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The Dominion of Terre Nationale wishes to enroll the help of the inventors around the world to help solve a problem with the Nationalist Airforce's information gatherers. The Su-17 Fitter. Their current statistics are as follows:



General Characteristics
Crew: One
Length: 19.03 m (62 ft 5 in)
Wingspan:

Spread: 13.80 m (45 ft 3 in)
Swept: 10.00 m (32 ft 10 in)
Height: 5.13 m (16 ft 10 in)
Wing area:

Spread: 40 m² (431 ft²)
Swept: 37 m² (398 ft²)
Empty weight: 10,767 kg (23,737 lb)
Loaded weight: 16,400 kg (36,155 lb)
Max takeoff weight: 19,500 kg (42,990 lb)
Powerplant: 1× Lyulka AL-21F-3 turbojet
Dry thrust: 76.5 kN (17,200 lbf)
Thrust with afterburner: 111.3 kN (24,950 lbf)
Performance
Maximum speed:
Sea level: 1,400 km/h (870 mph)
Altitude: 1,837 km/h (1,148 mph)
Range:

Combat: 1,150 km (715 mi) in hi-lo-hi attack with 2,000 kg (4,410 lb) warload
Ferry: 2,300 km (1,430 mi)
Service ceiling: 15,200 m (49,870 ft)
Rate of climb: 230 m/s (45,276 ft/min)
Wing loading: 443 kg/m² (90.77 lb/ft²)
Thrust/weight: 0.68


We wish to increase the maxium speed of the Su-17 to 2717 km/h (Mach 2.2). We will do anything to increase the speed of this aircraft. Take away weapons, re-shape the hull, re-fit the engines, change the engines. Everything in this aircraft must be changed, except their must be a ball turret for a camera to be placed.

Addressed most respectfully to The Dominion of Terre Nationale.

Having recieved the request for engineering aid in what appears to be a plan to make a reconnaissance version of the Su-17, The Holy Democracy of The Norlands declines to offer any. We conduct business with capitalist nations only in cases of catastrophe, where we have the opportunity to save lives, regardless of their political standing, or in situation where we might be allied against a common threat. This request appears not to be as a reaction to either of the above, and so we choose not to offer the minds of our engineers to the task you have laid before us. Should we have mistaken your position, and there truly is desperate need for such an aircraft, we would be glad to help, though our engineers do have domestic business to which to attend.

Sincerely, in The Policy of Love,
John Joakim Skillman II
Democratic Overseer of The Holy Democracy of The Norlands
Founder of New Regionia

Addressed most respectfully to The Dominion of Terre Nationale.

Having recieved the request for engineering aid in what appears to be a plan to make a reconnaissance version of the Su-17, The Holy Democracy of The Norlands declines to offer any. We conduct business with capitalist nations only in cases of catastrophe, where we have the opportunity to save lives, regardless of their political standing, or in situation where we might be allied against a common threat. This request appears not to be as a reaction to either of the above, and so we choose not to offer the minds of our engineers to the task you have laid before us. Should we have mistaken your position, and there truly is desperate need for such an aircraft, we would be glad to help, though our engineers do have domestic business to which to attend.

Sincerely, in The Policy of Love,
John Joakim Skillman II
Democratic Overseer of The Holy Democracy of The Norlands
Founder of New Regionia

This aircraft is needed for goverment use. We do find that your goverment, itself, will not help us in our aeronotical needs, but is there some sort of private business that would help re-fit this aircraft. We can not disclose what this aircraft will be used for, though, we do allow you to come to your own conclusion, freely. Our nations needs to re-fit of this plane and will do whatever it takes to obtain said re-fit.

*BUMP*

OOC: Its slow as it is, mach 2.2 would probably need a whole new airframe and engines, therefore it might as well be a completely new aircraft. (unless you attach rockets :P)

{OOC: ROCKET TIME!! :-) Why not just a new engine and some higher-quality material for the airframe?}

To;The Head of Military Forces of Terre Nationale
From:John Aschroft Calizoristan Aeronautics Company,

We have a solution, we offer to remove the Russian engines, and put a GE J-79 in it's place and remove the missile hardpoints, for 500,000 a plane

Sincerly,
John Ashcroft
CAC

Wouldn't this caused the weak airframe to break off in flight if it were put to true test at the speed of Mach 2.2?

OOC:With all due respect, I think RF-4C's would be perfect for what you are doing, IC:we happen to have some RF-4C surplus, if that's what you are looking for.

OOC:With all due respect, I think RF-4C's would be perfect for what you are doing, IC:we happen to have some RF-4C surplus, if that's what you are looking for.

We will accept the RF-4C, and wish to procure five to ten of them.

We have shipped you 10 RF-4Cs, and we over-hauled all ten of them, we put in new avionics, new upgraded engines, and installed a bigger camera hole, if you need bigger cameras. They last came from a unit in March 163 TRG, so when they get there you'll need to re-paint the tail-flash, for it still say's California on the flash.

John Camped
HOMC, and Foregin Arms Sales Department

We have shipped you 10 RF-4Cs, and we over-hauled all ten of them, we put in new avionics, new upgraded engines, and installed a bigger camera hole, if you need bigger cameras. They last came from a unit in March 163 TRG, so when they get there you'll need to re-paint the tail-flash, for it still say's California on the flash.

John Camped
HOMC, and Foregin Arms Sales Department

We thank you, how many hard points are there on this aircraft? And if there are none could we equip several hard point, if so, how many?

4 hard points, on the wing, can carry a 600 gal belly tank leaving the 4 other hard point free, I am asking a former pilot of one I RL, but I think that's how many. Thank you for your buisness.

John Camped
HOMC, FASD

Thank you.

{OOC: Sorry for the crappy posts, watching a movie.}

Are you planning to replace all the Su-17s with the RF-4Cs? I am not asking what you are doing just wondering what you are doing with the Su-17s?

John Atwood
MOD
Calizorinstan

We are maintaing them. But their life expectancy is increasingly minimial.

Okay, the RF-4C's should be flying in shortly to you. They are better Recon planes then then the fitters I think.

"The Workers' Republic of Hallad offers a license to build the Tuk-4 Fitter (http://z13.invisionfree.com/HNAM/index.php?showtopic=53), a domestic upgrade of the Su-7 Fitter, at a discount. We are willing to allow you to build at a price of $700,000 per unit, in your own domestic factories."

Muhsin Qutuz
People's Commissar of Commerce
The Halladi Workers' Republic

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"The Workers' Republic of Hallad offers a license to build the Tuk-4 Fitter (http://z13.invisionfree.com/HNAM/index.php?showtopic=53), a domestic upgrade of the Su-7 Fitter, at a discount. We are willing to allow you to build at a price of $700,000 per unit, in your own domestic factories."

Muhsin Qutuz
People's Commissar of Commerce
The Halladi Workers' Republic

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v15/Belovia/NationsOnline/Hallad2.png

We would purchase such a fine aircraft if you can obtain a maxium speed of more than Mach 2.1.

"For a fee, we are willing to design a variant of the Tuk-4 with an upgraded engine design for your nations use."

Muhsin Qutuz
People's Commissar of Commerce
The Halladi Workers' Republic

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v15/Belovia/NationsOnline/Hallad2.png

Terre,
We don't mind if you want the Tuk-17, but your RF-4Cs have just landed and would you mind flying our pilots back to San Diego, so they can go back to Miramar? Bascilly your RF-4Cs are ready