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FROM Prime Minister Krystal Kane
TO all nations of the world

SUBJECT Forming an Anti-slavery Alliance

Given the recent events surrounding the acceptance of slavery by nations who do not view all people as equals, and the initial attempt to form an alliance of nations whose core tenet and uniting point is its opposition to any form of slavery, the United Commonwealth of Kyozerkia and her protectorates of Kutou-koku and Farflorin are starting an alliance for those who wish to see a world free of slavery.

As such, we find it repulsive that pro-slavery nations would insult those nations which choose not to participate in such acts of discrimination against our own fellow humans, and where warranted, other creatures.

We further find it repulsive that those who would sanction the formation of a slave trade union would have this principle as one of its core concepts: To stand united against the belligerent anti-slavery states who are hell bent on making war with us. This union will primarily be concerned with preserving the peace, but let it be known, the union shall retaliate against any unprovoked acts of war together, as one.*

Our uniting point would be our moral outrage and opposition to any elements of the slave trade, and as such, as we will work to provide those who have been the victim of the slave trade with sanctuary.

Our goal would not be outright war; our goal is to right an injustice and give the victims of the slave trade a chance at a life with freedom, liberty and justice.

* this passage (in Italics) was edited for spelling discrepancies.

Members
Kryozerkia
Aunesia
European Islands
McPsychoville
Adamta
Aleard
Honako
Dragonicale
Sendersdale
Cookesland
Eralineta
Kahanistan
Osteia
[NS]ICCD-Intracircumcordei
Red Fortress

Response from the Grand Duchy of Aunesia

The Grand Duchy of Aunesia would first like to applaud the Government of Kryozerkia for its decision to act with restraint in any actions it chooses to take, but would like to enquire as to the nature of any actions this Anti-Slavery Alliance would engage itself in.

We support the principles of such an organisation, but refrain from support of its methods until such time as we receive the assurances we are almost certain the Government of Kryozerkia will provide us.

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To: Interested Parties
Re: Anti-Slavery Alliance
Encryption: None

Doesn't the world have anything more interesting to talk about? Like, I dunno, genocide, fascism, or creating Big Superalliance Number 319283951?

[signed]
Jael Chedrin
~ Chairman, Commonwealth Foreign Council ~

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Response from the Grand Duchy of Aunesia

The Grand Duchy of Aunesia would first like to applaud the Government of Kryozerkia for its decision to act with restraint in any actions it chooses to take, but would like to enquire as to the nature of any actions this Anti-Slavery Alliance would engage itself in.

We support the principles of such an organisation, but refrain from support of its methods until such time as we receive the assurances we are almost certain the Government of Kryozerkia will provide us.

We seek to create an alliance that works on the principles of diplomacy. We want to avoid war, as our citizens are war-wary from years of high tensions with Talematros. At the same time, it is clear that they support means to extend the same rights and dignities to others that they have the luxury of having.

Our operations would be diplomatic and working within the framework of United Nation resolutions as well as domestic laws. Such a framework would involve an extensive network of nations who want to provide the victims of slavery with a chance to seek asylum and flee oppression.

This is an opportunity for nations who do not wish to inflate their military budgets to fight injustice around the world and give people without a shred of hope a little light in their dreary world and provide them with the same chance that their masters afford.

Our operations would use educational material and other diplomatic means of getting the knowledge out to those who need it.

Pre-emptive strikes and declarations of war are not on our agenda. We seek to use the power of influence, diplomacy and knowledge to free the victims of slavery.

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To: Interested Parties
Re: Anti-Slavery Alliance
Encryption: None

Doesn't the world have anything more interesting to talk about? Like, I dunno, genocide, fascism, or creating Big Superalliance Number 319283951?

[signed]
Jael Chedrin
~ Chairman, Commonwealth Foreign Council ~

Dear Jael Chedrin,

You could have ignored the communique. I'm sure you have more than enough papers filled with tedious requests to fulfill in the time you took to respond to my general communique to all world leaders.

Sincerely,
Krystal Kane

TO: Prime Minister Krystal Kane of Kryozerkia
FROM: Grand Duchess Elizabeth of Aunesia

The Grand Duchy of Aunesia would like to receive the honour of being the first nation to join you in this Alliance and pledges its support for this Alliance wholeheartedly. Only by working together will the nations of this world bring about the final and total abolition of slavery and the freedom of all human beings within this world.

Yours,

Elizabeth

The country of Kesshite prefers to remain a neutral party in regards to international issues. However, we applaud the creation of an anti-slavery union dedicated to non-militaristic interactions. While we are not opposed to slave trade, and utilize forced labor in many of our community projects, we are saddened by the cruel and inhumane treatment many nations allow to be perpetrated on its peoples.

Minister Havez
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To: Krystal Kane, Prime Minister, United Commonwealth of Kryozerkia
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I apologise for my lack of clarity. The Foreign Council has recognised that slavery is 'in' at the present time, being one of today's most-discussed issues, and following a long historical tradition I have felt it my duty to make some form of sarcastic remark about the world's tendency to concentrate on one issue almost exclusively to the neglect of other, equally important ones. A few months ago there were all the anti-communist alliances; several years ago the anti-Kraven alliances; when I was still a postdoc in political science there were all of the right-wing alliances (RWA, RWI, RWC and too many others to count, it seems); today it's anti-slavery, or pro-slavery. Catalasia's position on these 'issues' has usually been the figurative peanut gallery.

I will now stop taking up your valuable time, and my own, and reserve my remarks for the next big issue the international community decides to emphasize.

[signed]
Jael Chedrin
~ Chairman, Commonwealth Foreign Council ~

I will now stop taking up your valuable time, and my own, and reserve my remarks for the next big issue the international community decides to emphasize.
ooc - I'm only doing this because I want to let my nation test the II waters without whipping out the MS-Infantry... ^^;

The European Islands will gladly be the second nation to join your alliance. The last alliance failed miserably, but you seem to know what you're doing. Plus, it doesn't involve the foolish military action I mentioned earlier before our government changed their position.

Alex K. Nordolf, Official Ambassador for the European Islands, 2007

We were in the last incarnation, we're in this one with the caveat that you don't have to go to war with us. We are militaristic, we make no excuses for that, and so if you don't want to march into battle, so be it.

We were in the last incarnation, we're in this one with the caveat that you don't have to go to war with us. We are militaristic, we make no excuses for that, and so if you don't want to march into battle, so be it.

When it comes to war, you'd be expected to stand on your own, but if it's diplomacy, we will be there to help. With that in mind, we welcome you.

The Grand Republic of Adamta wishes to stop slavery. We would be glad to join this alliance.

Signed,
Secretary of State,
Bill Shea

Recipient: Prime Minister Krystal Kane
Sender: President Thomson (Government Of Aleard)
CC: (none)

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I am myself against slavery, and if it becomes known that within my nation there is a slave operation, it has so far been halted without thought. I would be happy to enter this alliance, and to ratify any reasonable anti-slavery laws that may be discussed within the alliance if this is also on the agenda.

Consider Aleard a member of this alliance. The assembly will have no veto in regard to this decision, so its effect, upon approval, is immediate.

Yours,
President Thomson

On Behalf Of The Republic Of Aleard.

The nation of zackaroth would like to know where does this allaince stand on nations that force convicted criminals into slavery? Such as with those with life sentences or on death row?

From,
James von Strangaild, High Leader and Lord Governer of Zackaroth.

"The Commonwealth has yet to see a clear definition of slavery."

((OOC: Same applies in this thread, Nephtali))

"The Commonwealth has yet to see a clear definition of slavery."

To: Kryozerkia
From: Emperor Black

Can we have more details into this before joining? We'd like to know what the definition of slavery is and the methods used to counteract it in steps before signing up.

Official Statement from the Honako Commission

Honako would gladly join this alliance in an attempt to persuade others to stop the huge civil rights violation that is slavery. They may not listen - but at least we can have a group of civilised countries that have a firm stance against it.

The Federation of Dragonicale will likely join your cause and your alliance. Slavery is found repulsive in our country.

From: enlightened leader Father 'Tony' Mulcahey
To: the rest of the universe

Slavery is allowed in F1 Insanity. Girls between 18 and 21 can be selected by me to perform 3 years of 'community service' as my personal sex slaves. All men who have bought* a slavery license from the government can keep up to 5 young women as slaves.

* buying a licence is both expensive and compulsory for wannabe slave holders.

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The Dominion of Sendersdale and Greater Colonies
From the office of the Minister of Foreign Affairs

To:
Prime Minister Krystal Kane
Kryozerkia Nation

May I commends the nation of Kryozerkia for forming the Anti-Slavery Alliance. I myself abhor all practices of slavery, along with The Dominion of Sendersdale.

I would be honored if you accepted my admission into the Anti-Slavery Alliance.

Signed,

Nicholas Alexander
Nicholas L. Alexander. PC, MP, MA
Prime Minister

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The nation of zackaroth would like to know where does this allaince stand on nations that force convicted criminals into slavery? Such as with those with life sentences or on death row?

From,
James von Strangaild, High Leader and Lord Governer of Zackaroth.

It would be viewed as a violation of human rights. Putting the people into slavery because of crimes would be treated the same, unless it is shown that the criminal has agreed to the sentence in lieu of another type of punishment. This of course will be debated when there is the first meeting of the alliance. This will be one of the main items on the agenda because it is involving people who have broken the law(s) in their home country. We would discuss and find the right approach to this issue.

However, this doesn't mean that we will force nations to abolish their death sentence clauses from their criminal codes. Nations who have a death sentence will not have that removed. There are other alternatives to slavery as a sentence. Nevertheless, community service will not be counted as slavery.

That too will be an issue at the conference.

"The Commonwealth has yet to see a clear definition of slavery."

Slavery is defined as forced, unpaid labour in conditions that are sub-human, with the people being treated as second class citizens. The definition of slavery includes forced prostitution.

This is our preliminary working definition and will be discussed and defined at the first conference of the alliance.

The base definition will be broad and we will go into specific definitions as well so all bases are covered.

From: enlightened leader Father 'Tony' Mulcahey
To: the rest of the universe

Slavery is allowed in F1 Insanity. Girls between 18 and 21 can be selected by me to perform 3 years of 'community service' as my personal sex slaves. All men who have bought* a slavery license from the government can keep up to 5 young women as slaves.

* buying a licence is both expensive and compulsory for wannabe slave holders.


That is sick to a high level. Atleast our slaves are getting punishment for the horrible crimes they commited. what you have a sick little force sex circle. It's nations like that make me want to start rolling out the tanks.

James von strangaild, High Leader of Zackaroth

Kryozerkia:
"Slavery is defined as forced, unpaid labour in conditions that are sub-human, with the people being treated as second class citizens. The definition of slavery includes forced prostitution."

Greetings again from the nation of Kesshite, though you have obviously been too busy to respond to my original communication, we have been monitoring the situation as well as your responses to others and have a few questions.

Your definition of slavery would seem to suggest that forced, unpaid labor is not slavery, as long as the worker is not subjected to 'sub-human' conditions. I am interested in what makes the conditions sub-human in your estimate. Likewise, you felt the need to clarify that forced prostitution is de facto slavery, is this because you believe prostitution to be intrinsically sub-human?

Thank you for your time,

Minister Havez
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OOC: Kryozerkia can you please reply to my post? ^-^

The nation of zackaroth would like to know where does this allaince stand on nations that force convicted criminals into slavery? Such as with those with life sentences or on death row?

The Kiravian Empire wishes to join this alliance, provided that a clear definition of slavery be voted upon, and that it exclude criminals with life sentances or death-penalty ineligables. Other than that, we are honored to defend the basic rights of humanity, and support this union.

To: Kryozerkia
From: Emperor Black

Can we have more details into this before joining? We'd like to know what the definition of slavery is and the methods used to counteract it in steps before signing up.

Forgive the slowness of our reply, but there is a backlog of requests for information. We will try and answer everyone who has legitimate concerns.

Our definition is a little skimpy at the moment.

"Slavery is defined as forced, unpaid labour in conditions that are sub-human, with the people being treated as second class citizens. The definition of slavery includes forced prostitution."

It will be flourished when there is more input from the alliance.

Steps to counteract any slavery will also be discussed, but the primary objective it to use diplomatic pressure. The Slave Trade Union expects the Anti-slavery Alliance to resort to violent tactics to achieve our objective. Our methods will rely on an extensive network of nations who can monitor other nations and ferrying the victims to safety. We will also use sanctions that affect the leadership.

Other methods will be discussed at the conference.

Kryozerkia:
"Slavery is defined as forced, unpaid labour in conditions that are sub-human, with the people being treated as second class citizens. The definition of slavery includes forced prostitution."

Greetings again from the nation of Kesshite, though you have obviously been too busy to respond to my original communication, we have been monitoring the situation as well as your responses to others and have a few questions.

Your definition of slavery would seem to suggest that forced, unpaid labor is not slavery, as long as the worker is not subjected to 'sub-human' conditions. I am interested in what makes the conditions sub-human in your estimate. Likewise, you felt the need to clarify that forced prostitution is de facto slavery, is this because you believe prostitution to be intrinsically sub-human?

Thank you for your time,

Minister Havez
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We apologise for our skimpy definition.

Slavery in all forms is wrong. It is forced unpaid labour. The conditions may not always be subhuman, but the fact remains that slavery is slavery regardless of how the person is treated. Prostitution was only mentioned when the person is forced into it. The profession itself is fine provided that there is consent from both parties and the prostitute him/herself has voluntarily entered the trade and is not being taken advantage of.

We realise that our definitions are not the best, which is why we had initially refrained from putting it in our alliance proposal. We had intended to leave the definition for the alliance to discuss and decide upon.

It is funny that some of you would see using criminals as something horrffic and on the scale of actual slavery. Now its not as if you get a traffic ticket or are charged with a minor assualt violation you go into the camps. No, our camps are made for those who brutally murdered, raped, totured, etc there victims. Its seems a fitting justice for those people to spend the rest of there days working on some farm or in a mine for the horrible acts they commited.

James von Strangaild, High leader of Zackaroth.

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Official Diplomatic Message


The United States of Cookesland commends The United Commonwealth of Kryozerkia for finally organizing a union dedicated to abolition of slavery. The United States also wishes to join The Anti-Slavery Alliance (TASA???).

Sincerly,
Alan Foxswift
Alan Foxswift
President of the United States of Cookesland

One thought that I feel should be considered when this is talked about is whether this is actually limited to slavery, because it seems to be spreading further afield into general human rights. Maybe this isnt actually about slavery, its about the general treatment of human beings.

How does "second-class citizens" apply to a nation with multiple social classes of people throughout an empire?

How does "second-class citizens" apply to a nation with multiple social classes of people throughout an empire?

The term 'second-class' I believed to mean, in the kind of indefinite way signed documentation and laws do, a person who is treated how a reasonable citizen would not expect to be treated.

We apologise for our skimpy definition.

Slavery in all forms is wrong. It is forced unpaid labour. The conditions may not always be subhuman, but the fact remains that slavery is slavery regardless of how the person is treated. Prostitution was only mentioned when the person is forced into it. The profession itself is fine provided that there is consent from both parties and the prostitute him/herself has voluntarily entered the trade and is not being taken advantage of.

We realise that our definitions are not the best, which is why we had initially refrained from putting it in our alliance proposal. We had intended to leave the definition for the alliance to discuss and decide upon.

Thank you for your prompt reply.

Given the nascent nature of your organization, I am not surprised that you have not created a detailed set of standards on which to judge slavery. I find your definition to be fine, and apologize if it appeared as though I was criticizing it.

Minister Havez
[Kayyat Province Seal]

OOC: Later today myself and Vetaka will be publishing a document which you might want to incorporate into the definition of slavery.

OOC: Later today myself and Vetaka will be publishing a document which you might want to incorporate into the definition of slavery.

ooc:Maybe we should expand this organization for not just slavery but, the better treatment of human beings world wide.

OOC: It's better to stick to a defined goal...but perhaps acknowledging our desire for greater respect and protection for human rights universally

Emperor Black has sent a formal letter to Prime Minister Krystal Kane with the simple wish to join the Anti-Slavery Alliance. Eralineta's Emperor Black put his seal of approval on the document noting that the government backs him on this approval and that they be added to the list of nations.

OOC: Eralineta...you HAVE slavery...are you ending the practice?

OOC: Eralineta...you HAVE slavery...are you ending the practice?

OOC: Its not slavery. We pay them $100,000 and they work for 15-20 years. They are ex-cons and criminals sentanced to death. They get to live in a tropical paradise mooching off the state. They have to do labor though, this means construction and basic putting together of pre-fabricated structures. In all fairness its legal and productive for both aspects.

OOC: It's better to stick to a defined goal...but perhaps acknowledging our desire for greater respect and protection for human rights universally

ooc: good point

noting that the government backs him on this approval and that they be added to the list of nations.

ooc: gotta wait till Kryozerkia comes back online

OOC: Its not slavery. We pay them $100,000 and they work for 15-20 years. They are ex-cons and criminals sentanced to death. They get to live in a tropical paradise mooching off the state. They have to do labor though, this means construction and basic putting together of pre-fabricated structures. In all fairness its legal and productive for both aspects.

OOC: Q.E.D... (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12456578&postcount=18)?

OOC: Q.E.D... (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12456578&postcount=18)?


ooc: :eek: that sounds like slavery to me...

OOC: It was SIC, but still:

"...our slaves are better treated then citizens and humans in other countries, they have no right to make decisions about government when we are on our own sovereign land."

When you are a criminal rapist taken into our nation you are sterilized. If you are a mad murderer or serial killer you are sterilized. The sterilization is a simple vascetomy for males, which is repairable 80% of the time. The reason this is done is quite simple. The ability on the male psyche to be able to impregnate in women is reduced so much so that they knowingly feel half a man. This process has proven to stop over 90% of all rapists from repeating the action.

Though they are treated better (and the fact they are alive) alone should be looked upon kindly as they would be dead if it was not for this.

Well, this idea certainly has boomed. We outnumber the Slave Trading Union at this moment, which was the reason the Anti-slavery Alliance was first created. It this rate, we may be able to accomplish what many of us thought was impossible; abolishing slavery across the globe. I'm not saying we have an absolute chance, but at the rate we're growing, maybe...

I also encourage any nations part of this new alliance to place their troops under secondary alert. The Black Agents, a powerful and mysterious slave-trading nation, have actually threatened to assassinate political leaders if we do not back down. Although they haven't taken any action yet, I still don't want to see a man die for trying to free a slave.

Alex K. Nordolf, Official Ambassador for the European Islands, 2007

OOC: Which is why I posted it OOC'ly to your OOC claim that your slaves are paid etc. And I don't actually understand the relevance of your criminal sentencing, as the right to life is not one that can be awarded or taken away at a whim by anyone.

Well, this idea certainly has boomed. We outnumber the Slave Trading Union at this moment, which was the reason the Anti-slavery Alliance was first created. It this rate, we may be able to accomplish what many of us thought was impossible; abolishing slavery across the globe. I'm not saying we have an absolute chance, but at the rate we're growing, maybe...

I also encourage any nations part of this new alliance to place their troops under secondary alert. The Black Agents, a powerful and mysterious slave-trading nation, have actually threatened to assassinate political leaders if we do not back down. Although they haven't taken any action yet, I still don't want to see a man die for trying to free a slave.

Alex K. Nordolf, Official Ambassador for the European Islands, 2007


ooc: why don't we create a peace keeping force for The Anti-Slavery Alliance every member nation can donate some of it's troops to the force

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To: All Nations
From: Lady Coventina of Aliquantus

We have discussed The Anti-Slavery Alliance and have concluded that it is a fruitless effort to destroy the slave industry. The Anti-Slavery Alliance has not become an intimidating or threatening entity and we wish it to stay in that state.

Signed,
Coventina
Lady Coventina - International Affairs and Defence Minister.

ooc: why don't we create a peace keeping force for The Anti-Slavery Alliance every member nation can donate some of it's troops to the force

Because diplomacy and economic pressure are the only way of successfully pressuring foreign governments to abolish slavery. Military action is not the way forward.

ooc: why don't we create a peace keeping force for The Anti-Slavery Alliance every member nation can donate some of it's troops to the force

OOC: Why don't we keep this topic in-character before it is completely derailed? You could've easily said that in-character.

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To: All Nations
From: Lady Coventina of Aliquantus

We have discussed The Anti-Slavery Alliance and have concluded that it is a fruitless effort to destroy the slave industry. The Anti-Slavery Alliance has not become an intimidating or threatening entity and we wish it to stay in that state.

Signed,
Coventina
Lady Coventina - International Affairs and Defence Minister.

TO: Lady Coventina of Aliquantus

This alliance is not meant to be threatening. Unlike the Slave Traders' Union, this alliance is not a militaristic group. Instead our aim is to apply pressure to reveal to you the error of your ways and prove that there is no economic benefit of any kind to the practice of slavery.

If you had any respect for the dignity of human beings, you would cease the inhuman, barbaric practice immiediately, as is within your power to do so.

When people bring up using prisoners as slaves, I think of a hundred ways at once to use them besides slavery; road repair, constructing buildings, forced military service, etc. Selling them off like objects isn't the answer. If you just considered some of the solutions I brought up, then you could find an alternate way of using prisoners to help your nation economically without depriving them of their human rights.

Just consider some of these ideas.

Zackaroth is very interested in joining this. While we believe violent criminals deserve to be enslaved for the horrible crimes they commited, we enslaving people and selling them as items or sex objects is deplorable. While we admit we have sold some of our prisoners in the past they where all on death row and did not have much time to live.

James von Strangaild, High Leader and Lord Governer of Zackaroth

When people bring up using prisoners as slaves, I think of a hundred ways at once to use them besides slavery; road repair, constructing buildings, forced military service, etc. Selling them off like objects isn't the answer. If you just considered some of the solutions I brought up, then you could find an alternate way of using prisoners to help your nation economically without depriving them of their human rights.

Just consider some of these ideas.

Ah we see whats wrong. When you think of slaves you think of us selling them off to the public. In Zackaroth it is differnt. They work only for the goverment and on farms or mines or as you stated above, road repair and construction. We only sell them off if the rate is too high and could lead to trouble. My father wanted to turn this into a trading bussniess but decided against it so we only sell them when needed. We hope this clears up somethings.


James von Strangaild, High Leader and Lord Governer of Zackaroth

Ah we see whats wrong. When you think of slaves you think of us selling them off to the public. In Zackaroth it is differnt. They work only for the goverment and on farms or mines or as you stated above, road repair and construction. We only sell them off if the rate is too high and could lead to trouble. My father wanted to turn this into a trading bussniess but decided against it so we only sell them when needed. We hope this clears up somethings.


James von Strangaild, High Leader and Lord Governer of Zackaroth

We were not referring to you, Governer, we were referring to the other nations that endorse slavery more than you.

I regret to announce that Alex Nordolf's title as ambassador for the European Islands has been suspended, pending an official investigation with his possible involvement with organized crime in our country. Instead, I, Joseph Arnarson, president of this fair country, will be filling in until the investigation is closed. If any nations would like to discuss this matter further, please send us a telegram instead of bringing it up in the meeting hall. Thank you.

Joseph Arnarson, temporary ambassador and president of the European Islands, 2007

Ah we see whats wrong. When you think of slaves you think of us selling them off to the public. In Zackaroth it is differnt. They work only for the goverment and on farms or mines or as you stated above, road repair and construction. We only sell them off if the rate is too high and could lead to trouble. My father wanted to turn this into a trading bussniess but decided against it so we only sell them when needed. We hope this clears up somethings.


James von Strangaild, High Leader and Lord Governer of Zackaroth

OOC: Same condition as here, but it is inter-governmental. They are not public slaves, but indentured workers to the state. It costs a lot of money to keep a prisoner in jail for a year, our way has them become productive and helpful to our nation, while extending their lives and giving them the ability to reform, live and enjoy themselves when not working for the state.

This kind of practice is common in many nations because rotting in prison is a waste of money and resources, and very few nations never have their inmates work. In the US they clean, stamp plates, and do lots of other tasks.

Now let's end the OOC banter. :D

I have not heard much out of the Slave Trade Union's leader, Llaronan. Perhaps he decided it was not worth it? We can only hope.

-President Joseph Arnarson

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To: All member nations, potential member nations
From: Krystal Kane, The United Commonwealth of Kryozerkia
Encryption: None
Subject: TASA Conference

We apologise for not responding to everyone individually, for we had not anticipated such a quick and widely-accepted response.

We instead are issuing a general statement to all those who have considered joining the alliance. This message is also being forwarded to those who are oppose to our existence, as we have no fear of men and women who engage n acts that violate the core tenets of human rights, liberty and dignity.

We realise that at this time there are many questions, including and not limited to non-militaristic methods by which to put an end to the barbaric practice of slavery and the very definition of the word.

This is why we are planning a large scale conference, which will be held in the near future in the Kryozerkian capital of Kerzokoia. All arrangements will be made by our Foreign Affairs Ministry in co-operation with the Kerzokoia City Council.

All members and potential members are invited to the conference. The date will be announced shortly, as we are acquiring permission for funding from the House of Commons and the Senate. We believe that it won't be an issue as we have majority control of both levels of Parliament.

In the mean time, we invite all members and potential members to draw up any definitions and tenets they wish to see incorporated into the policy of the alliance. These elements will be tabled at the conference.

Each nation's delegation ensemble is limited twenty personnel. If security is a concern, we can provide your delegation with its own military escort in addition to any security you bring.

We will waive the visa requirement for all members attending the conference. You will still be required to travel with a passport, but visas will not be expected.

Once we have the details ironed out, we will send out a communique.

Sincerely,
Krystal Kane
Right Honourable Prime Minister

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The Heroes Nation of -Scaevola-

While we agree with virtually any anti-slavery cause or crusade, we fear that this alliance may just talk itself to stunned inaction. There must be a clear definition given, there must be clear guidelines for who can join this alliance.

Once these are addressed, it may well be that the Heroes Nation of -Scaevola- would join the cause. We plan to attend the conference.

- Maksym R. Hochman, Ambassador-at-Large and Chief Minister of International Relations.

When people bring up using prisoners as slaves, I think of a hundred ways at once to use them besides slavery; road repair, constructing buildings, forced military service, etc.


All of which is forced labor, and thus slavery.

While the country of Kesshite engages in slavery, it at least has the honesty to admit that's what it's doing. If you force any citizen to work at any job against their will, they are a slave. It doesn't matter if you're talking about compulsorily military service for men 18 to 22, or work camps for criminals.

Furthermore, even if your alliance included every nation in the world, it would only eliminate government-sanctioned slavery. Slavery, like drug use or prostitution, has existed since men first created societies, and will continue long after this alliance has faded from history.

Cyrus
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Members
Kryozerkia
Aunesia
European Islands
McPsychoville
Adamta
Aleard
Honako
Dragonicale
Sendersdale
Cookesland
Eralineta

IC:

We respectively ask if Kryozerkia is under communism. South Lizasauria has many foes which we absolutely refuse to recognize as beings with souls due to the fact that they practice slavery and refuse to give up that practice.

OOC: South Lizasauria fought in the Grace cult wars which they fought an evil cult bent on imperialism and enslaving everyone.

General Announcement

I have been asked to write this on behalf of Arch Arsonist Adam Wincenty and the Director of International Relations Tomasz Swietoslaw

The Armed Republic must condemn attempts to halt forced labor or "Slavery." Mer des Ennuis has long ago adopted a policy of forced labor for convicts. Traitors to the state and violent non-psychotic criminals, being a stain on society, are shown the light through forced labor before they are shipped to the restricted Isles for military maneuvers, of which few survive. We have not made these practices secret, and their effects have, up until recently, purified our glorious nation of most scum and villainy. This has led to some shortages, and we have, to a degree, been forced to procure bodies from foreign suppliers. Granted, this is not a problem with the current rebellion situation, we expect a swelling of numbers. However, our position still stands: any attempt at breaking this status quo will be met with, at the very least, massive diplomatic sanctions. A disruption of supply, future or otherwise, will be treated with much more severely.

Daniel Czeslaw
Director, Bureau of Prisons

Official Announcement from the Free Havenic Republic of Kahanistan
Ministry of Foreign Affairs

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The Government of Kahanistan would be most interested in joining this organization. Slavery is a blemish upon society and it is surprising that it still exists in this day and age; there are machines that can do that work, and they won't suffer or rebel.

This is a highly salient issue for the people of Kahanistan; our Negev homeland was invaded and enslaved by the evil Doomani Empire. We ask that we be allowed to join your organization and purge the world of slavery and those who practice it.

I would like to attend your meeting if I can get out of Whyatica in time; if not, my secretary will attend in my place.

Signed,
Rachel C. Levitt,
Minister of Foreign Affairs

IC:

We respectively ask if Kryozerkia is under communism. South Lizasauria has many foes which we absolutely refuse to recognize as beings with souls due to the fact that they practice slavery and refuse to give up that practice.

OOC: South Lizasauria fought in the Grace cult wars which they fought an evil cult bent on imperialism and enslaving everyone.
IC:
The nation of Kryozerkia is a heavily-left wing nation governed by socialist polices. The current sitting party is the Black Revolutionary Party, whose ideology is socialism, and the Loyal Opposition is the People's Labour Party, which is known for its communist policies.

To all nations,
Firstly i would like to apologise for my slow response to this issue. Even a king needs some social drinking time right?

I have nothing new to say on this issue. I am sure my proposed union shal be forged, and the very nature of your war-crazed alliance is why such a union is essential. We shall not play the victim to the schoolyard bully!

Regards
King Owain of Llanoran

To all nations,
Firstly i would like to apologise for my slow response to this issue. Even a king needs some social drinking time right?

I have nothing new to say on this issue. I am sure my proposed union shal be forged, and the very nature of your war-crazed alliance is why such a union is essential. We shall not play the victim to the schoolyard bully!

Regards
King Owain of Llanoran

You are deluded, King Owain. We are not trying to take your rule away from you, we are trying to enhance life for those "objects" you make so much copper coins off of. If anyone is the schoolyard bully, it is your Union. My former ambassador was physically threatened, and our nation's views were insulted. Then when we threaten to pull out the big guns, suddenly we're the bad guys, not you.

And as I said before, please research subjects before discussing them. All of us, aside from McPsychoville, have agreed not to use military force to stop you from slave trading.

Joseph Arnarson, Ambassador and President of the European Islands, 2007

Minister of forgin affairs: Kyle Braham
To: Anti-slavery alliance

The Kingdom of Osteia pittys the slaves of nations who choose to use them for the back breaking work they are too lazy to do themselves. After some reading on this alliance the King himself has decided to side with the alliance but not to offically join, if the alliance is in need know that Osteia is a friend, a friend that may be called on. King Owain, hardly deserving the title of "King" appears to be an ignorant drunk, as quoted his majesty Antonio Vespillio during a conferance yesterday reguarding this matter.

Thus, Osteia has provoked Llanoran's king verbally, and i was personally informed by his royal highness, permission HAS been given to make this statement known. It is not my place to insult the rulers of other nations but that comes from my own king, i have all due respect, personally for King Owain of Llandoran.

Thank you


Minister of forgin affairs:

Kyle Braham

To all nations,
Firstly i would like to apologise for my slow response to this issue. Even a king needs some social drinking time right?

I have nothing new to say on this issue. I am sure my proposed union shal be forged, and the very nature of your war-crazed alliance is why such a union is essential. We shall not play the victim to the schoolyard bully!

Regards
King Owain of Llanoran

Dear King Owain,

The Kryozerkian Foreign Affairs Ministry wishes to clarify the following; the alliance is about diplomacy. You have failed to understand that basic principle. The alliance operates on the idea that we can coerce pro-slavery nations into abandoning their pro-slavery policies when it becomes apparent that continuing to employ such policies will only hurt the leaders. Educational blitz campaigns will give the oppressed the knowledge they need to break free and rise up.

The alliance is generally against the idea of using force, since war hurts civilians far more than it hurts the nation's military and leadership. However, the alliance will not exclude those who support the soul and spirit of the alliance, even if they want to bring in a new era by the barrel of the gun. For that reason alone, McPsychoville, has been permitted to join.

They have been informed that when they seek military recourse that the alliance will not be automatically joining it when it employs bellicose actions.

Sincerely,
Krystal Kane
Right Honourable Prime Minister
The United Commonwealth of Kryozerkia

And as I said before, please research subjects before discussing them. All of us, aside from McPsychoville, have agreed not to use military force to stop you from slave trading.

We still maintain that you're all missing the underlying point. If anything, this new message displays it well, showing that these pro-slavery nations continue to see themselves as victims despite their own militaristic ways. Force is the only way to get through to these people, it's a sad truth but one that has to be faced; talking will get us all nowhere slowly.

OOC: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=520934&page=8


CCCChheck it Out

[I]there are machines that can do that work, and they won't suffer or rebel.



OOCness: Clearly she's not seen the SAL9000 issue. :p

ICCD affirms this alliance, and supports the program to in a resounding voice say. We are able to make our own choices, to exercise our beleifs existing legally in the world without persecution or harm coming to us.

We have made ourselves known in the Slave Trade Union.

Official Introduction (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12459540&posted=1#post12459540)

The Great Empire of the Red Fortress, would be honored if we could join your alliance. Slavery has no place in todays world. Attempting to end slavery democratically is the way to go. But if need be our nation will not be afraid to fight.

- Emperor Tim Campbell of the Red Fortress

The Great Empire of the Red Fortress, would be honored if we could join your alliance. Slavery has no place in todays world. Attempting to end slavery democratically is the way to go. But if need be our nation will not be afraid to fight.

- Emperor Tim Campbell of the Red Fortress

We welcome you to the fold, and inform you that you're welcome to join in the democratic process. However, if you feel the need to pursue military recourse, we will neither condemn nor condone the action. We will merely not be an accessory to such actions. Barring this, provided you at within the core principles of the alliance, we will be there to aid you when you utilize diplomatic means.

Sincerely,
Krystal Kane

Has the meeting been called yet?

Joseph Arnarson, Ambassador and President of the European Islands, 2007

Has the meeting been called yet?

Joseph Arnarson, Ambassador and President of the European Islands, 2007

Emperor Black does not know of any such meeting, but suggests the use of a meeting room in Eralineta for all who wish to participate. The location can be asked and ship arrangements made by request.

Emperor Black does not know of any such meeting, but suggests the use of a meeting room in Eralineta for all who wish to participate. The location can be asked and ship arrangements made by request.

I thought that someone mentioned having a meeting to discuss ways of ending slavery. My mistake if there is no such thing.

My Lt. General John Taylor (Guarded by 50 Advance Tactical Guards) will be going to the meeting. I request a ship!

It's going to be almost impossible to end slavery and if we do succesfully end slavery in those countries in the "Slave Union", we have to face new nations that won't end slavery, and then it starts all over again. Its good to try to end most of the slavery though.
Also I say the Slavery Union seems pretty aggressive to me so keep a eye peeled on them.

To all nations,
Firstly i would like to apologise for my slow response to this issue. Even a king needs some social drinking time right?

I have nothing new to say on this issue. I am sure my proposed union shal be forged, and the very nature of your war-crazed alliance is why such a union is essential. We shall not play the victim to the schoolyard bully!

Regards
King Owain of Llanoran

Seems like a threat message to me.

-Message from Lt. General John Taylor

OOC

The Anti-Slavery Alliance Conference (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12463853)

The details are within.