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As to your question, Black, it's called guilt by association. There's also the fact that intelligence is never perfect. As far as anybody in the Imperium is aware, Kraven and his flunkies represent a nest of slaving vipers. Btw, in case you were wondering, here is the Imperial armada that will be assisting in the assault:

26 Gehenna class Superdreadnaughts
156 Leviathan class Superdreadnaughts
104 Morrigan class Attack Carriers
52 Macha class Carriers
156 Tenchu class Battlecruisers
312 Isabel class class Heavy Cruisers
312 Alexander I Larsen class Guided Missiles Cruisers
312 Sagittaire class Hunter-Killer Cruisers
468 Minotaur class Heavy Destroyers
468 Osiris class Guided Missile Destroyers
468 Morningstar class Hunter-Killer Destroyers
468 Clan Grant class Supply Ships
468 Svaerd class Attack Submarines

Total ships: 3,770

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As to your question, Black, it's called guilt by association. There's also the fact that intelligence is never perfect. As far as anybody in the Imperium is aware, Kraven and his flunkies represent a nest of slaving vipers. Btw, in case you were wondering, here is the Imperial armada that will be assisting in the assault:

26 Gehenna class Superdreadnaughts
156 Leviathan class Superdreadnaughts
104 Morrigan class Attack Carriers
52 Macha class Carriers
156 Tenchu class Battlecruisers
312 Isabel class class Heavy Cruisers
312 Alexander I Larsen class Guided Missiles Cruisers
312 Sagittaire class Hunter-Killer Cruisers
468 Minotaur class Heavy Destroyers
468 Osiris class Guided Missile Destroyers
468 Morningstar class Hunter-Killer Destroyers
468 Clan Grant class Supply Ships
468 Svaerd class Attack Submarines

Total ships: 3,770

....Fuck.

What, you're surprised? I know you were told my navy was as powerful as Questers'. Mind you, I don't have any supercapitals, but that suits my purposes just fine. If you need any stats or have questions, let me know.

Just so y'all know, if TPM uses those little nukes of his I'm going to turn Blackhelm into a depopulated wasteland. The isomer warheads and gas will see to that. You have seen my chemical weapons thread, right?

First of all I am not "TPM" Second of all, TPF does not know/ endorse blackshirt actions, thirdly, GF has nukes and gas, too. Fourthly, don't worry, they are there for last resort. No one has conquered BH before, I dont care if your Draftroom people or not.

First of all I am not "TPM" Second of all, TPF does not know/ endorse blackshirt actions, thirdly, GF has nukes and gas, too. Fourthly, don't worry, they are there for last resort. No one has conquered BH before, I dont care if your Draftroom people or not.

Why do you think the draftroom is some super alliance?

Fine, TPF, my apologies. And while I would love to get into a discussion with you on everything you've listed, I've just been informed by TSS that you weren't invited into this closed RP and unless Blackhelm states you are replacing somebody you have no part in this RP. Good evening.

Sure thing. Sorry.

OOC: TPF, the thread is closed, we agreed with a 5v5 with black, if we were to let more people in, we have brought a total of around ten or so IIRC.

Btw, those ten people are:

Whyatica, Novacom, Scand States, Izistan, and me
vs.
Blackhelm, Kraven, No Taxes, Leafanistan, and Either drexel or toop.

Fine, TPF, my apologies. And while I would love to get into a discussion with you on everything you've listed, I've just been informed by TSS that you weren't invited into this closed RP and unless Blackhelm states you are replacing somebody you have no part in this RP. Good evening.

I was just informed of that, Sorry.

As with the Gronzian campaign, we should pause for Kraven to return.

You realize it would take days if not weeks to do what you guys are doing? Considering the war in space has been like 2 days?

TSS and Whyatica, how many ships do you guys each have?

3x 'Kraken'-Class Siege Dreadnought
18x 'Hyperion'-Class Assualt Dreadnought (ADN)
36x 'Majestic'-Class Trimaran Hyper Carrier (CVAN)
60x Ravager-Class Trimaran Dreadnought (DN)
60x 'Invulnerable'-Class Trimaran Fleet Carrier (CVN)
432x 'Spiritus Dei'-Class Trimaran Heavy Cruiser (CAN)
432x 'Shalrirorchia'-Class Trimaran Guided Missile Cruiser (CGN)
504x 'Comberth'-Class Trimaran Heavy Destroyer (DAN)
504x 'Union'-Class Trimaran Guided Missile Destroyer (DGN)
432x 'Swordfish'-Class Trimaran Guided Missile Frigate (FG)
432x 'Dolphin'-Class Trimaran ASW Frigates (FASW)
360x Jörmungandr-Class Nuclear Attack Submarine (SSN)
144x 'Braach'-Class Nuclear Ballistic Missile Submarines (SSGN)
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3417 x CombatShips
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These fleets are usually accompanied by:

12x Pasteur-class hospital ships (HS)
48x Curie-Class Light Medical Ships (MSL)
120x Endeavour-class Large Combat Transport Ship (CTSA)
120x General Marsden-class AP
120x Gabin-class roll-on/roll-off cargo vessels (RO/RO CV)
120x Quay-class amphibious assault and replenishment vessels (LHR)
120x Smith-class fuel and munitions transport vessels (FATV)
60x Aylesburgh-class submarine tender (ST)
180x Flansburgh-class fleet replenishment vessel (FRV)
60x Peligro-class amphibious assault ship (AAS)
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960x Total Ships
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Air Wing for a Naval Fleet

18x 'Hyperion'-Class Trimaran Assualt Dreadnaught (ADN)-Fighters: 72x F/A-84B; Helicopters: 12x ARV-94Bs, 12x SH-4

36x 'Majestic'-Class Trimaran Hyper Carrier (CVAN)-Fighters: 228x F/A-84B, 30x F-7N1, 30x A-6 60x FB-177A; Helicopters: 12x ARV-94Bs, 12x SH-4; 4x AWACs; 4x Tankers

60x 'Invulnerable'-Class Trimaran Fleet Carrier (CVN)-Fighters: 120x F/A-84B, 18x F-7N1, 18x A-6, 36x FB-177A; Helicopters: 12x ARV-94Bs, 12x SH-4, 2x AWACs, 2x Tankers

60x Ravager-Class Trimaran Dreadnaught (DN)-Fighters: 12x F/A-84B; Helicopters: 12x ARV-94Bs, 8x SH-4

432x 'Spiritus Dei'-Class Trimaran Heavy Cruiser(CAN)-Fighters 4x F-5B; Helicopters: 2x ARV-94Bs, 2x SH-4 (+12)

432x 'Shalrirorchia'-Class Trimaran Guided Missile Cruiser (CGN)-Helicopters: 2x ARV-94Bs, 2x SH-4 (+12)

504x 'Comberth'-Class Trimaran Heavy Destroyer (DAN)-Helicopters: 2 SH-4 (+12)

504x 'Union'-Class Trimaran Guided Missile Destroyer (DGN)-Helicopters: 2 SH-4 (+12)

432x 'Swordfish'-Class Trimaran Guided Missile Frigate (FG)-Helicopters: 1 SH-4 (-24)

432x 'Dolphin'-Class Trimaran ASW Frigates (FASW)-Helicopters: 1x SH-4 (-24)
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Total Fighters: 17,424x F/A-84B, 2160x F-7N1, 2160x A-6GC 1728x F-5B, 4320x FB-177As
Total Helicopters: 3816x ARV-94Bs; 6312x SH-4s
Total Other: 240x EV-22C, 240x Tankers
Total: 38,400x Aerial Assets

NOTES: Braach had been forward deployed to about 7000km outside of your nation, in groups of two with two SSNs as escorts (making that another 144 SSNs)

Aircraft total doesn't include those carried by the assault ship or other logistical ships, which probably add at least another 1000 F-5Bs and 2000 SH-4s.

I would like my missile attack responded to, thanks.

2 x "Hood" class Command Battleship [BBCN]
16 x "Caladan" class Heavy Battleship [BBN]
36 x "Prince of Wales" class Battleship [BBN]
56 x "Battleaxe" class Battlecruiser
72 x "Venture Island" class Fleet Carriers [CVN]
208 x "Southampton" class Armoured Cruiser [CA]
419 x "Emperor Leto" class Guided Missile Cruiser [CGN]
532 x "Legrácio" class Light Cruiser [CL]
511 x "Defender" class Heavy Destroyer [DDN]
601 x "E90" class Frigate [FF]
320 x "Showtime" class Attack Submarine [SSN]
130 x "Nimoy" class Guided Missile Submarine [SSGN]
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2,903 combat ships. Accompanied by approximately 1,000 other ships, ranging from fleet tenders and hospital ships to amphibious assault ships.

Yeah, I'm still waiting on a response to my missile strike. Frankly, I'm starting to get the feeling that my strike is not being responded to because of the damage it will inflict. Tell you what, Black, you have 24 hours to respond before I start moving all of my bombers into strike range and then throwing everything I have at you. Believe me, I've restrained myself up until this point, but this is starting to get annoying.

So is this still going on or what?

Yes it is izistan, post you must! :D

...Plywood planes?


Plywood planes.

A plywood plane would not get off the ground. It wouldn't be able to hold two torpedoes and an antiship missile. Or any countermeasures. Or the heavy and complex engines, or the complex computer system needed for it to fly without a pilot. In short, you fail.

I'd have to concur with Whyatica in regards to this post of yours (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12543069&postcount=41).

Would the plywood frame the aircraft is made out of be able to withstand the speed it travels at? Not to mention, the air friction that would be up against it? The friction would likely cause the airframe to break apart and your plywood jetplane would land...as debris scattered all around an area. What about the chances of the plywood body somehow catching fire from the engine? What about even the durability of the plywood aircraft itself from even a single round from another warplane, never mind an outdated anti-aircraft gun from the World War II era? Would the frame even be able to hold the UAV computer it has well, and would it be cost-effective for service, the effectiveness of it as a weapon, and so on?

Do explain here, cos' I've got a mighty strong feeling that this is either unrealistic to the point of impossibility, or extremely impractical and not cost-worthy to maintain in spite of NS world factors, even though I may not be a designer on NS.

Plywood idea probably comes from de Havilland Mosquito (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Mosquito). But of course I have no knowledge about usability of this in modern aircraft.

Olmedreca;12543866']Plywood idea probably comes from de Havilland Mosquito (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Mosquito). But of course I have no knowledge about usability of this in modern aircraft.
Which is obsolete by RL aerial warfare standards, and by NS aerial warfare standards, Olmedreca.

Olmedreca;12543866']Plywood idea probably comes from de Havilland Mosquito (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/De_Havilland_Mosquito). But of course I have no knowledge about usability of this in modern aircraft.

Used in WW2.

Max takeoff weight of the Mosquito: 25,000lb.
Max takeoff weight of a modern F-22 Raptor: 80,000lb
Max range of the Mosquito: 1,000 nm
Max range of the F-22: 1,700 nm

That's not even saying anything with trying to put modern electronics, weapons etc. on the Mosquito. This entire plan could never work, given that my fleet is still two days steam away from Blackhelm.

Black, I wrote my post like I did because there is literally no way for your aircraft to get into launch range of my fighter-bombers before they launch and turn around. Even MiG-31s armed with R-37s would take six minutes to get into launch range while it would only take my fighter-bombers three minutes from detection to reach the launch point. The fighter-bombers are also faster than the MiG-29 by Mach 1.3 and the MiG-31 by Mach 0.8. In short, when the bombers turn around, it's pretty much impossible for your fighters to catch them.

Mind you, this is assuming the bombers keep coming in according to the mission plan, which they won't sense as a rule of thumb it's generally possible to detect radar emissions from 110% of the radar's maximum detection range. Also, keep in mind I never specified from the coast, I assume they were over the coast, but I wasn't sure so I never specified it. Not that it matters, for the reason I specified above and the fact that your fighters wouldn't survive to launch range (remember, more powerful radars and missiles with a 600km range vs fighters armed with R-27s that have a range of 80km max.)

If I were black, I would simply replace the plywood planes with cheap UAV's that only carry a few missiles each and use them in conjunction with AWACS.

If I were black, I would simply replace the plywood planes with cheap UAV's that only carry a few missiles each and use them in conjunction with AWACS.


You know, you are allowed into the RP now right?

You know, you are allowed into the RP now right?

Yes. The only problem is that I don't really have enough forces to send to make a difference.

Any ships would help.

To tell you the truth, I can send as many ships as I want and I would be slaughtered because the "enemy" forces are very coordinated. The only real chance we have is to combine all allied fleets into a defensive force. Do we have any allied ships remaining? If we don't my ships will just be sent to Davy Jones' locker.

To tell you the truth, I can send as many ships as I want and I would be slaughtered because the "enemy" forces are very coordinated. The only real chance we have is to combine all allied fleets into a defensive force. Do we have any allied ships remaining? If we don't my ships will just be sent to Davy Jones' locker.
I still have my entire Navy unharmed.

Naval forces scaled from Whyatica's stuff.

1x Hood (INV Izistan) super capital.
16 x "Bellerophon" class Heavy Battleship [BBN]
24 x "Valiant" class Battleship [BBN]
50 x "Sonningdale" class Battlecruiser.
100x "Oberon" class Fleet Carriers [CVN]
430 x "Forlorn Hope" class Guided Missile Cruiser [CGN]
500 x "Polaris" class Area Defense Vessel.
400 x "Icelia" class Frigate [FF]
320 x "Kora" class Attack Submarine [SSN]
130 x "Outreach" class Guided Missile Submarine [SSGN]

Some of it is mine, some is Questerian, some is Mekugian. I'll explain the design if its on neither.

*scratches head* Balloons? I know we agreed that your fighters were incapable of reaching my fighter-bombers in time period, much less to stop the launch against your balloons. So, I'm kinda surprised that there are still any balloons left, seeing as how they're pretty much immobile and with all the missiles fired it averages out to over 3 missiles to every balloon. In fact, you still haven't responded to that attack.

Particle beams are far from star trek, try looking a bit harder than tacky tv shows.

http://www.airpower.maxwell.af.mil/airchronicles/aureview/1984/jul-aug/roberds.html

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Particle_beam_weapon

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Particle_beam

Bear in mind it's still being assembled so you have a fair few days to knock it this large fairly vulnerable target out of orbit.

Why do you think the draftroom is some super alliance?

Because almost everyone in SL and CAD hangs out there, and SL+CAD are two of NS's three big alliances?

Neither TSS nor I are SL or CAD. We're NATO.

Whyatica isn't with any alliance, neither is izistan, nor novacom.

Also, Leafanistan, I bet that Whyatica would be much more willing to accept your attack should you actually RP your submarines moving into position. You have four ways to do so. Also, remember, territorial waters in haven are 200km.

1: From the southwest Attempt to by pass the huge Midlonian Navy around his colonies and mainland, while fleeing from Questerian and Aralonian Naval Forces, and moving into position in the waters of the anarchist state of barkozy or off midlonian waters, OR firing from several thousand km out and hope midlonians/questerians don't shoot down the missile, detect your sub and declare war.

2: Move in from the northwest. Attempt to bypass more huge shipping lanes around Krob/Space Union/SS's duchy/state thing/me, allude countless naval patrols from those nations and other Fyre Sea Pact Participants. And fire from the Fyre Sea, which is dense with sonar bouys, patrol submarines and other anti-submarine measures.

These last two and more suicide then anything.

3: Attempt to go through Catalasian waters, move up the Omz Strait, the busiest water way in Haven, past more questerian/velkyan/barkozyian patrols and into firing range

4: Move in from the Haleigh Sea, past SS, ZMI, me, Willink, USSNA, Praetonia, me again, Velkya, and into firing range.

Leaf, you are aware that the ONLY way to have a decent EMP is to airburst nuclear weapon, aye? Therefore, you've just detonated a LOT of nuclear weapons in the air.

And the great part is that from the makeup of the detonated material, (measuring trace superheavy elements and such) we can tell the exact nuclear reactor that produced the material. We'd know the original source of the uranium, the reactor that processed this uranium, everything. And it wouldn't take long to make a strategic response to Leafistan.

Well, define decent. You can get a plenty good EMP effect from a couple conventional EMP bombs using flux compression. Nuclear-derived EMP is only necessary if you want to end high technology in a nation with an air burst or two.