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OOC: I had this Idea while talking to The Macabees about The T-90EX then it Hit me, why not make a New CT-class tank, one made to Destroy enemy Armored Vehicles.

IC: The CT-30 Viper Main Battle Tank.

Size: 25.43 (less gun) x 10.53 x 10.27 ft (7.75 x 3.21 x 3.13 m)
Weight: 68 tons (62 mt)
Weapons: 130mm D-70 main gun, M85 .50 Caliber Fixed Machine Gun
Armor: Titanium Alloy Armor.
range of 280 miles (450 km)
Crew of 4 (commander, gunner, loader, driver)
Speed: 35 mph (56 km/h)
Engine: 750 hp (559 kw) 12-cylinder diesel.

The CT-30 is The Newest and Third of The CT Line (the CT-24 and CT-28). It is made to take on enemy Tanks and other Vehicles. With Titanium Alloy Armor, it is The Most well Armored Tank in the Hatarian Army. It's Most deadly weapon is the 130mm D-70 Gun that is made to fire a Thermite Shell that can Make sure a enemy Tank is knocked out.

Price for anyone who wants to buy some of these: $900,000,000

May I point out that your 85mm cannon won't even penetrate one of MY tanks? (And I intentionally RP my forces as KEKEKE numbers over quality)

Thermite is a terrible AT weapon.

OOC:
What year is this tank supposed to be used in?

It's better than your last tank :P


http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=358311



*remembers the good ol' days*

OOC:
What year is this tank supposed to be used in?

MT/PMT The Titanium Armor is PMT

It's better than your last tank :P


http://forums2.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=358311



*remembers the good ol' days*

Stop Bringing up Old Dirt Noobish one

unless you are one of The old users who has Returned.

MT/PMT?

Unless that 85 mm fires KE OMG OMG OMG teh Painz! LRP shells, it won't be much of a threat, and using such small CE type shells to cause any point damage to a vehicle nowdays is laughable.

There is a reason why thermite isn't fired from a gun, namely, in the event of a misfire or premature detonation of the shell within the barrel...

The coaxial (I ope it is co-axial for everyone's sake) gun and lack of any other weapons or countermeasures seems wrong (No smoke grenades?)

Speed seems about right, P/W ratio is a bit outdated (P/W ratios of 10 to 20 was comon before the 90's, now tanks are leaning ever closer to 30...)

Range is horrible...

Should consider making it lighter, as most bridges are only built to take 55 to 60 tons... While Hurtian bridges generally only handle 45 tons...

Thermite also tends to roll down the side of a plate if it can, it takes the path of least immediate resistance to the ground... (electricity takes the path of least overall resistance)

There are other things to make a tank from than Titanium, and for one, overheating that metal in the presence of oxygen makes the stuff brttle enough you can shatter 1" thick plate of it with a 1 pound hammer.

I recall mentioning on one thread that Hataria has improved his skill at RPing consideably, but was then confronted with a question that asked what he was like before

Proggress only occurs in leaps and bounds, 'steady proggress', is just a set of evenly spaced leaps and bounds, much likethe distance covered with your feet when you walk, run, or jump.

MT/PMT?

Unless that 85 mm fires KE OMG OMG OMG teh Painz! LRP shells, it won't be much of a threat, and using such small CE type shells to cause any point damage to a vehicle nowdays is laughable.

There is a reason why thermite isn't fired from a gun, namely, in the event of a misfire or premature detonation of the shell within the barrel...

The coaxial (I ope it is co-axial for everyone's sake) gun and lack of any other weapons or countermeasures seems wrong (No smoke grenades?)

Speed seems about right, P/W ratio is a bit outdated (P/W ratios of 10 to 20 was comon before the 90's, now tanks are leaning ever closer to 30...)

Range is horrible...

Should consider making it lighter, as most bridges are only built to take 55 to 60 tons... While Hurtian bridges generally only handle 45 tons...

Thermite also tends to roll down the side of a plate if it can, it takes the path of least immediate resistance to the ground... (electricity takes the path of least overall resistance)

There are other things to make a tank from than Titanium, and for one, overheating that metal in the presence of oxygen makes the stuff brttle enough you can shatter 1" thick plate of it with a 1 pound hammer.

I recall mentioning on one thread that Hataria has improved his skill at RPing consideably, but was then confronted with a question that asked what he was like before

Proggress only occurs in leaps and bounds, 'steady proggress', is just a set of evenly spaced leaps and bounds, much likethe distance covered with your feet when you walk, run, or jump.

Does The Words 'Shut up' Meen anything to you? if so then STOP SPAMMING MY THREAD OR ELSE I WILL GET THE MODS TO DELETE YOUR POST!

Its the price intentionally stupidly high? 900,000,000 bucks will buy you a decent missile submarine.

Does The Words 'Shut up' Meen anything to you? if so then STOP SPAMMING MY THREAD OR ELSE I WILL GET THE MODS TO DELETE YOUR POST!
Yes
What spam?
I'd like to see that...

Does The Words 'Shut up' Meen anything to you? if so then STOP SPAMMING MY THREAD OR ELSE I WILL GET THE MODS TO DELETE YOUR POST!

Because pointing out the blatant flaws in a design so the designer can learn from his mistakes and create a better product to sell to the masses is obviously spam.... <.<



Just to reiterate, 85mm will literally bounce off the turret armor of most NS MBTs. And don't even look at the Glacis plate.

Bump

OOC: So, Hataria, what happened to Galaxia?

Should consider making it lighter, as most bridges are only built to take 55 to 60 tons... While Hurtian bridges generally only handle 45 tons...


Hmm.. my MBT weighs 80 tons...

Does The Words 'Shut up' Meen anything to you? if so then STOP SPAMMING MY THREAD OR ELSE I WILL GET THE MODS TO DELETE YOUR POST!

Not spam. It called "Constructive Criticism".

you... Waste... All... Of... Your.... Time... On... This. Stuff..... When.... We're... All... Waiting.... On.... You

OOC: It is good as an engineer's vehicle, but it has a major problem.

Titanium reacts dangerous when you get nuked. And I think I've done it once too. It emits positrons and hard gamma rays. A danger to the crew.

I suggest using Magnesium armor. Magnesium is the third most commonly used structural metal. It is the 8th most common metal in the earth's crust. It will be much cheaper and easier to work with than Titanium and doesn't contain the same problems as Titanium.

Also, upgun the thing. If you really want to use Thermite to destroy something, you really need a large caliber. And since range doesn't seem to be an issue, use a 230mm Engineer's Gun with a short barrel. It will do so much more damage.

Drop the cost to $15,000,000 or less. That is reasonable.

No one criticize me for helping him. SHUSH! ;)

Thermite CAN'T beat tank armor, that's the problem. While I might be able to use a pile of it to burn through your engine block, it has no armor penetrating value whatsoever and you can't fit enough in an 80mm shell to do more than singe the paint. Just go with a 120mm smoothbore with a saboted long rod penetrator Hataria, you'll get actual penetration values and a likelihood of killing an NS tank.

Thermite CAN'T beat tank armor, that's the problem. While I might be able to use a pile of it to burn through your engine block, it has no armor penetrating value whatsoever and you can't fit enough in an 80mm shell to do more than singe the paint. Just go with a 120mm smoothbore with a saboted long rod penetrator Hataria, you'll get actual penetration values and a likelihood of killing an NS tank.

I think this would make a far better engineer's vehicle. Designed to devastate fortified structures with Thermite shells.

I think this would make a far better engineer's vehicle. Designed to devastate fortified structures with Thermite shells.

Except Thermite is just acts like a pile of acid on tank armor, if it hits a slope, the stuff would just roll off like water (to a degree).

On dirt and sand, Thermite/Thermate isn't that terrific, it makes slag and glass.

Secondly, there ARE metals that can withstand Thermite, as a thermite welding mold would suggest.

Google:
Thermite weld.
Now click 'video'.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F1CWxryppw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G57MjgAJXWA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VneWsKO58wA

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ROFLCOPTER GOES SOY SOY SOY!

Anyways, this design makes no sense, but then again, neither does its designer.

Except Thermite is just acts like a pile of acid on tank armor, if it hits a slope, the stuff would just roll off like water (to a degree).

On dirt and sand, Thermite/Thermate isn't that terrific, it makes slag and glass.

Secondly, there ARE metals that can withstand Thermite, as a thermite welding mold would suggest.

Google:
Thermite weld.
Now click 'video'.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0F1CWxryppw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G57MjgAJXWA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VneWsKO58wA

Check your TGs since I don't want to spam his thread.

I suggest using Magnesium armor. Magnesium is the third most commonly used structural metal. It is the 8th most common metal in the earth's crust. It will be much cheaper and easier to work with than Titanium and doesn't contain the same problems as Titanium.

Um? Magnesium is far more expensive than titanium, especially since the cost to work with titanium has reduced dozens of times over. Titanium is no longer as expensive as it was a couple of years ago. Furthermore, magnesium doesn't offer the ballistic protection that titanium does (newer titanium alloys come close to the protection of the best steels for armor). Magnesium may be great for Formula 1 wheels, but it's not good for ballistic protection.

Um? Magnesium is far more expensive than titanium, especially since the cost to work with titanium has reduced dozens of times over. Titanium is no longer as expensive as it was a couple of years ago. Furthermore, magnesium doesn't offer the ballistic protection that titanium does (newer titanium alloys come close to the protection of the best steels for armor). Magnesium may be great for Formula 1 wheels, but it's not good for ballistic protection.

Check your TGs.

Um? Magnesium is far more expensive than titanium, especially since the cost to work with titanium has reduced dozens of times over. Titanium is no longer as expensive as it was a couple of years ago. Furthermore, magnesium doesn't offer the ballistic protection that titanium does (newer titanium alloys come close to the protection of the best steels for armor). Magnesium may be great for Formula 1 wheels, but it's not good for ballistic protection.

That's why NS nations have those giant military budgets.
I mean, for nations consistently hitting a yearly military budget in the tens of trillions range, this shouldn't be too much of a problem.

When I tried to produce a tank using magnesium as the main armor, I was told it would catch on fire far to easily.

Unfortunately, that's irrelevant. Titanium is cheaper than magnesium and ballistically superior. There is absolutely no reason to use magnesium as armor.

True 'dat with the superior quality, but as far as cost goes, it's almost a non-issue.

EDIT: RAWR TIME WARP

That's why NS nations have those giant military budgets.
I mean, for nations consistently hitting a yearly military budget in the tens of trillions range, this shouldn't be too much of a problem.

Unfortunately, that's irrelevant. Titanium is cheaper than magnesium and ballistically superior. There is absolutely no reason to use magnesium as armor.

True 'dat with the superior quality, but as far as cost goes, it's almost a non-issue.

EDIT: RAWR TIME WARP

Not necessarily true. You may be able to afford more expensive tanks, but generally you want to buy more of those tanks than you would in real-life. NS nations might have a big budget, but it all balances out in the end. In other words, a nation might be able to afford a $30 million tank, but not 300,000 of them.

Hataria, if you're interested in posting your design, having it criticized, allowing the criticism, learning and making a much better tank, then join the NS Draftroom (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?act=idx). I know that nobody likes to be criticized, but I guarantee you that nobody will put you down on that forum. People who venture there tend to know what they're talking about. And that way your designs are criticized there, as opposed to on the Jolt forums (so your threads can be criticism free).

But, only if you are willing to take the criticism.

Hataria, if you're interested in posting your design, having it criticized, allowing the criticism, learning and making a much better tank, then join the NS Draftroom (http://z4.invisionfree.com/NSDraftroom/index.php?act=idx). I know that nobody likes to be criticized, but I guarantee you that nobody will put you down on that forum. People who venture there tend to know what they're talking about. And that way your designs are criticized there, as opposed to on the Jolt forums (so your threads can be criticism free).

But, only if you are willing to take the criticism.

Wasn't he banned from the Draftroom for plagiarism?

Wasn't he banned from the Draftroom for plagiarism?

That's a different draftroom he's talking about.