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Carl Jacobsson, Minister of Foreign Affairs
To All Democratic Nations of Europe,

The Scandinavian State of Futuris hereby wishes to propose an alliance between all democratic nations of Europe. Participating members can vote on the actual name of the alliance later. Details as follow.

Requirements
Your nation must reside in Europe.
Your nation cannot be communist, very strongly socialist, fascist, totalitarian.
Your nation's government cannot be anarchy, autocracy, theocracy, strong monarchy, oligarchy, aristocracy, despotism.
Your nation must be democratic in a strong sense.
Your nation must be a direct democracy, representative democracy, parliament, constitutional monarchy, or republic.
Your nation must have a standing army.

Even if your nation meets all these requirements, it does not mean that it is necessarily 'in'. Your nation will be reviewed by the members of alliance, and your admittance will be voted on.

Duties to Alliance
If a nation is accepted as a member of this alliance, they must....

Adhere to all decisions accepted through votes by council.

Not attack any member of the alliance as long as they are both in it.

Provide military aid to members of alliance if asked for.
Provide economic aid to members of alliance if asked for.
Note: Council may always vote on declining requests of individual members if need is insufficient.

Abolish all tariffs between members (including shipping costs).
Trade fairly with members - be helpful if desired product is unavailable for sale.

Remove espionage networks from members' nations.

Note: Council may always add by majority vote any further duties that members of alliance are responsible for.

The Council
The Council is basically each and every nation in the alliance. Since everyone in the alliance is automatically part of the Council, and thus able to vote on a number of different issues, this further displays the democratic style of the alliance.

The Council can change, add, and remove and rule in the alliance. Issues are decided by a majority vote. If there is a tie, nations explain their viewpoints again persuasively, and vote again. If there is still a tie, then the matter is unresolved for the time being, and each nation can do as they wish regarding the issue.

Exceptions
Two nations of the alliance can go to war if they conducted espionage in each other's country.

Two nations of the alliance can go to war if they agree with themselves that they must go to war.

Two nations of the alliance can go to war if a request from the other was purposefully broken, sometimes once, sometimes many times (i.e. hostilities increase to unbearable point)

Voting
If member of alliance does not follow 'rules' or 'duties' of alliance, Council could eradicate the nation from the alliance.

If the need arises, Council can vote on sending military/economic aid to member of alliance even when not asked for (i.e. rebellion, civil war)

Council can vote on mandatory military aid to countries around the world to ensure civil rights and peace.

Council can vote on making certain technologies illegal, others mandatory.

Council can vote on environmental issues (requiring greener technologies, decreasing pollution from factories, etc.)

Council can vote on changing requirements.

Council can vote on allowing nations in that do not meet requirements.


This is our government's proposal for the alliance, it can be debated with nations involved. We are thinking that the common currency inside the alliance can be called the 'credit'. Again, all of the listed ideas can be debated and changed before the alliance is actually established. We hope, that this alliance can make for a better and safer Europe, and ultimately, world.

We thereby invite all interested countries to a conference in Stockholm, or to send their ambassadors to the conference. We hope to see your nation's diplomats their soon, as this can possible be one of the most important alliances in our time.

The Scandinavian State of Futuris

Rudolf Ludwik will be sent to represent the Eastern European Union.

Foreign Minister Kemal Sezer will be sent to the meeting to represent the Balkan Union.

Finland would be interested in joining this union. The High Commissioner of Finland will attend.

Minister of Foreign Affairs, Marion Zyleberg, will be attending this Meeting.

His Grace, Ragnis Belmont will represent the Imperial Republic of Valkyron

Earth SYAE only

Futuris, I think it is safe for you to start the conference now. ;)

The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland enquires if it can send a representative to the conferance.

Is this even still going on?

OOC: Sorry, Jolt apparently decided that my post wasn't worth posting. In other words, deleted.

IC:

Bjorn Gustavsson looked at the paper. On it was a list of 5 countries of Europe. He considered it quickly, before calling to his secretary. She came and asked what he had wanted.

"Send this telegram to the countries on this list. I need it done in one hour."

"Okay, I'll be right on it."

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Bjorn Gustavsson, Leader of the SSF

To the EEU, Balkan Union, Kingdom of Honako, German Confederation, and the United Kingdom of Ireland and Great Britain,

We are pleased to have so many nations interested in the alliance. We will be holding the conference in the main conference room of the International Embassy of Stockholm. If you want, we can send for your diplomat with a private jet, or you can fly him/her into our airspace unhindered and unbothered. The conference is scheduled to be in three days, if this is not enough time, please tell us and we will postpone it. Limousine arrangements are being made and rooms are being prepared. We don't want your diplomats accusing us of poor hospitality - we hope they enjoy their stay.

The Scandinavian State of Futuris

Bjorn Gustavsson, Leader of the SSF

To the EEU, Balkan Union, Kingdom of Honako, German Confederation, and the United Kingdom of Ireland and Great Britain,

We are pleased to have so many nations interested in the alliance. We will be holding the conference in the main conference room of the International Embassy of Stockholm. If you want, we can send for your diplomat with a private jet, or you can fly him/her into our airspace unhindered and unbothered. The conference is scheduled to be in three days, if this is not enough time, please tell us and we will postpone it. Limousine arrangements are being made and rooms are being prepared. We don't want your diplomats accusing us of poor hospitality - we hope they enjoy their stay.

The Scandinavian State of Futuris

To: Scandinavian State of Futuris
From; United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland

Our Foreign Secretary, William Hague, will attend the conference. He will supported by a staff of 5 plus the embassy staff.

The United Kingdom looks forward to discuss a possible alliance.

Prime Minister David Cameron

To: Scandinavian State of Futuris
From: The German Confederation

I will personally be attending this conference in Stockholm. I hope to talk to you more there.

Sincerely
Joerg Dresner

Bjorn Gustavsson, Leader of the SSF

To Joerg Dresner (Mr. Dresner),

Good, good...I cannot wait for the conference to begin, because I have wanted to talk to you, one about the military deals, and also, the alliance will strengthen our relations, as we are so close together geographically, it would be good if we were even closer politically. I hope that we see each other soon in Stockholm.

The Scandinavian State of Futuris

Rudolf Ludwik has arrived and is waiting in his hotel room till the conference begins.

To: Scandinavian State of Futuris
From; United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland

Our Foreign Secretary, William Hague, will attend the conference. He will supported by a staff of 5 plus the embassy staff.

The United Kingdom looks forward to discuss a possible alliance.

Prime Minister David Cameron

Bjorn Gustavsson, Leader of the SSF

To the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland,

I will personally welcome Mr. Hague, and I hope that he can get here soon. The conference will be starting shortly, and we don't want to postpone it! Maybe later in the conference, we could privately discuss the military exercises in the North Sea?

The Scandinavian State of Futuris

Rudolf Ludwik has arrived and is waiting in his hotel room till the conference begins.

We can provide entertainment for him if he wishes it, and our room service is very good. The conference should start in one day, if on schedule...

Mr. Hague has arrived in Stockholm.

Joerg Dresner has arrived in Stockholm.

OOC: Don't mind if I get this ball rolling.

IC: Rudolf Ludwik addressed the assembled dignitaries. "Gentleman, we have all received the same offer from the Scandinavians and I am sure I am not alone when I say it was a very bold step, going from almost no dialogue amongst member nations, to a complete alliance. This step is very bold indeed, possibly too much so for our nation, given the current geopolitical situation in Europe. But before we begin talks about some sort of alliance I wish to clarify something, just what exactly is going on in the Benelux and can the EEU assume such actions to be an indication of things to come?"

Rudolf Ludwik addressed the assembled dignitaries. "Gentleman, we have all received the same offer from the Scandinavians and I am sure I am not alone when I say it was a very bold step, going from almost no dialogue amongst member nations, to a complete alliance. This step is very bold indeed, possibly too much so for our nation, given the current geopolitical situation in Europe. But before we begin talks about some sort of alliance I wish to clarify something, just what exactly is going on in the Benelux and can the EEU assume such actions to be an indication of things to come?"

"Our actions in the Benelux are completely Peace-Keeping Operations. The local government fell and we are now trying to install some sense of order in the Benelux, while also trying to rid it of vile Anarchists." Joerg Dresner said to rudolf Ludwik.

"Mr. Ludwik. You have nothing to fear. We are not like out ancestors half a century ago. We are prudent people. The Benelux will only join the German Confederation if they so want to. And they will have their chance when we are able to put a General Referendum out to their people." He said.

Kemal Sezer was not in a happy mood when he arrived and learned that Germans would be there. The German and Balkan government were not happy at the moment, he looked at his watch. "Shit, I'm late."

Sezer ran into the Stockholm room where the delegation met. "I'm sorry I'm late." His briefcase hit a random table. "Mr. Dresner, I know you're pissed at my nation. Let's keep Armenia out of this European discussion for now."

Kemal Sezer was not in a happy mood when he arrived and learned that Germans would be there. The German and Balkan government were not happy at the moment, he looked at his watch. "Shit, I'm late."

Sezer ran into the Stockholm room where the delegation met. "I'm sorry I'm late." His briefcase hit a random table. "Mr. Dresner, I know you're pissed at my nation. Let's keep Armenia out of this European discussion for now."

"Mr. Sezer. I make no promises, but I will try for your sake, but if the topic does come up. You know our stance on the issue and the dangerous game your nation is playing." Dresner said in a slightly bored tone to the Balkan Union Delegate.

"Mr. Sezer. I make no promises, but I will try for your sake, but if the topic does come up. You know our stance on the issue and the dangerous game your nation is playing." Dresner said in a slightly bored tone to the Balkan Union Delegate.

"I can assure you, Mr. Dresner, that our nation means no harm to any Armenian and will refrain from interfering in Armenian sovereignity. In what way can my nation prove to you that Armenians will live in peace beside Bosniaks, Serbs, Croates, Bulgars, Romanians, Albanians, and Turks?"

"I can assure you, Mr. Dresner, that our nation means no harm to any Armenian and will refrain from interfering in Armenian sovereignity. In what way can my nation prove to you that Armenians will live in peace beside Bosniaks, Serbs, Croates, Bulgars, Romanians, Albanians, and Turks?"

"Mr. Sezer. You seem to have broken your own order to me. We are no in a discussion on Armenia. Something you wished to avoid, but have now initiated. You are an odd fellow Mr. Sezer. I can only hope that your Government isn't ran by alot exactly like you."

"Mr. Sezer. You seem to have broken your own order to me. We are no in a discussion on Armenia. Something you wished to avoid, but have now initiated. You are an odd fellow Mr. Sezer. I can only hope that your Government isn't ran by alot exactly like you."

"I know, I was making small talk...I had too much to smoke on the plane, you know Turkish Tobacco. Some of the finest in the world. What were we discussing before my arrival?"

"I know, I was making small talk...I had too much to smoke on the plane, you know Turkish Tobacco. Some of the finest in the world. What were we discussing before my arrival?"

"The German Confederation's Operations in the Benelux."

ooc: Good, finally it has started.....I was a little slow on it, thanks WP.

IC:

Bjorn Gustavsson walked down the hall quickly. He didn't expect the delegates to be here so soon, and he didn't want to keep them waiting. He opened the door, and walked through.

"Good afternoon Gentlemen. I hope that I didn't keep you waiting....I heard a few words being said about the current situation in the Benelux. A pivotal one, if anything...."

"Although I myself am not directly involved in the conflict, I do have my views on it. The Han Empire has given both you the German Confederation, Mr. Dresener, as well as the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland a 24-hour deadline to cease military operations. I don't know if you have or have not done that. I agree that the French government was inept and fell, and that the area of the Benelux came close to complete anarchy. You have stated quite numerously that your intentions are those of peace-keeping only, and of restoring general order........right?"

Bjorn Gustavsson walked down the hall quickly. He didn't expect the delegates to be here so soon, and he didn't want to keep them waiting. He opened the door, and walked through.

"Good afternoon Gentlemen. I hope that I didn't keep you waiting....I heard a few words being said about the current situation in the Benelux. A pivotal one, if anything...."

"Although I myself am not directly involved in the conflict, I do have my views on it. The Han Empire has given both you the German Confederation, Mr. Dresener, as well as the United Kingdom of Great Britain and Ireland a 24-hour deadline to cease military operations. I don't know if you have or have not done that. I agree that the French government was inept and fell, and that the area of the Benelux came close to complete anarchy. You have stated quite numerously that your intentions are those of peace-keeping only, and of restoring general order........right?"

"If it were anything else you would know. There are only German Peace-Keepers in the Benelux. I ask the Han Empire what do they know? How would they know? We're right next door to the Benelux. They live on the other side of the world. How would they know if there was Anarchy or not in the Benelux? I say they are doing this only to slow German Peace-Keeping efforts. We will not stop our efforts in the Benelux because some Chinese Sovereign tells us to."

"If it were anything else you would know. There are only German Peace-Keepers in the Benelux. I ask the Han Empire what do they know? How would they know? We're right next door to the Benelux. They live on the other side of the world. How would they know if there was Anarchy or not in the Benelux? I say they are doing this only to slow German Peace-Keeping efforts. We will not stop our efforts in the Benelux because some Chinese Sovereign tells us to."

ooc: Iraq comes to mind....perhaps we should do something so that the Iraq situation in RL doesn't occur in Benelux in the RP...?

IC:

"I agree that just because the Han Empire says you need to withdraw doesn't mean you have to....but they have shown a willingness of hostility in the event that you do not withdraw immediately. This signifies even more the importance of such an alliance..."

ooc: Iraq comes to mind....perhaps we should do something so that the Iraq situation in RL doesn't occur in Benelux in the RP...?

IC:

"I agree that just because the Han Empire says you need to withdraw doesn't mean you have to....but they have shown a willingness of hostility in the event that you do not withdraw immediately. This signifies even more the importance of such an alliance..."

OOC: It probably won't happen because there isn't that much of a Religious Problem. Also there isn't that much anti-german Sentiment around Western Europe, atleast compared to Anti-American sentiments in the Middle East.

IC:
"Should the Han Empire feel the need to come all the way to Europe just to protect the supposed violated sovereignity of a nation, let them. We won't abandon our efforts, and should it come to conflict we will bleed them for every inch they try and occupy. But, we don't war. War is the furthest thing from our minds."

"What it signifies." Says Ludwik "Is that the Han see what we in the EEU see, German aggressiveness and an unprovoked invasion which is resulting in the conquest of the Low Countries, again, much like what happened in 1914 and 1940. I should warn you gentlemen that my government views the actions of the Germans as being in violation of the Ludwik Doctrine on European Affairs and we may be compelled to join the Han in demanding an immediate withdrawal of Germany and British forces from the soil of the Low Countries and France."

"What it signifies." Says Ludwik "Is that the Han see what we in the EEU see, German aggressiveness and an unprovoked invasion which is resulting in the conquest of the Low Countries, again, much like what happened in 1914 and 1940. I should warn you gentlemen that my government views the actions of the Germans as being in violation of the Ludwik Doctrine on European Affairs and we may be compelled to join the Han in demanding an immediate withdrawal of Germany and British forces from the soil of the Low Countries and France."

"And leave the countries in Anarchy? Surely you jest. If we leave now, we are leaving the Benelux in a worse state then when the Operation began. We will not stop our operations. That is final."

"Anarchy? One could hardly call it that. The region was rejoicing at the collapse of the French Imperial Republic and embracing their new found independence when you invaded. I can clearly see this issue will be a major roadblock to the formation of any sort of pan-European alliance, which was a long shot at best already."

"Anarchy? One could hardly call it that. The region was rejoicing at the collapse of the French Imperial Republic and embracing their new found independence when you invaded. I can clearly see this issue will be a major roadblock to the formation of any sort of pan-European alliance, which was a long shot at best already."

"I know anarchy when I see it. And thats what it was anarcy, there was mass looting in the streets. Riots and civil disobediance. If you did not see this then you are obviously blind."

Sezer watched, knowing if he said anything about the Germany situation or about the Armenia situation the German delegate would say something to him.

"Perhaps..." said Mr. Gustavsson, rather loudly, "We can determine a resolution that satisfies both sides of the French conflict. Let me lay out what I see..."

"There are two sides in the Benelux conflict. There are the Germans, who claim that after the ineptitude of the French Imperial Republic, the Benelux had fallen into anarchy. They thus sent Peace-Keeping Forces into the area to stabilize the region, provide a chance to establish a worthy government, and let the people of the Benelux decide whether or not to join the German Confederation, remain independent, etc. The British have also made an excursion into France, and we await their diplomat on explaining that situation."

"The other side, which seems to be sided by the Han and the EEU, the Germans are simply re-living what happened both in 1914 and 1940, an invasion of the Low Countries, what could eventually escalate to a German occupation of France and the start of World War III. The "Peace-Keeping" efforts there are only a sign of hostile things to come from Germany."

"From my viewpoint, both sides are, in a way, correct. The Benelux, although maybe not in complete anarchy, was experiencing turmoil and civil unrest. Although an immediate German excursion with a military presence into the area might have been a little uncalled for, German military forces there have brought a little stability into the region, be it, as it is, temporary. Although this could be a potential expansionist move made by Germany which could lead to larger conflicts in the future, it could also be what the Germans say it is. Therefore, I propose a resolution to this, which may hopefully please both sides."

"If Germany is indeed only in the Benelux for peace-keeping reasons, things should stabilize rather quickly. The might of the German army is being faced with small French militias, some of which don't know which side to choose. The region should be cleared up soon. If not, to prevent a long guriella type conflict in the Benelux, not even counting the possibility of the Han, EEU, and other countries getting involved, Germany must withdraw, and send peaceful, non-military forces into the Benelux (i.e. something like Peace Corps, etc.) to help further stabilize the region. If, after withdrawal, the region is inspected by all nations who are interested, and it is found to still be in anarcy and civil unrest, then a peace-keeping force consisting of all nations involved may go in and stabilize the region. But if the region is found to be stabilized and relatively peaceful, no further military efforts may be made on that point, only non-military aid."

"If Germany claims to have stabilized the region, which means setting up a non-German based government in the Benelux, providing relative peace in the cities, and disarming local militias, the nations involved may inspect the region (non-militarily) to see if the region is indeed stabilized. If it is, the German army will withdraw, and non-military aid may or may not be given to the region. If it is not, the German army will have until the set deadline to do so, and then must withdraw. I have already explained what will happen when the deadline is reached and Germany must withdraw without stabilizing the region."

"Now, the only thing to decide, if this resolution indeed pleases all nations involved, the deadline itself. Any suggestions?"

"Perhaps..." said Mr. Gustavsson, rather loudly, "We can determine a resolution that satisfies both sides of the French conflict. Let me lay out what I see..."

"There are two sides in the Benelux conflict. There are the Germans, who claim that after the ineptitude of the French Imperial Republic, the Benelux had fallen into anarchy. They thus sent Peace-Keeping Forces into the area to stabilize the region, provide a chance to establish a worthy government, and let the people of the Benelux decide whether or not to join the German Confederation, remain independent, etc. The British have also made an excursion into France, and we await their diplomat on explaining that situation."

"The other side, which seems to be sided by the Han and the EEU, the Germans are simply re-living what happened both in 1914 and 1940, an invasion of the Low Countries, what could eventually escalate to a German occupation of France and the start of World War III. The "Peace-Keeping" efforts there are only a sign of hostile things to come from Germany."

"From my viewpoint, both sides are, in a way, correct. The Benelux, although maybe not in complete anarchy, was experiencing turmoil and civil unrest. Although an immediate German excursion with a military presence into the area might have been a little uncalled for, German military forces there have brought a little stability into the region, be it, as it is, temporary. Although this could be a potential expansionist move made by Germany which could lead to larger conflicts in the future, it could also be what the Germans say it is. Therefore, I propose a resolution to this, which may hopefully please both sides."

"If Germany is indeed only in the Benelux for peace-keeping reasons, things should stabilize rather quickly. The might of the German army is being faced with small French militias, some of which don't know which side to choose. The region should be cleared up soon. If not, to prevent a long guriella type conflict in the Benelux, not even counting the possibility of the Han, EEU, and other countries getting involved, Germany must withdraw, and send peaceful, non-military forces into the Benelux (i.e. something like Peace Corps, etc.) to help further stabilize the region. If, after withdrawal, the region is inspected by all nations who are interested, and it is found to still be in anarcy and civil unrest, then a peace-keeping force consisting of all nations involved may go in and stabilize the region. But if the region is found to be stabilized and relatively peaceful, no further military efforts may be made on that point, only non-military aid."

"If Germany claims to have stabilized the region, which means setting up a non-German based government in the Benelux, providing relative peace in the cities, and disarming local militias, the nations involved may inspect the region (non-militarily) to see if the region is indeed stabilized. If it is, the German army will withdraw, and non-military aid may or may not be given to the region. If it is not, the German army will have until the set deadline to do so, and then must withdraw. I have already explained what will happen when the deadline is reached and Germany must withdraw without stabilizing the region."

"Now, the only thing to decide, if this resolution indeed pleases all nations involved, the deadline itself. Any suggestions?"

"The German Confederation supports this arrangement. We only hope that the Han Government will come to it's senses"

"Why wait?" Asks Ludwik. "If the German intentions are peaceful, which is quite contrary to what most people seem to believe, then they won't mind if we send some peace-keepers to the Benelux to assist in their mission as well as some people to monitor the German troops. However I do have one question, if Germany meant to prevent an international crisis, why did you not ask the rest of Europe for assist or inform us in advance of your intentions? My government received no prior notification of what you were doing in the Benelux (OOF: If you did offer a justification I was to busy to notice it at the time so for the purpose of this RP pretend for whatever reason my government wasn't notified.) and we did not find out until the OISA called an emergency briefing to inform the President. This group has no authority to issue any deadlines, however if our request to also send "peace keepers" to the region is denied we will join the Han in condemning the German Confederation."

"My government did send notification to your government. I am sorry if you don't remember. Also the Operation in the Benelux is all but complete. Almost all Benelux Militias, Anarchists, and other such rebels, have been expelled. Of course you can send Engineers and other such non-combat Peace-Keepers to assist us in repairing the damage incurred by the Rebels. My government has already promised .9 Billion USD to the Benelux to help rebuild it. German companies are also offering large sums of money to the Benelux."

OOC: http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12450247&postcount=1

"Ah yes, you notified us that had sent troops into the Benelux, but by then the information was of no use to us."

"Ah yes, you notified us that had sent troops into the Benelux, but by then the information was of no use to us."

"You do understand this message was sent out a week before our troops entered the Benelux?"

"I have one question," Sezer added. "After order is restored, what options will the Benelux be given? Will you integrate them, ignore them, et cetera?"

"I have one question," Sezer added. "After order is restored, what options will the Benelux be given? Will you integrate them, ignore them, et cetera?"

"They will be given numerous options once the Referendum is put out. These are probably the ones you want to hear. Their options will be: Independence for each Benelux State; Independence but the Benelux is one country; Commonwealth/Protectorate Status with the German Confederation; Formal Joining of the Benelux to the German Confederation; Extension of the Referendum for another 3 months." Joerg Said

"These are the options we will lay out in the Referendum, and the Referendum will be put out once the Benelux Self-Defense Force is up and running."

OOC: Granate, before you go too far with youre referendum thing, just remember that the current trend in world affairs is nations breaking up into smaller nations, often along ethnic/religious lines, and with that in mind it is very highly unlike that the Belgians would re-unite with the Dutch or that either nation (including Luxembourg) would choose to unite with Germany.

OOC: Granate, before you go too far with youre referendum thing, just remember that the current trend in world affairs is nations breaking up into smaller nations, often along ethnic/religious lines, and with that in mind it is very highly unlike that the Belgians would re-unite with the Dutch or that either nation (including Luxembourg) would choose to unite with Germany.

OOC: It's the options the Referendum is offering them. Switzerland and Leichtenstein both merged with Germany to form the German Confederation. Who knows what will happen.

OOC: When you claim a nation you don't have to come up with a compelling reason for them to join and it's a lot easier to convince a nation with a history of turning belly up to Germany for the sake of making a buck to join into some sort of union with Germany (that being Switzerland) than it is to convince two nations with a history of hatred towards Germany.

OOC: When you claim a nation you don't have to come up with a compelling reason for them to join and it's a lot easier to convince a nation with a history of turning belly up to Germany for the sake of making a buck to join into some sort of union with Germany (that being Switzerland) than it is to convince two nations with a history of hatred towards Germany.

OOC: Ok. Thats just the options being put out there.