NationStates Jolt Archive

From Mr. James R. Wood, High Councilor of Frenzia

Many nations in the world today are involved in conflict. I do not pretend the world is a peaceful place, conflict exists everywhere.There are many nations in the world we fight against and for many different reasons. Some of the more common ones as of late are; Human rights violations, slavery, and terrorism. But lets not forget that sometimes nations fight against themselves in civil wars.There is one thing in common between all these different reasons for conflict. Although it is nearly impossible to eliminate the world of all these evils there is one way we can help keep these events from starting. Who often supports ''evil nations''. Who provides money and weapons to terrorist groups. Who supports rebel uprising against sensible governments. Who does not provide basic rights to their citizens. Who practices slavery. Large, ruling corporations especially but even corporations not in control of the people of a nation. Its wrong to assume all corporations do this because this is not true. One of the aims of this ''alliance'' is to encourage and promote the use of ''good'' corporations. Good corporations are encouraged to join this and by doing so will ensure themselves more business without resorting to shady buisness deals. Listed below are the aims of this alliance.


*A party refers any nation, alliance or corporation.

Point 1

All parties agree to sever all ties with corporations deemed ''evil'' by this alliance.

Point 2

All parties agree to promote the use of corporation deemed ''good'' by this alliance.

Point 3

All parties agree to provide limited economic support to any nation or alliances needing assistance in fighting a corporation both diplomatically and militarily as long as this has been voted on by members.

Point 4

All parties agree to DEFEND any party attacked by a corporation.


Joining Requirements

1) A party must practice basic human rights.

2) A party must not support terrorism.

3) A party must not practice slavery.

4) A party must have a stable government.




Signed Nations and Alliances






''Good'' Corporations

The Soviet Storefront - Nominated by The World Soviet Party, further nominated by Frenzia for keeping heavy weapons from corporations and rejecting slavery. A discount will be given to members of this alliance who use this storefront.

General Resources - Nominated by Leafanistan for strict regulations on the sale of WMDs and the sale of heavy weapons to corporations. A 5% discount will be given to members of this alliance who use this storefront.

Major Dynamics - Nominated by Leafanistan for selling very impractical, almost useless weapons. A 5% discount will be given to members of this alliance who use this storefront.


''Evil'' Corporations

Raven corps - Nominated by Frenzia for selling NBC weapons to young nations, killing innocent kids and raping women and operating Kraven like birthing facilities.

Kraven Corporation - Nominated by many for allowing many human rights abuses, operating birthing facilities and being highly militaristic just to name a few things.

Neucom Incorporated - Nominated by Neo-Erusa for selling WMD's and other weaponry to small militaristic nations.

DMI - Nominated by Leafanistan for not restricting the sale of heavy weapons to corporations.


Any nation who does not wish to join may still nominate corporations for the good or evil categories.

Good Corporation: The Soviet Storefront

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Bad Corporation: Neucom Incorporated

Selling WMD's and other weaponry to small militaristic nations.

OOC: I'm nominating my own corp for bad ^_^

OOC: Thanks for the nominations, keep them coming.You may nominated other storefronts, they don't have to be from your own nation.Also in order for this alliance to get anywhere we actually need people to join (Duh).

IC:

To: The World Soviet Party

We have checked out your nomination and it has been added to the list.We would like to know if your government would like to join this alliance.

To: The Soviet Storefront

Your government has nominated you to be placed on an international list of ''good'' corporations. Our government has evaluated you and added you to this list. The purpose of this list is to promote the use of ''good'' corporations, corporations that practice proper conduct, such as yourself in not selling heavy weapons to corporations and rejecting slavery. We are inviting you to join our alliance and help support us in our fight against ''evil'' corporations. If you do not wish to join you could still assist us by providing a discount to all nations and alliances that are involved in this alliance. You may also donate any surplus equipment.In exchange we would be promoting the use of your corporation.

To: Neo-Erusea

We have added Neucom Incorporated to an international list of ''evil corporations''.We would like to know what your government's stance is when it comes to the export of heavy weapons.

How is it that you have Raven Corps on there with a description including "operating Kraven like birthing facilities" and do not have the Kraven Corporation on the list? Know that I am in no way condemning either the Kraven Corporation or Raven Corps, merely pointing out a logical . . . issue.

Also, I would think that the Soviet Storefront, being state owned, would not count as a corporation, per se; yet again, know that I am in no way attacking TWSP, for whom I have a respect, but merely pointing out something which seems logical.

How is it that you have Raven Corps on there with a description including "operating Kraven like birthing facilities" and do not have the Kraven Corporation on the list? Know that I am in no way condemning either the Kraven Corporation or Raven Corps, merely pointing out a logical . . . issue.

Also, I would think that the Soviet Storefront, being state owned, would not count as a corporation, per se; yet again, know that I am in no way attacking TWSP, for whom I have a respect, but merely pointing out something which seems logical.

Don't you mean illogical? :eek:

IC:

To: The World Soviet Party

We have checked out your nomination and it has been added to the list.We would like to know if your government would like to join this alliance.

To: The Soviet Storefront

Your government has nominated you to be placed on an international list of ''good'' corporations. Our government has evaluated you and added you to this list. The purpose of this list is to promote the use of ''good'' corporations, corporations that practice proper conduct, such as yourself in not selling heavy weapons to corporations and rejecting slavery. We are inviting you to join our alliance and help support us in our fight against ''evil'' corporations. If you do not wish to join you could still assist us by providing a discount to all nations and alliances that are involved in this alliance. You may also donate any surplus equipment.In exchange we would be promoting the use of your corporation.


To: The Anti Corporation Alliance

While we regret being unable to join, we'll gladly provide your members with a discount and donate some of our surplus equipment.

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FROM THE FREE TRADE CONGRESS OF THE CONFEDERATION OF PRAETONIAN INDUSTRY,

The Confederation of Praetonian Industry condemns in the strongest possible terms the ongoing knowing and unknowing propaganda effort to portray collectivist governments opposed to the ideals of free trade and liberalism as "corporations". Notable examples include the "Kraven Corporation" and the "Griffincrest Corporation".

A Corporation is a legal person, which exists within a state. It is owned and controlled by shareholders, who appoint its board of directors. Crucially, a corporation holds no greater civil authority than natural persons, and usually its civil authority is less than that of natural persons. For instance, few if any countries allow corporations to vote. Corporations cannot serve as government ministers or as members of the judiciary.

The alleged "corporations" to which this alliance refer are not only permitted to hold civil authority, but exercise sovereignty over the land in their possession. These entities are in fact not persons but sovereigns, and they are not corporations but states. They do not appear to have shareholders, and in any case the corporations themselves own and control all the institutions of civil power which give shareholder ownership meaning and shareholders themselves the ability to enforce their ownership.

In practise, therefore, these companies do not exhibit the properties of corporations. Not only are they not owned by natural persons, but they exercise sovereignty over them as well as themselves. Where in a free state a corporation would have employees and owners, these "corporations" have only possessions - slaves, in all but name.

Nor should one forget that these "corporations" - to speak with blunt accuracy, these countries - are not even inclined to enact within their own borders policies consistent with being capitalist states. As the "corporation" is both the government and the entire economy, united under common ownership, the economy has been collectivised in the purest sense of the term. The entire productive economy of these states has been united under one owner to form a vast monopoly which is protected from competition from within the "corporation" as well as from foreign lands by the instruments of civil authority that the "corporation" also controls. Their economic system is the same as that desired by socialists and fascists.

So one can see that these entities are not only states, rather than corporations, but they are states that are illiberal, that oppose and destroy where possible the free market and that in doing so undermine the principles of free market liberalism ("capitalism") which they smear by their very existance.

There is no doubting that these entities are vicious, tyrannical constructs. Their unfortunate subjects are held as slaves, with no rights to protect them from the abuse of their government and no ownership over themselves. Their continued existance is something that should cause worry to all Free Peoples, anywhere in the world. But they are not corporations - indeed, they are not even capitalists - and any attempt to portray them as such is thoughtless propaganda that serves only to slander those of us who pursue wealth through the lawful and honest medium of free trade. Their existance should not be held up as an indictment of free trade, but as an indictment of government power. For that is what they are - governments - with far more power than any corporation has ever possessed or desired.


God Save the King.

OOC: Nominating General Resources for Good Corporation because their WMD sales are only allowed for large nations, and is regulated by the Anti-WMD club.

Refuses to sell anything beyond armored cars (no mounted weapons), and small arms to Corporations. A company doesn't require more than a few armored BMWs and MP5s to defend itself. If it does, something is wrong.

Currently this is the parent corporation that runs the Leafanistani Intergrated [sic] Storefront.

Nominating Major Dynamics for good corporation because their weapons are so ridiculous and impractical, that it is detrimental to anyone they sell to, to use them.

Currently runs World's Most Impractical Weapons Storefront.

EDIT: Turns out I did sell to the Clandonian Corporation from Major Dynamics. But I never made the delivery because Clandonia got invaded. I have to watch what they say. I have no idea how I missed, 'Slave collection'.

If nominations are granted, you get a 5% discount at either storefront.

The Tsellian Enterprises would like to point out a mistake regarding the Raven Crops description. Legally, the Kraven contain Raven-like birthing facilities, given that they were the forerunners largely of the Kraven. Hence, it is quite an expensive mistake and action to be claiming that the Kraven created the idea of birthing facilities.

OOC: Leaf, i know your post was OOC but I need to make an IC response.

IC:

To: The World Soviet Party

From: Frenzia

We accept your decision in not wanting to join and we must thank you for your contributions to the alliance.


To: Leafanistan

From: Frenzia

We have reviewed your nominations and have decided to add both corporations to our ''good'' corporations list. We thank you for you discounts. We would also like to offer you the chance to become part of this alliance.

To: THE FREE TRADE CONGRESS OF THE CONFEDERATION OF PRAETONIAN INDUSTRY

From: Frenzia

What I gather from your message is that you are attempting to separate a ''corporation'' from a ''corporation in control of a nation''. I mean no disrespect but where do you get your information. Many corporations in control of nations have stockholders and get profit. While not all do, many do.


To: The Tsellian Enterprises

From: Frenzia

I am aware that Raven corps has been around longer that Kraven but I was under the impression that Raven corps only began the use of birthing facilities recently .If you have intelligence to support otherwise we would greatly appreciate the chance to review it.

Sir,

I believe the intention of the Congress was not to distinguish between a "corporation" and a "corporation in control of a nation," as you put it, but to expose the concept of countries such as the "Kraven Corporation" being corporations at all as simple myth. The point that the Congress was trying to convey was that corporations and governments are not the same - and these alleged corporations express none of the properties of the former, whilst expressing all the properties of the latter.

I hope that this explanation is a help to you in comprehending the letter from the Congress.

Yours,

The Rt. Hon. Lord Farnsdale, JP
Speaker of the Free Trade Congress

To:The Rt. Hon. Lord Farnsdale, JP
Speaker of the Free Trade Congress

From: Frenzia

So the point your trying to make is that a corporations such as ''Kraven'' are really not corporations, they are a form of government. How can this be true when they are earning profit, many have stocks and stock holders. And many started off as corporations not in control of anything.

Sir,

An entity that may pass laws over an area of land is a sovereign, and therefore a government. Stock ownership, where it may be said to exist, has no meaning if the company stock is held is in control of the police and judiciary that would have to take action to enforce the stock ownership. Countries such as Kraven are dictatorships and, although they may be governed jointly by more than one natural person, this only makes them oligarchies rather than autocracies. Whatever they may or may not once have been, as soon as they assumed sovereignty over a landmass and group of people they ceased to be corporations and became governments.

Yours,

The Rt. Hon. Lord Farnsdale, JP
Speaker of the Free Trade Congress

Official Kampferian Response:
To: Mr. James R. Wood, High Councilor of Frenzia
From: John Smith, Kampfers Sec. of Commerce

We in Kampfers are greatly pleased by the aims of this alliance. It is due to this that we wish to join this alliance. We meet all the joining requirements (as long as being a democracy isn't one of them) and wish to help this alliance meet its goals.

Sincerely,
John Smith
Kampfers Secretary of Commerce

TO: Mr. James R. Wood, High Councilor of Frenzia
FROM:The Lone Alliance Council of 20
RE: Anti Evil Corporation Alliance

We fully support your noble goals here. We have witnessed the power of these corporations and we condemn them strongly. We offer ourselves to join.

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^Is Right

^Is Right

OOC: Kraven doesn't sell anything at all. At least Griffencrest actually sells Oil, Gold, other assorted natural resources and consumer goods. The last thing Kraven sold was misery, and that is arguable because he didn't charge.

Also, I like to nominate Macabee's Storefront and DMG's for selling to corporations, repeatedly. How do you think DMG and Macabee ships keep ending up in the hands of the Corporate Alliance?

If this list is intended to be followed through, it eliminates two of my major competitors. Hopefully, this doesn't spawn IC hate because DMG and Macabees are two of my biggest defense contractors.

To:
The Rt. Hon. Lord Farnsdale, JP
Speaker of the Free Trade Congress

From: Frenzia

Our beliefs seem to differ.It is my belief that ''once a corporation, always a corporation.'' Although they gain the title as head of state, they are still corporations at heart, thinking only about profit. With all respect to your king, when he became king, he did not cease to be himself.

To: John Smith, Kampfers Sec. of Commerce

From: Frenzia

Your application is accepted,it is now asked that you assist in nominating corporations for either list.

To: The Lone Alliance Council of 20

From: Frenzia

As long as you meet all requirements to join you are accepted. Please assist by nominating corporations for either list.


OOC: I'll into both corporations after I make this next post.

OOC: Leaf if we're going into evil storefronts we might as well put your Universal Exports in this list as well.

It is a 'for profit' criminal corporation techincally. And it's part of the CA.

Sir,

Your belief is irrational and wrong.

Good day to you,

The Rt. Hon. Lord Farnsdale, JP
Speaker of the Free Trade Congress

Official Address to the Anti ''Evil'' Corporation Alliance

This alliance has only just been created and things are looking good. I hope members will encourage the nations they have relations with to join. We can now begin becoming active on the international scene. For now, nominate corporations for either list and help vote on other nominated corporations. Keep a look out for examples of corporations abusing human rights, supporting terrorists, ect. Before we can make a large impact we need more members.

OOC: Leaf if we're going into evil storefronts we might as well put your Universal Exports in this list as well.

It is a 'for profit' criminal corporation techincally. And it's part of the CA.

Technically, no law enforcement agency has an access code for it. And to everybody else, Universal Exports sells Farm supplies.

DMI Military Industries - Nominated by Leafanistan for not restricting the sale of heavy weapons to corporations.

ooc: It's "DMG Military Industries" (DMI).

ooc: It's "DMG Military Industries" (DMI).

OOC: Thank God you have a sense of humor. But you can put up ads.

"THE STOREFRONT THE MAN DOESN'T WANT YOU TO USE.

DMI"

OOC: DMG, sorry for screwing up your corporation's name, I was quite tired and in a rush at the time. I am aware of the name of your corporation I just wasn't quite focused and made an error.

No prob.

Uh, whatever that means Leaf.

Hm...you know, if you are allowed to nominate "good" companies, I'd like to nominate two Very Good Companies in our borders.

1) Servant Corps. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=522510) Unlike slaves, Servants actually want to work. They get paid well and effectively, and have contracts as well. Our method appeals to nations that want to give up slavery but also wants to have cheap labor. Our company has actually have results: We got Joethesandwhich to stop slavery and convert to servants. We are therefore, humane.

2) UN Weapons (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=522510). Our store promises to donate 10% of all profit to help out UN programs. Our weapons also comply with UN resoluitons and therefore are totally humane. We would like for you to check them out, because it is a pretty good place to buy UN-authorized weapons.

The very premise of this 'alliance' is flawed and it does not seem to have any solid economic and social standards. If you are all actually interested in stemming the tide of corporate abuse in your individual economies and the world at large, then perhaps you should take a look at the International Fair Trade Agreement. IFTA membership has been proven to both fight corporate greed and improve the overall performance of member economies.

Here is the IFTA charter:
http://z1.invisionfree.com/forums/CACE/index.php?showtopic=536

You can apply to take part in IFTA here:
http://z1.invisionfree.com/forums/CACE/index.php?showforum=13

-Kim Hatab,
Collective for Economic Studies
University of Port Bakunin

OOC:

This is what I'm gathering on the subject:

1) The 'Anti-"Evil"-Corporation Alliance' is just another alliance that is to, whether stated or not stated, go against the Corporate Alliance.

2) There really is no structure in the methods of a 'good' corporation.

3) Does selling goods to bad people necessarily make you bad?

4) All of the 'evil' corporations I see are strictly from the Corporate Alliance.

I, for one, believe in free trade to whomever you so choose. You should not be restricted just because one nation is 'evil'. A nation should be able to be run by whatever way they feel is right. We shouldn't judge others for that reason. Take me for example, my nation trades with members of the Corporate Alliance, the Aggressive Defensive Alliance of Nations, the Global Alliance of Sovereign Nations, and many solo nations. What would that make me? Would that make me evil for selling powerful weapons to members of the Corporate Alliance? Well I think not! So what if I sold five, ten, even fifty Stonehenge Class Rail Cannons to Griffencrest? They can be rather good and reliable trade partners regardless of how they run their country.

Corporations can and will do anything to keep their stock up and their share holders confident in their business.

I had to make the decision the other day whether or not to allow a former Corporate Alliance member join my alliance. My thoughts were always, "of course I should let them in. The more the merrier!" Why? Because not all 'evil' corporations are 'evil'. You show disapproval of Kraven Corporation and Griffencrest, but have you even gotten to know them before you declare them 'evil'? Hell, there are enough alliances out there to counter this 'evil' corporate alliance.

Not trying to discourage you. You have my good will towards your new alliance, I just think you should have a broader mind before you narrow it too far. That, my friend, is true sovereignty.

~Chris, Founder of the Aggressive Defensive Alliance of Nations and of Dephire.

To: Neo-Erusea

We have added Neucom Incorporated to an international list of ''evil corporations''.We would like to know what your government's stance is when it comes to the export of heavy weapons.

Neucom Inc has never hesitated to export its heavy weaponry to other nations which have included very small militaristic nations who have promptly used them to declare war, and it has also sold such weaponry to other corporations such as Griffoncrest.

We are against the exportation of heavy weaponry to instable governments and private entities. However we do not interfere in private businesses as it is against our constitution to do so, since it has not brought our nation harm.

Technically, no law enforcement agency has an access code for it. And to everybody else, Universal Exports sells Farm supplies. Pfft, After all the stuff they've been doing UE isn't fooling anyone. But it's no biggie, especially considering they HURT Kraven by selling their weapons.

OOC: I'm going to be gone for a bit, I have to deal with some problems, both inside and outside school. I would recommend signing the ''Free Trade Agreement'', It is much better done than my alliance and had I known it existed I never would have bothered with this. I do, however think they need to work on having the ability to enforce their policy on other nations. The point is, I have no idea when I'm going to be back. I have plans for my nation when I get back, there is going to be a major change.

OOC: I assume that Frenzia means the Fair Trade Agreement:p
Here is the forum link once again:
http://z1.invisionfree.com/forums/CACE/index.php?showforum=13
you can all apply to join right there and the treaty itself is a 'sticky thread' on the forum.

Frenzia, I sincerely hope that your problems are speedily and favorably resolved.
Good luck!

-Eugene