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The ship was designed by Admiral Svyatoslav, the designing of the ship began in 1997 and was completed in 2003. The first units where laid down at Yaroslav shipyard in 2004, Currently there are 3 vessels that have been completed. The average amount of time required for building is 2 years.

She was designed to be a armoured platform to shell coastal tragets, and launched cruise missles from to hit inland targets. The CNV Peter the Great is the pride of the Czechalrussian Naval Fleet.

Known Units in Service:

CNV Czechalrus(Czecharus Navy)
CNV Beowulf (Czecharus Navy)
CNV Peter the Great (Czechalrus Navy)
CNV Bresenchev (Czechalrus Navy)
CNV Chernobyl (Czechalrus Navy)
HMS Issac Brock (Greater Colonies Navy)
HMS Gordon Drummond (Greater Colonies Navy)
HMS Tecumseh (Greater Colonies Navy)
HMS James FitzGibbon (Greater Colonies Navy)
HMS Charles de Salaberry (Greater Colonies Navy)
A.N.S. Peter The Great (SBSL-65) (Asgarnian Navy)
A.N.S. Bacic (SBS-66) (Asgarnian Navy)
A.N.S. Apostle (SBS-67) (Asgarnian Navy)
A.N.S. Walgreen (SBS-68) (Asgarnian Navy)
A.N.S. Grabacr (SBS-69) (Asgarnian Navy)
A.N.S. Tuvalo (SBS-70) (Asgarnian Navy)
A.N.S. Reccuq (SBS-71) (Asgarnian Navy)
A.N.S. Na'akty (SBS-72) (Asgarnian Navy)
A.N.S. McCarran (SBS-73) (Asgarnian Navy)
A.N.S. Nellis (SBS-74) (Asgarnian Navy)
A.N.S. Painted Desert (SBS-75) (Asgarnian Navy)
A.N.S. Michaelangelo (SBS-76) (Asgarnian Navy)
A.N.S. Kipling (SBS-77) (Asgarnian Navy)
A.N.S. Delphi Chronicle (SBS-78) (Asgarnian Navy)
NPLS Czaric (Luchamos Navy)
NPLS Scourge (Luchamos Navy)
NPLS Peotersburg (Luchamos Navy)
NPLS Wannib (Luchamos Navy)
NPLS Chilistic (Luchamos Navy)
R.C.S Descanso (Calizorinstan Navy)
R.C.S Mira Mesa (Calizorinstan Navy)
R.C.S Warsaw (Calizorinstan Navy)
R.C.S Alamo (Calizorinstan Navy)
R.C.S Norton (Calizorinstan Navy)
R.C.S General Patton (Calizorinstan Navy)
R.C.S General Eugene (Calizorinstan Navy)
PSN Zvezda (Czechalrus Federation Navy)
PSN Chernobyl (Czechalrus Federation Navy)

Conflicts Involved: Vetakan Swan Rebellion

Complement: 2,432 Crewmen, 480 Officers, 25 Pilots and Ground Crew

Displacement: 745,000 tons(standard), 780,523 tons(normal), 840,001 tons (full load)

Dimensions: 520 meters (Length), 78.5 meters(Beam), 10.4 meters(Draught)

Powerplant: 4 Nechnav TM1887 Nuclear Reactors
4 Nechnav 1900 kilowatt diesel generators (600,000 shp)

Aircraft: 1 Ka-32

Armour: 1,540mm (Turrets), 980mm (Belt), 807mm (Bulkheads), 499mm(Decks)

Range: As far as it can go with its supply of food for the sailors.

Armament: 8 x 50cm Main Guns(2 x 2), 6 x 25cm Secondary Guns (1 x 1), 2 135mm Guns (1 x 1), 8 x AK-630 hex Gatling 30mm/L60 PD Guns (1 x 1), 100 x S-400, 10 x 3M82 Moskit Launchers (2 x 2), 14 x SS-N-14 Silex ASW Cruise Missiles, 50 x OSA-MA (SA-N-4 Gecko)s, 4 x RBU-12000 (Udav-1) 254mm ASW Rocket Launchers

Radar and Sonar Systems: 2 x Voskhod MR-800, Fregat MR-710,4 × Palm Frond navigation radars, Jaw LF hull sonar, Horse Tail VDS


Speed: 42 knots (designed), 35 knots (cruising)

Price: $57,000,000,000

OOC: Its a WIP so feel free to make suggestions.

*Updated*

OOC: Is it for sale?

Yes it is, but I haven't come up with a price yet.

(OOC: Wonderful!)

To: Czechalrus
From: Asgarnieu
Subject: Purchase

We wish to purchase 2 ships, at whatever price you finally arrive at. We have one minor request, however. We ask that instead of the 50cm Main Guns, you build them in the 25-Inch variant; the standard of all larger battleships of the Asgarnian Naval Forces.

We thank you for considering our requests.

(OOC: Wonderful!)

To: Czechalrus
From: Asgarnieu
Subject: Purchase

We wish to purchase 2 ships, at whatever price you finally arrive at. We have one minor request, however. We ask that instead of the 50cm Main Guns, you build them in the 25-Inch variant; the standard of all larger battleships of the Asgarnian Naval Forces.

We thank you for considering our requests.

To: Asgarnieu
From: Czechalrus
Subject: Purchase.

Yes we can change the guns, we can also change any of the weaponry on the ship. We will begin construction on your vessels now and the total for your order is $6,000,000,000. The vessels will be completed with in 1-2 NS Years. May we ask the names you wish to give to the vessels?

Thank you for ordering from us.

(OOC:
500mm guns? O_o
The largest gun I can think of off the top of my head was something like 325mm...and it was originally designed to test bombs.
This thing must have some pretty serious ballast of some sort to keep it from doing a barrel roll when it fires all of its guns...
Or is that an intended design feature? Barrel rolls to deflect damage? ;) )

(OOC:
500mm guns? O_o
The largest gun I can think of off the top of my head was something like 325mm...and it was originally designed to test bombs.
This thing must have some pretty serious ballast of some sort to keep it from doing a barrel roll when it fires all of its guns...
Or is that an intended design feature? Barrel rolls to deflect damage? ;) )

OOC: 500mm is only 19.7 inches. Compared to other NS battleships, it fits in decently enough, I think.

We would like to purchase five of these vessels. They will be named the BCN James Connolly, BCN Bobby Sands, BCN Kevin Barry, BCN Martin McGuiness, and the BCN Patrick Pearse.

The money is en route.

Also, if it is possible, the Confederate government would like to hire your services for a task.

OOC: 500mm is only 19.7 inches. Compared to other NS battleships, it fits in decently enough, I think.

Yeah, I was going to use 300mm guns at first, but then I saw the other ships using larger caliber guns so I changed the design.

OOC: 500mm is only 19.7 inches. Compared to other NS battleships, it fits in decently enough, I think.

Yeah, I was going to use 300mm guns at first, but then I saw the other ships using larger caliber guns so I changed the design.

(OOC:
Eh, just giving my opinion. Mostly its a size issue, I think. This ship seems rather thin for its length, since (as far as I've seen) most ~800 foot battleships come out to about 110 feet in width, and this one is 'only' 120-ish.
Unless the main guns are rather low velocity, that is...)

OOC: The NS Draftroom (http://z13.invisionfree.com/The_NS_Draftroom/index.php?act=idx) might be able to offer some commentary on this vessel and assist in any refinements to the design, Czechalrus. Perhaps you might find the NS Draftroom helpful.

OOC: The NS Draftroom (http://z13.invisionfree.com/The_NS_Draftroom/index.php?act=idx) might be able to offer some commentary on this vessel and assist in any refinements to the design, Czechalrus. Perhaps you might find the NS Draftroom helpful.

OOC: Alright thanks for the information.

It seems fairly good, to me. On the guns I'd say that, well, yes, 300mm or 325mm would have been terribly small for a battleship... that's what, twelve or thirteen inches? Fine in 1905 or something. But then if you only want to use it for coastal bombardment and not for ship-to-ship warfare maybe the smaller guns would be okay.

If Czechalrus and the Indian Soviet Commonwealth of Beth Gellert end up as allies -over the whole Mer des Ennuis thing- the Soviets will probably come out and suggest the use of sub-calibre rounds to enhance reach. (India's Utopia Class battleships have 16" guns that also launch 11" rounds to a range of 80km, a warhead weight comparable to a Tomahawk cruise missile's warhead, and as they travel so much faster they make better penetrators, and are generally used for bombardment from a safer range.)

I'm not sure about it, but I find the way you've described the gun layout a little confusing. 8 primary guns in a 2x2 layout? Doesn't that make for 4 guns? Shouldn't it be 4x2 (or 2x4, I can never remember which way that's worked!)? Similar for the secondary batteries.

I'm also inclined to see the secondary guns as a little large at near 10", but it's a pretty big ship so maybe that's okay.

OCC: Yep, Most NS battleships have anywhere from 18-27 inch guns.

To: Czechalrus
From: Fallible Foreign Affairs

To support our on going good-will missions the Federation of Fallible would like to purchase one of these ships to be used as a flagship promoting freedom among all Nations.
That said there are some minor changes we would like made. As this ship will be used for non-combat missions we wish to have all weapons removed from it.
The total sum of $3,000,000,000 will be wired upon confirmation.

ooc: Nice..I would considering purchasing one but seeing as I am a MT-PMT nation battleships are entirely obsolete..I can have more firepower with greater range and accuracy on a missile cruiser/frigate or a submarine..however if i was a pre-modern tech nation then I would consider this as a beefed up heavy cruiser role for my navy since most other NS battleships could blow it out of the water.

Looks like Bismarck to me. Still, not bad.

ooc: Nice..I would considering purchasing one but seeing as I am a MT-PMT nation battleships are entirely obsolete..I can have more firepower with greater range and accuracy on a missile cruiser/frigate or a submarine..however if i was a pre-modern tech nation then I would consider this as a beefed up heavy cruiser role for my navy since most other NS battleships could blow it out of the water.


[*snickers* Oh, I love opinions like this. Dude, are you even aware of the fact that most DNs and SDs hold thousands of missiles? As it is, I doubt a frigate is capable of carrying enough missiles to put a hole in an DN or SD.]

It seems fairly good, to me. On the guns I'd say that, well, yes, 300mm or 325mm would have been terribly small for a battleship... that's what, twelve or thirteen inches? Fine in 1905 or something. But then if you only want to use it for coastal bombardment and not for ship-to-ship warfare maybe the smaller guns would be okay.

If Czechalrus and the Indian Soviet Commonwealth of Beth Gellert end up as allies -over the whole Mer des Ennuis thing- the Soviets will probably come out and suggest the use of sub-calibre rounds to enhance reach. (India's Utopia Class battleships have 16" guns that also launch 11" rounds to a range of 80km, a warhead weight comparable to a Tomahawk cruise missile's warhead, and as they travel so much faster they make better penetrators, and are generally used for bombardment from a safer range.)

I'm not sure about it, but I find the way you've described the gun layout a little confusing. 8 primary guns in a 2x2 layout? Doesn't that make for 4 guns? Shouldn't it be 4x2 (or 2x4, I can never remember which way that's worked!)? Similar for the secondary batteries.

I'm also inclined to see the secondary guns as a little large at near 10", but it's a pretty big ship so maybe that's okay.

It would be awesome if our government where allies, and the gun layout 2 x 2 means there is two guns per turret.

OCC: Yep, Most NS battleships have anywhere from 18-27 inch guns.

Yeah, so I didn't god mod it.

To: Czechalrus
From: Fallible Foreign Affairs

To support our on going good-will missions the Federation of Fallible would like to purchase one of these ships to be used as a flagship promoting freedom among all Nations.
That said there are some minor changes we would like made. As this ship will be used for non-combat missions we wish to have all weapons removed from it.
The total sum of $3,000,000,000 will be wired upon confirmation.

Your order has been confirmed, you ship will be built with out weapons as you requested. You ship will arrive within 1-2 NS Years. May we ask what you wish to name the vessel.

ooc: Nice..I would considering purchasing one but seeing as I am a MT-PMT nation battleships are entirely obsolete..I can have more firepower with greater range and accuracy on a missile cruiser/frigate or a submarine..however if i was a pre-modern tech nation then I would consider this as a beefed up heavy cruiser role for my navy since most other NS battleships could blow it out of the water.

Alright sounds good.

Looks like Bismarck to me. Still, not bad.

Yeah, I based it off the Bismark Class Battleships.

OOC: I'll name it later, when I think of one.

Czech, please don't take this the wrong way, but did you draw all of that or did you copy it off another drawing somewhere? I'm just interested because if its the former you have some serious talent.

Czech, please don't take this the wrong way, but did you draw all of that or did you copy it off another drawing somewhere? I'm just interested because if its the former you have some serious talent.

Nope, this is original done by me in mspaint. here is the black and white drawing, and thanks for the compliment.

http://img258.imageshack.us/img258/1305/peterthegreatjo2.png

Nice. I did something similar with this (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k250/IJNYamamoto/Kure/HMSAgincourt.png), though this is based off the Stalingrad, not the Bismarck (They are similar, however.)

I tihnk your armour belt needs to be a little lower though.

Do you have a lineartinc account?

Nice. I did something similar with this (http://i90.photobucket.com/albums/k250/IJNYamamoto/Kure/HMSAgincourt.png), though this is based off the Stalingrad, not the Bismarck (They are similar, however.)

I tihnk your armour belt needs to be a little lower though.

Do you have a lineartinc account?

Wow, thats nice. Yeah I was going to post it in the NS Draft room so they could help me change the info on it to make it better but it won't let me. I think I might have a lineartinc account I'm not quite sure.

ooc: the battleship became obsolete as soon as aircraft carriers came about thats already a proven fact thus why modern navies have maybe one or two battleships actually I don't think any modern navy still uses battleships since the last Iowa class ones were decomissioned and the only purpose a battleship would have now would be to provide shore bombardment for amphibious landings..thus why again I would use this design as a heavy cruiser or naval bombardment platform thats all it could be used practically for in a modern navy

ooc: the battleship became obsolete as soon as aircraft carriers came about thats already a proven fact thus why modern navies have maybe one or two battleships actually I don't think any modern navy still uses battleships since the last Iowa class ones were decommissioned and the only purpose a battleship would have now would be to provide shore bombardment for amphibious landings..thus why again I would use this design as a heavy cruiser or naval bombardment platform thats all it could be used practically for in a modern navy


[The battleship IRL became obsolete because it had no way to defend against jet aircraft. The only battleships lost to air action during WWII lacked escorts. The USN never lost any battleships at sea because they were properly escorted. Furthermore, a single NS battleship has more offensive and defensive weapons than a USN battlegroup and would quite easily eat the entire USN for lunch and ask for seconds. For future reference, don't bring RL examples into NS because they have no relevance to the tactical and strategic paradigm.

Btw, your continued misuse of the term heavy cruiser exposes your ignorance on naval matters. Learn what something actually is before using it.]

That picture is very good. As Questers said, you should sign up on LineartInc (http://z13.invisionfree.com/LineartInc/index.php?).

heavy cruisers etc were initially developed because of restrictions placed on battle ships under some treaty..forgot the name...and were essentially stripped down pre-battleships themselves although you could say early Ironclads were "cruisers" as well... and if you want to get really technical the term cruiser originally didn't even stand for a class of ship it was the mission of a ship......and sorry but NS isn't RL so I could really care less about what a NS battleship could or couldn't do because no such craft will ever exist..of course I know people here are obviously going to use them but still..and yes very excellent pic


Gatawan Arms Industries

Upon further review we would like to purchase twelve of these craft to compliment our coastal patrol fleet

[QUOTE=Gataway;12490923]heavy cruisers etc were initially developed because of restrictions placed on battle ships under some treaty..forgot the name...and were essentially stripped down pre-battleships themselves although you could say early Ironclads were "cruisers" as well... and if you want to get really technical the term cruiser originally didn't even stand for a class of ship it was the mission of a ship......and sorry but NS isn't RL so I could really care less about what a NS battleship could or couldn't do because no such craft will ever exist..of course I know people here are obviously going to use them but still..and yes very excellent pic

OCC: Yes but if you want to last two second is NS, you better use its tech.

ooc: depends on who you rp with their are actually a lot of people who use RL vehicles etc etc because they don't feel like having to go through the process of developing something for NS then having it critiqued because it doesn't meet RL possible specs..kinda ironic to me but oh well..I use MT or PMT designs that are being developed currently but not fully operational and I just integrate them together or I just slightly tweak rl specs on vehicles and it all works out fine for me.

ooc: depends on who you rp with their are actually a lot of people who use RL vehicles etc etc because they don't feel like having to go through the process of developing something for NS then having it critiqued because it doesn't meet RL possible specs..kinda ironic to me but oh well..I use MT or PMT designs that are being developed currently but not fully operational and I just integrate them together or I just slightly tweak rl specs on vehicles and it all works out fine for me.

OCC: All I am saying is, you put a Nimitz class carrier against one of my Battleships, and it will lose, as long as its escorted, put it against an SD or SC, and I don't need escorts.

true..I have NS designs too obviously I have to or else I would be very limited on my rping

heavy cruisers etc were initially developed because of restrictions placed on battle ships under some treaty..forgot the name...and were essentially stripped down pre-battleships themselves although you could say early Ironclads were "cruisers" as well... and if you want to get really technical the term cruiser originally didn't even stand for a class of ship it was the mission of a ship......and sorry but NS isn't RL so I could really care less about what a NS battleship could or couldn't do because no such craft will ever exist..of course I know people here are obviously going to use them but still..and yes very excellent pic


Gatawan Arms Industries

Upon further review we would like to purchase twelve of these craft to compliment our coastal patrol fleet

*Order Confirmed* Full shipment will arrive within 4-5 NS Years.

heavy cruisers etc were initially developed because of restrictions placed on battle ships under some treaty..forgot the name...and were essentially stripped down pre-battleships themselves although you could say early Ironclads were "cruisers" as well... and if you want to get really technical the term cruiser originally didn't even stand for a class of ship it was the mission of a ship......and sorry but NS isn't RL so I could really care less about what a NS battleship could or couldn't do because no such craft will ever exist..of course I know people here are obviously going to use them but still..and yes very excellent pic


[The stripped down battleships you're thinking of are called battlecruisers, not heavy cruisers. Heavy cruisers were cruisers armed with 8" guns and substantially more armour than light cruisers, which were armed with 6" guns and had only enough armour to stop 6" guns and no more. The treaty you're thinking of is the Washington treaty, which defined all ship types and placed limits on them for all signatory nations; light cruisers were "Type B" cruisers and heavy cruisers were "Type A" cruisers (the former being alloted more tonnage than the latter), battlecruisers were considered capital ships and came under the same restriction as battleships, while carriers weren't even limited because nobody was really sure if they would even pan out as anything more than scout ships.]

We'll have to pursue relations in the MdE thread, then, Czech.

I still don't quite get the 2x2 thing. I can't see how that would be much use. 4x2 would indicate four turrets each mounting two guns, but 2x2 certainly indicates not just two guns but two sets of two guns, doesn't it? Am I losing it? 2x2 just doesn't make sense to me, logically.

None of this changes a thing about the design, it's just one of those little niggles that bothers me =)

He means 2x2 fore and 2x2 aft. Thats the same setup followed for the secondaries I believe.

Nice design and amazing pic. And I will order


IC:
To: Czechalrus
From: NPL

We wish to purchase 5 ships. We feel they will be a great addition to our naval forces.

NPL Chief of the Sea Samuel Jorgensen

OCC: 2nd
[The battleship IRL The only battleships lost to air action during WWII lacked escorts. The USN never lost any battleships at sea because they were properly escorted.


I think battleships have their place in NS, but as a history freak I feel the need to speak. The Iowa Class Battleships were actually used as Air defense for carriers and never engaged a surface ship, so needed escorts? Tha Japanese Yamato and Musashi did not engage one allied ship during the war. The carriers during WWII were essentially wasted resources that could have been a carrier, tank, destroyer, etc.

Just saying I agree Battleships with NS modern technology would be a great assest to a fleet if escorted well, but WWII isnt what I'd use as an example of why. [/HISTORY NERD RANT]

The Armed Republic of Kampfers will purchase 5 of these ferocious ships.
In return, perhaps you will look at our wares under the Kampferian Naval Emporium.

Sincerely,
General Jorg Klischten
Supreme Commander, Kampferian Armed Forces

To: Asgarnieu
From: Czechalrus
Subject: Purchase.

Yes we can change the guns, we can also change any of the weaponry on the ship. We will begin construction on your vessels now and the total for your order is $6,000,000,000. The vessels will be completed with in 1-2 NS Years. May we ask the names you wish to give to the vessels?

Thank you for ordering from us.

Good. We will take another two ships for another $6,000,000,000.00 USD, with the modifications the same as on the first two.

We wish to name them as the list follows:

Asgarnian Peter-class Super Battleship

Ship 1: A.N.S. Peter The Great (SBSL-65)
Ship 2: A.N.S. Bacic (SBS-66)
Ship 3: A.N.S. Apostle (SBS-67)
Ship 3: A.N.S. Walgreen (SBS-68)

We thank you for catering to our needs. We wish to include a 10,000,000,000.00 USD tip for your services. Please keep up your good work.

Good. We will take another two ships for another $6,000,000,000.00 USD, with the modifications the same as on the first two.

We wish to name them as the list follows:

Asgarnian Peter-class Super Battleship

Ship 1: A.N.S. Peter The Great (SBSL-65)
Ship 2: A.N.S. Bacic (SBS-66)
Ship 3: A.N.S. Apostle (SBS-67)
Ship 3: A.N.S. Walgreen (SBS-68)

We thank you for catering to our needs. We wish to include a 10,000,000,000.00 USD tip for your services. Please keep up your good work.

*Order Confirmed* Thank you for your generosity, you vessels will arrive in 1 NS Year.

OOC: Looks interesting, although given my current war switching BB types is something for the future.;) Might it be modified to include 650mm torp tubes for Vodopad, Shkval, RKP-55/555 &c? Oh, and what about it's radars and sonars? I think I see what looks like a Kirov's fit already but I'm not sure. Anyway, I have a few ideas for your shipyards thread for ships to escort this; since I'd be buying as part of a fleet refit/replacement scheme when I do.
Also, here's (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=522785) the RP I was mentioning, an Earth I'd been cooking up that I think you might like. Still interested in a vice-modship?:) Thanks for considering prior.

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y156/Cuffion/SAF122.jpg

The Dominion of Sendersdale and Greater Colonies
From the office of the Minister of National Defence

To:
Czechalrus

The Senderlian Armed Forces would like to purchase 5 Peter the Great Battleships for our Sea Command (SEACOM)

HMS Issac Brock
HMS Gordon Drummond
HMS Tecumseh
HMS James FitzGibbon
HMS Charles de Salaberry

The total sum of these ships is $12,000,000,000 USD. The money will be wired upon comfirmation of the order. If any concerns regarding the purchase of these ships arrive, please inform me or an aide in my department. We hope to hear from you soon.

Signed,

Peter McKay
Caeser R. Cufzer, PC, KC, MP
Minister of National Defense
The Dominion of Sendersdale

OOC: Looks interesting, although given my current war switching BB types is something for the future.;) Might it be modified to include 650mm torp tubes for Vodopad, Shkval, RKP-55/555 &c? Oh, and what about it's radars and sonars? I think I see what looks like a Kirov's fit already but I'm not sure. Anyway, I have a few ideas for your shipyards thread for ships to escort this; since I'd be buying as part of a fleet refit/replacement scheme when I do.
Also, here's (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=522785) the RP I was mentioning, an Earth I'd been cooking up that I think you might like. Still interested in a vice-modship?:) Thanks for considering prior.

For your first question, yes I might modify it for such purposes. For your second question the Radar/Sonar it uses Voskhod MR-800, Fregat MR-710, and 4 × Palm Frond navigation radars. For Sonar it uses Horse Jaw LF hull sonar, and Horse Tail VDS. Thanks for the link also, and yes I cam still interested in a vice-modship. Thanks!



http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y156/Cuffion/SAF122.jpg

The Dominion of Sendersdale and Greater Colonies
From the office of the Minister of National Defence

To:
Czechalrus

The Senderlian Armed Forces would like to purchase 5 Peter the Great Battleships for our Sea Command (SEACOM)

HMS Issac Brock
HMS Gordon Drummond
HMS Tecumseh
HMS James FitzGibbon
HMS Charles de Salaberry

The total sum of these ships is $12,000,000,000 USD. The money will be wired upon comfirmation of the order. If any concerns regarding the purchase of these ships arrive, please inform me or an aide in my department. We hope to hear from you soon.

Signed,

Peter McKay
Caeser R. Cufzer, PC, KC, MP
Minister of National Defense
The Dominion of Sendersdale

*Order Confirmed* Your Vessels will be completed and delivered within 2-4 NS Years.

[QUOTE=Czechalrus;12501825]For your first question, yes I might modify it for such purposes. For your second question the Radar/Sonar it uses Voskhod MR-800, Fregat MR-710, and 4 × Palm Frond navigation radars. For Sonar it uses Horse Jaw LF hull sonar, and Horse Tail VDS. Thanks for the link also, and yes I cam still interested in a vice-modship. Thanks!





*SNIP*
No problem, although I'd urge you to drop by and make a land claim then (Maybe Ukraine and Moldova? They're still open...;)), that way I can nominate you for the vote against Candistan (for a while we were wondering if you'd drop by, leaving us without a Vice Mod until Candistan entered the poll). Again, you still have a chance so hop on in. Even if you don't get the vice-modship after all, I still need somebody to help me push for NS tech to be allowed even with RL populations, of course.:D

[QUOTE=Czechalrus;12501825]For your first question, yes I might modify it for such purposes. For your second question the Radar/Sonar it uses Voskhod MR-800, Fregat MR-710, and 4 × Palm Frond navigation radars. For Sonar it uses Horse Jaw LF hull sonar, and Horse Tail VDS. Thanks for the link also, and yes I cam still interested in a vice-modship. Thanks!





*SNIP*
No problem, although I'd urge you to drop by and make a land claim then (Maybe Ukraine and Moldova? They're still open...;)), that way I can nominate you for the vote against Candistan (for a while we were wondering if you'd drop by, leaving us without a Vice Mod until Candistan entered the poll). Again, you still have a chance so hop on in. Even if you don't get the vice-modship after all, I still need somebody to help me push for NS tech to be allowed even with RL populations, of course.:D

Cool, I stopped by and tried to make a claim. I guess we'll see how it goes.

[QUOTE=Wagdog;12501861]

Cool, I stopped by and tried to make a claim. I guess we'll see how it goes.
OOC
Well, I approved you; the map won't update for a while, but you're in AFAIK.:) But yes, you're in; and I'll provide what aid I can as a small Pacific nation with some interesting if unbalanced capabilities (see my factbook later), since Candistan is leading a fascist "Union of The Russias" and will almost certainly look your way. I'm notably pushing for NS tech to be allowed so you can grace ESS with your work, since I figure it could make things more creative still.:D
Also, I might as well mention this here since these designs relate to this ship, but I've been thinking about two types of "battle escorts" that should complement Peter the Great well. By the time these were drawn up (again, no rush), my existing surface fleet will be ready for replacement and I could order a Peter the Great in better conscience than I could now with battleships of my own design just entering service. These would all be multipurpose combatants, with equally-balanced AAW/ASW/ASuW capabilities appropriate to size and mission; the larger combatant being well into the "large cruiser" range, and the smaller being a sort of "large destroyer" to match. Here are my conceptual specs, using what looked like your standard at first for the defaults (you may of course correct me if I mistake certain systems):

Yekaterina II Velikaya CBN: "Sovietized Hipper" layout, tonnage appropriate to specs; 8 x 250mm (4 x 2), 6 x 135mm (6x1), Moskit/Klub/Oniks (appropriate load for tonnage and missile type selected by customer), S-400F or equivalents (appropriate load for tonnage), RIM-116 RAM or equivalents (appropriate load for tonnage and missile type selected by customer), 6 x ZPU-44 or equivalents (customer's choice), 4 x Udav-1, 4 x 650mm submerged TT with appropriate munitions (including 533mm with tube liners), 1 aircraft; armor to resist 283mm weapons from large cruisers/pocket battleships, speed to match or slightly exceed Peter the Great (plus appropriate nuclear and conventional powerplants to achieve this; a Kirov's should work fine I think), and the same sensor fit as Peter the Great plus Tomb Stone radar for S-400F guidance (or customer-chosen equivalents for other sensor/missile types).

Sissoi Velikiy DBN: "Sovietized Spähkreuzer 40" layout, tonnage appropriate to specs; 6x135mm (6x2), 4x50mm (4x1), Moskit/Klub (appropriate load for tonnage and customer choice), Kinzhal or equivalent (appropriate load for tonnage and customer choice), RIM-116 RAM or equivalent (appropriate load for tonnage and customer choice) 4 x ZPU-44 or equivalents (customer choice), 3 x Udav-1, 4 x 650mm submerged TT with appropriate munitions (including 533mm with tube liners), 1 aircraft; armor to resist 152mm weapons of light cruisers or similar "large destroyers", speed to match or somewhat exceed Peter the Great (plus sufficient nuclear and other powerplants to achieve this; I suggest looking up the Pr.11990 Anchar DDN as a guide first, since this vessel is a heavier warship for the same mission profile), and a similar sensor fit to Admiral Chabanenko/Udaloy II-class vessels.

With these in your storefront, players and their countries should be ordering these and your other ships like mad. You'll have truly arrived as the "Official GUSN shipyard" or whatnot. BTW, I'm nearing done on the HESH round for the 3A46N I promised, so you should see something about it soon (it'll be based on the Arjun 120mm HESH round, suitably modified for Russian-style bores and autoloaders). Cheers!:)

OCC: Hmmm, miss my order? Oh well, I'll name them this time.

IC:
To: Czechalrus
From: NPL

We wish to purchase 5 ships. We feel they will be a great addition to our naval forces.

NPLS Czaric
NPLS Scourge
NPLS Peotersburg
NPLS Wannib
NPLS Chilistic

@3 bil each, 15 bil wired upon confirmation.

Signed
NPL Chief of the Sea Samuel Jorgensen

[QUOTE=Czechalrus;12502285]
OOC
Well, I approved you; the map won't update for a while, but you're in AFAIK.:) But yes, you're in; and I'll provide what aid I can as a small Pacific nation with some interesting if unbalanced capabilities (see my factbook later), since Candistan is leading a fascist "Union of The Russias" and will almost certainly look your way. I'm notably pushing for NS tech to be allowed so you can grace ESS with your work, since I figure it could make things more creative still.:D
Also, I might as well mention this here since these designs relate to this ship, but I've been thinking about two types of "battle escorts" that should complement Peter the Great well. By the time these were drawn up (again, no rush), my existing surface fleet will be ready for replacement and I could order a Peter the Great in better conscience than I could now with battleships of my own design just entering service. These would all be multipurpose combatants, with equally-balanced AAW/ASW/ASuW capabilities appropriate to size and mission; the larger combatant being well into the "large cruiser" range, and the smaller being a sort of "large destroyer" to match. Here are my conceptual specs, using what looked like your standard at first for the defaults (you may of course correct me if I mistake certain systems):

Yekaterina II Velikaya CBN: "Sovietized Hipper" layout, tonnage appropriate to specs; 8 x 250mm (4 x 2), 6 x 135mm (6x1), Moskit/Klub/Oniks (appropriate load for tonnage and missile type selected by customer), S-400F or equivalents (appropriate load for tonnage), RIM-116 RAM or equivalents (appropriate load for tonnage and missile type selected by customer), 6 x ZPU-44 or equivalents (customer's choice), 4 x Udav-1, 4 x 650mm submerged TT with appropriate munitions (including 533mm with tube liners), 1 aircraft; armor to resist 283mm weapons from large cruisers/pocket battleships, speed to match or slightly exceed Peter the Great (plus appropriate nuclear and conventional powerplants to achieve this; a Kirov's should work fine I think), and the same sensor fit as Peter the Great plus Tomb Stone radar for S-400F guidance (or customer-chosen equivalents for other sensor/missile types).

Sissoi Velikiy DBN: "Sovietized Spähkreuzer 40" layout, tonnage appropriate to specs; 6x135mm (6x2), 4x50mm (4x1), Moskit/Klub (appropriate load for tonnage and customer choice), Kinzhal or equivalent (appropriate load for tonnage and customer choice), RIM-116 RAM or equivalent (appropriate load for tonnage and customer choice) 4 x ZPU-44 or equivalents (customer choice), 3 x Udav-1, 4 x 650mm submerged TT with appropriate munitions (including 533mm with tube liners), 1 aircraft; armor to resist 152mm weapons of light cruisers or similar "large destroyers", speed to match or somewhat exceed Peter the Great (plus sufficient nuclear and other powerplants to achieve this; I suggest looking up the Pr.11990 Anchar DDN as a guide first, since this vessel is a heavier warship for the same mission profile), and a similar sensor fit to Admiral Chabanenko/Udaloy II-class vessels.

With these in your storefront, players and their countries should be ordering these and your other ships like mad. You'll have truly arrived as the "Official GUSN shipyard" or whatnot. BTW, I'm nearing done on the HESH round for the 3A46N I promised, so you should see something about it soon (it'll be based on the Arjun 120mm HESH round, suitably modified for Russian-style bores and autoloaders). Cheers!:)

Wonderful stuff, I'm glad to hear the HESH round is almost done. Those vessels like very powerful as well!

OCC: Hmmm, miss my order? Oh well, I'll name them this time.

IC:
To: Czechalrus
From: NPL

We wish to purchase 5 ships. We feel they will be a great addition to our naval forces.

NPLS Czaric
NPLS Scourge
NPLS Peotersburg
NPLS Wannib
NPLS Chilistic

@3 bil each, 15 bil wired upon confirmation.

Signed
NPL Chief of the Sea Samuel Jorgensen

*Order Confirmed* The Vessels will arrive within 2-4 NS Years.

We wish for our 5 Battleships, when they are completed to be named:
1.R.C.S Descanso
2.R.C.S Mira Mesa
3.R.C.S Warsaw
4.R.C.S Alamo
5.R.C.S Norton

When they are completed that list above shows which names we want.

HMC
John Camped

We wish for our 5 Battleships, when they are completed to be named:
1.R.C.S Descanso
2.R.C.S Mira Mesa
3.R.C.S Warsaw
4.R.C.S Alamo
5.R.C.S Norton

When they are completed that list above shows which names we want.

HMC
John Camped

Alright, adding to list now.

Greetings. We do not mean to burden your facilites, but we wish to purchase a total of 10 more Peter-class Super Battleships with our afformentioned modifications.

Names:

A.N.S. Grabacr (SBS-69)
A.N.S. Tuvalo (SBS-70)
A.N.S. Reccuq (SBS-71)
A.N.S. Na'akty (SBS-72)
A.N.S. McCarran (SBS-73)
A.N.S. Nellis (SBS-74)
A.N.S. Painted Desert (SBS-75)
A.N.S. Michaelangelo (SBS-76)
A.N.S. Kipling (SBS-77)
A.N.S. Delphi Chronicle (SBS-78)

TOTAL: $30,000,000,000.00 USD

Also, we would like to contract your shipyards to build a semi-universal stealth frigate and semi-universal non-stealth destroyer. We pay very well, and if you are interested, we will give you the specifications.

Thank you for your extended generosity and time. We are wiring a $10,000,000,000.00 USD tip for your services.

Greetings. We do not mean to burden your facilites, but we wish to purchase a total of 10 more Peter-class Super Battleships with our afformentioned modifications.

Names:

A.N.S. Grabacr (SBS-69)
A.N.S. Tuvalo (SBS-70)
A.N.S. Reccuq (SBS-71)
A.N.S. Na'akty (SBS-72)
A.N.S. McCarran (SBS-73)
A.N.S. Nellis (SBS-74)
A.N.S. Painted Desert (SBS-75)
A.N.S. Michaelangelo (SBS-76)
A.N.S. Kipling (SBS-77)
A.N.S. Delphi Chronicle (SBS-78)

TOTAL: $30,000,000,000.00 USD

Also, we would like to contract your shipyards to build a semi-universal stealth frigate and semi-universal non-stealth destroyer. We pay very well, and if you are interested, we will give you the specifications.

Thank you for your extended generosity and time. We are wiring a $10,000,000,000.00 USD tip for your services.

Not a burden at all, we can transfer the building to other shipyards besides Yaroslav. We are interested in your contract for such a destroyer and would be grateful to produce it for you. We cannot thank you enough for your generous tip. Your vessels will be completed and delivered within 2-5 NS Years.

OOC: I realized the price tag was too small for a vessel of this size so any orders after this go by that price, sorry I try to aim for realism.

Liberty Steel Works offer
We at LSW would like to inform you that we can produce sixty of these vessels monthly (Lay them down) if your dockyards are overwhelmed, we only charge the production fee times 0.5.

Liberty Steel Works offer
We at LSW would like to inform you that we can produce sixty of these vessels monthly (Lay them down) if your dockyards are overwhelmed, we only charge the production fee times 0.5.

Yes this would be very helpful, we have 5 ships that are currently on hold because of the large orders. Would you wish to finish them?

We will assume that you are not doing the semi-universal stealth frigate.

None-the-less, we have the specifications for our destroyer:

Armament:
-At least 1 8-Inch Gun
-Harpoon/Exocet Missiles
-VLS System
-324mm Torpedo Tubes
-Mine launcher
-Chaff dispenser
-At least 2 Phalanx Mk.16 Refit 35mm CIWS

Dimensions:
-At least 250 yards long

Features:
-Hangar to fit at least one Bell 212ASW or similar
-Over-the-horizon radar systems
-Sonar systems
-GPS Guidance
-Aegis (or better) fire-control systems
-Quadruple-redundancy survivability systems
-High endurance


If your shipyards are able to produce a destroyer to these standards, we will purchase 500, and will pay very well to have them.

Feel free to add in anything we missed, if your shipyards feel it should be there.

Please include lineart of the vessel.

Thank you for your interest.

Yes this would be very helpful, we have 5 ships that are currently on hold because of the large orders. Would you wish to finish them?

LSW Reply
Of Course. Each ship will take roughly 265 days to complete.

( This is slightly faster than RL, I believe.)

We wish to order 2 additional battleships, we have wired you the 100 bill in money, the ships names are:

R.C.S General Patton
R.C.S General Eugene.

If you need any help filling orders our shipyards are welcome to help, just a 2% tax and that's it!

John Camped
R.C.N

We will assume that you are not doing the semi-universal stealth frigate.

None-the-less, we have the specifications for our destroyer:

Armament:
-At least 1 8-Inch Gun
-Harpoon/Exocet Missiles
-VLS System
-324mm Torpedo Tubes
-Mine launcher
-Chaff dispenser
-At least 2 Phalanx Mk.16 Refit 35mm CIWS

Dimensions:
-At least 250 yards long

Features:
-Hangar to fit at least one Bell 212ASW or similar
-Over-the-horizon radar systems
-Sonar systems
-GPS Guidance
-Aegis (or better) fire-control systems
-Quadruple-redundancy survivability systems
-High endurance


If your shipyards are able to produce a destroyer to these standards, we will purchase 500, and will pay very well to have them.

Feel free to add in anything we missed, if your shipyards feel it should be there.

Please include lineart of the vessel.

Thank you for your interest.

We will produce such vessels as currently a new shipyard is being constructed, also of course we will include lineart. Thank you for your business.

LSW Reply
Of Course. Each ship will take roughly 265 days to complete.

( This is slightly faster than RL, I believe.)

Thank you very much, we will send the hulls to your shipyards.

OOC: Isn't 1 NS Day 1 RL Hour?

We wish to order 2 additional battleships, we have wired you the 100 bill in money, the ships names are:

R.C.S General Patton
R.C.S General Eugene.

If you need any help filling orders our shipyards are welcome to help, just a 2% tax and that's it!

John Camped
R.C.N

*Order Confirmed* Your Vessels will be delivered within 2 NS Years. Thank you for you offer, we will contact you if help if required.

For beginning productions, we are wiring $25,000,000,000.00 USD to relieve production costs.

Thank you.

For beginning productions, we are wiring $25,000,000,000.00 USD to relieve production costs.

Thank you.

Many thanks from our nation, these funds will be used to construct another shipyard.

OOC: 700-800K tonnes now? WHOA!:eek::confused: Granted, I've read the (now dead) LineartInc thread where it was advised you go 400K or over (*grumbles about the projected "Ultra Yamato/Omi" class with 8x508mm and armor to match only weighing in around 100K...*), but why twice even that? 400-500K should be plenty for all this given the modest guns for its weight, unless of course all the armor (sufficient to resist Gustav fire, I've noticed...:D) is the reason why overall displacement ballooned in the first place...

OOC: Sorry to double post, but since the carrier's done I figure the time has come. On second thought, if 800K tonnes means this thing is as pwnz0r as Tri Svyatitelya, I can live with that displacement. Especially once my modifications are made, he he he...:D
IC
To Whom It May Concern at Yaroslav Shipyard in the Socialist Catholic Republic of Czechalrus,
We would be most happy to order 20 large battleships to this proud design, under the following names...

BBBN-1 UWS Admiral Levchenko
BBBN-2 UWS Marshal Zhukov
BBBN-3 UWS Marshal Dehuai
BBBN-4 UWS Marshal Timoshenko
BBBN-5 UWS Admiral Kuznetsov
BBBN-6 UWS Admiral Gorshkov
BBBN-7 UWS Comandante Guevara
BBBN-8 UWS General Cintra
BBBN-9 UWS Marshal Budyenniy
BBBN-10 UWS Marshal Voroshilov
BBBN-11 UWS Admiral Yumashev
BBBN-12 UWS Admiral Basisty
BBBN-13 UWS Admiral Kucherov
BBBN-14 UWS Admiral Zozulya
BBBN-15 UWS Admiral Golovko
BBBN-16 UWS Admiral Isakov
BBBN-17 UWS Admiral Oktyabrskiy
BBBN-18 UWS Admiral Tributs
BBBN-19 UWS Admiral Altfater
BBBN-20 UWS Admiral Papanin

And with the following modifications: Addition of six 650mm torpedo tubes below the waterline, upgrade of main guns to eight Vetakan-pattern 635mm/25" L/50 in four twin turrets, replacement of OSA-MA with Kinzhal and addition of radars for this if needed, replacement of AK-630 with CADS-1 Kashtan, and replacement of SS-N-14 Silex with P-800 Oniks/Yakhont. So modified, the imbalance between the default design's gun and armor can be addressed without undue changes to the fundamentals involved. This vessel is truly powerful, a testament to your nation's naval engineering, and we should like to see the imperialists just try to have their way when our examples of it are present in a confrontation! Of course, for this to be the case, money in the sum of $1.14 Trillion USD stands ready for wiring (from a defense budget of some $5.33 trillion rounded-down, after accounting for currency conversion from Fiats to Dollars) upon order confirmation.

Sincerely in Comradeship
Mario Iliescu
Party Secretary, Wagdoggie Noble Revolutionary Party
Secretary of Defense, United Socialist States of Wagdog

OOC: Sorry to double post, but since the carrier's done I figure the time has come. On second thought, if 800K tonnes means this thing is as pwnz0r as Tri Svyatitelya, I can live with that displacement. Especially once my modifications are made, he he he...:D
IC
To Whom It May Concern at Yaroslav Shipyard in the Socialist Catholic Republic of Czechalrus,
We would be most happy to order 20 large battleships to this proud design, under the following names...

BBBN-1 UWS Admiral Levchenko
BBBN-2 UWS Marshal Zhukov
BBBN-3 UWS Marshal Dehuai
BBBN-4 UWS Marshal Timoshenko
BBBN-5 UWS Admiral Kuznetsov
BBBN-6 UWS Admiral Gorshkov
BBBN-7 UWS Comandante Guevara
BBBN-8 UWS General Cintra
BBBN-9 UWS Marshal Budyenniy
BBBN-10 UWS Marshal Voroshilov
BBBN-11 UWS Admiral Yumashev
BBBN-12 UWS Admiral Basisty
BBBN-13 UWS Admiral Kucherov
BBBN-14 UWS Admiral Zozulya
BBBN-15 UWS Admiral Golovko
BBBN-16 UWS Admiral Isakov
BBBN-17 UWS Admiral Oktyabrskiy
BBBN-18 UWS Admiral Tributs
BBBN-19 UWS Admiral Altfater
BBBN-20 UWS Admiral Papanin

And with the following modifications: Addition of six 650mm torpedo tubes below the waterline, upgrade of main guns to eight Vetakan-pattern 635mm/25" L/50 in four twin turrets, replacement of OSA-MA with Kinzhal and addition of radars for this if needed, replacement of AK-630 with CADS-1 Kashtan, and replacement of SS-N-14 Silex with P-800 Oniks/Yakhont. So modified, the imbalance between the default design's gun and armor can be addressed without undue changes to the fundamentals involved. This vessel is truly powerful, a testament to your nation's naval engineering, and we should like to see the imperialists just try to have their way when our examples of it are present in a confrontation! Of course, for this to be the case, money in the sum of $1.14 Trillion USD stands ready for wiring (from a defense budget of some $5.33 trillion rounded-down, after accounting for currency conversion from Fiats to Dollars) upon order confirmation.

Sincerely in Comradeship
Mario Iliescu
Party Secretary, Wagdoggie Noble Revolutionary Party
Secretary of Defense, United Socialist States of Wagdog

Order confirmed comrade your vessels will arrive in 1-2 NS years., I'll post the names later I'm kind of tired right now. Thanks. :)

Order confirmed comrade your vessels will arrive in 1-2 NS years., I'll post the names later I'm kind of tired right now. Thanks. :)
OOC: Very welcome, for this ship is most l33t (pwns any Ajax or such I've seen, and stands well against the Duke or suchlike baby-SDs), and a fine work of art in the bargain.:cool: I'm about to turn in too, so by all means rest well.

OOC: Very welcome, for this ship is most l33t (pwns any Ajax or such I've seen, and stands well against the Duke or suchlike baby-SDs), and a fine work of art in the bargain.:cool: I'm about to turn in too, so by all means rest well.

Thanks for the compliments about my vessel, has it been tested in any conflicts yet. Later :)

Thanks for the compliments about my vessel, has it been tested in any conflicts yet. Later :)
'Night, and I might just be able to test it out depending on how badly my upcoming plan makes the enemy want to sue for peace after it hits. At very least, these ships should make the hostile-kibitzers I keep hearing rumblings about seriously think twice about crossing me at sea in my running conflict.

'Night, and I might just be able to test it out depending on how badly my upcoming plan makes the enemy want to sue for peace after it hits. At very least, these ships should make the hostile-kibitzers I keep hearing rumblings about seriously think twice about crossing me at sea in my running conflict.

Awesome, makes me proud to know how good my vessels are.

OOC: Im trying to diversify my Naval Surface Fleet as much as possible ive already purchased 12 Ajax now I was 12 Peter the Great :D

IC:

Official Dominion of Vetaka Diplomatic Message:

To: Czechalrus Shipyards
From: Vetakan Defence Force (VDF) High Command

Subject: Naval Acquirement

The Vetakan Defence Force is always looking to increase its standing Surface Naval Fleet we are also committed to building a Naval Force that is diversified and has the latest in Naval Technology & Standards from around the world. We believe this will allow Vetaka to have a Powerful Naval Force that has the capapcity to respond to any situation anywhere in the world on the Modern Battlefield as a result we would like to place a provisional order of:

- 12 Peter the Great Class Battleships

We now wire the relavent funds into your designated accounts we hope to hear from you soon.

Yours VDF Supreme Operational Command Jonathon Stone

OOC: Im trying to diversify my Naval Surface Fleet as much as possible ive already purchased 12 Ajax now I was 12 Peter the Great :D

IC:

Official Dominion of Vetaka Diplomatic Message:

To: Czechalrus Shipyards
From: Vetakan Defence Force (VDF) High Command

Subject: Naval Acquirement

The Vetakan Defence Force is always looking to increase its standing Surface Naval Fleet we are also committed to building a Naval Force that is diversified and has the latest in Naval Technology & Standards from around the world. We believe this will allow Vetaka to have a Powerful Naval Force that has the capapcity to respond to any situation anywhere in the world on the Modern Battlefield as a result we would like to place a provisional order of:

- 12 Peter the Great Class Battleships

We now wire the relavent funds into your designated accounts we hope to hear from you soon.

Yours VDF Supreme Operational Command Jonathon Stone

Many thanks, your order has been confirmed and your vessels will arrive with in 1-2 NS years. Thank you for your business.

OOC: sorry it took me so long to respond.

Calizorinstan has just tested the Peter the Great class battleship in combat, it preformed very well, taking out several enemy destroyers, about 3-4 of them, and that caused the rest to defect. We are very pleased with this ship.

Bob Atwood
Minister of the Navy
Calizorinstan

We are glad to hear of The Peter the Great's performance, we are glad you are happy with your purchase.