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Ok now I was the old Zactarn Prime but due to personal events my nation was deleted. I've created a new one and am looking to get back into the swing of things and I thought the Civil War would be interesting:

The date is December 21, 1860 and South Carolina has just secceded from the Union North. The North are upset and feel betrayed and enraged. Many are calling for affirmative action and President James Buchanan and Vice-President and presidential hopeful John C. Breckinridge are receiving heavy pressure for action...but Buchanan fears of doing much and wishes to end his presidency without bloodshed so that the next will have it to deal with. From the Dred Scott descision to the now apparent South Carolina seccession his presidency was not the most popular.

Now my idea is to replay the civil-war however we do...Alternate History. However States rights was a big thing back then so instead of the Union and COnfederacy players will roleplay THEIR STATE RESPECTIVELY. We will also have seperate players roleplay the President of the Union and possibly the President of the Confederacy along with seperate Generals.

States:

South Carolina - Zactarn Prime 2
Georgia - The Scandinvas
Alabama - The Scandinvans
Texas - Dragonicale
Louisiana - Xeraph
Mississippi - Coubournne
Arkansas - Coubournne
Florida - Xeraph
North Carolina - Gataway
Tennesee - Kampfers
Kentucky - Wanderjar
Virginia - Psychotika
Indiana - The Sith Clan
Illinois - The Sith Clan
Wisconsin - Honako
Michigan - Honako
Minnesota -
Iowa -
Missouri - Canadstein
Ohio - Kansiov
Pennsylvania - Kansiov
Maryland - Psychotika
Delaware -
New Jersey - Platta
New York - Platta
Vermont - The Appalacians
New Hampshire - The Appalacians
Connecticut -
Rhode Island -
Massachusets - Canadstein
Maine -
California -
Oregon -



People:

President Buchanan - United Kingdom2

Union General Winfeld Scott -


Population Link:
http://www.civilwarhome.com/population1860.htm

Note that only South Carolina has secceded at this time so there is no official Southern President or Candidates or General or anything so When the time comes for those to be added they will.

Can I be Alabama please?

May I have maybe one or two more please?

If so Georgia and Mississippi would be quite nice. ;)

Can I have Texas.

Please, I live there :D

Can I have Texas.

Please, I live there :D

dang man, thats what i wanted. texas owns all. Where do u live? Its all about the big D!

Can I take New York, Pennsylvania, and New Jersey? The Mid Atlantic States?

Note: I personally doubt that 33 people are going to sign up, but if we get enough, I'd be happy with just NY.

Edit: Even though State's rights were high at this time, most states acted together in a group. For example, the political feelings of the New England states were very similar, as were those of the Butternut states (Illinois, Indiana, and Ohio) so it might be more reasonable to have 1 person play all of the states in a specific area.

VA FTW! Mosby is win...

ok I have decided that i'll give everyone 2 states to play and/or 2 states and a person, because I had also figured that it would be doubtful for 33 people to sign up and even the more it would be confusing. So evryone will receive 2 states of there choosing I'm updating the list now and I'm pleased at the interest for this I hope we can kick it off, now just one more question....do we do this On The II foruks or off like on Invision. Invision would make it easier to sort things out but off site forums seem to be short lived in most cases not all but most

I want Ohio and Pennsylvania!

If Florida and Louisiana are available, I'd appreciate having them assigned to Xeraph. Thanks.

Question: How are the states to be populated? We obviously can't have our main nation dictate the size of our armed forces because I'd kick ass north, south, east, and west.
Suggestion: No more than 25,000 soldiers per state. Coastal states would have the advantage of having a navy as part of their forces. Naval personnel are part of the 25,000.

I would like to RP Kentucky.

Can I be John Brown? I know he's dead before you start playing, but that suits me fine:D

Can I be John Brown? I know he's dead before you start playing, but that suits me fine:D

Dude I think you answered your own question

[QUOTE=Question: How are the states to be populated? We obviously can't have our main nation dictate the size of our armed forces because I'd kick ass north, south, east, and west.
Suggestion: No more than 25,000 soldiers per state. Coastal states would have the advantage of having a navy as part of their forces. Naval personnel are part of the 25,000.[/QUOTE]

And also States DID/CAN/&WILL raise WAY more than 25,000. They just need to raise as many as their population can sustain without economically crippling itself. Since you guys probably don't know your states populations I'm putting a link on the First Post at the botttom

I'm also updating the claims

I'll take Indiana and Illinoise if you'll let me.

Also you said this is an alternate history, so then could states break away and form a third faction? Or maybe Indiana and Illinoise could join the south?

ok you can have a third faction but you have to roleplay it properly and I'm just curious what is this third faction anyway, prupose, any support your looking for, I need details.

Also States can raise as many troops for as many Regimens (Regimen consists of near or slightly over 1000 troops) as their population can I'm posting a link of state populations on the original Claims post for everyone to use.

I do believe i will take Tennesse. Stars and Bars forever!

Seeing as Kanisov took my Pennsylvania, I want New York and New Jersey.

I'll take Indiana and Illinoise if you'll let me.

Also you said this is an alternate history, so then could states break away and form a third faction? Or maybe Indiana and Illinoise could join the south?

Instead of asking if you can do this, why don't you save the concept and roleplay it into existence?

And Illinois hasn't an "e" at the end of it.....

Would it be all right if I took Vermont and New Hampshire?

Ulysses Grant is not an important person yet in the Civil War. I think he is working some dead in job in the Mid-West somewhere. So a better Union General would be Winfield Scott, or at least until he resigned and was replaced with George B. McClellan. Can I have Massachusetts and Missouri, I know that they are far apart?

I'll take Indiana and Illinoise if you'll let me.

Also you said this is an alternate history, so then could states break away and form a third faction? Or maybe Indiana and Illinoise could join the south?

Why would these states want to join the South. They were free states and also banned slavery. Also why would they want to form a third faction? Maybe you should play out some Southern states.

oh and as to Canadstein I'm not sure if I should apply a General yet as Lincoln did extend an invitation to Robert E. Lee who decided to stay a Southerner so I dont know whetehr or not I should apply anyone yet

No, but Winfield Scott was General of the American Army from the 1840's up until the early part of the Civil War.

So I assume it would be best to appoint him as the General for the time being untill Buchannan or in January, Lincoln makes a change correct? But now we need people to signup as the President for the Union and also on a side note I am now reserving all rights to any Elected president if the South deems to elect one.

Actually Scott retired after his health was starting to fail.

Ok then well we are only in December of 1860 and you said the early Civil War so he has till whenever we start this and more than likely Lincoln will appoint a new one so what shall I do with Scott?

Can i be President of the union.

WHOOOO yes yes yes we have a winner......FInally ok United Kingdom2 You will first be James Buchannan but in January you will switch characters and be inagurated as Honest Abe....ok I'm signin ya up for it now....you want to be General in this as well?

Not really.I'll stay with President.

gotcha

When are we going to start this.

im planning to start this when we get most of the southern states assigned that way we can start a the southern seccession

Ok so when i'm President Buchanan should i send any troops or not.

Dude I think you answered your own question
But his spirit marches on!:p

Ok then well we are only in December of 1860 and you said the early Civil War so he has till whenever we start this and more than likely Lincoln will appoint a new one so what shall I do with Scott?

Stay with Scott. He will stay until November 1, 1861 because he could not travel to the front because he was way too old, but he a key factor coming up with the winning plan for the Union, Anaconda Plan. So keep him on until 1861, when he is replace General McClellan.

Another question: it was mentioned that this was going to be an "alternative history" CW thread. Just how "alternative" will/can it get? I've got a couple of pretty "alternate" ideas..........

I just gonna keep Texas since it's big.

Ok so when i'm President Buchanan should i send any troops or not.

As Buchannan he was already unpopular and didnt want to ruin anything else to marr his reputation....but then again he only has a month left in his presidency so to see him send maybe a regimen to South Carolina wouldn't be outrageous

Stay with Scott. He will stay until November 1, 1861 because he could not travel to the front because he was way too old, but he a key factor coming up with the winning plan for the Union, Anaconda Plan. So keep him on until 1861, when he is replace General McClellan.


Ok so Winfeld Scott it is

Another question: it was mentioned that this was going to be an "alternative history" CW thread. Just how "alternative" will/can it get? I've got a couple of pretty "alternate" ideas..........

As Alternative as you can roleplay in the realm of realism

Shouldn't we just start it and wait for more players to join.

Whenever we do, I can't wait :D

ok then if we start now I have decided it will be onsite. What I need is a small not very in-depth Economic Thread and a Military Thread....for every state. Right now if you can get me that then President Buchanan you've got to make a move....then the Southern States need to make their moves I am at a stand still as to what I do as South Carolina right now...I have to wait fro Buchanan or the South so you guys go head but I do need the Economic Thread and Military Thread

To ask are the Northern guys planning to outlaw slavery quickly into the rp?

They already have......now its just the North though....since South carolina secceded the balance is thrown off now the North could outlaw it as a whole then the South seccedes

They already have......now its just the North though....since South carolina secceded the balance is thrown off now the North could outlaw it as a whole then the South seccedesWhat I meant was there any real plan to outlaw slavery in the South already or is just a war to preserve the Union?

I am asking since I have nearly half my population as slave and once they outlaw it entirely then I will have secced due to the fact such a change will be to dramtic of change for my two states.

Do we really need the Economic Thread.I think we should just start it today and add the Economics and military to this thread.

All I need is a small economic thread detailing not much just chief exports and manufactured goods that way other people can target that to criplle you I mean it plays in the North are more than likely inavding the south so they need somethin to look for and The North does have the power to outlaw slavery so Mr. Buchanan you can put up a thread stating that if you choose

Kentucky has basically timber and coal. Thats about it lol.

estimate the products and everything but be reasonible I havent been able to find individual state economies in 1860 so estimate for me but be reasonable it dosent have to detailed

I'll take Virginia.

If it's already claimed, then Maryland.

do you want both? I dont think either of 'em are taken

Well, does this follow the actual Timeline of the Civil War?

Because, both states are highly important and...

Sure >.>

its an Alternate History roleplay so they're as mportant right now as they were in December of 1860

Ok
I couldn't find any Manufactured goods for the north i only found the south Manufactured goods so i'm making the North's up.

(North)
United States, Chief exports and Manufactured goods

-Weapons
-Coal
-Rum
-Wheat
-railroads
-cotton(Immigrants)

thats all i could find.

its an Alternate History roleplay so they're as mportant right now as they were in December of 1860

Yea I think I accidentally missed that fact then lol.

Ok
I couldn't find any Manufactured goods for the north i only found the south Manufactured goods so i'm making the North's up.

(North)
United States, Chief exports and Manufactured goods

-Weapons
-Coal
-Rum
-Wheat
-railroads
-cotton(Immigrants)

thats all i could find.

well for each state is what I need. The North didnt produce much cotton nor Wheat but thats not what I need each state just go head and find what they export now and use that if absolutely nessecary and United Kindom2 thanks for the help your the president you dont really need to do a economy thread nor millitary thread.......thanks though its much appreciated

Ok.So could we start the thread today and the states can work out and find economy and millitary tomorrow.

If y'all don't mind, I'll round out the South by claiming Mississippi and Arkansas.

Quick List of advantages the North had over the South at the time of the Civil War:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:USA_Advantages.png

ok Coubournne ends the South now we can start

So wheat was big in the North.But there a few more states but we don't need to have everyone role play the few states that are left.

Just one more question.Are we going to use this thread to start or create a new one.

we're going to create new ONES. Since I have secceded United Kindom2 you should start a thread outlawing slavery then the SOuth will secede. After that we will advance to January and right after Lincoln's inaguration then w/e happens happens

Aight, Lets do it!

You can create the thread and then i'll post me saying that slavery is outlawed.

we're going to do this in a series of threads not just one indivdually United Kingdom2 post a thread stating your slavery descision

Wouldn't it be better for one thread.

no waaay to confusing I've done that before........

So ten threads for the same thing.

So ten threads for the same thing.

Trust me, games like this work better that way. If we have a different thread for each campaign, etc, its easier.

But it's sometimes confusing for me.

But it's sometimes confusing for me.

Well nobody cares what you want.


:p

Well nobody cares what you want.


:p

lol nice but yeah it really is ALOT easier keeps everything neat and orderly and Wanderjar has a point....who cares what you want MAJORITY RULE :p

Can I take California and Oregon?

Can I take California and Oregon?

sure no prob I didnt think anyone would want them

sure no prob I didnt think anyone would want them

Ah, actually, if you don't mind, can I change it to Wisconsin and Michigan.

Ah, actually, if you don't mind, can I change it to Wisconsin and Michigan.

ahhh pooo yeah I guess I was just hopin someone would take Cali and OG but its kewl you can take Cheeseheads and Trojans

the thread is up for the Announcement by President buchanan but just as a side note from now on ALL THREADS RELATING TO THIS RP MUST HAVE A TITLE FOLLOWED BY (ACW CLOSED) ok? ok thanks

is NC still avaliable?

yeah.......South Carolina is I and I've just spoken out against the Buchanan descision. You may wann check out that thread http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12567009&posted=1#post12567009

I guess Ill take them then..

Manufactured products in Louisiana and Florida in the 1860's? Aside from lumber (cypess and swamp ash), and a few arms manufacturers, the only "business" down there was the ship-building industry. So lets put an economic value of 2.17 million/year for both states which will rise as the war proceeds.

Arms: $361,880/year

Lumber for export: $672,500/year

Seem reasonable?

ahhh pooo yeah I guess I was just hopin someone would take Cali and OG but its kewl you can take Cheeseheads and Trojans

Why exactly...if you really want I could change it back if it's important to the civil war or anything...

I have two states, but do I have to have two governors? It would easier for me if I had one to unite them, but I suppose that wouldn't really go with what was real at the time.

Manufactured products in Louisiana and Florida in the 1860's? Aside from lumber (cypess and swamp ash), and a few arms manufacturers, the only "business" down there was the ship-building industry. So lets put an economic value of 2.17 million/year for both states which will rise as the war proceeds.

Arms: $361,880/year

Lumber for export: $672,500/year

Seem reasonable?

yes actually thats very reasonible....I've decided that Economic threads arent of the upmost importance but Military threads or at least plausible explanations for military levels MUST be provided in one form or another and also remember that troops were ONLY in Regimens at this time. Regimens consist of near 1,000 troops

Can we move on to january.I hate being president Buchanan i can't wait until i become President Lincoln

Can we move on to january.I hate being president Buchanan i can't wait until i become President Lincoln

I think we should wait a bit - for one, I have to meet with your guy (god knows what you want to say but erm, yeah) and it wouldn't really make sense if he was on the outside of Washington for a month.

Thats true.I'll just wait then.

First of all, at this time, Presidents take office on March 4th, not January 21st.

Second, I calculated the rough populations of all of the states at this time (and therefore a good representation of troop strengths) using their representation in the House in 1860 and the population of the US:

State:Pop in Millions

Slave States:
South Carolina: .8
North Carolina: 1.3
Georgia: 1.3
Florida: .15
Alabama: .9
Mississippi: .7
Louisiana: .6
Texas: .3
Arkansas: .3
Tennessee: 1.3
Virginia: 1.6
Kentucky: 1.4
Missouri: 1
Maryland: .8
Delaware: .15

Free States:
Iowa: .25
Minnesota: .3
Wisconsin: .4
Michigan: .6
Illinois: 1.2
Indiana: 1.5
Ohio: 2.8
Pennsylvania: 3.3
New Jersey: .7
New York: 4.5
Connecticut: .55
Rhode Island: .25
Massachusetts: 1.5
Vermont: .4
New Hampshire: .4
Maine: .75
California: .8
Oregon: .4

No offense, but would you not need the support of Congress and a good number of the states before such a bill would be even able to pass?

yes actually thats very reasonible....I've decided that Economic threads arent of the upmost importance but Military threads or at least plausible explanations for military levels MUST be provided in one form or another and also remember that troops were ONLY in Regimens at this time. Regimens consist of near 1,000 troops


OK, the following stats apply:

Florida: 16 Regiments @ 1,000/regiment.
7 Artillery brigades @ 500/brigade
12 navy ships, 235 sailors/officers/ship. 8 are battleships
w/cannon. 2 are supply ships, lightly defended. 2 are
light sloops, sort of a "hit and run" element. Total sailors:
approx 4300.

Louisiana: 11 Regiments.
4 Artillery Brigades.
16,000 Militia Men, irregular army. Mostly farmers who answer the
call when needed. These are the troops that man the 14 various
forts along the Mississippi River and the border passes.
23 Naval ships-of-the-line, all warships.

No offense, but would you not need the support of Congress and a good number of the states before such a bill would be even able to pass?

Well ya see there was an even balance of states that kept slavery from being repelled. See the north could pass it through the House but since the state were even it would fail in the Senate. Now that South Carolina left NOTHING prevents this from happening so we kinda skipped ahead

Can I play in this RP without having to play as a Yankee? I would ask if I could play as the Cherokee, who joined the Confederates, but I don't know much about them.

Can I play in this RP without having to play as a Yankee? I would ask if I could play as the Cherokee, who joined the Confederates, but I don't know much about them.

ummm I'm not sure at this point no....the RP is strictly States with a few people tossed in here and there like Presidents and Generals

ummm I'm not sure at this point no....the RP is strictly States with a few people tossed in here and there like Presidents and Generals

Oh well.

Well ya see there was an even balance of states that kept slavery from being repelled. See the north could pass it through the House but since the state were even it would fail in the Senate. Now that South Carolina left NOTHING prevents this from happening so we kinda skipped ahead

Free States held a 18-15 state majority at this time, however, a 3/4ths vote in both houses is necessary to amend the constitution (otherwise such an action by the government against private property is unconstitutional)

However, legality is for lawyers. There has already been more historical inaccuracies in this than a die-hard history buff could take (Breckenridge would not support a ban of slavery, he was the South's candidate in 1860 and eventually became a general in the confederate army) so lets get to the fighting already!

Ok sorry guys, i was real interested in this. But i've fallen behind, and i may not be around to be very active. So i'm pulling out. Sorry.

Is California available?

Haven't seen Florida active at all....so would it be ok if I claimed it?To note the guy who plays them has already submitted an post as good Louisania so he may be planning something with the sunshine state.

Haven't seen Florida active at all....so would it be ok if I claimed it?

Haven't seen Florida active at all....so would it be ok if I claimed it?

The guy who picked it has made a couple of posts in the thread I think...

Yeah, as Florida AND Louisana! He can still keep N'orleans if he wants....

bump for somekind of response

Yeah, as Florida AND Louisana! He can still keep N'orleans if he wants....

Each person is allowed two states, look on the front page - all the states with no name next to them are the ones open. Pick two of them, and no doubt you'll be accepted.

Fine then, I shall claim California and Oregon.

A nice little map which shows all those whom have left the Union in grey.

http://img337.imageshack.us/my.php?image=freeandslavestatespr0.gif

A nice little map which shows all those whom have left the Union in grey.

http://img337.imageshack.us/my.php?image=freeandslavestatespr0.gif

ummm *cough* *cough* SOUTH CAROLINA *cough* cough* FIRST STATE TO SECEDE *cough* *cough* EDIT *cough* *cough*

ummm *cough* *cough* SOUTH CAROLINA *cough* cough* FIRST STATE TO SECEDE *cough* *cough* EDIT *cough* *cough*Alright, you were the first state to secede so you get a cookie, but no special place on map for you since the rest of use are grey.

Can I have Connecticut, instead of Missouri?

With the President wanting to resign should we,

1.Call early elections or 2.just say Lincoln won the early elections and he's now president.

I would rather go with the second one because if we go with the first one it will waste time and i bet everyone wants to start the civil war so please post which one you want.

Which one will everyone chosse.I need to know now or tomorrow.

A nice little map which shows all those whom have left the Union in grey.

http://img337.imageshack.us/my.php?image=freeandslavestatespr0.gif

I think you also forgot Kentucky

Well, the South cannot vote for the most part as most of our electoral vote has already left the Union.:p

Here is a map of what I think is going on:

http://img216.imageshack.us/my.php?image=freeandslavestateswy2.gif

Which one should i chose.One or two.

Ok sorry guys, i was real interested in this. But i've fallen behind, and i may not be around to be very active. So i'm pulling out. Sorry.It seems Zactarn Prime 2 that IL and IN are now up for grabs.

Is California available?

Bump, Oh and I believe my query was submitted before Zambistan's claim of Oregon and California. Although I have no qualms if he still claims Oregon.

So that means that Zambistan has on claim on California. That means any post he made with California is not suppose to actually happen. So those posts are null and void. Plus that was very unrealistic and not even possible. Are you telling me that the Union troops and many die hard Unionist did not put up a fight, against a meager force of 5,000? Come on, if this nutcase did try to do that, he would be shot within minutes.

(actually the west almost seceded, as they're were many southerners in California. The Govenor was a democrat, and the legislature was democratic as well.

"With the Democrats split, Lincoln was able to carry California in the November 1860 election, although he won only 3 of every 8 votes. Early in 1861, in response to Lincoln's victory, pro-Southern Democrats issued a call for the secession of California and the creation of an independent Pacific Republic that would include Oregon and Washington, and possibly Now Mexico and Utah."

I just took a spin on an ALTERNATE HISTORY THREAD. If after being inactive and suddenly coming back he gets the claim, fine. But Canadstein, please refrain from telling me what I can and can't do.)

You posted a clean slate victory of California with some random guy. I know its ALTERNATE HISTORY, but its unrealistic to have a clean victory with no fighting. You said that you had the government with its pants down, even after the recent succession of South Carolina. That is some serious crap. I mean no resistance and then this guy declares his own country. WTF? There would be a internal civil war in California. They would not allow this guy to do this.

Actually, my post asking for California was post #96, about the time you were claiming Florida and whatever. So it is not really that long ago to be considered inactive.

Although, It is a custom of mine to be confirmed in before being starting an RP, so as to avoid certain issues which may arise.

If I may intervene with a suggestion: Abbassia made the 1st inquiry about CA, but Zambistan claimed it, was given it, and posted on it. A technical error on someone's part, but now we have dual claimants.

To undo all Zam has written would be regrettable. But any law court in existence would state "possession is 9/10ths of the law." I'm not trying to start an argument ("Gentlemen...this is the war room...you can't fight here!"), but there are plenty of unclaimed territories left (Utah/New Mexico Territories). And after all, this is just a game.

And as far as how far an alternate history can go, look at my example. In just 8 hours, I went from 2 states to a unified province. In reality, there probably WOULD have been a scenario of internal unrest, etc. But, again, this is a game, and I did what I did to move it along. Zambistan apparently did the same, as unorthodox as it would be in RL.

If anyone read "Guns of the South", you'll see how far an alternate history can go an still remain believable.

Active members having an additional state was briefly mentioned in the RP thread, and I'd be happy to take the given up Indiana and Illinois, if I have to chose I'll take Illinois, if I can have both though that would be better, though quite greedy :p

Nevermind then, I really was intrested solely in California as the other choices don't seem to be very appealing.

Is it possible to be a Major or Captain of a calvary or raiding regiment for either the Confederates or Feds?

BUMP so everyone can see which player has claimed which state (s).

Might I propose a TG be sent to claimants who have not posted since claiming. If no response by Wednesday, then other (new) players can claim inactive states. I'd also like to see existing players be able to claim one additional state, bringing the allowed total to 3. If OK'd I'll take Mississippi.

Since most of the good states are gone, I will profess to be a General or Colonel or whatever might be needed of me. I think a Major or Colonel might be appropriate.

I think a major will work.

New Mexico, but I would really like for CA (the big hitter on the west coast) to have a undisputed history and owner.

Democratically elected government, some comboys still chilling in the odd corner, has the odd Mexican, thinks slavery is a joke, thinks Washington is a joke, and is generally more concerned with real stuff, like building a state on this last patch of wild frontier.

Of course, New Mexico didn't exist back in the day, but this is alternate history...

New Mexico, but I would really like for CA (the big hitter on the west coast) to have a undisputed history and owner.

Democratically elected government, some comboys still chilling in the odd corner, has the odd Mexican, thinks slavery is a joke, thinks Washington is a joke, and is generally more concerned with real stuff, like building a state on this last patch of wild frontier.

Of course, New Mexico didn't exist back in the day, but this is alternate history...

You could just say you are in charge of the New Mexico Territories. I have Utah and I believe I will get a lot of mileage out of it.

New Mexico, but I would really like for CA (the big hitter on the west coast) to have a undisputed history and owner.

Democratically elected government, some comboys still chilling in the odd corner, has the odd Mexican, thinks slavery is a joke, thinks Washington is a joke, and is generally more concerned with real stuff, like building a state on this last patch of wild frontier.

Of course, New Mexico didn't exist back in the day, but this is alternate history...


ooc: NM Territory is available. In 1854 it comprised the present states of NM, AZ, and a small part of CO (northeast corner).

You could just say you are in charge of the New Mexico Territories. I have Utah and I believe I will get a lot of mileage out of it.


ooc: the UT Territory back then included Utah, Nevada, the western 1/3 of Colorado, and the southwest corner of Wyoming. Big area, but a lot of it is desert.

for anyone that's interested, a really good map of the USA back then is at:

http://teachpol.tcnj.edu/amer_pol_hist/fi/000000be.htm

Alright a Major of the INfantry should be fine. I'll take the 1st Battlion of the 5th Georgia Regiment. THis is company A, B, and C (Clinch Rifles, Griffith Light Guards, and Irish Volunteers) I'll be Major William Lewis Spalding. THat work?

Alright a Major of the INfantry should be fine. I'll take the 1st Battlion of the 5th Georgia Regiment. THis is company A, B, and C (Clinch Rifles, Griffith Light Guards, and Irish Volunteers) I'll be Major William Lewis Spalding. THat work?


so your'e a major in the army of the state of Georgia? That state is claimed by Scandinvan. I'm sure he wouldn't mind, but you should double-check with him.

This looks like it could be an interesting thread. I followed Xerphs link to the map and I'd like to claim the Nebraska Territory.

Uhhh ok... already started I guess a little early then. UHH yeah.

ooc: the UT Territory back then included Utah, Nevada, the western 1/3 of Colorado, and the southwest corner of Wyoming. Big area, but a lot of it is desert.

for anyone that's interested, a really good map of the USA back then is at:

http://teachpol.tcnj.edu/amer_pol_hist/fi/000000be.htm

Good link, when does this thing officially take flight?

Good link, when does this thing officially take flight?


ooc: it's already flying.......see IC thread

ooc: it's already flying.......see IC thread

Sorry, can't find it, where is it?

Sorry, can't find it, where is it?


ooc: it's called 'American Civil War RP' but it's author (United Kingdom 2) is different from the sign-up (Zactarn Prime 2)

It doesn't look like Minnesota or Iowa are taken. I'd like to claim them.

TO: Greystone and Foxton...I don't know where Zactarn Prime is, but I guess it would be OK for you to claim the land you requested. Join in the fun!