here for another war elsewhere.)


Errikland, Wagdog, I encourgage you to fight against Hataria's idiocy. It'll be quite a showdown (especially once I invade....lets just say it'll be different).

OOC: wait- when did Hataria get involved?:confused:
EDIT: Oh you mean that you're withdrawing to fight Hataria.
Well to each his own. IMHO certain players should just be ignored on sight.

OOC: wait- when did Hataria get involved?:confused:
EDIT: Oh you mean that you're withdrawing to fight Hataria.
Well to each his own. IMHO certain players should just be ignored on sight.

I agree with you whole heartedly my friend, but I've been wanting to conquer him for some time now: now I get my chance. I'm going to have sooo much fun with this. If you'd like to join me, please do!

I officially declare that this war is no longer (not that it ever was) in the Interest of the Wanderjarian people, and will be withdrawing. There will be an IC post in an hour or so (TPF hasn't posted in awhile, and I need the troops stationed here for another war elsewhere.)


Errikland, Wagdog, I encourgage you to fight against Hataria's idiocy. It'll be quite a showdown (especially once I invade....lets just say it'll be different).
TO: the People Of Northern Calaveras
With the Wandejar forces leaving we shall have a great peace on our Earth, It is my pleasure to tell you that all Thakurian forces shall leave to their home. We also would like to tell you that with your permission we would love to send economic advisors and engineers to rebuild the infastructure of the nation. As your neighbors and friends we will send whatever you may need because we aknowledge you will do the same. Long Live The Revolution! Long Live Democracy! Long Live the People's Socialism!

Sincerely,
Matteo Ferrofusil
General Secretary of the Thakurian Revolutionary Party

TO: the People Of Northern Calaveras
With the Wandejar forces leaving we shall have a great peace on our Earth, It is my pleasure to tell you that all Thakurian forces shall leave to their home. We also would like to tell you that with your permission we would love to send economic advisors and engineers to rebuild the infastructure of the nation. As your neighbors and friends we will send whatever you may need because we aknowledge you will do the same. Long Live The Revolution! Long Live Democracy! Long Live the People's Socialism!

Sincerely,
Matteo Ferrofusil
General Secretary of the Thakurian Revolutionary Party

OOC: I was only a small portion of the invasion. I really contributed very little. Most of it was TPF, thus there is still a war going on. I'm just pulling out.

I officially declare that this war is no longer (not that it ever was) in the Interest of the Wanderjarian people, and will be withdrawing. There will be an IC post in an hour or so (TPF hasn't posted in awhile, and I need the troops stationed here for another war elsewhere.)


Errikland, Wagdog, I encourgage you to fight against Hataria's idiocy. It'll be quite a showdown (especially once I invade....lets just say it'll be different).
OOC: TG's please Wanderjar, thanks.:headbang:

Thank you wagdog for your unwavering support for the Revolution, After this bloody occupation is over we will be great allies. The only thing that I fear now is if they havnt done anything bad to my president, for him to die would be a massive disappointment and probably result in a complete violent revolution by the population itself.

It is very sad to see forces still fighting in my country after my rebellion has stoped, it is also sad to hear of the death of the Emperor of sith clan. We just want the blood shed to stop, so we can become a nation of peace once again.

Thank you wagdog for your unwavering support for the Revolution, After this bloody occupation is over we will be great allies. The only thing that I fear now is if they havnt done anything bad to my president, for him to die would be a massive disappointment and probably result in a complete violent revolution by the population itself.
OOC: No problem, once your new government is in power there are several alliances of mine you can join which I'm sure you'd be accepted into.:) I don't think we'll need to worry about any presidential assassination on TPF's part, since Wanderjar's not totally bugging out (as you'll see in the IC thread) and has let them know why.
So long as we have sufficient forces to uphold our end of the surrender terms, and your people stay quiet enough (you can RP your prisoners playing around in the barracks or just goofing off, since we're really not confining you any more than necessary; 'necessary' meaning a few guards outside your barracks and so) TPF can't afford not to uphold his end unless he wants to bring more upon himself than he can handle; possibly even outside your country. In short, I think things are looking good here for you...;)

OCC: Okay i will do so.

Of course ideas can be perverted. One could just as easily condemn the entire idea of science since it was once used to justify racism.

And, once again, of couse we do not question the right to own property collectively; in fact, one may argue that that falls under the very property rights that you now argue against. But what is abomination, however, is when the state forcibly removes the property of one group, be it a majority or a minority, to redistribute it to another. That is a violation as real as any vaunted civil rights abuse. When the state violates the rights of the individual or of rightful groups, be it the will of one group who seeks to gain advantage from it or otherwise, it not only is injustice at that time and place to those oppressed, it establishes a precident by which the state can oppress others in the future; it is the abomination which a constitution should be in place to avoid.

bump

OCC:i cant wait for elections! lol

Im sure the people will be pleased by there decisions, lets just hope our great leader is released.

OCC:i cant wait for elections! lol

Im sure the people will be pleased by there decisions, lets just hope our great leader is released.

OOC: Has he finished your constitution, then?

No he hasnt.

No he hasnt.

OOC: Oh, well, it probably will not be too long.

From the Outer Eugenian quarterly Political Studies Review:

The proceedings of the Calaveran Constitutional Convention are somewhat similar to the form of participatory budgeting used in Porto Alegre, Brazil (PSR, sept, 1990 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Participatory_budgeting) ) and Free Outer Eugenia's collective planning system. It is a five phase process.

During the first phase factory committees and local (neighborhood-based in cities, village based in the countryside) assemblies will create documents detailing the various principles that they want incorporated into the constitution.

In the second phase, the collectives send delegates to bring these documents to the Constitutional Convention where they are incorporated into a tentative constitutional document.

In the third phase, this document is sent back to the collectives for approval and amendment.

It is then sent back to the Convention in the fourth phase for minor amendment. Depending on the electoral mandate of the third process, more serious amendments may implemented in the fourth phase.

In the fifth phase the final draft is presented to the whole of the electorate. Depending on the electoral mandate present in the earlier parts of the process multiple drafts may be presented.

The third, fourth and fifth phases are continued until a compromise is reached that is approved by 2/3 of the total electorate. This incorporates certain aspects of the consensus process into what is basically an electoral...


(OOC: We will assume that we are at the end of fourth phase #1. I will present an outline of principles (I'm not writing an entire constitution) for the player of NC to approve. This will in RP terms represent the results of the 5th phase.)

OOC: The people of NC were so impressed with the 1986 constitution of Constantinopolis that the constitutional convention is going to send it nearly unaltered to the electorate. In other words most of this is copied from C's wiki page with some (shitty) change of tense in a few places. He has a great democratic communist model so why mess with a good thing, right? And knowing him, he'll be glad that another country has adopted his system. This isn't so much a constitutional document as it is a list of principles that are assumed to exist in an IC document. So without further ado, here it is. onto the fifth and (hopefully) final phase of NC's constitutional process!

Politics

The government of NC shall consist of three branches: the Legislature, the Executive, and the Judiciary.

-The Legislature is a bicameral parliament. The upper chamber of this parliament is the People's Assembly, with 800 members elected every 4 years by universal suffrage. The lower chamber is known as the Agora, and it consists of the entire adult population. Upon reaching 18 years of age, every person is issued with a MVD (Mobile Voting Device), which is a device similar to a mobile phone, used exclusively for voting. The MVD network is kept extremely secure, and each MVD unit can be used only by the person it was built for (the MVD identifies its owner through a retina scan, and it can only be activated by its owner's voice command). Using their MVD's, the people of NC shall participate directly in the law-making process. Not every law passes through the Agora, however - since that would be impractical. The Constitution contains a list of issues which can only be legislated by the Agora (these are generally the issues of the highest importance, including any changes to the Constitution itself); in addition, the Agora can be consulted on any other matter, if at least 1/4 of the Assembly wishes it. To be more exact, the law-making process goes as follows: a proposal for a new law is submitted to the Assembly. The members of the Assembly discuss the issue, and vote on the law. If at least 25% of them are dissatisfied with the result of the vote, they can demand a vote in the Agora. In that case, the proposed law is presented to the people on their MVD's, and they are asked to vote on it (For or Against). The decision taken by the majority of the people becomes final and binding (the law is either passed or rejected).

-The Executive is known as the Council of People's Commissars. It consists of 15 Commissars and a Chairman, each of whom are elected individually for 4-year terms. The elections for the Council of People's Commissars take place in the same years as the elections for the People's Assembly, but they are entirely separate events. The Chairman of the Council of People's Commissars (usually referred to simply as the Chairman or "President") is both the head of government and the head of state.

Economy

Being a socialist economy, NC has established public property over the means of production (the "means of production" are natural resources and tools that can be used for the purpose of economic production - things such as factories, cultivated land, etc). There are two forms of such "public property": Collective property and state property. Besides public property, there is also personal property, which applies to all objects that are not means of production. All three forms of property are discussed below.

-As stated above, personal property applies to all objects that are not means of production. In other words, it applies to all items for personal use. For example, everything found in a typical person's home is usually personal property. Personal property rights in a socialist system are quite similar to private property rights in a capitalist system, with one important exception: Personal property may not be used for commercial purposes.

-Collective property is a form of property over means of production. It applies to almost a third of all cultivated land, in addition to all small enterprises (those with fewer than 40 workers). An enterprise under collective property is an enterprise owned by its workers. Roughly speaking, the workers are "shareholders" in such an enterprise, all with an equal number of "shares". They may organize themselves however they wish, and vote to elect the management. Cultivated land under collective property usually consists of small farmsteads, owned by one or several families. If a farmstead or enterprise under collective property wishes to hire new workers, those workers become additional co-owners of the enterprise or farmstead.

-Enterprises that have between 40 and 200 workers are owned in part by their workers and in part by the state. These are usually called "mixed property" (part collective property, part state property). The bigger the enterprise, the bigger the share owned by the state. The state owns a share of 20% in enterprises with 40-80 workers, 40% in enterprises with 80-120 workers, 60% in enterprises with 120-160 workers, and 80% in enterprises with 160-200 workers.

-Enterprises with over 200 workers, as well as around two thirds of all cultivated land, are under full state property. Thus, the state owns the vast majority of the means of production. It also owns all other land (including roads, urban land, forests, and wildlife sanctuaries), the country's infrastructure and public transportation system, and, of course, government buildings and other items necessary for the functioning of the state.

-A special case of state property is the media (TV channels, radio, and printed newspapers). These are funded and technically owned by the state, but they are run and managed by their own workers. State employees are strictly forbidden to interfere in the media, and the penalties for breaking this law are very high. As to the internet, the government of NC enthusiastically supports this new form of communication as the end of all restrictions on free speech. The state shall embark on an ambitious program to ensure that every household in NC owns a computer with an internet connection by the year 2010.


Economic planning

-The NC economy shall bemanaged through three main agencies: the Central Planning Commission, the State Bank, and the Commission for Resource Management. The economy Shall be directed by a series of four-year plans For every enterprise, the planning agencies define the quantity and ratio of economic inputs (e.g., labour and raw materials), a schedule for completion, all wholesale prices and nearly all retail prices.

-The process of drafting a four-year plan begins roughly six months before the plan is scheduled to be implemented. This means that the process begins in the month of February of the year immediately following an election year; it is therefore the first major task of any newly-elected government (and, a certain direction in economic planning will likely be a key feature of a political party's electoral platform).

-The Central Planning Commission sets basic guidelines for economic planning. It drafts at least four different plan proposals that specify the general direction of the economy and general economic policies. These proposals are then submitted to the Agora (the lower house of parliament, consisting of all adult citizens of North Calaveras). The Agora votes and chooses which proposal should be implemented (this vote is essentially a referendum on general economic policy). A "none of the above" option exists, in order to enable the people to reject all proposals if they believe the Central Planning Commission did not give them a real choice (by making the proposals too similar), or if they believe all of the proposals are too far removed from their needs and wishes. If the "none of the above" option wins, the Central Planning Commission must draft new proposals.

-After the approval of a proposal by the Agora, that proposal becomes the basis on which the new economic plan will be built. Combining the broad goals laid out by the approved proposal with data supplied by lower administrative levels regarding the current state of the economy, the Central Planning Commission works out a set of preliminary plan targets. The task of planners is to balance resources and requirements to ensure that the necessary inputs are provided for the planned output.

-Economic planning is done on a sectoral basis. In other words, the main plan contains sub-plans for each sector of the economy. The Central Planning Commission sends the preliminary plan targets and figures downwards through a planning hierarchy that has a pyramidal structure. Each agency in this hierarchy receives the data required for its own activity, takes it through a process of detailed elaboration, and then breaks up the resulting sub-plan into different chunks that are sent down to different branches of the agency. Those branches follow a similar process and send their even more detailed data to lower units, until it eventually reaches the level of individual enterprises.

-Enterprises are called upon to develop the most detailed plans covering all aspects of their operations so that they can assess the feasibility of targets, thus opening up the most intense bargaining phase in the planning process. As the individual enterprise drafts its detailed production plans, the flow of information is reversed: enterprise managers and even rank-and-file workers often participate in the planning process at this level. Also at the enterprise level, labour unions often get involved in the planning process, bargaining with managers in order to advance the interests of the workers.

-Once they are completed, the enterprises' draft plans are sent back up through the planning hierarchy for review. This process also entails bargaining, with all parties seeking the target levels and input figures that best suit their interests.

-After this bargaining process, the Central Planning Commission receives the revised estimates and compiles them into one nationwide economic plan. Then, the redrafted plan is sent to the People's Assembly (the upper house of parliament) for approval. If the plan fails to receive the approval of a simple majority, it is sent back to the Central Planning Commission together with a list of issues that the Assembly wishes to be fixed. If the revised and re-revised plan fails to gain the approval of the Assembly three times in a row, it is abandoned (and a new plan must be drafted from scratch, going through the entire drafting process described above). So far, this has never been necessary.

-The review, revision, and approval of the four-year plan are followed by another downward flow of information, this time with the amended and final plan containing the specific targets for each sector of the economy. At this point, implementation begins and is largely the responsibility of enterprise managers.

Education Rights
The NC education system shall be entirely free and public, including all the universities.


Rights
free speech, due process, etc ,etc. General "hands off" policy regarding the personal lives of people.


The Constitution of NC recognizes the separation of church and state, and stipulates that the free exercise of religion (or the lack thereof) is a basic human right guaranteed to all persons living within the borders of NC.

Inspired by the freedom and equality of the Constantinian system, the people of NC overwhelmingly approved a slightly altered version of the 1986 Constitution by an 83% margin when it was brought back to the various towns, villages, and workers' councils of North Calaveras.

The Calaveras Freedom Congress prepared for the first free election to be held in their country. A new democratic age was dawning.

Inspired by the freedom and equality of the Constantinian system, the people of NC overwhelmingly approved a slightly altered version of the 1986 Constitution by an 83% margin when it was brought back to the various towns, villages, and workers' councils of North Calaveras.

The Calaveras Freedom Congress prepared for the first free election to be held in their country. A new democratic age was dawning.

OCC: They will have to met with my troops to organize voting times, places, etc.

OCC: very well.

Crowds gatherd in the millions to see the return of their leader.

crowds chanted: VIVA REVOLUTION!!! VIVA KASH!!!!!

A chopper was sent to pick up the president.