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According to the Weston York Times frontpage article posted last Sunday.

Hundreds of men from the communist paramilitary extremist group Sons of Lenin laid seize to the Wessylvania Statehouse last weekend. In attempt to forcefully overthrow local state government! According to Wessylvania state police the Sons of Lenin infiltrated the statehouse during the early morning. Several state congressmembers and federal officers including Wessylvania Supreme Court Judge William L. Peakney were held hostage as members of the extremist group barricaded themselves in the Congressional Chamber. Statehouse security officials were forced to retreat and locked into a committee room as several members of the Sons of Lenin bombarded them with heavy gunfire. At 11:10 am, Wessylvania State Militia soon arrived at the scene after several local police officers were injured by homemade bombs thrown out windows. All building surrounding the statehouse were evacuated and eventually all of downtown Wellsley. After 1:00 pm a series of explosions rocked the Wessylvania statehouse as negotiations soured. Lieutenant Marshall Simpson of state division of the Federal Police Bureau was killed in the blast after entering the south wing of the statehouse. At 1:51 pm several regiments of the Wessylvania State Militia entered the statehouse. Onlookers sought cover as heavy gunfire poured on at the statehouse. At 2:40 pm authorites were relieved as Captain David Orvall came on the radio with the "all clear" response. Several more regiments of the state militia entered the statehouse to secure the premises for Federal Police Bureau agents. At 3:00 pm several members of the Sons of Lenin communist radical group were ushered out of the statehouse and into nearby vehicles. Medical crews rushed to the scene to rescue 5 severely injured statehouse security officials. State Supreme Court Judge William L. Peakney walked out of the statehouse under his own power, but was sent to the nearby hospital for assessment. Majority of the extremists had committed suicide as militia regiments stormed in. However, three purported "leaders" of sieze were found alive. The Sons of Lenin is a rather unknown extremist group, however recent data has provided that they are an international highly ideological communist party who vow to eliminate capitalist governments. The Wesmerica Department of State Defense has issued the following statement. "All nations must be on the lookout for this Sons of Lenin terrorist group. Please thread all reports of SOL matters directly"

OOC: Communists are trying to invade my nation on another forum which determines some of the IC stuff with my nation here

IC:

It wasn't long before the South Lizasauria knew of this, citizens watching international news learnt of it and immediately contacted the government due to the red scare currently going on in South Lizasauria

Concerned Citezen John Wu: The Reds are already trying to take Wesmerica, and the communists outside our trenches seem to be growing in number. They'll get more resources and manpower if this isn't dealt with. We must liberate Wesmerica from the evils of the left especially if we don't want them to gain strength.

LT: General! He's right! They are only rebels with guns, we must strike now before they gain complete control over the state and reinforce and support unfriendly commie states.

*parliament officials were present and nodded to the general*

General: So be it. *wires transmission to Wesmerica*

This is General Wikkum of South Lizasauria, our government would like to give you immediate military support. Do we have permission to rescue your officials?

The Errikan Empire is opposed to the spread of the cancer that is communism, and would like to offer Wesmerica our greatest moral support for their upcoming struggles against them. On a more tangible note, a collection of private concerns have gathered together $50 million EM (or $100 million USD) to aid you in your endevors.

From the Desk of the Droskianishk Consul

Droskianishk is against the spread of the infectious communism. We hope our new extensive background checks on immigrants will lead to the arrest of any individuals connected to your recent rebellious outbreak.

Consul of Droskianishk
Sikako Kutz

Hello good fellow nations!
We the nation of Indepenants humbly offer our services to
aid you in your fight against unwanted political and military actions.
If you are in need of aid, we could enter and provide support.
Please feel free to contact us if you need any aid, or arms for your
defence.
The benevolent Dictator.

OOC: Why is it ALWAYS communists?

OOC: Why is it ALWAYS communists?

OOC: *shrugs* Communism is a very common disease, and is known to be very infectious. And, to be fair, it is not always commies. I have seen a few fascists as well.

OOC: *shrugs* Communism is a very common disease, and is known to be very infectious. And, to be fair, it is not always commies. I have seen a few fascists as well.

Then i guess alot of people like it i myself am one and am going to fight a war because i m getting invaded for my political beliefes.

Then i guess alot of people like it i myself am one and am going to fight a war because i m getting invaded for my political beliefes.

OOC: Could you use a little more punctuation, please? It makes everything a lot easier to understand.

ya sure

Why don't you guys ever leaves communists alone, the soviet union is gone(sheds a tear) you dont have to worry about us as much as fascist and dictatorship like countrys. Although we encourage commmunist revolutions.

Why don't you guys ever leaves communists alone, the soviet union is gone(sheds a tear) you dont have to worry about us as much as fascist and dictatorship like countrys. Although we encourage commmunist revolutions.

OOC: That last part is what is most concerning. All descendents of Marxism (Leninism and Trotskyism especially, though it still applies to Stalinism and Maoism and the others) involve that, which is why we describe them as infectious disease or cancer, and generally fight them tooth and nail.

OOC: Umm... WHY has the author suddenly double-posted this thread?:confused: Isn't getting one 'communist' nation to agree your band of ultra-radicals is a threat in the original thread enough? Or do you insist on us all lining up to support them like we're somehow 'supposed' to and get conveniently dogpiled by your allies, eh?:rolleyes:

If you or any ally is haveing a communist REVOLUTION then i guess alot of people in the country supports it, just as people like the democrat and republican partys.

If you or any ally is haveing a communist REVOLUTION then i guess alot of people in the country supports it, just as people like the democrat and republican partys.

OOC: Though that would not necessarily be true, since a radical minority can easily form a revolution, even if it were it would make sense for other nations to try and stop it, since this nation, once infected (aka turned communist), would then go on to infect others (support more revolutions or just plain invade other nations to turn them communist).

If you or any ally is haveing a communist REVOLUTION then i guess alot of people in the country supports it, just as people like the democrat and republican partys.

OCC: Did you get your map and numbers ready? Telegram me.

please tell me how many Communist countrys have invaded others. i can tell you how many capitialist.

OCC: I do not care. I'm sure its equal or whatever. Give me your numbers and such please.

please tell me how many Communist countrys have invaded others. i can tell you how many capitialist.

crap i cant send it i click on it in the folder and drag it but it just takes uip the screen.

please tell me how many Communist countrys have invaded others. i can tell you how many capitialist.

OOC: I seriously doubt that either of us can provide an accurate portrayal of these numbers if we involve all of NS, or even RL for the most part. I seem to recall the cold war being a struggle between captialism and communsim, with both invading across the world (the Soviet Union, prior to its rapid fall in the time of Reagan, had conquered much of the world, and was actively invading Afghanistan).

EDIT: This is all but completely off topic. Let's get back.

im in the middle of a war right now so it might take me a while to get back to you.

OOC: I seriously doubt that either of us can provide an accurate portrayal of these numbers if we involve all of NS, or even RL for the most part. I seem to recall the cold war being a struggle between captialism and communsim, with both invading across the world (the Soviet Union, prior to its rapid fall in the time of Reagan, had conquered much of the world, and was actively invading Afghanistan).

EDIT: This is all but completely off topic. Let's get back.


OCC: Would you like to join me in the crusade against North and Communism?

OOC: Perhaps. Do you have more details? Links to related-ness, perhaps?

OCC: I am getting the specifics from him now, my conservative friend. Thread will be up soon.

OCC: Would you like to join me in the crusade against North and Communism?

OOC: Perhaps. Do you have more details? Links to related-ness, perhaps?

OOC: Umm... WHY has the author suddenly double-posted this thread?:confused: Isn't getting one 'communist' nation to agree your band of ultra-radicals is a threat in the original thread enough? Or do you insist on us all lining up to support them like we're somehow 'supposed' to and get conveniently dogpiled by your allies, eh?:rolleyes:
Yes, and quite frankly I'm sick of this repeative garbage or pathetic traps.
You know WHY there aren't any Fascist uprisings? Because many users LIKE Fascist nations.
OOC: I seriously doubt that either of us can provide an accurate portrayal of these numbers if we involve all of NS, or even RL for the most part. I seem to recall the cold war being a struggle between captialism and communsim, with both invading across the world (the Soviet Union, prior to its rapid fall in the time of Reagan, had conquered much of the world, and was actively invading Afghanistan). In NS the majority of the Invader nations are Capitalists\Fascists.

Yet all over the forums, Pinkos are, for some reason, the larger threat.

OCC: And I took one down, yay!

OOC: Good job. Let's celebrate *brings out shots and sombreros*

OCC: And I took one down, yay!

OCC: And I took one down, yay!

And what will go up in it's place? A capitalist Dictatorship? A corporate fascist state? A Democracy? (Hopes)

I'm just glad MY plan for defeat is to Nuke my own nation. Giving my opponents a Pyrrhic victory

And what will go up in it's place? A capitalist Dictatorship? A corporate fascist state? A Democracy? (Hopes)

I'm just glad MY plan for defeat is to Nuke my own nation.

OCC: Thats very... progressive... sacrifices millions or billion. Thats pathetic If I do say so.

OCC: Thats very... progressive... sacrifices millions or billion. Thats pathetic If I do say so.
Better than serving under some Neo-Fascist bastards. Freedom or death is another motto of my nation.

You know WHY there aren't any Fascist uprisings? Because many users LIKE Fascist nations.

Damn straight! It has nothing to do with the fact that many of us lived, or were very close to living at the time of the Cold War, when the USSR was portrayed as a greater threat than Nazi Germany ever was. I imagine if there was an equivalent board in 1945 (assuming the the internet miraculously was invented by Al Gore at that time), there'd be fascist uprisings all over the damn place.

Better than serving under some Neo-Fascist bastards. Freedom or death is another motto of my nation.

Because killing billions of people is better than suffering a few years of tyranny until you can organize an uprising.

The Nation of Zeara has aggreed to help its communist brothers and give them 1 billion dollars and 500 Royal Zeara marines

OOC: Yes Zeara is communist but we have a royal family which i know is like totaly non communist but the royal family acts kind of like real worl england's.

IC:

we also offer the services of 2 SU-27 fighter jets.

we support the spreed of communism and it's ideal's but at this point and time are looking at avoiding a war as our own home situation needs attention. so after the marines money and fighter jets arrive to the sons of lenin the nation of Zeara accepts no responsablity for what they are used for.

Damn straight! It has nothing to do with the fact that many of us lived, or were very close to living at the time of the Cold War, when the USSR was portrayed as a greater threat than Nazi Germany ever was. What threat? They couldn't invade Europe because America had the A-bomb, and they knew America wouldn't invade them because they had the A-bomb as well.
So the 'soviet front' was a stalemate.
Besides the USSR stopped being communist when stalin took power.(Personally I'm not communist either, it's too unrealistic.)

I imagine if there was an equivalent board in 1945 (assuming the the internet miraculously was invented by Al Gore at that time), there'd be fascist uprisings all over the damn place. That's pretty pathetic to hate the soviets more than the Nazis during WWII. Considering we were supposedly allies and all.


Because killing billions of people is better than suffering a few years of tyranny until you can organize an uprising.
Or having your people turned into oil for Parthia's war efforts, or sold into slave labor, or used for Breeding like Kraven, or just plain executed and replaced with the conquering army's people.

PS: It's only a 'last man standing' situation. The population would mostly fight to the death, TLA propraganda has made sure that there will be no surrender by the people. So when it's only down to a handfull of survivors in a bunker, BOOM.

Those few people being your leaders, right? Because if you gave every person in the TLA the launch codes, one of them is bound to screw it all up.

What threat? They couldn't invade Europe because America had the A-bomb, and they knew America wouldn't invade them because they had the A-bomb as well.
So the 'soviet front' was a stalemate.

Tell me, do you understand the meaning of the word 'portrayed'? Oh, and isn't the A-bomb alone a large threat? Invasion was never the fear; mutual nuclear annihilation was. Just because the Soviets weren't going to invade Europe doesn't mean they couldn't, oh, I don't know, lay waste to every major population centre in more-or-less every continent in the world. The Soviets were capable of a lot more destruction during the Cold War than Hitler was during WW2. They may not have attacked, but the fear was still there.

Besides the USSR stopped being communist when stalin took power.(Personally I'm not communist either, it's too unrealistic.)

The little nuances of language that allow you to state that 'Stalin wasn't a communist!', as according to some ultra-specific definition of a communist, or whatnot, don't change public perception, which is the crux of the matter. Stalin was seen as the leader of the communist world. The communist world, primarily the USSR, was seen as a massive threat.

That's pretty pathetic to hate the soviets more than the Nazis during WWII. Considering we were supposedly allies and all.

I'm going to assume that you didn't read my post, and more-or-less babbled randomly for a time, hoping that something coherent would come out. Let me explain once more. Maybe you'll even get it this time! Communist uprisings happen here on NS because people dislike communists, and see them as an excellent antagonist for their nation.

Should an equivalent internet board exist in 1945, assuming that the invention of the internet took place some time earlier, there'd be fascist and Nazi uprisings for the same reasons.

I'm going to assume that you didn't read my post, and more-or-less babbled randomly for a time, hoping that something coherent would come out. Let me explain once more. Maybe you'll even get it this time! Communist uprisings happen here on NS because people dislike communists, and see them as an excellent antagonist for their nation.

Should an equivalent internet board exist in 1945, assuming that the invention of the internet took place some time earlier, there'd be fascist and
Nazi uprisings for the same reasons.
OOC
Perhaps they'd be predominant, but there are fascist uprisings on NS even now. Such as Hamilays 'A Republic Betrayed' (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=522103) (yes, the Imperialists there seem to be heading in a small-f fascist direction IMO) or Vetaka's fairly-explicit 'Rise of the Nationalists' (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=523550), anyone?
The problem is, International Incidents is in the middle of another 'fad' where bashing communist players with threads designed to bait them into dogpile-wars is fashionable again, since this 'generation' of players seems to have quite a few proverbial 'commies' in it; and the more-established corporate dictatorships and deliberately-traditionalist monarchies of the late-'04 to '05 'generation' naturally see this ICly (and some even OOCly) as a mortal threat, to be stamped out violently lest more players dare to embrace Socialism for some reason. Yes I said 'another', since IIRC one happened right after I allowed Wagdog to CTE back in 2004. In retrospect, I wonder what the tune of the anti-communists would be now had I stuck around and were now bigger than even Questers when it comes to population and power; and had an attitude much more like the usual unreconstructed Castroist like I started out as, eh?
'Fads' like this come and go, naturally; another big one being the anti-slavery wars running around since time immemorial, thanks to many n00b nations somehow thinking it's cool to enslave their own populace for a quick buck and will get them some attention. Naturally, it only works so long as it gets them their 15 minutes of fame in a usually badly-written war RP, before they have to figure out a new gimmick once the hardcore anti-slavery crusaders (me newest among them) smash them and dictate terms forbidding slavery. About a year ago we had an (another?:confused:) outbreak of the the proverbial 'genocide for your 15 minutes of fame' fad, which itself seems to be coming back again slowly if the Zanski RP is any indication.
Bottom line, you may have a point about what a 1945 NS II might look like in terms of anti-communist versus anti-fascist threads; but I bet it would be subject to the same broad pattern of cyclical fashions we see IRL. One minute what you observed might hold, but then a proto-Cold War mood might take hold and the Reds would be the new villains again, and then again maybe gangsters would steal strategic bombers and nukes to become bigger threats than even the fascists or communists; maybe establishing the prototypes of the supposed 'corporate police state', anyone? I'm honestly wondering what cheap thrill's going to overtake II once ACTO et al get smart and realize that the more-established Reds here aren't going away anytime soon, since we simply won't make the mistakes needed for that to happen and get dogpiled to death.

OOC: when are the Communists going to discover the joy of Anarchist uprisings so I can get dogpiled too? I feel so left out:(
I mean with no standing army and an RP population of 40-60 million, I'd be a pushover.

OOC: when are the Communists going to discover the joy of Anarchist uprisings so I can get dogpiled too? I feel so left out:(
I mean with no standing army and an RP population of 40-60 million, I'd be a pushover.


OOC: You know, I just could try that. Do you have an IM program?

OOC: You know, I just could try that. Do you have an IM program?

OOC: Oh for Marx's sake I was kidding! Seriously, the problem with those things is that the capitalist (or in your case Communist) will inevitably RP straw man commie (or anarchist) insurgents and the other player is left defending a caricature. Very frustrating. I'll only do it if you really do RP a horrible Stalinist dictatorship (I'd never fight a sweetheart like Constantinopolis for example) and I get to have total control (or in the very least approval) over the actions, statements and policies of the insurgents.

I don't do IM anymore. If you're interested, tm my nation or contact me on the CACE (http://z1.invisionfree.com/forums/CACE/index.php?) boards.

OOC: You called me a communist. I'm an ACTO (Anti-Communist Treaty Organization), Sovereign League, and Greater Prussian Empire member and you called me a communist. I also OOCly work (apart from other things) for the Evil American Gun Industry [tm].

OOC: I am thinking, you could conduct some anarchist raid in my nation. Then I would invade you. Then, meh, whatever.

OOC: You called me a communist. I'm an ACTO (Anti-Communist Treaty Organization), Sovereign League, and Greater Prussian Empire member and you called me a communist. I also OOCly work (apart from other things) for the Evil American Gun Industry [tm].OOC: Ah... well... I just figured that you were responding to:when are the Communists going to discover the joy of Anarchist uprisings

That's even better:D
Here's FOE's wiki entry by the way:
http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Free_Outer_Eugenia

not exactly sure what 'an anarchist raid' is... perhaps a group of Outer Eugenian freedom fighters can break some syndicalist labor organizers who were framed for a murder and are about to be executed out of one of your prisons or something?

Want to start an OOC thread for this? I might not be able to start for a week or two and then I might be able to start immediately depending on a few things...

I read it before I started looking up your posts.

Okay, so we can stop spamming this with pointless OOC:

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12553258

Official Statement from the New Greater Nicksyllvanian Empire:

The Nicksyllvanian Empire will not tolerate any communist uprisings in the world and will intervene with full military force should it prove nessecery to prevent another state becoming a genocidal communist hellhole.

Your sweeping generalization about the quality of life in and the ethics of communist societies can only have been born of the deepest ignorance. Free Outer Eugenia is anarcho-communist. Constantinopolis is communist. These societies are all but genocidal and 'hell holes.' communism is simply the deeply humane and just principle of 'from each according to ability and to each according to need.' There are indeed those who wrap their murderous dictatorships in the red flag- but these Stalins, Lenins, Castros and Pol Pots are no more 'communist' then they are neckties.

-Samuel Delgado,
Political Studies Collective
Ferrer University at Port Bakunin

"There is nothing humane or just about the principle 'from each according to his ability, to each according to his greed'... wait, I meant 'need'.'

~Hugh Akston, professor of Philosophy, University of Concord, Liberty-City

Your sweeping generalization about the quality of life in and the ethics of communist societies can only have been born of the deepest ignorance. Free Outer Eugenia is anarcho-communist. Constantinopolis is communist. These societies are all but genocidal and 'hell holes.' communism is simply the deeply humane and just principle of 'from each according to ability and to each according to need.' There are indeed those who wrap their murderous dictatorships in the red flag- but these Stalins, Lenins, Castros and Pol Pots are no more 'communist' then they are neckties.

-Samuel Delgado,
Political Studies Collective
Ferrer University at Port Bakunin

More blatant lies from Communist lapdogs, did you send this letter for your daily bread ration or perhaps your family was threatened with death. Either way all communist nations are evil abominations that must be eradicated for the betterment of the human race.

Takeda Von Schiller
Supreme Head Administrator of Imperial Foreign Affairs

Official Statement from the New Greater Nicksyllvanian Empire:

The Nicksyllvanian Empire will not tolerate any communist uprisings in the world and will intervene with full military force should it prove nessecery to prevent another state becoming a genocidal communist hellhole.
OOC: Considering I'm about two posts away from invading you on two fronts, it's an empty threat. Speaking of that I need a reply or bump.

OOC: Considering I'm about two posts away from invading you on two fronts, it's an empty threat. Speaking of that I need a reply or bump.
OOC: SHHH, quiet down!:p After all, we want him to flail his troops about invading every n00b leftist nation and thus weaken his power at home, right?;) Oh and NN, do remember the OOC distinction when you read this please; thanks.

ooc: honestly people not all communist are bad! The Idea is good, it just never really works out that way. In fact many people like the ideas but the governments just have all turned out to be crappy. If someone could get it working right though, then it would be an awsome place to live. And this is coming from a non-communist! my nation isn't even communist.

More blatant lies from Communist lapdogs, did you send this letter for your daily bread ration or perhaps your family was threatened with death. Either way all communist nations are evil abominations that must be eradicated for the betterment of the human race.

Takeda Von Schiller
Supreme Head Administrator of Imperial Foreign Affairs
Who would threaten anyone with death in Free Outer Eugenia? We do not have a state, and we have no police. What "ration?" Most food in our green cities is produced in local communal gardens and is generally consumed in them as well!

Once again: who would threaten a Free Outer Eugenian with death? We certainly do not have anyone who is as murderous as this "Takeda Von Schiller." He is the only one who is threatening our family (all 60 million of us) with death right now. Wielding so much unnatural power seems to drive one completely mad.

-Esteban Largo,
Lacadonia Village Commune
Federated Anarchist Communes of Free Outer Eugenia