NationStates Jolt Archive

To All Nations,
In light of recent events concerning the threatening actions of anti-slavery states, i call upon all slave trading nations to join me in forging a union. This union will have two aims:

1: To preserve the slave trade and ensure that all members are supplied with the slaves they need, to fulfill their own domestic and economic objectives.

2: To stand united against the belligerent anti-slavery states who are hell bent on making war with us. This union will primerily be concerned with preserving the peace, but let it be known, the union shall retalliate aginst any unprovoked acts of war together, as one.

I recognize that such a union has been attempted in the past and was squandered. This is why the Union shall not be born until at least 10 nations have joined. I am fully commited to this and am placing it number one on my list of government priorities. I eagerly await a positive response.

Kind Regards
King Owain of Llanoran

Official Dominion of Vetaka Diplomatic Message:

To: The Slave Trade Union
From: Vetakan Foreign Affairs

The Dominion of Vetaka I accept is leading the fight to abolish Slavery however. The Dominion of Vetaka is doing this in a Peaceful and Diplomatic approach we have no will to cause conflict and bloodshed on the subject of Slavery.

The Dominion of Vetaka along with her allies around the world understand Slavery is somtimes nessary in order to boost an Economy that is why Vetaka is on the eve of launching a Worldwide Protocal on the subject of Slavery. The Protocal we hope will be accepted and adapted by all sides in argument and we also feel The Slave Traders and now this Union has a very important part to play. The Dominon of Vetaka is realistic in its campaign and like I say understand that Slavery in some nations is the life blood. I request that you allow The Dominion of Vetaka to present the Protocal to you so that you may mull it over and hopefully accept it.

The Dominion of Vetaka has no intent to cause a Conflict

Yours Vetakan President Roxanne Wright

As you will undoubtedly now know, we stand firmly opposed to all slave trading nations, and will be happy to bring down military force the moment we find evidence of any specific activities. The fact that a union is being proposed for such a vile practice almost makes us smile for two reasons; first, that this is proof that the act does indeed go on, and second for it is almost like having a union for murderers.

By all means form your union. We will do the same, then we can see how the balance stacks up.

They actually have those, and why do you have to force your will around, stop being like George Bush.

They actually have those, and why do you have to force your will around, stop being like George Bush.

Why do you trade in humans? We force our will because the civilised world has recognised that slavery is an immoral practice, especially in cases where slaves are forced into battle for a nation that is not their own. We intend to erase this practice, and since many times people only understand force, force is what we are prepared to give them.

We agree with the people of McPsychoville on this matter. Treating human beings like tools to be used, traded, then thrown away is something we at the European Islands find disgusting and immoral. I encourage you not to start this union, as it will bring hostility towards all nations part of it, but if you will not listen to reason, we will not hesitate to bring down the hammer with our military.

Alex K. Nordolf, Official Ambassador for the European Islands, 2007

To President Wright of Veteka,
I respect your peaceful intentions but i must insist that continue our own agenda no matter what. We refuse to yeild to states which have no rightful interest in this issue. Afterall, we are not shipping your citizens, we are selling or dumping off our prisoners so we have no need to build prisons. We do not practice slavery in our land but strongly endorse the slave trade and will continue to export prisoners to countries that need them.

Kind regards
King Owain of Llanoran

There are several other ways of using your country's prisoners that would help your nation environmentally as well as humanely. Try having them do manual labor such as road repair and assisting in the construction of buildings. This would also help you save up on money, because you don't have to pay prisoners. Also, although I wouldn't recommend it, you could give your prisoners an alternate route instead of jail; serving a year in the military. This would ensure you a way to bring in new soldiers. But like I said, I wouldn't recommend doing that, since you'll be giving murderers and rapists guns.

Alex K. Nordolf, Official Ambassador for the European Islands, 2007

Official Dominion of Vetaka Diplomatic Message:

To: The Slave Trade Union
From: Vetakan Foreign Affairs

The Dominion of Vetaka I accept is leading the fight to abolish Slavery however. The Dominion of Vetaka is doing this in a Peaceful and Diplomatic approach we have no will to cause conflict and bloodshed on the subject of Slavery.

The Dominion of Vetaka along with her allies around the world understand Slavery is somtimes nessary in order to boost an Economy that is why Vetaka is on the eve of launching a Worldwide Protocal on the subject of Slavery. The Protocal we hope will be accepted and adapted by all sides in argument and we also feel The Slave Traders and now this Union has a very important part to play. The Dominon of Vetaka is realistic in its campaign and like I say understand that Slavery in some nations is the life blood. I request that you allow The Dominion of Vetaka to present the Protocal to you so that you may mull it over and hopefully accept it.

The Dominion of Vetaka has no intent to cause a Conflict

Yours Vetakan President Roxanne Wright
Our government officially backs the Vetakan position in this regard. Your excuse, that you don't use these slaves in your own land but trade them abroad to help your economy, works no better for you in our eyes than it did for Strator. It is still wrong, and we shall oppose it by whatever means we and our allies deem appropriate.
But you need not succumb to paranoia, yet anyway. At present, we are only interested in the Kingdom of Llanoran's sincere consideration of the Conference's resulting Protocols. Doing so will earn you much more credibility with us, and at present you need this most of all.

To Wagdog,
We refuse to succomb to yet another moralist nation sticking their do-good noses into other peoples business. And just for the record, i was making no exuses for our policy on slavery. If enough nations sign up to the proposed union it is our full intention to go ahead with it. Anything less and we might as well give up our sovreignty.

Reagrds
King Owain of Llanoran

To Wagdog,
We refuse to succomb to yet another moralist nation sticking their do-good noses into other peoples business. And just for the record, i was making no exuses for our policy on slavery. If enough nations sign up to the proposed union it is our full intention to go ahead with it. Anything less and we might as well give up our sovreignty.

Reagrds
King Owain of Llanoran

If that is your decision and you will not change it, then I see no other choice. King Owain of Llanoran, the people of the Disputed Territories of the European Islands officially declare war on your kingdom, along with any other nation part of the Slave Trade Union. We will not stand by and watch you treat human beings like living tools, whether they're prisoners or not.

Until you agree to disband the Union and abolish slave trading in your nation, we will continue armed attacks on your people. If you would like to discuss this matter further, telegram me at The European Islands in Europe. However, I see no other way to end this conflict besides disbanding and abolishing.

Alex K. Nordolf, Official Ambassador for the European Islands, 2007

Mr Nordolf,
If you would pay attention then you would soon realise that there is - at present - no such union. You have threatened to attack my people, who have absolutely nothing to do with slavery. You are far less of a man than I, if you are willing to kill innocents because of a mere idea of it's government. Your governments lack of diplomacy will one day lead to your downfall I am sure.

King Owain of Llanoran

The Roguis Agentis Have been a part of the slave trade in this world for centuries. Many other the one we buy go on to lead great lives and Agents of death. If you so wish to bring swift death to yourself with your words then please do by all means show the first sign of Hostile action. Because by noons end you will be dead Mr. Nordolf.


Signed
Agies- Grandmaster of The Roguis Agentis

To All Nations,
In light of recent events concerning the threatening actions of anti-slavery states, i call upon all slave trading nations to join me in forging a union. This union will have two aims:

1: To preserve the slave trade and ensure that all members are supplied with the slaves they need, to fulfill their own domestic and economic objectives.

2: To stand united against the belligerent anti-slavery states who are hell bent on making war with us. This union will primerily be concerned with preserving the peace, but let it be known, the union shall retalliate aginst any unprovoked acts of war together, as one.

I recognize that such a union has been attempted in the past and was squandered. This is why the Union shall not be born until at least 10 nations have joined. I am fully commited to this and am placing it number one on my list of government priorities. I eagerly await a positive response.

Kind Regards
King Owain of Llanoran
OOC: If you accept Future Tech nations, I'm in.

IC: (Publicly transmitted, for all you warmongerers)
King Owain of Llanoran,
The Commonwealth of Nephtali can stand alone, but to preserve a base of like-minded nations in these belligerent times, we find that it is a strong move to publicy ally ourselves with other peaceful nations who value national sovereignty. Consider the Nephtali your first signatory.
-Chancellor Cincinattus

encrypted message to Agies of The Black Agents
To Agies,
I thank you for your support against this war-monger. Can i take this suport as a pledge to join? On the condition that i can fill he quota of 10 nations also willing to pledge of course.

Kind Regards
King Owain of Llanoran

To Chancellor Cincinattus,
I am gratefull for your support and your endorsement of national sovreignty.

Kind Regards
King Owain of Llanoran

Mr Nordolf,
If you would pay attention then you would soon realise that there is - at present - no such union. You have threatened to attack my people, who have absolutely nothing to do with slavery. You are far less of a man than I, if you are willing to kill innocents because of a mere idea of it's government. Your governments lack of diplomacy will one day lead to your downfall I am sure.

King Owain of Llanoran

I admit, I chose my words poorly. We will not fire on innocent civilians, but we will attack your government and military forces. And what does it matter if the Union has not been born yet? If you are already recruiting nations for it, then it might as well already be a faction.

I also find it interesting that I am, in your own words, "far less of a man" than you are. Don't forget that you're the one who would sell a human being for some copper coins. I tried to give you alternate solutions of using your country's convicts to help the economy and the environment, but you insulted me and my allies and rejected my ideas.

SIC
To: King Owain of Llanoran
From: Emperor Black

We support you on this issue and believe that the other nations that cannot understand the situation at hand are oppressive and violent. They are scum that do not grasp what the concept of humanity is. Slaves are worthless and should not even be recognized as humans for their disgusting and vile nature. Sterilization and work is the only possible recourse to make their pitiful lives complete. Harsh treatment is up to the owners, but our slaves are better treated then citizens and humans in other countries, they have no right to make decisions about government when we are on our own sovereign land.

To Emperor Black,
I am pleased that i can count on your support. We need only another 6 nations for this historic nation to be born. What we are doing is important for national sovreignty and giving a chance for developing powers such as ourselves to stand up to these vulgar bullies who cannot stand to see us going against their will.

Kind Regards
King Owain of Llanoran

I admit, I chose my words poorly. We will not fire on innocent civilians, but we will attack your government and military forces. And what does it matter if the Union has not been born yet? If you are already recruiting nations for it, then it might as well already be a faction.

I also find it interesting that I am, in your own words, "far less of a man" than you are. Don't forget that you're the one who would sell a human being for some copper coins. I tried to give you alternate solutions of using your country's convicts to help the economy and the environment, but you insulted me and my allies and rejected my ideas.

The Chancellor issues a warning to The European Islands:
"Although no agreement has yet been formed, consider this a warning. Any attack on the sovereignty of a nation concerning this treaty will draw us into the war. The Commonwealth loves peace. Do not force our hand, humans."

Statement by the Grand Duchy of Aunesia

We utterly condemn this irresponsible organisation and any and all nations participating within it who are willing to use force to continue to participate in the barbaric inhumane and uncivilised practice of slavery whilst refusing to participate in a peaceful and open discussion on slavery.

Any and all nations agreeing to participate within this organisation may be the subject of a wide-ranging blockade and embargo upon your nations. Any assets of your nation or its government members and any assets traceable to the slave trade which are located within the Grand Duchy will be seized and frozen until such time as you renounce the practice of slavery.

The Grand Duchy reaffirms its total commitment to an eventual peaceful, global abolition of slavery through a process of economic reform and support, and would urge nations who likewise wish to see an end to slavery to refrain from military action. We would like to make clear our total support for the documents currently being written by the Dominion of Vetaka and would strongly advise and urge any nation wishing to join this Union to instead wait for its publication and the measures contained within it, as membership of this union may well affect the economic benefits you may be afforded.

Public statement by Emperor Black on the issue of the Grand Duchy of Aunesia

"I can not believe that the Grand Duchy of Aunesia has gone this far to be a hyper interventionalistic nation in matters that are clearly not about or on their sovereign soil. This threat is a dishonor and criminal action by the leaders of Grand Duchy of Aunesia and is absolutely pitiful at trying to resolve any issue with a means other then force. They use the term barbaric to describe the practice, but are ready at the drop of a hat to begin hostilies and subject their people to a fight that I doubt they wish to engage in because of the belief of a few psychos in office. The pride displayed is terrible and is a threat against the advancement of the world. They are evil and prideful, much in the way the nazis were to the world in the 1930s. Smoldering hatred seeking for an easy way to be released. I condemn Aunesia and its leaders for their brazen threats and call for action on a non-issue such as this."

http://www.kimbly.com/blog/pics/propaganda.jpg

Statement by the Grand Duchy of Aunesia

We utterly condemn this irresponsible organisation and any and all nations participating within it who are willing to use force to continue to participate in the barbaric inhumane and uncivilised practice of slavery whilst refusing to participate in a peaceful and open discussion on slavery.

Any and all nations agreeing to participate within this organisation will be the subject of a wide-ranging blockade and embargo upon your nations, any assets of your nation or its government members and any assets traceable to the slave trade which are located within the Grand Duchy will be seized and frozen until such time as you renounce the practice of slavery.

The Grand Duchy reaffirms its total commitment to an eventual peaceful, global abolition of slavery through a process of economic reform and support, and would urge nations who likewise wish to see an end to slavery to refrain from military action. We would like to make clear our total support for the documents currently being written by the Dominion of Vetaka and would strongly advise and urge any nation wishing to join this Union to instead wait for its publication and the measures contained within it, as membership of this union may well affect the economic benefits you may be afforded.

The Chancellor's Response:
"When the Grand Duchy is threatened with invasion, we will see what they respond with? Hmm? It is a said day when our products hold more intelligence than the leader of a human nation. No nation considering this treaty has threatened the use of force. Only when warmongering nations have threatened with military force have any "slaver" nations responded with a promise of defensive force. The Commonwealth laughs at your hypocrisy."

The Chancellor issues a warning to The European Islands:
"Although no agreement has yet been formed, consider this a warning. Any attack on the sovereignty of a nation concerning this treaty will draw us into the war. The Commonwealth loves peace. Do not force our hand, humans."

Or what? You'll complain that you're being attacked, then turn to your buddies? Forgive us if we don't need a change of underwear.

Or what? You'll complain that you're being attacked, then turn to your buddies? Forgive us if we don't need a change of underwear.

OOC: That can't be IC. Seriously McPsychoville if you can't play and RP or do anything to help the thread just stop posting here.

Response to The Empire of Eralineta

The Grand Duchy of Aunesia would like to assist Emperor Black by informing him of the factual inaccuracies he seems to have made during his recent speech, so that he might have the opportunity to retract his fallacious statement.

Firstly, at no time in this process have we made threats towards slaving nations of a militaristic nature. We are not, as he put it, "willing to begin hostilities at the drop of a hat". Nor is it the case that this anti-slavery agenda is being imposed upon the Aunesian citizens.

A recent poll conducted within the nation by the Strando Evening Express, revealed the support of 93.5% of Aunesian citizens for the actions of the Grand Duchess, with 3.5% believing she had not gone far enough, and that we should be engaged in military action.

As for the claim that slavery is an internal affair on sovereign territory, in which we have no right to interfere - this is a fallacy. Slavery breaches the Human Rights of persons and these rights are inviolable. They are not for governments to award, or remove. They are there by right of birth as human beings and the Grand Duchy of Aunesia will not stand idly by without attempting to bring an end to the suffering of many millions of people.

We would urge Emperor Black to review his stance on slavery and begin instead to act in accordance with the principle and message of the posters he has had commissioned.



OOC: Any FT nations are not relevant to any RP post I make, so sorry, but I won't reply.

Or what? You'll complain that you're being attacked, then turn to your buddies? Forgive us if we don't need a change of underwear.

"Such a dignified response. I see a great level of culture in your nation. And to respond to your attempt at a statement; no, we will not turn to friends. If the Commonwealth or a nation considering this treaty are attacked for reasons relating to the issues at hand, we will respond with defensive force."

OOC: @Aunesia: So sorry you don't RP with everyone. But unfortunately, I am a signatory of this treaty and I am earth-based. So you'd best not get involved, or I will be forced to do the same.
PS: You might want to rein-in your Mcpsychoville buddy. He's a tad wanktastic and seems to have already recognized my nation, meaning he can't use the "I don't recognize FT" cop-out.

From the Holy Empire of Xiscapia
To all slave opposed nations in this thread
Though the Empire of Xiscapia condones slavery and does not use slaves though never will, I urge you to reconsider your threats. A large loss of human life will occur if war comes, and it will solve nothing. Slavery will continue, sadly, no matter what we do. Uless you can isolate a few nations and abolish slavery, making their followers do also, this will be pointless and bloody.
From the Holy Emporor of Xiscapia,
Foxfire

OOC: WHOA! Slow down Aunesia how can over 95% of your people suggest going to war with nations over this? It is unrealistic from a conventional means. Please give me more info before I make another post. This just does not seem possible unless your government style is corrupt, oppressive or blatently lying.

OOC: That can't be IC. Seriously McPsychoville if you can't play and RP or do anything to help the thread just stop posting here.

[Right, you're really pissing me off now. Let me see if this gets through your thick skull.

EVERYTHING OUTSIDE THE SQUARE BRACKETS IS IN CHARACTER. IT DOES NOT NEED TO BE IN THE FORM OF A LETTER, OR A FORMAL ANNOUNCEMENT OR ANYTHING TO BE RP. THIS IS HOW I DO THINGS CASUALLY, WHEN THERE'S NOTHING SPECIFIC FOR ME TO GO INTO - SEE THE BOMBER CREW? THAT'S HOW I WRITE WHEN I HAVE SOMETHING SPECIFIC. NOW KINDLY FUCK OFF IF YOU AREN'T GOING TO DO ANYTHING THAN WHINE ABOUT ME.

Nephtali: PS: You might want to rein-in your Mcpsychoville buddy. He's a tad wanktastic and seems to have already recognized my nation, meaning he can't use the "I don't recognize FT" cop-out.

Ah, didn't notice you were future tech. I'm MT, possibly PMT, and I don't think FT has a place here. If the other members of the anti-slavery union agree it's alright, I'm not going to complain.]

I am not suggesting that we declare war on slavery across the globe, I am suggesting we blockade the Union members to stop them from trading this slaves until they agree to abolish the practice in their countries. The Union members endorse slavery, and threaten those who disagree with it. I'm not going to wait for Vedeka to finish writing a letter while the Black Agents are pointing guns at my head. Besides, from the behavior shown here today, I doubt they will listen. It's time to take action!

The previous Slave Traders' Union was not 'squandered' - it was squashed. The formation of this union is simply painting a bull's-eye on your back for those militaristic nations eager to find a moral reason to slaughter tens of thousands of your people.

Kesshite's current official policy is to remain separate from alliances and unions, as they tend to be lightening rods for warmongering and fanaticism. This union is no exception. I do appreciate your country's right to sovereignty and self-governance, and hope you understand to what extent you are endangering these rights by suggesting the formation of a Slave Traders' Union.

Yours,
Minister Havez
[Kayyat Province Seal]

OOC: @ Nephtali - It is not a cop out, and I am unsure if he is even aware of your FT nature, and I have no right to tell him what to do anyway. I will ignore any participation of yours in what is, to my knowledge an MT thread. Likewise for any FT nation, earth-based or not. You choose to RP in a different time/tech to me...how would an interaction be possible? It is purely for that reason, and not a response to an IC portrayal.

@ Eralineta, read the thread properly. 93.5% agree with the Grand Duchess' current actions - peaceful diplomatic pressure and economic assistance. Only 3.5% think we should use military action. I apologise if the wording is unclear to you, although I fail to see how.

From the Holy Empire of Xiscapia
To all slave opposed nations in this thread
Though the Empire of Xiscapia condones slavery and does not use slaves though never will, I urge you to reconsider your threats. A large loss of human life will occur if war comes, and it will solve nothing. Slavery will continue, sadly, no matter what we do. Uless you can isolate a few nations and abolish slavery, making their followers do also, this will be pointless and bloody.
From the Holy Emporor of Xiscapia,
Foxfire

Public statement by Emperor Black about the Holy Empire of Xiscapia

"The support of Eralineta rests in the wise and rational wisdom of the Holy Empire of Xiscapia. They are definately wise enough to know the reprecussions of a senseless war over a few thousand lives that will ultimately serve as an end for both sides and no winner could ever possibly be declared. Such useless fights are superficial to the real issue."

I would like to retract my earlier statements about our decision to go to war. We will not be participating in any armed conflict with the Union. Our government has discussed it through-and-through with every factor in mind, and decided that the best decision would be to wait for Vedeka's document to be released before taking any action, armed or otherwise.

However, we will not tolerate death threats, and because of those, we are still placing our troops on secondary alert. We encourage any other anti-slavery nations to do this, as well. For your safety.

Alex K. Nordolf, Official Ambassador for the European Islands, 2007

McPsychoville:
"[Right, you're really pissing me off now. Let me see if this gets through your thick skull.

EVERYTHING OUTSIDE THE SQUARE BRACKETS IS IN CHARACTER. IT DOES NOT NEED TO BE IN THE FORM OF A LETTER, OR A FORMAL ANNOUNCEMENT OR ANYTHING TO BE RP. THIS IS HOW I DO THINGS CASUALLY, WHEN THERE'S NOTHING SPECIFIC FOR ME TO GO INTO - SEE THE BOMBER CREW? THAT'S HOW I WRITE WHEN I HAVE SOMETHING SPECIFIC. NOW KINDLY FUCK OFF IF YOU AREN'T GOING TO DO ANYTHING THAN WHINE ABOUT ME."

((OOC:

The player of Kesshite formally endorses Eralineta's view that McPsychoville shouldn't be posting to this thread, and adds that she has no interest RPing with such a childish and rude player.

A recent poll of her nation suggests that 11045% of her imaginary followers agree, with 55% saying she ought to report the above post to a mod in the hopes that they wash McPsycho's mouth out with soap.))

Aunesia:
" OOC: @ Nephtali - It is not a cop out, and I am unsure if he is even aware of your FT nature, and I have no right to tell him what to do anyway. I will ignore any participation of yours in what is, to my knowledge an MT thread. Likewise for any FT nation, earth-based or not. You choose to RP in a different time/tech to me...how would an interaction be possible? It is purely for that reason, and not a response to an IC portrayal. "

((OOC:
The starter of this thread is aware that Nephtali is an FT nation and had no problem letting him into the Union. However, the thread starter has only began this month so might not realize the problems with doing such))

TO: The Disputed Territories of The European Islands

The Grand Duchy of Aunesia would like to state its support for your decision to participate in the peaceful use of diplomatic and economic pressure and refraining from entering into military action. Your actions are laudable.

Yours,

Andrew Short,
Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs

I would like to retract my earlier statements about our decision to go to war. We will not be participating in any armed conflict with the Union. Our government has discussed it through-and-through with every factor in mind, and decided that the best decision would be to wait for Vedeka's document to be released before taking any action, armed or otherwise.

However, we will not tolerate death threats, and because of those, we are still placing our troops on secondary alert. We encourage any other anti-slavery nations to do this, as well. For your safety.

Alex K. Nordolf, Official Ambassador for the European Islands, 2007

"A reasonable and well thought decision. We congratulate you. However, we must encourage you to not resort to any use of force, economic or military, in the future. You have shown intelligence thus far, and we suggest you continue to do so by taking your leave of this affair and not becoming involved. Our warning still stands, that we will use force if the Commonwealth or another signatory of this treaty is attacked."

OOC: @ Nephtali - It is not a cop out, and I am unsure if he is even aware of your FT nature, and I have no right to tell him what to do anyway. I will ignore any participation of yours in what is, to my knowledge an MT thread. Likewise for any FT nation, earth-based or not. You choose to RP in a different time/tech to me...how would an interaction be possible? It is purely for that reason, and not a response to an IC portrayal.

@ Eralineta, read the thread properly. 93.5% agree with the Grand Duchess' current actions - peaceful diplomatic pressure and economic assistance. Only 3.5% think we should use military action. I apologise if the wording is unclear to you, although I fail to see how.

OOC: Alright...but cutting off like that is usually open hostilities. A few minor exceptions like Cuba are the only times I don't remember it ever turn into war.

IC:

http://www.maopost.com/postm/1112-001M.jpg

Eralineta's Head of Economic Affairs - Mr. Khan

"We have only poor ties with this nation anyways, their blockade however if they choose to impose one in our sovereign waters they shall be met with swift resistance and Eralineta will not be responsible for any lost of life or accidents that happen moving into our waters is an act of war and we shall reply in kind."

((OOC: To clarify, I accept FT nations may be participating in this thread, I just won't recognise them, for obvious reasons.

OOC: Alright...but cutting off like that is usually open hostilities. A few minor exceptions like Cuba are the only times I don't remember it ever turn into war.
@ Eralineta - Please try and keep OOC and IC separate in your mind))

((OOC: To clarify, I accept FT nations may be participating in this thread, I just won't recognise them, for obvious reasons.

@ Eralineta - Please try and keep OOC and IC separate in your mind))

OOC: I am, but a blockade IS an act of war and aggression on the economic nation such as ours. In all seriousness if you do this it will cripple our economy and that alone is an act of war. While we have no economic ties with your nation ours won't be bullied around.

((OOC:

The player of Kesshite formally endorses Eralineta's view that McPsychoville shouldn't be posting to this thread, and adds that she has no interest RPing with such a childish and rude player.

A recent poll of her nation suggests that 11045% of her imaginary followers agree, with 55% saying she ought to report the above post to a mod in the hopes that they wash McPsycho's mouth out with soap.))

[Do me a favour, go back and read the original thread this came from, I believe it was the "Slave Request" thread. In there, Eralineta decided that nothing I wrote was actually roleplaying despite my explanation and just generally pissed me off. Also in there, you'd see a specific piece of roleplaying related to the crew of a bomber; it illustrated my point above that that was how I wrote when I had a specific situation to write about. You can go ahead and report the post to the mods, I'm not really bothered, but the point I'm trying to make is simply that Eralineta is whining about my posts while not actually contributing anything of his or her own. Hell, you can think me childish and rude, warmongering as well, many people have, but at least I can back all this up when I write.]

"A reasonable and well thought decision. We congratulate you. However, we must encourage you to not resort to any use of force, economic or military, in the future. You have shown intelligence thus far, and we suggest you continue to do so by taking your leave of this affair and not becoming involved. Our warning still stands, that we will use force if the Commonwealth or another signatory of this treaty is attacked."

Although we agree not to engage in warfare with the Union, we will still maintain our position that this faction should not be formed, and that slavery should be abolished in all countries. But since that goal will obviously never be accomplished, we'll settle for putting pressure on nations that do endorse slave trading.

Alex K. Nordolf, Official Ambassador for the European Islands, 2007

OOC: Quite true, thank you and apologies. The blockade threat has been lessened and I haven't yet established one on you. Keep an eye out for the protocols later, as you mention your nation's economic weaknesses

Although we agree not to engage in warfare with the Union, we will still maintain our position that this faction should not be formed, and that slavery should be abolished in all countries. But since that goal will obviously never be accomplished, we'll settle for putting pressure on nations that do endorse slave trading.

Alex K. Nordolf, Official Ambassador for the European Islands, 2007

"You have every right to do so. It is good that you have seen that war is not the way. Our views may differ, but for now you have earned a small amount of respect from the Commonwealth."

OOC: Incase you didn't see the thread (it is not linked), but we're a small nation cut off from the rest of the world by dense forest if not by sea. We do not have a public airport built yet and it is growing rapidly. The sea is the livelyhood of our nation and one large port serves as this (Large meaning it can take 2 cargo ships at once in port (which it really isn't)).

Thread:
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=521487

A blockade would cripple the industry by a complete 100%. That would be it if it was successful. Our military sea based consists of small jet skis with .50 cal guns. Turkey shoot wouldn't even apply to the slaughter that would happen if we tried to defend ourselves. That should have been made clear though by my military page in my sig. Its a main reason we are so opposed, but we will not spare any forces to assist the others, as we cannot take a single cruiser attack alone.

To the Honorable Mr. Khan,

I have recently been made aware of a situation brewing between you and the Duchess Elizabeth of Aunesia, specifically the possible creation of a naval blockade around your country. I am unable to render military assistance, but Kesshite has dealt with such actions in the past and, as such, as a ready and willing base of seaman able to smuggle certain goods pass such blockades.

Please contact me if you are in need of such aid, which would be acquired free of service in return for trade concessions in the future.

Yours,
Seg. Gural
[Sightless Eye Seal]

We of F1 Insanity are interested in joining other pro-slavery nations to exercise our right to hold slaves.

The data on F1 available to me suggests that F1 does not engage in slave trading as much as legalized rape. As a nation that ethically engages in compulsorily labor, we are insulted that our practice would be equated with the actions of a nation whose leader has admitted he simply picks attractive women at a whim and forces them to serve him sexually for up to three years.

Minister Havez
[Kayyat Province Seal]

Likewise for any FT nation, earth-based or not. You choose to RP in a different time/tech to me...how would an interaction be possible?

-OOC-
I blame Indra. </FT Joke>

This is why on the previous Mekanta, I maintained "Underpact" (IC MT) forces, and here I even have a sub-nation previously introduced whose pages in my factbook has been entirely neglected.

The ONLY FT element exists as the head of state and the environmental modifications of his place of residence, and only exists as a justification for a terra- err, human nation doing very Mekantan (read as: evil from a human perspective) things and being un-diplomatic and insulting in communications. There's NO risk of Neo-Mekanta getting involved, save through plot device, so 'tis all normal MT.

-IC-
-Overlord's Palace, Earthfall Island

Rhichard took a deep breath as he quietly knocked on the blackened oak door to his nation's fearless (and morally unburdened) dictator. Last time he failed to knock, his first day, he was fortunate enough to limp away with just his arm broken in six places and a screwdriver lodged in his shoulder. ... And the mental scars of having seen his lord covered in blood, a woman with no skin and a knife lodged in her skull, and a very scared child singing a song from some old Disney movie while the lord played Donkey Kong.

At least over the last seven years Rhichard had worked for the "elected" Overlord (for life) he stopped throwing up, or even feeling very nausious when the lord requested he fetch someone to clean up whatever mess he made in his incessant attempts to turn living beings into works of art that pleased his inhuman tastes. That, he supposed, was the problem with having a lord who was quite literally inhuman.

"Enter..." He heard a voice hiss from behind the door, sighing as he steeled himself for whatever abominable act involving three young girls, metal stakes, and an oversized pair of scissors his lord had committed this time.

He was pleasantly surprised to see no corpses, however, though quite worried until he noticed a human-looking figure sitting in a leather chair in front of a television, staring at the static that filled the screen. "Overlord Kaerek, I have news for you." Rhichard said, taking a few cautious steps into the room and looking at the celing, just in case his lord had suspended a corpse up there... again...

"{To speak.}" The figure in the chair hissed in a strange language, turning to look at Rhichard. The green bands on his cheeks, from his eyes to his chin, wasn't of much note, nor were the icy blue eyes locked on the blond-haired aide. The fact that they were both glowing slightly, however, could be slightly unnerving to visitors to the Overlord's palace.

"M'lord, I'm afraid I still don't speak Mekantan."

"Speak!" Kaerek bellowed, his eyes flashing slightly brighter for a moment. "I am wanting hear of this... news..." With that, he turned back to the screen, and whatever he found so interesting about the static, leaving Rhichard to just sigh.

"M'lord, a group of nations has been showing hostility toward members of the slave trade. Another band of nations is seeking to, shall we say, support the trade."

"Of mattering why?"

"... Do you not keep slaves, Overlord Kaerek?"

"No." Kaerek turned again, eyes narrowing. "Keeping livestock not-being keeping slaves."

"The anti-slavers would disagree, m'lord, given your definition of livestock tends to coinicide with their definition of slavery."

"I have no caring."

Rhichard stood silent a moment, realizing he really should have seen this comming. "M'lord, it's likely that when they learn, they will declare war upon us."

Kaerek slowly turned, a smile slowly spreading across his face. "War? {Of war to be truth. Of war to be life. Of war to be joy. Of low-beings to suffer to be great-loved. Of pain of humans to be of wine. Of death of humans to be of beer. To be drunk of war.}"

"I have a feeling I should be very glad I have no clue what you just said." Rhichard said softly, recalling the other times it took an appeal to the Overlord's bloodlust to spur him to action.

"Ready a message. I am having of talk with these slavers."

"Yes, great Overlord." The aide bowed, making a note to proofread the message and correct the inevitable mistakes in grammar spawned his lord's atrocious grasp of the English language.


-Official Communication from Earthfall Island
No encryption.

Attention pathetic beings.

The Exile Dictatorship of Earthfall Island hears your feeble complaints against those who would end your trade in humans. Human life is worthless, you creatures are born and die so quickly it is the act of a fool to consider a terran life meaningful.

Though you are inferior creatures, I am not without mercy, for your desires for the protection of the trade work with my own.

Consider the might of Earthfall Island behind you, feeble ones.

-Kaerek math Lyaxeth, Overlord of Earthfall Island

To all nations,
My proposal of a slave trade union has become an initial success with only four nations required to forge this great union.

Reading the responses of anti-slavery nations, i can see that you are weak and lack real conviction for the cause you claim to fight, with your only real aim to start a war with a small nation.

To all nations supporting this union, including the slightly unorthadox - yet honourable- Neo-Mekanta, i thank and applaud you for taking a stand against those who challenge our national sovreignty. I can only hope our desires of a union can be fulfilled. I would also like to apologise for any inaccuracies in this message. I have, afterall, been drinking all night.

Kind Kind Kind Regards

King Owain of Llanoran

To all nations,
My proposal of a slave trade union has become an initial success with only four nations required to forge this great union.

Reading the responses of anti-slavery nations, i can see that you are weak and lack real conviction for the cause you claim to fight, with your only real aim to start a war with a small nation.

To all nations supporting this union, including the slightly unorthadox - yet honourable- Neo-Mekanta, i thank and applaud you for taking a stand against those who challenge our national sovreignty. I can only hope our desires of a union can be fulfilled. I would also like to apologise for any inaccuracies in this message. I have, afterall, been drinking all night.

Kind Kind Kind Regards

King Owain of Llanoran

I see ignorance is bliss in your lands, King Owain. If you would've taken the time to find out what the Anti-slavery Alliance stood for, you wouldn't be calling us war-mongering savages. Instead it appears you prefer to make up your own facts and spread this propaganda to all the members of the Union.

Our nation has abandoned our plans on using military force against the union, and instead are interested in using diplomacy to stop this matter. However, if I'd known you were going to be such an ignorant bigot about the subject, I would've gladly sent a team of snipers to attend your next public speaking. Nonetheless, I will still try to stay diplomatic about the issue until one of the Union fires the first shots.

Joseph Arnarson, Ambassador and President of the European Islands, 2007

To Mr Arnarson,
Rest assured President Arnarson, no shots shall be fired by any member of the proposed union until a member is fired upon first. It is clearly in your intrests to sit back and let this union - and the free transportation of slaves, continue. The proposed union has- and never will- pose a threat to your nation. You would benefit from staying out of this issue and trying to help your own people.

Kind Regards
King Owain of Llanoran

To all nations,
My proposal of a slave trade union has become an initial success with only four nations required to forge this great union.

Reading the responses of anti-slavery nations, i can see that you are weak and lack real conviction for the cause you claim to fight, with your only real aim to start a war with a small nation.

To all nations supporting this union, including the slightly unorthadox - yet honourable- Neo-Mekanta, i thank and applaud you for taking a stand against those who challenge our national sovreignty. I can only hope our desires of a union can be fulfilled. I would also like to apologise for any inaccuracies in this message. I have, afterall, been drinking all night.

Kind Kind Kind Regards

King Owain of Llanoran

Minister of forgin affairs: Kyle Braham
To: King Owain of Llanoran

Who is it that you call weak? and who do you claim shows lack of conviction?, These insults are as insignificant as is your nation and what it stands for.

It is not our goal as larger nations to "Pick" on you, or threaten to invade just as an easy victory for us, it is what you are doing that upsets those who do not use the manpower of a slave. I am against this movement and will speak with others on what course of action will be taken, slavery is WRONG and illegal in many places around the world, Osteia hasn't used them sence Ancient times when they were nessasary to the empire...and that was just the way it was BACK THEN.

The Kingdom of Osteia will not just sit back and watch this happen, it is you that is weak and show complete disreguard for humanity....i can tell you this,if keep this up your nation will be forced into submission and occupyed by forgin forces, you will see.

Minister of forgin affairs,

Kyle Braham

OOC: This is not a declaration of war, it was just somthing i had to get off my chest hehe

I see ignorance is bliss in your lands, King Owain. If you would've taken the time to find out what the Anti-slavery Alliance stood for, you wouldn't be calling us war-mongering savages. Instead it appears you prefer to make up your own facts and spread this propaganda to all the members of the Union.

Our nation has abandoned our plans on using military force against the union, and instead are interested in using diplomacy to stop this matter. However, if I'd known you were going to be such an ignorant bigot about the subject, I would've gladly sent a team of snipers to attend your next public speaking. Nonetheless, I will still try to stay diplomatic about the issue until one of the Union fires the first shots.

Joseph Arnarson, Ambassador and President of the European Islands, 2007

Emperor Black's response:

"We take a duel-standing in this matter and we see no obligation to either side in the matter of military action. Military action over such a non-issue is the premise of a weak and fearful government. I propose that no nation raises arms against either of the alliances unless they wish to first fight their own members within the jurisdiction of their branch after passing their own legislative branch to take military action. In a way this will prevent a rogue nation from attacking by forcing each member to lay their claim and reasons down, then the collective decides. If ignored all members of either alliance shall stricken them from the pact and break off ties. Serious consequences for serious actions."

To Mr Arnarson,
Rest assured President Arnarson, no shots shall be fired by any member of the proposed union until a member is fired upon first. It is clearly in your intrests to sit back and let this union - and the free transportation of slaves, continue. The proposed union has- and never will- pose a threat to your nation. You would benefit from staying out of this issue and trying to help your own people.

Kind Regards
King Owain of Llanoran

You aren't setting in the office at my nation. I suggest you avoid telling me what is good for me if you want to continue pretending you're the victim here. Now, onto business; I have said many, many times that I will not sit back and watch you and your Union treat human beings like tools. If you're looking for a way to dispose your prisoners, you could easily deliver a bullet to their heads. I'm not justifying the things they did, but are we any better than those rapists if we treat them like lesser beings? After all, that is what they did to their victims; they violated their human rights and treated them like lesser beings.

To Mr Braham,
You are yet another in a series of well-to-do nations making petty threats. The nations allied with me on this isue weild great power and you would do well to not interfere. You also fail to point out that slavery is wrong in your opionion. just because you dissapprive of another nations ideas, that does not give you the right to actively oppose it. I hope you can bring yourself to put your toy guns aside for the time being and adopt a sensible laissez-faire policy.

Regards
King Owain of Llanoran

To Mr Braham,
You are yet another in a series of well-to-do nations making petty threats. The nations allied with me on this isue weild great power and you would do well to not interfere. You also fail to point out that slavery is wrong in your opionion. just because you dissapprive of another nations ideas, that does not give you the right to actively oppose it. I hope you can bring yourself to put your toy guns aside for the time being and adopt a sensible laissez-faire policy.

Regards
King Owain of Llanoran

And it's your opinion that slavery is right, and yet you insult all of us and make petty war threats against us. What is your point?

Joseph Arnarson, Ambassador and President of the European Islands, 2007

To all nations,
I wish to make another request for all slave trading nations to join the slave trade union. We only need four (or more) more nations who respect national sovriegnty to sign up. I have personal experience of trading with at least five nations who are yet to pledge to this historic proposal. I thank all those who have taken time to read this notice, and I must now retire to my sleeping quarters.

Regrads
King Owain of Llanoran

To Mr Braham,
You are yet another in a series of well-to-do nations making petty threats. The nations allied with me on this isue weild great power and you would do well to not interfere. You also fail to point out that slavery is wrong in your opionion. just because you dissapprive of another nations ideas, that does not give you the right to actively oppose it. I hope you can bring yourself to put your toy guns aside for the time being and adopt a sensible laissez-faire policy.

Regards
King Owain of Llanoran

Minister of forgin affairs: Kyle Braham
To: King Owain

To make it perfectly clear,

We are not scared of your allies if you think your little threat made us nervous, because WE also have allies..you do not want to go there with us all due respect. Even those who practice slavery know it is wrong to do so, BUT! they still do it, so opinions matter not here my friend! IT IS WRONG. Also i would like to add there were NO direct threats from Osteia to your nation, if we had threatened you, we would already have a fleet heading for your coast ready to face what ever "Opposition" you personally had to offer, Your majesty....

Signed, Minister of forgin affairs,

Kyle Braham

As the Roguis Agentis are a direct fundatory of The Raven Corporation. Our Grand master Agies, has Direct command of the SF ( Security Forces ) troopers that are currently being upgraded. As I am sure many of you know Raven corps holds substantial amounts of military might all over the world. As well as the ability to ASAP deploy mass forces around the world do to its large land holding around the world. And with Raven corps, The Kraven Corporation is not to far behind , as the two are at a constant jockey for power. As war only serves to strengthen them it would not be in your best interest to begin hostile action Agiant Roguis Agentis Assets and Slave routes.


Signed

Master Agent 3 of Roguis Agentis - Raven corps Contact.

As the Roguis Agentis are a direct fundatory of The Raven Corporation. Our Grand master Agies, has Direct command of the SF ( Security Forces ) troopers that are currently being upgraded. As I am sure many of you know Raven corps holds substantial amounts of military might all over the world. As well as the ability to ASAP deploy mass forces around the world do to its large land holding around the world. And with Raven corps, The Kraven Corporation is not to far behind , as the two are at a constant jockey for power. As war only serves to strengthen them it would not be in your best interest to begin hostile action Agiant Roguis Agentis Assets and Slave routes.


Signed

Master Agent 3 of Roguis Agentis - Raven corps Contact.

Minister of forgin affairs: Kyle Braham
To: The Black Agents

We recognize the power of your mighty nation, also that of Raven and Kraven Corporations. There was no direct threat by the Kingdom of Osteia to the trade of slaves, only discussion on the facts we have concerning the matter, our opinions were also voiced as everyone has the right to do so. No disrespect was intended as we have never had a problem in the past and we wish to remain friendly, however Llanoran has publicly disrespected others for their veiw points against slavery...but of course some practice it, while others despise it, it is the way it has always been.

Signed,

Kyle Braham

From: The Black Agency- Grand master "7"
To: Minister of forgin affairs: Kyle Braham
I hope you will no mistake our message as hostile. The Rogus Agentis is a Rogue sect of our grand and noble society. The Grand master of the Roguis Agentis is named Agies. We are nothing like our blood thirsty counter parts. We have been trying for centuries to eradicate their existence from the world. But they prove to be the most stubbern and difficult to destroy.

If you seek military action against them we offer the best of luck to you. But even with our vast intelligence system we have yet to find the Grand hall of the Roguis Agentis.


Signed:

"7"
Grand master of the Black Agency.

From: The Black Agency- Grand master "7"
To: Minister of forgin affairs: Kyle Braham
I hope you will no mistake our message as hostile. The Rogus Agentis is a Rogue sect of our grand and noble society. The Grand master of the Roguis Agentis is named Agies. We are nothing like our blood thirsty counter parts. We have been trying for centuries to eradicate their existence from the world. But they prove to be the most stubbern and difficult to destroy.

If you seek military action against them we offer the best of luck to you. But even with our vast intelligence system we have yet to find the Grand hall of the Roguis Agentis.


Signed:

"7"
Grand master of the Black Agency.

Minister of forgin affairs: Kyle Braham
To: Grand master of the Black Agency

We have not taken your message as an act of hostillity, we shall remain living in peace together. Our nation knows of your powerful counter-parts as does the rest of the world, we are not interested in tangling with them, not becasue we are scared of their might, simply because it is NOT in our best interest...war brings out the worst in everyone. We recognize you as a noble, civilized society just as we are here in Osteia, as for Llanoran we were voicing an opinion and were shown disrespect in return....it is no way to speak to a diplomat. As for our standing when it comes to the Union and Anti-Union alliance, Osteia has given them friendship, no military aid has been provided....as we like to avoid conflicts that no-one will ever cease, as we see it there will always be slaves in this world..it is one thing to voice ones opinion, another...to goto war over it and if King Owain continues to conduct diplomatic discussion the way he does, his nation will drag all it's allies into a war.

Our very best reguards,

Kyle Braham

In Reply:


From : The Grand master "7"
To: Kyle Braham

We maybe a society of assassins but we have our honor. Something Agies does not have. We are against the trade of Slaves, but we will not openly attack any national leader for it... so long as they maintain a level of civility with their trade..ie: Not beating their slaves or random cruelity. As a peaceful nation we shall honor you as a friend of our Agency. And will always make ourselves avalible to you if the need comes for our services.


Signed

"7"

OOC: I could have a meeting with your leader and my leader.

In Reply:


From : The Grand master "7"
To: Kyle Braham

We maybe a society of assassins but we have our honor. Something Agies does not have. We are against the trade of Slaves, but we will not openly attack any national leader for it... so long as they maintain a level of civility with their trade..ie: Not beating their slaves or random cruelity. As a peaceful nation we shall honor you as a friend of our Agency. And will always make ourselves avalible to you if the need comes for our services.


Signed

"7"

OOC: I could have a meeting with your leader and my leader.

Minister of forgin affairs: Kyle Braham
To: The Grand master "7"

We respect you for your veiws on this subject, his majesty has accepted your formal request to befriend the kingdom of Osteia. In this short time of speaking to one another we find you honorable, respectful and understanding, there is MUCH we can learn from one another and a meeting shall be arranged between our leaders for further discussion.

Signed,

Kyle Braham

OOC: Of course

OOC: if you want you can open another thread... I would prefere it to keep this one clean...lol

OOC: if you want you can open another thread... I would prefere it to keep this one clean...lol


OOC: Of course...with some linkage... http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=521598

We are against the trade of Slaves, but we will not openly attack any national leader for it... so long as they maintain a level of civility with their trade..ie: Not beating their slaves or random cruelity.

-OOC-
If you were future tech, we would have issues. Many, many issues.

Here in modern tech? Significantly fewer issues. In fact, only two issues.

Do prefer going through the whole thing, and do you ignore FT elements?

-IC-
-Overlord's Palace, Earthfall Island
Kaerek growled and snarled as he paced back and forth in front of a window, the glowing bands on his skin fading and returning as he stepped into and out of the natural light filtering in.

"Takassh'za Gumatah," he cursed, looking out the window. "{Of thier lives, to be meaningless. Of their cries to bring joy. Of thier flesh to be delicious. To be of cows among wolves. To have no right to complain...}"

He paused outside the light of the window, growling even deeper than before. The Anti-Slavers were attempting to take the high road, while the Slavers were doing the same. Neither wished to fire the first shot, yet factions on the Anti-Slaver side, according to the reports Rhichard had given him, seemed ready to pounce.

If only there were a way to set things in motion on his terms...

A way to drive the Anti-Slavers into a bloodthirsty frenzy...

... A way that included getting rid of that whiny girl whose parents he slew, enjoyed, and discarded...

Oh, he would have fun with this one...


-Note

A large package has been sent to Osteia, without specific care to the address.

Inside is a girl of twelve years, her arms, and her legs, all in seperate smaller boxes. The girl shows signs of severe beatings, given the fractured ribs and vertibre, and has been raped, apparently with a baseball bat. All four limbs enclosed with the human they were formerly attached to have had thier bones shattered.

Inside is a small note.

Your words have moved me. I shall clear out my slave cellar immediately. Here, take one of my old ones. Unfortunately, her parents have already begun to decay, and I would not wish to soil your no doubt beautiful nation with the scent of decay, regardless of how entertaining thier screams of agony and eventual death were.

Again, thank you for your enlightening words. I now know the error of my ways. I shall now purchase more slaves so I may train myself to feel sorrow at thier deaths instead of the ecstacy I feel now.

The note is anonymous, but there is little effort to disguise the source nation.


-OOC-
Take the bait, don't take the bait, 'tis up to you. Either way, someone else is getting a package clearly inspired by Frankenstein's monster.

Is Strator included in these six nations? as I cannot fully join until I have managed to make agrements with Vetaka and Wagdog, but for now I shall only be a member in the sense that I shall fight to defend other members who might be in need.

To Strata,
I have not included you in the list of nations willing to join the union although i do wish to. As a slave trading nation, this will only benefit you.

Regards
King Owain of Llanoran

To Mr Braham,
If i have been disrespectful to you then please take that as hint that i do not hold the slightest bit of respect for you. I do not exchange pleasantries purely for the sake of it Mr Braham. Make no mistake however, my words have never meant to sound threatening, i was merely warning you against a war, which I stress in the strongest possible terms -we do not want.

King Owain of Llanoran

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TO member nations of The Slave Trade Union
FROM Prime Minister Krystal Kane of Kryozerkia, head of The Anti-Slavery Alliance
SUBJECT Introductions

Good morning,

We are quite sure many of your have already heard of our alliance, and have formed your opinion on the issue. You view the alliance as a threat, and if you do, good because even if we don't bring justice down through the use of force, it will be achieved through economic ruin and destruction.

We don't need to cower behind our armed forces. We stand strong as a united diplomatic force that will bring the union to its knees. Our methods are guaranteed to be highly unorthodox.

You will only be issued a single warning before a non-militaristic campaign of our choice is launched against your nation. What are our plans? If we disclosed it, it would defeat the purpose of having such plans.

Sincerely,
Krystal Kane

To President Kane,
I shall refer to you as 'Gary Glitter' - seeing as you are fond of pseudo names.

We are indeed aware of your little alliance Mr Glitter. We are also aware that it has no teeth - much like the league of nations, destained to fail. I find it sad that national leaders have nothing better to do with their time than band together to force it's unwarranted and unwelcome will on others. Our union is a force for good, it is about helping each other out economicly and - heaven forbid - militarily. Your alliance stands simply to criticize the union and moan about how 'immoral' we are. If that is your only purpose then i welcome your alliance and will expect an invite to it's christmas parties.

Regards
King Owain of Llanoran

To President Kane,
I shall refer to you as 'Gary Glitter' - seeing as you are fond of pseudo names.

We are indeed aware of your little alliance Mr Glitter. We are also aware that it has no teeth - much like the league of nations, destained to fail. I find it sad that national leaders have nothing better to do with their time than band together to force it's unwarranted and unwelcome will on others. Our union is a force for good, it is about helping each other out economicly and - heaven forbid - militarily. Your alliance stands simply to criticize the union and moan about how 'immoral' we are. If that is your only purpose then i welcome your alliance and will expect an invite to it's christmas parties.

Regards
King Owain of Llanoran
Twisting people's names... how quaint. You truly have no legs to stand on if that is your core approach to us. You speak as if we have no teeth, but, surely you have learned not to pull the tiger's tail as a child?

We may appear to have no teeth, but perhaps that is merely a guise.

We have agents working covertly in nations around the globe where we find that their ideology conflicts with ours. Our intelligence agents are more effective than military action.

Propaganda is our biggest tool. It's remnant of the Cold War era we have left behind. Our agents prefer to work with these conditions. War is unfavourable. Covert operations where our agents infiltrate and use the guise of assimilation are preferred amongst our agents at the Kryozerkian Intelligence Centre (KIC).

We have a variety of odd technology at our disposal, as one of our key allies specialises in unorthodox technology for undercover agents.

We recommend being alert because our agents are quite proficient at fitting in, almost too good.

We chose not to use military force because it would just be unfair to the innocent civilians of your nation wouldn't it? They wouldn't want to be fire-bombed back a few centuries, would they? Your military wouldn't want to face the onslaught of Kryozerkian forces; it would just be so one-sided.

Sincerely,
Krystal Kane
Right Honourable Prime Minister

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TO member nations of The Slave Trade Union
FROM Prime Minister Krystal Kane of Kryozerkia, head of The Anti-Slavery Alliance
SUBJECT Introductions

Good morning,

We are quite sure many of your have already heard of our alliance, and have formed your opinion on the issue. You view the alliance as a threat, and if you do, good because even if we don't bring justice down through the use of force, it will be achieved through economic ruin and destruction.

We don't need to cower behind our armed forces. We stand strong as a united diplomatic force that will bring the union to its knees. Our methods are guaranteed to be highly unorthodox.

You will only be issued a single warning before a non-militaristic campaign of our choice is launched against your nation. What are our plans? If we disclosed it, it would defeat the purpose of having such plans.

Sincerely,
Krystal Kane

Commonwealth Responses
"Attacking economy is still attacking, and GLI could use another source of unengineered products."
-General Labor Inc. Press Conference

"Petty threats. The trade will continue unharmed. Ignore them. Next Question?"
-Chancellor Elkanah

We recommend being alert because our agents are quite proficient at fitting in, almost too good.

Excerpt from President's Press Conference
"Haha. Let them try to fit in in the Commonwealth. As was stated earlier, they are no threat to the Commonwealth or to the trade. Like a child yelling, they only want recognition. Let's move on to a new ssubject."

Commonwealth Responses
"Attacking economy is still attacking, and GLI could use another source of unengineered products."
-General Labor Inc. Press Conference

"Petty threats. The trade will continue unharmed. Ignore them. Next Question?"
-Chancellor Elkanah



Excerpt from President's Press Conference
"Haha. Let them try to fit in in the Commonwealth. As was stated earlier, they are no threat to the Commonwealth or to the trade. Like a child yelling, they only want recognition. Let's move on to a new ssubject."

I shall repeat, our objective is to appear non-threatening, and if you perceive as such, the battle is already working in our favour. We work using the guise of innocence. It is profitable.

~ Prime Minister Kane

It frustrates me that the Union appears to laugh at the issues. If this is the way you treat diplomacy, then your own nation is probably devoured in anarchy and propaganda. You refuse to listen to us, instead preferring to call us war-mongering people. You also say we moan about slavery being wrong, but you moan about slavery being right. You can ignore the issues until the day you're on your deathbed, people of Nepthtali, but sooner or later, us children begging for attention will be at your front doors.

Joseph Arnarson, Ambassador and President of the European Islands, 2007

Attention, heathens of the Slave Trade Union: Your days are numbered.

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=521653

Compliance is your only option.

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Minister Hartman
-Minister of International Affairs-

OOC: Is that for real?

To Mr Hartman,
You are merely another etching in the list of nations who threaten our peace loving people. I do however wish to make it clear that you will find no slaves in our land. We only export convicted criminals to foreign lands to become their slaves. We make no apology for this.

I am sure you would have no trouble in turning over our small nation if you chose to do it, but my pride fails to let me yeild to such a bully. We shall carry out our exports for as long as they are needed. That is our sovreign right and i should rather die by the sword than give that up.

Regards
King Owain of Llanoran

OOC: Is that for real?



OOC: What makes you think it's not for real?

OOC: Is that for real?

OOC:

For the most part, when AMF says things like that, he's serious.

~ Romandeos.

OOC: Well considering the fact that none of the nations that are even active cross into this and yet you are posting it here after saying that the forced labor of criminals is not slavery. It just seems like a laughable joke. Also considering the average nation here is well...tiny and you are a huge nation threatening us without just cause or even the right term to do so. At least that's how I feel.

Your comments aren't exactly welcome in this context and is exactly what we've been trying to get away from in the past few days. If you can't be bothered enough to look into what you are doing and make such a grievous error, you could maybe stop being the sterotype of a hyper-interventionalistic nation and forcing yourself into a RP where force is clearly NOT the reason we are RPing.

The Roguis Agentis are unconcerned about the decree of the AMF Empire. As the slaves we buy are given oppertunity to prove themselves as our agents. either they succeed or they fail and die... its simple.

I am starting to get back to slavery, the REAL terms never stated not to continue with the slave trade. By real terms I mean those of the original surrender, the "Non-real" are those made when I was attacked, without dong anything wrong, AFTER I had surrendered. So that said, I shall be a full member.

OOC: Well considering the fact that none of the nations that are even active cross into this and yet you are posting it here after saying that the forced labor of criminals is not slavery. It just seems like a laughable joke. Also considering the average nation here is well...tiny and you are a huge nation threatening us without just cause or even the right term to do so. At least that's how I feel.

Your comments aren't exactly welcome in this context and is exactly what we've been trying to get away from in the past few days. If you can't be bothered enough to look into what you are doing and make such a grievous error, you could maybe stop being the sterotype of a hyper-interventionalistic nation and forcing yourself into a RP where force is clearly NOT the reason we are RPing.

[This is the problem you cannot understand. If AMF wants to make a declaration, there is a grand total of nothing stopping him simply because the creation of a slave trade union is pretty effective proof it goes on within your nations. You've put this declaration about being willing to respond with force to any threats, so he's called your bluff; it's not hard.]

OOC: I made a Slave trading union symbol for the one I trade to make, if anybody who is good with working on this kind of stuff would like to work it and use it as our symbol, HERE (http://i150.photobucket.com/albums/s92/Stratordominion/SlaveTradeUnion.png) it is

Statement by the Grand Duchy of Aunesia

We utterly condemn this irresponsible organisation and any and all nations participating within it who are willing to use force to continue to participate in the barbaric inhumane and uncivilised practice of slavery whilst refusing to participate in a peaceful and open discussion on slavery.

Any and all nations agreeing to participate within this organisation may be the subject of a wide-ranging blockade and embargo upon your nations. Any assets of your nation or its government members and any assets traceable to the slave trade which are located within the Grand Duchy will be seized and frozen until such time as you renounce the practice of slavery.

The Grand Duchy reaffirms its total commitment to an eventual peaceful, global abolition of slavery through a process of economic reform and support, and would urge nations who likewise wish to see an end to slavery to refrain from military action. We would like to make clear our total support for the documents currently being written by the Dominion of Vetaka and would strongly advise and urge any nation wishing to join this Union to instead wait for its publication and the measures contained within it, as membership of this union may well affect the economic benefits you may be afforded.

Whilst Hotdogs2 supports this statement in part, it does not support blockading of nations unless it is a last action to try and force an action to prevent war. It should not be used as a threat at such a time, embargoes are a different matter to a complete blockade which is likely to be expensive, time consuming and politically explosive.

Aunesia is a welcome member of the GDI, however we do not wish to have to aid Aunesia should they put themselves into a tricky situation but we would do should it be necessary to aid a fellow member state.

The Dominion of Vedeka's consensus has been released to all members of the Anti-slavery Alliance, and I will be mailing it to all members of the Slave Trade Union after our conference.

Joseph Arnarson, Ambassador and President of the European Islands, 2007

OOC: Well considering the fact that none of the nations that are even active cross into this and yet you are posting it here after saying that the forced labor of criminals is not slavery. It just seems like a laughable joke. Also considering the average nation here is well...tiny and you are a huge nation threatening us without just cause or even the right term to do so. At least that's how I feel.

OOC: What makes you think I'm not going after the large slave trading nations? And while OOCly Damien's actions may appear questionable or odd, ICly, to him they are perfectly legit. Perhaps some knowledge of past events would serve well.

Your comments aren't exactly welcome in this context and is exactly what we've been trying to get away from in the past few days. If you can't be bothered enough to look into what you are doing and make such a grievous error, you could maybe stop being the sterotype of a hyper-interventionalistic nation and forcing yourself into a RP where force is clearly NOT the reason we are RPing.

I don't think you understand how AMF as a nation functions. It's unspoken doctorine is "it's either our way, or you're a dead mother fucker way". "Grievous" error or not, Dreadfire is the kind of man that would declare war on all midgets if he felt so inclined. And before you go saying that I'm playing the sterotype of a hyper-interventionalistic nation, perhaps you should realizse just where that sterotype started. You're talking to him.

OOC: I'm saying ICly you call them ok, but threaten us within minutes of telling us the opposite. To me that's a bit odd, and well...frankly stupid over an issue that is well...childish. Your guy is shaping up to be a jerk and a hypocrit by doing this. I don't think you know OOC what you are talking about ICly. Hence my attempt to figure it out here. The nations involved (at least actively) trade criminals and death sentance people. They are not captured innocents forced to do work in terrible conditions, Llanoran clearly said so. Aside from the Black Agents (I still think criminals, but maybe might be real slaves not sure ICly) there is no real problem to provoke any nation to attack, other then the mere name of this thread.

[Again, you don't get it. If he feels like attacking you, he will do it regardless of what reasons you say against it. He knows OOC what he's talking about, and he knows IC what he's talking about, there's no fancy way around it. There's only your word that the slaves are criminals or those sentenced to be executed anyway, and who knows what passes for a crime?]

OOC: Eralineta, not to be insulting, since I'm not sure if you're new here or this is just a new nation you're playing, but I can tell you don't know anything about Dreadfire.

Yes, OOCly I get everything crystal clear. Criminals and all. McPsychoville is right, because ICly Damien is skeptical about what exactly passes as a crime worthy of forced servitude, and regardless he doesn't really care. Don't confuse the pigheaded nature of Damien with that of myself, because I am a polar opposite of the character leader I play.

That being said, Damien is going to do what he does best: get his way by any means. When he says that he'll set slaves free, you better believe it.

Public Announcement by the Chancellor of the Commonwealth
"While General Labor Inc. will be soon disocntinuing the sale of all sapient products, the Commonwealth will remain a friend of this treaty for one reason. That reason is national sovereignty. I personally believe it is the right of every nation to decide its own course, and I deplore those nations who would attempt to militarily coerce another. No matter how horrible or inhumane one may see an act another does, until those acts harm your nation or there is a cry for help from those you would consider 'slaves,' you have no right to decide how another nation is run. While the Commonwealth will remove its signature from this treaty, we still give the nations involved the fullest support for their right to sovereignty."
-Chancellor Elkanah

OOC: Eralineta, not to be insulting, since I'm not sure if you're new here or this is just a new nation you're playing, but I can tell you don't know anything about Dreadfire.

Yes, OOCly I get everything crystal clear. Criminals and all. McPsychoville is right, because ICly Damien is skeptical about what exactly passes as a crime worthy of forced servitude, and regardless he doesn't really care. Don't confuse the pigheaded nature of Damien with that of myself, because I am a polar opposite of the character leader I play.

That being said, Damien is going to do what he does best: get his way by any means. When he says that he'll set slaves free, you better believe it.

OOC: See my post in your thread.

The mighty Trolls of Trollskog support the slave trade. Forcing weak humans to work for us is fine.We wish to join the union.

Nightclaw of Trollskog

To Nightclaw of Trollskog,
King Owain of Llanoran is gratefull for your support. The union shall soon be made offical.

Regards
Gareth Hughes - His Majesty's Trade Advisor

Official Communication from the Grand Duchy of Aunesia

The Grand Duchy of Aunesia would like to draw member nations' and potential member nations' of this Union's attention to the following documents produced as a result of the Pearce Anti-Slavery Summit held within the Dominion of Vetaka, and an agreement reached between Vetakan and Aunesian ministers within the city of Strando.

These documents lay out the potential economic support your nations may be eligible to receive in return for your abolition of the slave trade. I have enclosed copies of these documents for your consideration.

Yours,

Andrew Short,
Secretary of State for Foreign Affairs
Grand Duchy of Aunesia.

OOC: Please see here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=521882)