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I ask your opinion on this ship I made. I know some aspects are a bit off, but it is my first.

S.I.N Ragnarok (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/S.I.N_Ragnarok)

I know the name is off. Im fixing that in a minute.

Noone likes to design ships?

It's only been about twenty minutes. =P That, and many of the ship designers on NS are Brits, and they're mostly sleeping right now.

I know. Im just bored. Did you take a look at it?

I did, but you could classify me as "mentally challenged" on naval matters. XD

Nice art, though. That I can appreciate.

I did, but you could classify me as "mentally challenged" on naval matters. XD

Nice art, though. That I can appreciate.


Thanks. Im currently working on a much better armed one after being curious and seeing the Hood from inside your wiki factbook. MINE SHALL HAVE MORE WEAPONS THAT THE ENTIRE CONTINENTAL UNITED STATES!!!

What size are the main guns?

It looks nice. (though I'm not a big fan of superdreadnaughts)

My only issue are the missiles near the front of the ship. They seem awfully exposed and would be subect to damage by shrapnal, you wouldn't even need a direct hit to damage them, and are fully exposed to the elements. i would give some thoughts to putting them in a belowdecks VLS.

There are only few things that I can see that don't really make much sense. The first is crew. With a ship that size, with powerplants capable of propelling it to 31+ knots, and with such armaments, only a crew of 2,200? Both the Iowa and the Yamato Classes of Battleships require over 2000 personnel and those ships were not only a third the size, but also have less equipment and weaponry. My other comment is your side-mounted cannons that only have a limited (less than 180 degree) axis. It's severely limiting in terms of broadside fire. I would suggest something more standard. Also, I'm concerned about the draught. I can't think of any deep water ports that can take such a deep draught without the ship hitting the bottom.

The missile system and lack of gun calibers seem to be the only problems other than minor spelling errors. cough www.getfirefox.com cough

Thanks Tolvan. I left the ship with that flaw. The main guns I havent figured out yet. Im working on it. Now Im mad that I found a image of the Hood superdreadnaught. I MUST make one that can outgun it, even if it takes a few weeks of 8 hour a day computer work.

Thanks Tolvan. I left the ship with that flaw. The main guns I havent figured out yet. Im working on it. Now Im mad that I found a image of the Hood superdreadnaught. I MUST make one that can outgun it, even if it takes a few weeks of 8 hour a day computer work.

Lol good luck. There's not many designers out there crazy enough to even try and challenge Matt's supercap superiority with the Hood.

You thinking of selling the ship or the design?

There are only few things that I can see that don't really make much sense. The first is crew. With a ship that size, with powerplants capable of propelling it to 31+ knots, and with such armaments, only a crew of 2,200? Both the Iowa and the Yamato Classes of Battleships require over 2000 personnel and those ships were not only a third the size, but also have less equipment and weaponry. My other comment is your side-mounted cannons that only have a limited (less than 180 degree) axis. It's severely limiting in terms of broadside fire. I would suggest something more standard. Also, I'm concerned about the draught. I can't think of any deep water ports that can take such a deep draught without the ship hitting the bottom.

Well, this is NS. My ports can handle it. Ill fix the crew im sorry about that. It was my first jab at it. Im aware of the side mounted cannons. Im just a fan of them.

Riiight, the bloody 'this is NS' excuse. Anyways, even if your ports can handle it, your ship can't operate anywhere but middle of the channel. It's movements will be severely limited. My suggestion would be to make the draught less.

You thinking of selling the ship or the design?

Well, considering im going to manage to outclass it soon why not?

The price is undetermined, but its probably a hell of a alot. Somewhere in the area of 3-400 billion minimum.

Riiight, the bloody 'this is NS' excuse. Anyways, even if your ports can handle it, your ship can't operate anywhere but middle of the channel. It's movements will be severely limited. My suggestion would be to make the draught less.


I didnt mean to be rude, just honest.

OOC: A few issues that crop up to my mind:
1: Wing turrets, generally it is assumed that, to put it in netspeak, "wing turretz=failz lolz". Basically your primary turrets are going to be insanely heavy and you really need them to be supported by the strongest part of the ship: the keel, wing turrets can't be supported by the keel so either you are goign to have soem pretty serious structural issues or put soem major reinforcements in that part of the hull which will cost A LOT of weight.

2: If it were me i would move the launch psotion for those big msisiles from the prow to the psotion occupied by the wing turrets, where they are currently will lead them to take a huge pounding from the gun balst every time the guns are fired.

3: main gun calibre: far too big, 37.4"/95cm is insanely huge and msot defiantly not practical on a sub kilometer ship, you might get away with 30" guns but even then that would be a stretch

4: dispalcement, not entirely sure on this one but IIRC most of the super heavies in the kilometer region have dispalcement measured in millions of tons

The actual dimensions seem fine but i must make some points that certainly lead on from Crookfur's points.

1. The main guns are 95cm. That is bibically large, bigger is far from better when it comes to naval gunnery. 95 is too big because reloading times, even mechanised auto-loaders, will take forever to load the shells after the salvo. Speaking of the salvo, it will miss- too inaccurate. Basically it is too large ad you're better off using smaller calibre guns. I personally use 25" guns on all my major capital ships.

2. No dual purpose guns, instead you've got another huge cannon at midships. 5-10" double barrelled guns numbering nearly...say... 40 would be a typical secondary armament.

3. I'm worried about the missile racks on the prow- direct hit there will vapourise half the ship. In crease the deck armour a bit and stick them in VLS tubes- your ship dimensions are huge so you have masses of space- use it!.

4. 31+ knts is a bit fast but admittedly i guess the speed of my ships because i know sod all on powerplants. So longs i have a fair number of them and they are nuclear then the ship wil go around 21-30 knts.

Other than that, its a good ship but it is vastly under-armed for its size, and where you have guns they are far too big.

OK.

Displacement = x15.

The missiles are BAD. They MUST be VLSd. You also have far too few to contend with contemporary dreadnoughts.

Also scrap the wing turrets.

otherwise... *shrug* the art itself is a high standard, but it doesn't look like a battleship really, biggest issue being the guns, the bridge, and the funnel, but as I said the art itself is of a good standard.

[OOC: You could join the NS Draftroom (http://s13.invisionfree.com/The_NS_Draftroom/index.php?) for more tips.]

The Walking Billboard of Southeastasia.

The Walking Billboard of Southeastasia.
...Watch the spelling, please. Both IC and OOC.

...Watch the spelling, please. Both IC and OOC.

What? He spelled it right. Give 'em a break.

Shaz! Questers! Shame on you! The *amount*! of times you've all been corrected!!!! It's Southeast Asia, cuz SEA was too slow to get there before someone else did.... *sighs*. When will you people learn!

Of course, in the idea world, I'm sure SE-A (Watch the hypen, people!) could just try and have a quiet word with the mods or whatever, rather than just making pointless spam comments about spelling, just like this one............

Anyway, onto the ship...

Good Quality Lineart, shrink the Caliber a tad, and you'll be right there.

What? He spelled it right. Give 'em a break.

Southeast Asia xD.

I know nothing about ship design but that looks VERY high. Get those missiles under the deck as Questers suggested out of the way. Lower the guns, thats my advice. Looks sweet but yeah, big target that high ;)

Of course, in the idea world, I'm sure SE-A (Watch the hypen, people!) could just try and have a quiet word with the mods or whatever, rather than just making pointless spam comments about spelling, just like this one............
[OOC: Technically, it isn't pointless nor is it stupid because not everybody knows. And the mod squad would never agree to it, as far as I know, thanks to Lord Barry's decision when he created this website. And it's a space, not a hyphen in my country name and national adjective (between the small 't' of 'Southeast' and the capital 'A' of 'Asia/Asian')...though the hyphen isn't incorrectly used when it comes to grammar. The acronym of my country name would lack a hyphen between the E and A, lumped together without a space. But I've gone on long enough, and I'm dragging it off topic. Toodooloo!]