NationStates Jolt Archive


This Is Genocide!

North Calaveras
17-04-2007, 05:36
Please hear my plea im been invaded by The peoples freedom because of my political beliefs and need help to restore my country, he is going to kill all communist supporters in the capital if you dont do anything, i have a resistance but it is no match for there army PLEASE I BEG OF YOU HELP ME!

IM in the occupation of NC
The PeoplesFreedom
17-04-2007, 05:36
State Department Communication
It should be known that TPF invaded this country to free it's citizens from a evil totalitarian regime. We are in the process of creating a democracy and new police force. As for the this genocide claim, it is insane talk. We offer international observers into the nation and offer them full access to our troops to prove we are committing no such act.
North Calaveras
17-04-2007, 05:42
THey invaded my country just because of my political beliefes, how would you react, i tried resisting them and i was occupyed. Help
The PeoplesFreedom
17-04-2007, 05:46
THey invaded my country just because of my political beliefes, how would you react, i tried resisting them and i was occupyed. Help

State Department Communication
TPF offered you a surrender at the begging before blood was shed and lives were lost. You did not accept it. Now you are undergoing a switch to a democracy. Once again, international observers are welcomed.
Marxikhan
17-04-2007, 05:50
I too grow tierd of nations "liberating" others, dispite the fact that there governments were formed democraticly. I guess those conservitves cant understand that they are not the only "true" or "god favored" party
The PeoplesFreedom
17-04-2007, 05:50
State Department Communication
The Peoples Freedom along with Wanderjar will not tolerate military action against us in this region. This would be met with our own force.
North Calaveras
17-04-2007, 05:51
Thank you comrade please help me!
Wagdog
17-04-2007, 05:53
State Department Communication
It should be known that TPF invaded this country to free it's citizens from a evil totalitarian regime. We are in the process of creating a democracy and new police force. As for the this genocide claim, it is insane talk. We offer international observers into the nation and offer them full access to our troops to prove we are committing no such act.
OOC: TPF, this had better not turn into a trap thread. Unlike NC, I know how to fight and I have my allies, MANY of them; so do not try dragooning me hear?:rolleyes: And if worst comes to worst, I DO have the right to IGNORE even though NC forefeited his by allowing himself to be trapped.
IC
59587
Official USSW Reply to the First Reich of The PeoplesFreedom
Frankly, given the extreme prejudice with which you pusued said "evil totalitarian regime" into the embassy of another and uninvolved sovereign nation entirely, you have given us scarce evidence of your good faith about these assurances. Frankly, the whole manner in which you went about this war is disgusting, invading a young leftist nation simply for mouthing off in favor of a group of terrorists whom even we had the sense to condemn. And frankly, although we will agree to send observers to North Calaveras to investigate your claims, we have conditions of our own.

The demand that the Communist Party be disbanded is to be rendered null and void, although it may be prohibited an armed wing. We shall not stand for the disenfranchisement of a substantial sector of the Calaveran body politic, whatever other parties may choose to participate therein.
Our observers are to be from our First Battalion, Seventh Ranger Corps; and they are to be given full and unconditional access to all The PeoplesFreedom military facilities and all North Calaveran resistance bases, except where this would impede operational readiness by mutual agreement of the United Socialist States of Wagdog, The Democratic Republic of North Calaveras, and the First Reich of The PeoplesFreedom.
Finally, the trial of the former regime members is to be fair and open; with observers from both capitalist and socialist nations present such that each point of view is respected and given fair hearing. Any attempt at chicanery or fraud in either this or the coming elections, shall be regarded as an act of extreme bad faith on the part of The PeoplesFreedom and shall be met with a complete boycott of their occupation regime; and possibly other sanctions of our sovereign discretion.

We may not have a desire for war with the Reich, but your standing in our eyes ranks VERY low right now. For your international reputation's sake, we hope you earn it back.

Sincerely,
Carolinus Horridus
Party Secretary, Wagdoggie Revolutionary Party
General Secretary, United Socialist States of Wagdog
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The PeoplesFreedom
17-04-2007, 05:53
OCC: I would prefer not to have war with you xD Oh, and there is no trail.

State Department Communication
Wagdog, your offer have been accepted.
The PeoplesFreedom
17-04-2007, 05:56
That right! Hide behind your shallow threats....apparently your Thou Shall Not Kill, never really sank in for you did it? Or maybe treating you opposition as a friend never felt right? Im not sure if your aware of this but the first Christain Communitys were Communist. You preach that we are vile, though we give the people freedom and equality. You make me sick

State Department Communication
Do not preach morals or values to us.
Marxikhan
17-04-2007, 05:56
State Department Communication
The Peoples Freedom along with Wanderjar will not tolerate military action against us in this region. This would be met with our own force.

That right! Hide behind your shallow threats....apparently your Thou Shall Not Kill, never really sank in for you did it? Or maybe treating you opposition as a friend never felt right? Im not sure if your aware of this but the first Christain Communitys were Communist. You preach that we are vile, though we give the people freedom and equality. You make me sick
Marxikhan
17-04-2007, 05:58
OCC: I would prefer not to have war with you xD Oh, and there is no trail.

State Department Communication
Wagdog, your offer have been accepted.

Haha! OCC If your talking to Wagdog...well i dont blame you...And im just here to mess with ya....
The PeoplesFreedom
17-04-2007, 06:01
EDIT: Wagdog, The Communist party shall only be able to run in a Socialist, democratic form, with a Duma that also consists of other parties.
North Calaveras
17-04-2007, 06:03
Thank you wagdog, just look around the city and i wil have one of my revolutionary youth escort you to one of my resistance base
The PeoplesFreedom
17-04-2007, 06:06
IC:

South Lizasauria offers the PeoplesFreedom military support.

State Department Communication
We thank SL very much for its support. We will call on you if we are attacked. If you wish, you may send peace keepers.
South Lizasauria
17-04-2007, 06:07
State Department Communication
It should be known that TPF invaded this country to free it's citizens from a evil totalitarian regime. We are in the process of creating a democracy and new police force. As for the this genocide claim, it is insane talk. We offer international observers into the nation and offer them full access to our troops to prove we are committing no such act.

IC:

South Lizasauria offers the PeoplesFreedom military support.
Kahanistan
17-04-2007, 06:08
Official Announcement from the Free Havenic Republic of Kahanistan
Ministry of Foreign Affairs

http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/kahanistan.jpg

The Government of Kahanistan requests to temporarily assign 25,000 soldiers (one division of Republic Guards) to North Calaveras to verify the falsity of these genocide claims, and to serve as peacekeepers.

While we currently know too little of this conflict to know who is truly in the right in this situation, we will remain neutral in any conflicts between the locals and occupiers.

Signed,
Rachel C. Levitt,
Minister of Foreign Affairs


(OOC: Link to pre- "Crusade against Communism" threads?)
North Calaveras
17-04-2007, 06:08
I will be on tomarrow.
Wagdog
17-04-2007, 06:11
OCC: I would prefer not to have war with you xD Oh, and there is no trail.

State Department Communication
Wagdog, your offer have been accepted.
OOC: Good.;) Although mind you, your house-arrest commands implied that there was to be a trial. Believe me, my IC protests are only going to get worse once my observers find out later IC what I already know OOC, so it might help to adapt your plans accordingly...
IC
USSW Response
Thank you. The Rangers shall arrive by Il-76MF Candid transports at your designated base, numbering some 300 with their standard light arms and armored jeeps. Nothing inappropriate for peacekeeping duty in an insurgency zone, of course; but everything up to that. Our thanks, and we shall exercise the much more open mind about your administration in North Calaveras that this acceptance of our terms has already engendered. Hopefully, it may yet see those members of the older regime able to avoid criminal convictions and secure votes contribute once again to a sovereign, stable and responsible government for their homeland.

-USSW State Department-
Silver Wolf Republic
17-04-2007, 06:12
To the leaders of North Calaveras. Although us here in the Silver Wolf Republic
can not send military help, we can send you one of our few remaining tankers full of interesting chemical compounds. We will do this because we are re-building after a devestating regional war. But we are more then willing to help leaders of any nation.

ooc: Used to be Colorado and Texas went to basic and AIT, lost my many nations while gone. So we still have tech just no people.
Tocrowkia
17-04-2007, 06:15
State Department Communication
It should be known that TPF invaded this country to free it's citizens from a evil totalitarian regime. We are in the process of creating a democracy and new police force. As for the this genocide claim, it is insane talk. We offer international observers into the nation and offer them full access to our troops to prove we are committing no such act.

The Reich regards TPF with suspicion. We have little doubt that your military policy in this conflict is indeed a failed one. Your military leadership has proved it's incompetence to us personally during the (thankfully) brief time we were allied in our quest to rid the world of Griffincrest's insidious influence. Exemplified by your refusal to work hand in hand with our forces, we were forced to suspend our involvement in that conflict. Which, we here by the way, you lost without us.

-Reich Foreign Ministry-
Wagdog
17-04-2007, 06:25
EDIT: Wagdog, The Communist party shall only be able to run in a Socialist, democratic form, with a Duma that also consists of other parties.

Thank you wagdog, just look around the city and i wil have one of my revolutionary youth escort you to one of my resistance base
OOC: OK, Jolt being JOLT made me miss these.:headbang: This may be considered to have IC bearing since I'm near logging off, but your bit is what I was getting at TPF so no problem there. Also, NC, although this is also acceptable you really need to work on your In-Character/Out-of-Character discipline.;) Not that I'm perfect or anything, but seriously it will save you a good deal of trouble in future (like possibly repeats of the invasion you just got sacked with, although since you RPed it out you do have to live with it now...).
The PeoplesFreedom
17-04-2007, 06:27
OCC: Tork, I gave you the option of invading me. The only thing I did was refuse your use of nukes, which is stupid. Get over it. . Once again Wagdog, the president is in house arrest, but there will be no trail. He is under house arrest so he won't incite a insurgency. Thats fair, I think.
The PeoplesFreedom
17-04-2007, 06:30
OCC: He would have got sacked even if he did no sucidial charges xD
The PeoplesFreedom
17-04-2007, 06:34
Official Announcement from the Free Havenic Republic of Kahanistan
Ministry of Foreign Affairs

http://www.nationstates.net/images/flags/uploads/kahanistan.jpg

The Government of Kahanistan requests to temporarily assign 25,000 soldiers (one division of Republic Guards) to North Calaveras to verify the falsity of these genocide claims, and to serve as peacekeepers.

While we currently know too little of this conflict to know who is truly in the right in this situation, we will remain neutral in any conflicts between the locals and occupiers.

Signed,
Rachel C. Levitt,
Minister of Foreign Affairs


(OOC: Link to pre- "Crusade against Communism" threads?)


State Department Communication
The Peoples Freedom welcomes you into the nation as peacekeepers and observers
Wagdog
17-04-2007, 06:38
OCC: Tork, I gave you the option of invading me. The only thing I did was refuse your use of nukes, which is stupid. Get over it. And Considering you cant keep an alliance together.. I doubt your competence. Once again Wagdog, the president is in house arrest, but there will be no trail. He is under house arrest so he won't incite a insurgency. Thats fair, I think.
OOC: OK, but ICly once we find out we still have to raise some eyebrows at least, 's all I'm saying. True, it's fairer than some of what your officers said when mouthing off, but again I have no IC way of knowing what they're saying and the situation is better for it. I'm just extremely wary IC of any power that goes so far to take out a communist state as to invade another nation entirely's embassy. My policy is to allow governments-in-exile so long as I can cut off their funding and let them spew propaganda all they want to no effect. Better comedy after all, as I'm sure you'd agree, yes?:D:confused:
The PeoplesFreedom
17-04-2007, 06:40
OOC: OK, but ICly once we find out we still have to raise some eyebrows at least, 's all I'm saying. True, it's fairer than some of what your officers said when mouthing off, but again I have no IC way of knowing what they're saying and the situation is better for it. I'm just extremely wary IC of any power that goes so far to take out a communist state as to invade another nation entirely's embassy. My policy is to allow governments-in-exile so long as I can cut off their funding and let them spew propaganda all they want to no effect. Better comedy after all, as I'm sure you'd agree, yes?:D:confused:

OCC: Well, no Madnolarins were harmed in the embassy break-in. TPF will even pay reparations for the damage. Icly, my officials were mouthing off, you'll notice I haven't actually done anything of the sort. :D
Wagdog
17-04-2007, 06:50
OCC: Well, no Madnolarins were harmed in the embassy break-in. TPF will even pay reparations for the damage. Icly, my officials were mouthing off, you'll notice I haven't actually done anything of the sort. :D
OOC: Well, from what I've read of the occupation so far, we'll notice the standard brutal insurgency/counterinsurgency race to the bottom once we get there. Not a casus belli by itself since really it's all-too-common, but a diplomatic mark against that both you and the resistance will need to work to erase. You should be glad the Mandalorians either didn't notice the embassy assault or have decided to overlook it because none were hurt (so you say). I'm not making this a trap thread since you're not, but nonetheless this isn't going to look pretty when my people get on the ground and the election's going to have to prove a lot for us to leave in any IC mood other than disgusted when it's all over. 'Night, I need to log off since the threads I was waiting for probably aren't going to be active until the morning and I need the sleep...
Free Outer Eugenia
17-04-2007, 07:18
State Department Communication
It should be known that TPF invaded this country to free it's citizens from a evil totalitarian regime. We are in the process of creating a democracy and new police force. As for the this genocide claim, it is insane talk. We offer international observers into the nation and offer them full access to our troops to prove we are committing no such act.

It should be noted that according to UN reports the Orwellian "People's Freedom" is as much of a totalitarian dictatorship as NC ever was. It would be foolish to take PF's claims seriously- Democracy begins at home. Both the invading fascists and the old Stalinist regime should rightly be opposed in favor of true self-determination for the people of NC.

"The studies of art and philosophy are banned, the government extracts trade concessions from poor nations in exchange for humanitarian aid, torture is commonly used to extract information from suspected criminals, and Eagles with strange deformities like three eyes and tentacles have been seen prancing through the countryside where industrial waste is dumped."

Is this really a government that could claim to 'bring freedom' to anyone?

Juan al-Takhriti,
Political Studies Collective
Ferrer University
Federated Anarchist Communes of Free Outer Eugenia (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Free_Outer_Eugenia)
Thakuria
17-04-2007, 07:19
I will be on tomarrow.

Comrade, The People of Thakuria have heard your cry. We shall commit 7,000 Exporters of Revolution to your cause along with 350 T-90 Tanks. The tanks will be at your disposal and please allow us to train your units to convert them to fighting in regular armies into partisan warfare. These E.R. units you will find are experts in Maoist style Mobile Warfare, the enemy will surely be in confusion as he sees a battlefield with multiple fronts appear and vanish without a trace. We will win this war.

-Matteo ‘Chico’ Ferrofusil
General-Secretary of the Thakurian Revolutionary Party

P.S. It is also my wish to send Gen. Augustino “Fuser” Matarico his experience in our own liberation war has made him an expert in “Vietnam Guerrilla Tactics”.
Thakuria
17-04-2007, 07:20
PEOPLE’s REPUBLIC OF THAKURIA FACTBOOK

Economy

The Thakurian Economy operates under Council Communism with decentralized Socialist Self-management at the heart of its principles.

Total GDP: $176.4 billion USD
GDP per capita: $6,900 USD

Tax Rate: 76%

Budget = 76,000,000,000 USD
Military – 17% = 12.9 billion
Civic Duties – 70% = 53.2 billion
Administration – 7% = 5.32 billion
Reserve/Growth – 6% = 4.56 billion

Oil Production: 5,888,800 bbl/day
Oil Consumption: 1,081,000 bbl/day
Oil Reserves: 97 billion bbl

Population
29,000,000

Capital: Thakuria


Government

The People’s Republic of Thakuria is under The Thakurian Revolutionary Party, a Revolutionary Libertarian Communist party that is led by the founder Matteo Ferrofusil. Ferrofusil founded the party during the Thakurian Revolution in 1999. Ferrofusil was able to gain support after successive military victories proved that the Thakurian Royal Army was insufficient. Once riots in Thakuria happened the Cristo Royal Family fled the nation under cover of darkness, allowing Ferrofusil to seize power on New Years Day. Ferrofusil immediately taking power decentralized the economy from mercantilist policies and instead promoted Worker Self-Management. Corruption and crime in the nation are virtually unknown since work is guaranteed and social programs have combated all forms of poverty in the nation.



Military


The Thakurian Military is split up into four parts. 1,740,000

Army = 1,680,000 Total
Navy = 15,000 Total
Air Force = 35,000 Total
Exporters of Revolution = 10,000

Army – 186,000 Active – 1,494,000 Reserve

Main Infantry – 904,615
Inventory: FX-05 Assault Rifle, 4 Fragmentation Grenades, 1 Flashbang, Desert Eagle Pistol, Combat Knife, small medical kit, (optional) Grenade Launcher

Marines – 519,925
Inventory: M16 rifle, 4 Fragmentation Grenades, 1 Flashbang, Desert Eagle Pistol, Combat Knife, small medical kit, (optional) Grenade Launcher

Special Forces – 129,230
Inventory: IMI Tavor TAR-21 Assault Rifle, 2 Fragmentation Grenades, 2 Sonic Grenades, 2 Flashbang, Night Vision Goggles, Silenced Desert Eagle Pistol, Combat Knife, small medical kit

Heavy/Other Infantry – 129,230
Inventory: PKT Machine Gun/RPG-29 anti-tank grenade launcher/AT-13 anti-tank missile system, AK-47, 5 Fragmentation Grenades, 1 Flashbang, Desert Eagle Pistol, Combat Knife, small medical kit, (optional) Grenade Launcher

Additional Weapons
RPK Machine Gun
RPG-7
RPG-18
SA-16 Igla
SA-7 Strela Rocket
Type 69 RPG
M89SR Sniper Rifle
Heckler & Koch G3 Battle Rifle

Armor
T-90
T-72
Merkava Mk 2
Merkava Mk 3
Merkava Mk 4
Magach 6
Magach 7
M-60
Sabra
Sabra Mk II
Sho’t

Armored Personnel Carriers (APC and similar vehicles)
Kasman
Zelda
Zelda 2
BTR-50
BTR-60
BTR-80
BMP-2
BTR-152
WZ551
Namera

Artillery
2S1
2S3 Akatsiya
Doher
LAR-160
GRADLAR
Slammer
Rascal
M109

Light Combat Vehicles
HMMWV
Ram-2000
Wolf
Golan

Navy – 5,000 Active – 10,000 Reserve

Carriers
Supercarriers

Battleships
None
Cruisers
None

Destroyers
Sovremenny class

Submarines
Dolphin class
Gal class

Missile Boats
Saar class

Patrol Craft
Dabur
Dvora
Shaldag MK II
Super Dvora Mk II
Super Dvora Mk III
Zivanit

Air Force

Heavy Bombers
Tu-16
Tu-95


Fighters
MiG-21
MiG-23
MiG-25
Su-15
Tu-128
Yak-28
MiG-29
MiG-31
MiG-29
Su-27
MiG-27
Su-24
Su-25

Helicopters
Mil Mi-8
Mil Mi-24

Anti-Air Systems
ZSU-23-4
SA-10
2K22M Tunguska-M1
Nimrod
LAHAT
The PeoplesFreedom
17-04-2007, 23:36
OCC: Wagdog, I have a trump card against mandalore anyway, considering I am helping BH.
The PeoplesFreedom
17-04-2007, 23:38
Comrade, The People of Thakuria have heard your cry. We shall commit 7,000 Exporters of Revolution to your cause along with 350 T-90 Tanks. The tanks will be at your disposal and please allow us to train your units to convert them to fighting in regular armies into partisan warfare. These E.R. units you will find are experts in Maoist style Mobile Warfare, the enemy will surely be in confusion as he sees a battlefield with multiple fronts appear and vanish without a trace. We will win this war.

-Matteo ‘Chico’ Ferrofusil
General-Secretary of the Thakurian Revolutionary Party

P.S. It is also my wish to send Gen. Augustino “Fuser” Matarico his experience in our own liberation war has made him an expert in “Vietnam Guerrilla Tactics”.

State Department
Once again, The Peoples Freedom wishes to inform Thakuria that any military action against our forces in NC will be met by our own action.

OCC: How are they getting there?
Errikland
18-04-2007, 00:03
The Errikan Empire notes your nation's false claims to genocide - something which would be entirely justified in this case, being your own failings at defending your nation from conquest - against your legitimate conquerors, who are not only so benevolent as to not immediately crucify all of your former leaders but even bring up efforts to restore you and ready you to rule yourselves once more, in an effort to bring up concerned foreigners to intervene and bring about that which you have clearly shown yourself not to deserve.

OOC: Nothing personal, just IC stuff

EDIT: As for the outlawing of the communist party, someone may wish to point out the outlawing of the Nazi party after WWII as historical prescendent, though I am certain that there are plenty of others.
North Calaveras
18-04-2007, 02:44
If im returned to power i wil have a democratic socialist goverment. But the leader will stay there, we will however be different partys being able to run the provinces like goveners that a fare trade.
The PeoplesFreedom
18-04-2007, 02:51
If im returned to power i wil have a democratic socialist goverment. But the leader will stay there, we will however be different partys being able to run the provinces like goveners that a fare trade.

OCC: You will be returned to power once the conditions are met and I agree to leave.
North Calaveras
18-04-2007, 03:09
OCC: What conditions? my country geting raped and leaving troops behind to watch if im a bad boy, all this because i backed a bunch of freedoms fighters with words! YOu would have done the same if it were capitalsit freedom fighters.
The PeoplesFreedom
18-04-2007, 03:17
OCC: What conditions? my country geting raped and leaving troops behind to watch if im a bad boy, all this because i backed a bunch of freedoms fighters with words! YOu would have done the same if it were capitalsit freedom fighters.

OCC: The things you agreed to when you surrendered. And I'm hardly raping your women, or men, for that matter.
North Calaveras
18-04-2007, 03:50
Im sorry but those conditions are ridiculas, YOU INVADED ME IM THE VICTIM HERE I NEVER WANTED TO FIGHT ANYONE! YOu just come to my country waving you flag saying were here to liberate you the population dosnt like you! Your like a disease
The PeoplesFreedom
18-04-2007, 03:58
Im sorry but those conditions are ridiculas, YOU INVADED ME IM THE VICTIM HERE I NEVER WANTED TO FIGHT ANYONE! YOu just come to my country waving you flag saying were here to liberate you the population dosnt like you! Your like a disease

OCC: You agreed to them.
North Calaveras
18-04-2007, 04:39
To a certain extent.
The PeoplesFreedom
18-04-2007, 04:43
OCC: Nope, it was Unconditional.
Wagdog
18-04-2007, 04:51
OCC: Wagdog, I have a trump card against mandalore anyway, considering I am helping BH.

OCC: You will be returned to power once the conditions are met and I agree to leave.

OCC: What conditions? my country geting raped and leaving troops behind to watch if im a bad boy, all this because i backed a bunch of freedoms fighters with words! YOu would have done the same if it were capitalsit freedom fighters.

OCC: The things you agreed to when you surrendered. And I'm hardly raping your women, or men, for that matter.

Im sorry but those conditions are ridiculas, YOU INVADED ME IM THE VICTIM HERE I NEVER WANTED TO FIGHT ANYONE! YOu just come to my country waving you flag saying were here to liberate you the population dosnt like you! Your like a disease

OCC: You agreed to them.

To a certain extent.

OCC: Nope, it was Unconditional.
OOC: Both of you calm down please, for your fellow players' sakes.:rolleyes: You dictated terms, TPF; and that implies conditions, however minimal those may be. You could've simply put a round in their PM's head, but instead he's under house arrest as is the fairer way of doing things both IC and OOC. And furthermore, earlier in this thread you accepted my conditions that the Communist Party be permitted to run in the election; which you had best honor if you expect me to remain remotely neutral here.
Also, the fact that you are helping Blackhelm in this should give you as much pause as assurance; if not more. Why? Because all of my allies are either GUSN or UFAN; all anti-slavers to the core, most human-rights believers as well, and all of them with a very dim view towards so-called "Corporate Police States" like BH and its ruling Griffincrest Corporation. If I suspect this is a cover for BH's IC activities, I can easily convince many other players to boycott you ICly before I even think of going to war. And believe me, I would have zero hesitation in that matter; since this whole RP strikes me as de-facto harrassment of a leftist player, probably with intent to grief them out of the game. As I've said before, I'm utterly tired of such blatantly hostile RP and I won't stand for it as a player; the only reason I'm here being "damage control" as it were.
North Calaveras
18-04-2007, 04:52
when is my presidents trial going to begin?
North Calaveras
18-04-2007, 04:57
Thank you wagdog for your neutriality, i only wish to have my president returned to power and in return i will have elections for the provinces of my nation and there will be multi-party, the communist party will be the president and the majority.
North Calaveras
18-04-2007, 04:58
im actually a communist(NO JOKE) and i dont get why i get so much harrasement, not to mention the fact that capitalist and fascist countries invade more than socialist countrys.
North Calaveras
18-04-2007, 05:01
your colonle or soemone said there was to be a trial.
The PeoplesFreedom
18-04-2007, 05:01
OCC: What? I am confused. There is no trial, as I have stated repeatedly. Also Wagdog, how the heck am I greifing him out of the game. That is a big accusation. I have seen way worse surrender conditions before, even his communist party is being allowed to run. I have also stated often that my troops WILL leave, except for that one base. And Wagdog, stop tooting your allies' horn so much, I have them, to. Thats include GASN and friends in GUSN and ADAN, etc. I am trying to make this pretty fair. Also my rp isnt hostile. People Rp about torture and crufixcation, and I don't but yet, I am also hostile?
The PeoplesFreedom
18-04-2007, 05:21
your colonle or soemone said there was to be a trial.

OCC: I believe I said he would be under house arrest. There will be no trial.
Wagdog
18-04-2007, 05:24
OCC: What? I am confused. There is no trial, as I have stated repeatedly. Also Wagdog, how the heck am I greifing him out of the game. That is a big accusation. I have seen way worse surrender conditions before, even his communist party is being allowed to run. I have also stated often that my troops WILL leave, except for that one base. And Wagdog, stop tooting your allies' horn so much, I have them, to. Thats include GASN and friends in GUSN and ADAN, etc. I am trying to make this pretty fair. Also my rp isnt hostile. People Rp about torture and crufixcation, and I don't but yet, I am also hostile?
OOC: OK, you can consider this to cover what's in your latest TG so you don't have to reply to that more than needed. Essentially, I saw how you kept badgering NC in the thread where he mouthed off for his "map and numbers"; blatantly disregarding his OOC right not to be dragged into an RP he didn't want to take part in AFAIK.
And I used the word "probably" in my characterization of where this RP might go for a reason, since NC's posts above are starting to sound desperate and aggrieved. In short, he seems to feel he's lost control of his country both outside RP as well as in, as far as I read his statements, and if that's the case then the RP causing it is hostile RP as far as I define the terms. True, other players such as the one AMF is fighting right now would do worse, FAR worse; but NC doesn't seem to know that, and so far your insistence on the most abject of terms is giving him problems enough OOCly speaking. Your insistence on "Nope, it was Unconditional" is so flatly stated that you seem to be repudiating the conditions we agreed to ICly for my PKF to deploy; and given the (standard for counterinsurgency) brutality of the ongoing fighting, the fact foreign contractors are already deploying (RL Iraq-style), and the fact you insist there will be no trial for his leader (In which case, precisely how long is he to stay under house arrest?:rolleyes:) all give NC logical reason to suspect the worst. Again, he had the right to IGNORE you entirely, and you blatantly took advantage of his ignorance of this right or how to articulate it properly; how is that not hostile, or at minimum elitist in the extreme?
The PeoplesFreedom
18-04-2007, 05:31
OCC: I was under the impression that no one had the right to ignore an invasion unless it was a godmod, this came up some time ago. I am also sorry if I seemed to be badergeing him, for I honestly did not mean to. I really wish to patch things up occly and get on with the rp. As for House arrest, He will be under that until after I leave, I just dont want him inciting a rebellion? Thats really quite fair. And as you even admitted, I am using normal counter-insurgency tactics and not worse.
Wagdog
18-04-2007, 05:32
OCC: I was under the impression that no one had the right to ignore an invasion unless it was a godmod, this came up some time ago. I am also sorry if I seemed to be badergeing him, for I honestly did not mean to. I really wish to patch things up occly and get on with the rp.
OOC: Well, I'm just saying my piece since this RP struck me as being at the very raw edge of the fairness rules in raw OOC terms. Again, I'm not saying NC fought well or anything. A return trip to the stickies never hurt anyone (both of us), right?;) I accept your apology (I've asked for updates a few times myself, just never quite so bluntly), so ya we can go ahead (although I think my IC bit is in the other thread, we'll see).
The PeoplesFreedom
18-04-2007, 05:36
OCC: Once again, I am honestly sorry if I came of as rude, I really try to be nice.
Wagdog
18-04-2007, 05:42
OCC: Once again, I am honestly sorry if I came of as rude, I really try to be nice.
OOC: Again, so we can keep the OOC clutter back down, check your latest TG. Thanks.:)
Thakuria
18-04-2007, 06:15
State Department
Once again, The Peoples Freedom wishes to inform Thakuria that any military action against our forces in NC will be met by our own action.

OCC: How are they getting there?

State Department
Once again, The Peoples Freedom wishes to inform Thakuria that any military action against our forces in NC will be met by our own action.

OCC: How are they getting there?

Why we shall cross the border of course! NC borders Thakuria we are in the same region. It is NOT in our interests to have a Capitalist colony in a region controlled by the people. Our economy not anywhere near totalitarian, it is run by the workers and we wish for NC to be that way instead of under a Capitalist monetary dictatorship. Our troops have crossed the borders under cover of darkness. Under our international charter we must insist that you leave the nation alone immediately or we shall be forced to take military action. I advise you it is not wise to get on our bad side, our nation is fiercely patriotic and will gladly die for the motherland. Our duty is to only return fire if fired upon and the job of the fanatical E.R. units is to protect the people of NC therefore if we observe mistreatment of our proletarian brothers and sisters we will be forced to open fire.
sincerely, Gen Matarico
Wanderjar
20-04-2007, 15:14
Why we shall cross the border of course! NC borders Thakuria we are in the same region. It is NOT in our interests to have a Capitalist colony in a region controlled by the people. Our economy not anywhere near totalitarian, it is run by the workers and we wish for NC to be that way instead of under a Capitalist monetary dictatorship. Our troops have crossed the borders under cover of darkness. Under our international charter we must insist that you leave the nation alone immediately or we shall be forced to take military action. I advise you it is not wise to get on our bad side, our nation is fiercely patriotic and will gladly die for the motherland. Our duty is to only return fire if fired upon and the job of the fanatical E.R. units is to protect the people of NC therefore if we observe mistreatment of our proletarian brothers and sisters we will be forced to open fire.
sincerely, Gen Matarico

If you do this, you will face the wrath of the New Prussian Empire, something I assure you you do not wish to incur. TPF and I have been staunch allies for some time now, and I would gladly bleed your nation dry if one TPF soldier were harmed by your forces.

Attack and die. Simple as that.


(OOC: That was all IC by the way :))
Free Outer Eugenia
20-04-2007, 15:32
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=524584