NationStates Jolt Archive

I have never seen Krendakov as the huge, several billion population, nation that it is now. To me, Krendakov will always be smaller, closer to the population size of Russia (surprise, surprise). However, to role-play that would be asking for trouble. So, in order to allow the role-play of Krendakov as a small, hundred million or so population nation, I present ‘mini-NS’. The idea is that you role-play a more realistic sized version of your own nation, with a more realistic sized economy, army, etc.. Here are some key points that I would like to see in it, but these can be changed and should not be seen as the definitive set of rules.

1) Low populations (<250 million)
2) Realistic economy (Not every nation having a GDP per capita of $40,000)
3) Role-play, not… stat-play
4) Nations of realistic size (No nations the size of Pangaea)
5) World map (realistic size)

So, post your interest and/or ideas here. I’ll just sit back and watch this get ignored/flamed/spammed/whatever. ;-)

Ever heard of A Modern World (AMW)? Because that sounds about right. For a couple of years we've been using a (slightly modified) world map with populations based upon the real territory that nations cover.

Unfortunately Russia is already quite occupied.

Still, thought I'd mention it.

I’ve heard of it, but I’ve never really wanted to get involved with the ‘worlds’ as I want to role-play as Krendakov. It is my aim to role-play in a smaller NS-world, i.e. where nations don’t have billions of people in their nations, so the ‘worlds’ are not the answer to my problem.

You don't have to be a slave to your nationpage. I RP with only a pop. of 1227 million, even though my nation page says that my pop. is 3790 million.

Well, wouldn't Mini-NS as proposed be... a world, of sorts, of its own? World map, nations opt in... yeah, that's a world like the rest.

But as Swilatia says, you can just go ahead and RP a smaller population if you want. Lots of people do. Or you can join a group of other nations doing the same... i.e. join a world that regulates such things.

[shrug]

@ Swilatia
I am aware of that; however, if I use a realistic population of around 180 million, how long do you think till someone decides to invade me? Besides, doing this unilaterally would be pointless (due to the reason above and more), and if I could create a world using realistic populations I could still interact using my large population while also enjoying some small-scale action.

@ Beddgelert
I wouldn’t be using a real-world map, but I suppose you could call it a ‘world’ of sorts if you wanted to. Also, see above.

No-one?

Ever heard of A Modern World (AMW)? Because that sounds about right. For a couple of years we've been using a (slightly modified) world map with populations based upon the real territory that nations cover.

Unfortunately Russia is already quite occupied.

Still, thought I'd mention it.
From what I remember about AMW, it has its own problems related to economic insanity and the lack of realism in terms of military operations. It may be realistic in terms of population and with the whole world map, but that's about it. Logistical problems are ignored and all the countries have committed virtual economic suicide with their immense military expenditures.

Anyways, if you want to limit your population, no one will be stopping you. The only problem I foresee is that you'll be limiting who you're going to be RPing with.

@ Swilatia
I am aware of that; however, if I use a realistic population of around 180 million, how long do you think till someone decides to invade me?
Just fire an ignore cannon at the imperialist in question.

There are plenty of countries out there with far smaller populations than the proposed 180million, some of which have limited technology as well, and, yes, they're fine, especially if they RP well enough to discourage the aggressions of lesser players in the first place.

FCN, AMW was just mentioned because it seemed to be pretty much what the OP was describing. Your criticisms aren't really fair, though. France's attempt to sustain a fortress on the far side of the globe lead to a thrashing there by an Indian fleet that struggled to operate at all and scrapped one of the involved warships immediately after. Yugoslavia has twice tried to unseat Austrian governments and been unable to penetrate as far as Vienna due to pressure on Slovenian and Bulgarian flanks. Dra-pol's renewed assault on the RoK halted when US and allied bombing fractured the spine of its west-coast supply chain. There was almost a disaster when Indian forces were denied Suez access and fears arose for the future of an isolated Libya. In Central Asia... well, I should stop, but you get the idea.

Right. Then what about your crazy disproportionate spending on military? Japan's near-attempt at nationalizing all of its zaibatsu? There's other examples, I'm sure.

You called?

AMW founder the Choson People's Republic of Dra-pol is its top military spender, formerly accounting for more than 30% of GDP in military affairs. The total has since sunk to 20%, and is probably still the world's highest.

Japan has fought... roughly never, and is scared of Dra-pol (a nation quarter its size with a tenth of its economy) due to its inability to defend itself. In fact, Japan in AMW has hardly ever done a thing.

Other than that, well, there's a world war going on. It tends to be the case that, in time of global conflict, nations spend heavily on their defence. France under-went a monarchist restoration, sponsored by the Tulgarian (Benelux) Archduke, as did Spain, Italy, and the Ukraine, where upon France and Spain decided that attacking Gibraltar would be a good idea, especially when followed-up by an attempt to re-capture Europe's African colonies.

Many nations -Japan for most of AMW's history amongst them- are content to watch this go by. Dra-pol is reducing military spending, the Indian Soviet Commonwealth of Beth Gellert recently scrapped its strategic nuclear arm, Spyr and China sit around, barely watching the fight, in fact only Ukraine, Dra-pol, Central-Asian Depkazia, Yugoslavia, Austria, and France amongst half-way significant nations are spending much more than in reality as standard.

I am sorry, Krendakov, for taking up space in your thread, but FCN asked!

I am sorry, Krendakov, for taking up space in your thread, but FCN asked!

Hey, I’m not complaining about a free bump!

But, seriously, is there no-one who likes this idea at all? What about reasons why you’re not interested? Please!

I'd be interested.

Well, at least we might be able to run a small role-play. But before starting anything, any more interest?

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