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SCENE: USS Romeoville
Admiral George Haroldson stood on the bridge of the USS Romeoville. This was the fifth time that the 2nd HAVOC Naval Fleet would be used for a diplomatic mission of this magnatude. Although it wasn't as big of a deal as the Krenoich Nuclear Disaster of roughly 21 years ago but still, each diplomatic mission had it's own unique properties. Haroldson stared out the window of his carrier, waiting for the Pelicans to return with the deligates from each nations wishing to come to these peace talks.

He had the state rooms al put up in a dignified manner for the deligation. Each of the 20 guests rooms were made up to look like a luxury hotel, although the standard cooridors of the aircraft carrier made you remember that this was no luxury hotel. It was, in reality, a naval vessel of the Shazbotdom Navy.

*BUMP*

*BUMP*

OOC:
I've been busy all morning. Just got back from work so i'll work on RPing the Pelicans arriving at the carrier her soon. I won't worry about RPing them picking up the deligations from the different places. I just need to grab my laptop to check a few things. Also the fact that I kinda lost my USB Key doesn't really help the situation either...

SCENE: USS Romeoville
Admiral Haroldson looked out the front windows of the bridge and noticed the pelicans off in the distance. He then walked from the front of the bridge towards the back where he stopped and looked at the live video feed that was comming from SpySat 45. It showed the Pelicans on approach and from what he could tell, there were not aircraft of foreign origin tailing them as far as 50kilometers, which was good. He then walked over to the Communications consol amd picked up the intership com and dialed up the rest of the fleet on a secure channel.

"This is Haroldson. Ready Anti-Aircraft guns just in case any aircraft of foreign origin is hiding in the wake of the Pelicans. If there is, the Pelicans will be notified and they will divert to a low altitude between the ships so we can take out any hostile forces." He then dialed up the Pelican flight group on a secure channel. "Prepare for immediate landing procedures. Head around to Approach Vector Alpha Zulu Three Five Nine. Over?"

"This is Pelican 2241. We hear you Admiral. Moving to Approach Vector Alpha Zulu Three Five Nine. ETA To landing 2.5 Minutes. Over?"

"Rodger that 2241. This is the Romeoville. Over and Out."

He then watched as the Pelicans veared out towards the stern of the fleet...

SCENE: Rear Area, Pelican 2243
Sergent Jensen stood up and strapped himself to the bar that ran down the middle of the rear troop transport area and walked to the rear of the compartment. The back end of the compartment was the hatch that opened up for loading and unloading. He then turned and looked at the Deligate from Servants Corps.

"Make sure your strapped in. The hatch is going to open so I can check behind the ship for any enemies."

He then pulled out two more straps and attached them to either side of him on the upper corners of the Pelican and pushed a button. A red police-style light activated itself and started to rotate, shining a red glow around the back compartment of the Pelican as the hatch slowly opened up. A split came down the middle of the hatch horizontally as the bottom folded down and the top folded up, opening to show the sea behind the Pelican with some of the ships of the fleet comming into view. Amoung some of these ships were the Masterson, the Wittenburg, the Pride, the Nickles, the Jefferson and the Crookston.

Jensen then grabbed the XR-07 which was modified and suspended from the cieling of the Pelican for rear protection and he scanned the horizon behind the Pelican with his view.

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Senerios like this were occuring throughout the flight group of Pelicans bound for the USS Romeoville. Marines designated to protect the Pelicans were staring out the back of them holding modified XR-07 which were suspended from the inner hull of the Pelicans watching the horizon for any abnormal signs.


2 Minutes Later
SCENE: Flight deck of the USS Romeoville
The ranking deck officer watched as the Pelicans prepared for their final approach and turned to approach the Romeoville from the rear. As they flew over the flight deck they kicked into hover mode and slowly dropped down to the flight deck, landing gear down and touching down gentally.

Marines then jumped out of the Pelicans holding step stools that they then placed down to make it easier for the Deligates to exit the Pelicans. The Engines of the Pelicans shut down as a slinkey man was walking across the flight deck. The Deligates were then hurried off away from the pelicans, which they all had landed in a perfect circle, over towards the flight tower. The unknown man then approached the Deligates and introduced himself.

"I am Admiral George Haroldson. Welcome aboard the Romeoville. The talks will begin at 14:00 hours so I suggest that you make your way to the state rooms assigned to you and take a break. you must have jet lag from the trip here."

When the first mention of peace talks had come up, Major Sturm had voiced the overwhelming opinion within his troops when he "wrote" to the Supreme Commander and asked whether he should simply strike into JTS territory while the various leaders were out talking things over. It sounded like a winning plan of action, but SC Sundin erred on the side of caution - he rightly pointed out that it would do no favours for the already-disliked McPsychovillian units there. True, he didn't particularly care what the popular opinion of his Armed Forces was, but from a strategic standpoint keeping some form of relations would at least help in the long-run. He also advised the Major that attending the peace talks would not be a bad idea; as he himself said "I will not order you into somewhere if we do not hold an advantage there, but I believe this might help".

So, the Major conceded the point. He was fairly sure nobody realising he would be attending the talks, but that was a moot point nonetheless - he would be travelling in an Eagle C-19 transport helicopter, one of the few the Fourth Unit was supported by and something that was clearly devoid of weaponry. Surely, he rationalised, they wouldn't be fired upon if something was obviously unarmed.

Would they?

We, the Balkan Peoples, are fully prepared for the peace talks.

OOC: We doing this thing now then?

OOC:
When the first mention of peace talks had come up, Major Sturm had voiced the overwhelming opinion within his troops when he "wrote" to the Supreme Commander and asked whether he should simply strike into JTS territory while the various leaders were out talking things over. It sounded like a winning plan of action, but SC Sundin erred on the side of caution - he rightly pointed out that it would do no favours for the already-disliked McPsychovillian units there. True, he didn't particularly care what the popular opinion of his Armed Forces was, but from a strategic standpoint keeping some form of relations would at least help in the long-run. He also advised the Major that attending the peace talks would not be a bad idea; as he himself said "I will not order you into somewhere if we do not hold an advantage there, but I believe this might help".

So, the Major conceded the point. He was fairly sure nobody realising he would be attending the talks, but that was a moot point nonetheless - he would be travelling in an Eagle C-19 transport helicopter, one of the few the Fourth Unit was supported by and something that was clearly devoid of weaponry. Surely, he rationalised, they wouldn't be fired upon if something was obviously unarmed.

Would they?

I've already stated in the other threads that my aircraft carrier cannot have any more aircraft than it's normal deployment of Pelicans, Garrisons and Thunderbolts. Your deligation came on a pelican. We picked your deligation up and brought them to the USS Romeoville.

We, the Balkan Peoples, are fully prepared for the peace talks.

OOC: We doing this thing now then?

We can start now. I can fast forward to the talks as soon as everyone posts in the thread. The Pelican with your deligation has already landed, thats what my last post was.

I've already stated in the other threads that my aircraft carrier cannot have any more aircraft than it's normal deployment of Pelicans, Garrisons and Thunderbolts. Your deligation came on a pelican. We picked your deligation up and brought them to the USS Romeoville.

[Our delegates flew in on an unarmed helicopter simply because that is the only possible way a safe trip would be guaranteed. As a rule, McPsychovillian soldiers are not trusting people; even going to the talks is a concession for the Major. Are you really going to complain about size issues?]

[Our delegates flew in on an unarmed helicopter simply because that is the only possible way a safe trip would be guaranteed. As a rule, McPsychovillian soldiers are not trusting people; even going to the talks is a concession for the Major. Are you really going to complain about size issues?]

OOC:
Unless you want to rope repel your deligate down onto the flight deck, be my guest. The Helo will NOT be allowed to land. There is simply not enough room on any of the carriers in my fleet. And no military personell from any nation (except my own) with weapons will be allowed on the carrier.

OOC:
Unless you want to rope repel your deligate down onto the flight deck, be my guest. The Helo will NOT be allowed to land. There is simply not enough room on any of the carriers in my fleet. And no military personell from any nation (except my own) with weapons will be allowed on the carrier.

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With the news that the Eagle helicopter had just received - that they would simply not be allowed to land on the carrier - Major Sturm was understandably annoyed. Not quite so annoyed as to order a military strike, Sturm ordered the helicopter to keep going as he opened up the small computer on his lap.

To: Admiral G. Haroldson of the USS Romeoville
From: Major M. Sturm
RE: Peace Talks and your involvement

We have just been informed that our helicopter, the one containing our delegates to the peace talks, will be denied landing access. If I may simplify the situation we have here, you have offered the two sides fighting here a choice between negotiation or you wading in and trying to kill everyone, and then expect all the delegates to walk into an environment where nobody but you has weaponry. But wait, there's more, the delegates aren't even allowed to take their own transportation. now let's simplify our response - the C-19 is coming in. You can pout and say "no not letting you land", but then this will taken as an insult, for obvious reasons, and we will simply go ahead with our already-mentioned Plan B. Maybe you want to get involved in the fighting, in which be our guest. However, if we do not attend the talks, they can effectively go spit for the conclusion will have been reached without our input and thus will be probably be ignored. If they are indeed ignored, it will probably cause more death than otherwise.

Thusly, allowing us entry into the talks could well subvert the death of many JTS and Maldorian soldiers. Just something for you to chew over.

Love and hugs,
Major Marc Sturm of the McPsychovillian Armed Forces

OOC:
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Reported for spamming my thread...

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With the news that the Eagle helicopter had just received - that they would simply not be allowed to land on the carrier - Major Sturm was understandably annoyed. Not quite so annoyed as to order a military strike, Sturm ordered the helicopter to keep going as he opened up the small computer on his lap.

To: Admiral G. Haroldson of the USS Romeoville
From: Major M. Sturm
RE: Peace Talks and your involvement

We have just been informed that our helicopter, the one containing our delegates to the peace talks, will be denied landing access. If I may simplify the situation we have here, you have offered the two sides fighting here a choice between negotiation or you wading in and trying to kill everyone, and then expect all the delegates to walk into an environment where nobody but you has weaponry. But wait, there's more, the delegates aren't even allowed to take their own transportation. now let's simplify our response - the C-19 is coming in. You can pout and say "no not letting you land", but then this will taken as an insult, for obvious reasons, and we will simply go ahead with our already-mentioned Plan B. Maybe you want to get involved in the fighting, in which be our guest. However, if we do not attend the talks, they can effectively go spit for the conclusion will have been reached without our input and thus will be probably be ignored. If they are indeed ignored, it will probably cause more death than otherwise.

Thusly, allowing us entry into the talks could well subvert the death of many JTS and Maldorian soldiers. Just something for you to chew over.

Love and hugs,
Major Marc Sturm of the McPsychovillian Armed Forces

NAVAL TRANSMISSION
TO: Major Marc Sturm, McPsychovillian Armed Forces
FROM: Admiral George Haroldson, CO 2nd HAVOC Naval Fleet

Our decision to not allow your aircraft to land is not that of us just trying to piss you off. It's due to the fact that we have no room for said aircraft. Now you have to make a choice from two different options.

1. Turn around and head home.
2. Hover over the flight deck and repel your deligation down for the peace talks.

Either way it will spare my ship and crew the stress of trying to land an aircraft that we do not have the room for. The choice is yours and yours alone.

As the Nationalist Delegate exited the aeronotical craft which he was forced to indulge for a few minutes, he was sickened at rocking of the large aircraft carrier. The Delegate was, by the very definition, a land loving bastard, the tossing and turning of the ship, however delecate, put the Delegate on the edge of spewing his guts. He hid this from the rest of the humans aboard the ship by walking, calmy, cooly, and even in a straight line. He forced himself to not allow any amount of mosture to escape his pores. As his self-consicousness lingered, and strayed toward the outer reaches of his mind, the other Pelicans, carring similiar delegates, such as himself, towards the ship.

SCENE: Flight Deck of the USS Romeoville
Admiral Haroldson held out his hand to the Nationalist Deligate as a sign of good faith.


SCENE: Bridge of the USS Romeoville
The radar had picked up a blip on the radar. The McPsychoville helecopter was approaching the carrier. AA guns stood ready as Captain Kendrick kept glancing between the radar blip and the front window. The Nation of McPsychoville had been given their options, and now it would be seen if they took Option 1 or Option 2....

start afer 9:00

start afer 9:00

OOC:
You can't just say "Start After 9:00" and not tell us what time it is there currently when you type that message. Or we don't know when 9:00 is for you or how long it will be till it is 9:00 there.

The Diplomat for Servant Corps get off his Pelican, wearing his business suit, thinking of it as a business deal.

He's fearful that the deal might go through. The company is just new, and he wants to get a trade agreement with JTS as soon as possible. If it fails, the Servant Corps would suffer a great defeat and lose lots of profits. If the talks succeds, then money would be pouring through...

Let hope everything goes fine...

start afer 9:00

OOC: When is 9:00? I'm in Serbia so I'm on Central European time (GMT+1), and I'm pretty sure everyone else is scattered all over.

Either way, if you're in Europe somewhere, you'd have to start a while after 9:00 if you want to do this tomorrow, I have to work in the day and then I'm going out in the evening, so start at 2300 (whatever time that is).

The Nationalist Deligate smiled and extended his hand politely, in response to the jesture, solidifing its motion as an act of good will between the two people, and, even more pronouncly, their goverments.

Let the peace talks begin.

I'll let someoneone else start it off because im multi tasking right now

Let the peace talks begin.

I'll let someoneone else start it off because im multi tasking right now

OOC:
You can't just demand that the peace talks start when everyone hasn't announced that they are here. Thats poor RPing Etiquette.

Originally Posted by Joethesandwich View Post
Let the peace talks begin.

I'll let someoneone else start it off because im multi tasking right now
OOC:
You can't just demand that the peace talks start when everyone hasn't announced that they are here. Thats poor RPing Etiquette.


I thought evryone was here.
sorry

I was involved with this conflict before the peace talks even started.

{OOC: Don't spam this thread, you weren't truely 'involved' enough to be sent a request to these peace talks. So, please, leave.}

who else has to arvie before we start?

I was involved with this conflict before the peace talks even started.

OOC:
Those involved in the actual threats and trying to finish the threats are allowed. All you said was you'd send people or some crap like that. I already OKed all the people to come to the talks and your not on the list so please, exit my thread now.

OOC: I have no idea how my delegate got here, but I assume he came on some form of transportation with the others.

The Honako delegate, loveable Marcus Holland, deputy head of Foreign Affairs Commission, in true Honakon style - fell over upon leaving the landing craft. Lying face down on the floor he pondered why he was here considering that Honako had made its 'give up slavery please' stance clear, when will these peace talks begin and why had he not got up.

Upon removing himself from the floor he looked around nervously to see if anyone had noticed, and went on to spot someone he knew - Buddha C had helped them in a conflict, so he went over to stand near their delegation.

The Deck Commander waved everyone to get off the flight deck and through a hatch opened up in the tower of the aircraft carrier. Inside the crew made sure any stairwells to restricted area's had their hatches closed. The last thing that Admiral Haroldson wanted was for someone to find their way down to the holding area and find the Thunderbolts. Shazbotdom Naval Air Division didn't want anyone except the Shazbotdom Pilots to see the cockpit of these things and the crew of the ship was making sure of it....

OOC: I have no idea how my delegate got here, but I assume he came on some form of transportation with the others.

The Honako delegate, loveable Marcus Holland, deputy head of Foreign Affairs Commission, in true Honakon style - fell over upon leaving the landing craft. Lying face down on the floor he pondered why he was here considering that Honako had made its 'give up slavery please' stance clear, when will these peace talks begin and why had he not got up.

Upon removing himself from the floor he looked around nervously to see if anyone had noticed, and went on to spot someone he knew - Buddha C had helped them in a conflict, so he went over to stand near their delegation.

{OOC: It's not Buddha C, it's the Nationalists for Country i'm RPing. I've pretty much stop using Buddha C, as of now, and will start a new country for the Nationalists for Country (NC) under the name Terre Nationale, after our first grant of land. As of now, the NC is just the ruling diplomatic party in Terre Nationale, a province in the Balkan States, (Balkan Peoples} and ruling military force in Terre Nationale, where they are crisoned the Nationalist Army.}

ok so whats going on?

are we doin this?

ok so whats going on?

are we doin this?

OOC:
I'm guessing that I have to send out TG's to people letting them know of this thread...

Until then, could I basically lay down some simple questions to help JTS out?

1) Describe to me what your religion is, and how it works.
2) How does slavery fit into your religion?
3) You talk about priests in power. How do these priests have power over the religion?
4) Is it possible to seperate the secular 'aspects' of slavery from the 'religious' aspects of slavery? The three questions before are quite important to answer the fourth one, but if we can have the international definition of slavery be different from the religious definition of slavery, and have both co-exist peacefully, then I think everything might be fine.
5) Would you be okay with regulation of the treatment of slaves/possible servants of your nation? I know you treat them well, so a cursoury glance at their welfare will only confirm their well treatment and assure the international community.

How does slavery fit into your religion?
These slaves are the servants of Akatosh (one of the many gods). These religious men are owned by the general populace and preform menial tasks and generally act as slaves do. They are highly revered people. They select this as there path in life based on a holy calling.

3) You talk about priests in power. How do these priests have power over the religion?
The cardinals arbitrate all aspects of the religious doctrine. The cardinals can request a change but the doctrine can only be changed by a majority vote of the believers.


4) Is it possible to separate the secular 'aspects' of slavery from the 'religious' aspects of slavery? The three questions before are quite important to answer the fourth one, but if we can have the international definition of slavery be different from the religious definition of slavery, and have both co-exist peacefully, then I think everything might be fine.

I don't know the international definition of slavery but i don't thinks its possible to separate them.



5) Would you be okay with regulation of the treatment of slaves/possible servants of your nation? I know you treat them well, so a cursoury glance at their welfare will only confirm their well treatment and assure the international community.

yes




I could work with the servant corps if all the servants became followers of akatosh but that is highly unlikely and very unreasonable.

These slaves are the servants of Akatosh (one of the many gods). These religious men are owned by the general populace and preform menial tasks and generally act as slaves do. They are highly revered people. They select this as there path in life based on a holy calling.

Ah. Gotcha.

*jot down notes*

The cardinals arbitrate all aspects of the religious doctrine. The cardinals can request a change but the doctrine can only be changed by a majority vote of the believers.

Okay.

I don't know the international definition of slavery but i don't thinks its possible to separate them.

The Theeb Accords might shed some light on the issue. I note they did not define slavery, but they did say what slavery is not.

Article 1: All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights. They are endowed with reason and conscience and should act towards one another in a spirit of brotherhood.

As you said, the slaves in your nation willingly chosen that line. They are given reason and consicene, and they acted towards each other in a spirit of brotherhood, since slaves are treated with much respect in your nation.

Article 2: Everyone is entitled to all the rights and freedoms set forth in this Declaration, without distinction of any kind, such as race, colour, sex, language, religion, political or other opinion, national or social origin, property, birth or other status. Furthermore, no distinction shall be made on the basis of the political, jurisdictional or international status of the country or territory to which a person belongs, whether it be independent, trust, non-self-governing or under any other limitation of sovereignty.

This means everyone has the right to willingly choose whatever they want to do. I think this clause can easily mean that you cannot PREVENT certain people from becoming a slave.

Article 3: Everyone has the right to life, liberty and the security of person.

You say the slaves are treated nicely, and here is the framework that I hope would suffice. The term "liberty" might be a sticking point, but they choose this line of work, willingly, and you respected their choice and did not force them into this line. Do your slaves have any other political rights in the Nation, just like other people? Either way, I think this might suffice.

Article 4: No one shall be held in slavery or servitude; slavery and the slave trade shall be prohibited in all their forms.

This can be bypassed by having the international law recognizing your slaves as Servants, and thereby can be regulated.

Article 5: Everyone has the right to work, to free choice of employment, and to just and favourable conditions of work. Everyone who works has the right to just and favourable remuneration ensuring for himself and his family an existence worthy of human dignity. Everyone has the right to rest and leisure, including reasonable limitation of working hours and periodic holidays with pay.

They do have the free choice of employement, that of being a slave, and you do guarrante just and favourable conditions.

We have to make sure that slaves get some "remuneration" for their work, which can be justified as the paycheck for being a Servant.

How long is the working hours for being a slave? Is that reasonable? And do the slaves have days off for religious and non-religious hoildays (and would you allow them to get paid for that day)?

I don't know if the slaves are allowed to get paid. If it is against the religion, prehaps the paycheck can be donated to help out the Cardinals, or just be used in order to live day-to-day, eating food so that they can manage to gain enough strength for working another day.

Article 6 has no bearing on the issue so we can ignore it.

Yes

That's good.

I could work with the servant corps if all the servants became followers of akatosh but that is highly unlikely and very unreasonable.

I think it can be done. Altough it may be unlikely and unreasonable if we start trading servants' contracts from other nations, forcing them to believe in your religion, we could quite easily convert all existing slaves into servants by opening up a branch of Servants Corp right here. Some paperworks signed and the slaves become servants. It will only work for all slaves you have already. If you are able to convert other people however to join your religion and become slaves, they can just fill out the paperwork here.

sounds good. I will have the slaves signing these agreements soon.
This will help reduce tensions in our area significantly.


Ooc: This was kinda big before. What happened? Are we actually gonna have peace talks or what?

(OOC: It happens. People fight wars, head over to a peace table [or get sent into a war crime tribunal], where it usually idle out. People prefer murder than stupid diplomactic manuveres. Luckily, we manage to get ourselves a treaty right here.

Someone has to send some TGs over to the people to post here. But if they don't respond...eh. In essence, you won the war. No lives lost, some paperwork shuffled, slaves renamed to "servants" and your nation continues to live as normal. No more dogpiles to worry about anymore. I think recent comments by the Anti-Slavery colation indicates that they would be happy with my propsal, so I guess they won't object to this.

Only thing that has to be worried about now is Buddha C's nationalist movement, but that seems a bit too tangentical to the subject...the main crisis is probaly handled.)

That would be great. I guess the last thing to do, to secure it, would be to sign the Theebs Accord, just to assure the international community that the previous agreement we made will be followed.

We are already sending some of our agents to start setting up a branch to get all the contracts filled up. We apperciate doing business with you.

OOC: that sucks

IC: You may begin building the new branch right away.

The emperor is willing to sign the Theebs accord and will do so as soon as possible.