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Right, guys, here is the OOC thread. Please post OOC posts here (duh).

So Wagdog are you willing to risk nuclear war over capturing the King? Cuz I sure as hell am not. If it goes nuclear my forces are getting the hell outta there, I can't risk my nation.

So Wagdog are you willing to risk nuclear war over capturing the King? Cuz I sure as hell am not. If it goes nuclear my forces are getting the hell outta there, I can't risk my nation.
OOC @ Aurum: Willing to risk nuclear war over a petty despot's life? Not more than simply being involved with nuclear powers hanging around does already; unless Nicksyllvania, Avisron or somebody else loses it first. But it is something I have to figure against anyway, hence the installation of the ABMs starting in my country soon. Considering that our mission is complicated at best now by the King's evac, if things look too hot you can escape if you feel it its needed; but I'd urge you to stay in as long as possible before that since I have some things to say about these n00king threats going around.
OOC @ Zanski: Specifically Zanski, that TWSP has a point in saying that based on where this statement you're threatening me over is happening (a hidden rebel hideout), it can reasonably be assumed as SIC rather than IC, and I have a mind to retcon the post to say "SIC" if you can't justify to me somehow how you heard this. Plus, even if you somehow did hear the whole thing through a double agent in the Reds' camp, read the whole quote before you decide policy upon it please.:rolleyes:
My policy is to capture your King alive for trial in the democratic and capitalist nation of Aurum Domus, as my little compensation to them for getting nuked by the Mafia and Corporate Alliance back when this all started, and my little slap in the face to those two for disrupting Vetaka's anti-slavery conference way back. All forces involved in the capture operation even have instructions to err on the side of taking losses if it means successfully bringing King Arma in alive for trial.
Besides which Zanski, even if this quote of mine were a threat of regicide on my part towards you, OOCly I know now that I'm in zero position to carry it out since you made it to your commonwealth hideout. And with some Red Xanka help from a squeezed Red operative (whom you can kill off afterward as soon as he blabs) at the King's former location, Aurum and I shall know ICly too. What happens after that is anybody's guess, and I'm waiting for Nicksyllvania's counterattack or whatever against me before I decide that.
Do know that at first I had minimal interest in this thread, essentially another "Despot Postures for his 15 Minutes of Fame until He Gets Invaded: Film At 11" thread among countless others; until Leafanistan's Mafia nuked Aurum Domus to protect their oil interests in your nation and changed everything for me in so doing. Essentially, my involvement here is strictly a matter of forcing the Corporate Alliance out of your country without going to war against Leafanistan/The Mafia, which would bring me to war against Vetaka in turn since both they and Leafanistan are Sovereign League members. This fight is "a matter of Honor" for my country's General Secretary, if you will; since the Mafia's chicanery at the conference endangered his deputy/wife and nearly brought him to war against a man (the late Vetakan President Daniel Pearce) he wanted to consider a friend.
So in summary, I'm only after your King insofar as I can bring a Red/Dissident-blue (you really should have some former Parliamentarians defect to the Reds, what with you dismissing them like that way back...) coalition to power and see your King on trial for what he's done. After that, I don't care if he lives or dies IC, so long as the new government of Zanski kicks the Mafia out and agrees to allow human rights for leftists of all stripes again. Anything more surely would risk a nuking on my part, and I'm not that stupid. Worse in my mind, it would also risk war between me and the last country I'd ever want to fight: Vetaka, who's never been anything but up-front and friendly to Wagdog either IC or OOC.

OOC: I'll stay in as long as I can, I just can't risk getting nuked again, even if it was an offshore inspection point.

If anyone messes with that King I will intervene, my sovereign would not let someone of Royal blood be trialled by a bunch of communists.

Oh and if you fight Vetaka, you fight me as he's in the Sovereign League.

would joining now be a bad thing?

If anyone messes with that King I will intervene, my sovereign would not let someone of Royal blood be trialled by a bunch of communists.

Oh and if you fight Vetaka, you fight me as he's in the Sovereign League.
OOC: Ugh, please read more carefully, OK!?:rolleyes: I do NOT want to fight Vetaka in the slightest. We're on the same side in fighting the recent rash of slaver nations that seem to have sprung up lately, and that is still my number one diplomatic priority aside from GUSN responsibilities.
Again, it would be a democratic and capitalist nation, Aurum Domus, that would host the trial. Not me, not Red Xanka, nor ANY communist power. Interested powers could all send justices, as the trial would be for the massacre of the 100 pro-democracy protesters and violation of Zanskian leftists' civil and human rights. ICly King Arma was imprisoning/enslaving whole families even for advocating the family operate on a non-profit basis, which (last I checked) is how any functioning household must operate if it's not to resemble a cheap flophouse at best, and cannot seriously be considered "communism" except by one as paranoid as King Arma clearly is IC.
As is now that Questers is involved again, I'm probably going to have to bug out anyway, and leave King Arma in his exile while shoring up the rebels in Zanski proper as best I can economically. Do remember that my fracas/probable war with New Nicksyllvania is due to their declaring war on me first in IC support of an unbalanced despot, and firing indiscriminately IC on my naval aircraft despite my own strenuous efforts to ignore that declaration as the blather it seemed for quite some time; IC and OOC.

Clandonia, my nation is not Communist, I am involved in this because many innocents were slaughtered, the King will get a fair trial but its likely that he will receive the death penalty for 100+ counts of murder.

Edit: Wait, King Arma's out of the country? If he is then we gotta get the hell out, I have a cargo plane and a fighter escort lined up but if we are scraming then we need to do it now, before the land invasion begins. If possible we also need to evacuate as much of the rebels as possible, if they are willing, because if they stay they will be surely killed.

Clandonia, my nation is not Communist, I am involved in this because many innocents were slaughtered, the King will get a fair trial but its likely that he will receive the death penalty for 100+ counts of murder.

I will protest greatly at the killing of a sovereign, the fact that this seems to be a GUSN minded war will not go down just after two of my aircraft were mysteriously downed in The World Soviet Party.

OOC:Sorry, guys, had some family trouble.



The Alarm went off in the Bunker. King Arma went onto a Sonic plane and was flown into the neighbouring Zansk Commonwealth Country Mhoudia for protection from the missiles. The Air defense systems went up, and so did the Zansk Planes, ready to intercept whatever may come their way.

The order was given that ANY foreign enemy units within 100 Miles of Zansk coastline would be fired at by the long-range Land-Sea defenses dotted around the Coast. Another order was given that any nation that attempts to kill Arma will be tried with Regicide.

Six hundred captured Xankan rebels have been publicly Tortured with fire and mutilation, then killed. The Armite government says that it will attempt to recapture Xanka with force soon.

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The Red Authority of Xanka will allow any nations that will give King Arma a death sentance to camp their Troops in Xanka.

Clandonia, my nation is not Communist, I am involved in this because many innocents were slaughtered, the King will get a fair trial but its likely that he will receive the death penalty for 100+ counts of murder.

Edit: Wait, King Arma's out of the country? If he is then we gotta get the hell out, I have a cargo plane and a fighter escort lined up but if we are scraming then we need to do it now, before the land invasion begins. If possible we also need to evacuate as much of the rebels as possible, if they are willing, because if they stay they will be surely killed.

I will protest greatly at the killing of a sovereign, the fact that this seems to be a GUSN minded war will not go down just after two of my aircraft were mysteriously downed in The World Soviet Party.
Fine, CP. Yeah, I could tell the GUSN presence here was basically a magnet for the anti-socialists anyway. But, obligations are obligations, and we voted to take action. Aurum, I just realized that the evacuation wasn't SIC after all, so we can probably scram. Once you confirm the mission abort, my government will issue a statement that we're done here aside from fighting New Nicksyllvania alongside the Lone Alliance.
Zanski, how much help to the Xanka Red Authority would some 10% of my annual defense budget be in terms of providing weaponry?;) I still want the King taken down, but don't have the resources to do it myself since invading Mhoudia's a whole other ballgame compared to a simple sneak-and-grab infiltration. Their forces already have the capital and the King's fled the mainland, so I fail to see how they're suddenly in danger of being routed or such outside of Armite propaganda. I figure I'll be the main covert supporter of the rebels in a Zanski Civil War thread, that way I don't betray my allies or unduly risk intervention against me more than already. You dig?
Also, Aurum, although my men would ideally try to get back to their choppers and make it back to the fleet, you can have them order the helos back with just their pilots aboard and take them where you want. I thought your request for escorts had been from my fighters, sorry.:(

OOC @ Clandonia:
This whole conflict started because I would not stand for innocents being killed. If I didn't say anything that none of these other people would have been involved. Although I have pulled out for now, I am allowing these other people to fight if they wish. Although i'm going to SIC my ABM satelites moving into positions relative to defend several key nations, including Wagdog due to the IC threat of nuclear weapons by Zanski in the IC Thread.

IF nuclear weapons are used though against Wagdog, I will not hesitate to launch my arsenal.

I am just posting this so it comes up on my subscription list

Why is The Northern Baltic in on this?

Why is The Northern Baltic in on this?
It's a GUSN thing.;) They've fired some EMP torps at his fleet; hopefully in time to screw around with his radars so that my missile strike has an easier time of things.
So far they're the only GUSN combatant aid I either see coming or particularly desire, though; since although I share your desire to retaliate against New Nicksyllvania, I don't particularly want a bigger war than I have to fight either. I shot down several members' proposals to invade and dismember him, since I've had enough brushes with world war against Questers/Ptolemais/Clandonia/Leafanistan/&c here already for my taste. So far TWSP and the rest AFAIK are just building ABM sites in my country and sending supplies/money.
My counter declaration against NN states that I'll fight until they sue for peace with you first, and ideally we can outmaneuver and smash their forces badly enough that a negotiated settlement will be the more attractive option for them to end it than fighting it out on their own soil. That seems appropriate retaliation to me, against someone who really was ICly just shooting their mouth and weaponry off without thinking, after all; but your take?

Same plan as mine.

I plan on continuing the fight until he asks for a ceasefire or I sink his fleet.
If he sends a second fleet out I'll sink it as well.

I have no intention however of invading or nuking his nation.

Okay, I have a few things to say in general about this whole RP.

First off, I would really prefer that all of you who don't care about the Zanski conflict anymore start another thread. The current one is crowded and I really don't see why a conflict that simply spun off from the Zanski thing must remain in the same thread. Please, it'll make it easier for everyone.

Second, Zanski, does Arma have any remaining power structure left within Zanski? That is, can he still command the capitalist military from where ever he is hiding out? If he can, I'd really like for you to have him respond to my post [here: link] (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12415958&postcount=280) and allow the Avisronite military to move overwhelming firepower into the nation in order to aid Questers in cutting off international support to the communist revolution.

As for Avisrons role here, I don't really care all that much about Arma. I just don't want a capitalist nation to become communist. If there were no threat of that happening, Avisron would have invaded and taken Arma out by now.

The Wagdog aircraft roared in, 140mm and 50mm Flak cannons covered the sky with black smoke and yet more SAM missiles were fired. But not before the enemy fired beforehand, having the advantage of being airborne when firing their loads. CIWs and RAM stopped many of the missiles, but now ammunition for such was scarce after the numerous missiles salvos. 2 AA Destroyers and a MR Destroyer exploded, one AA Destroyer was too heavily damaged and was scuttled by its crew, the Captain going down with it. Numerous other ships were damaged, especially the large vulnerable Battleships and Dreadoughts, and only 2 carriers were fit to launch aircraft. The torpedoes also took a toll, sinking a cruiser and 8 submarines.

"Call the withdrawl to the nearest dock, hmmm, Havvy will do. Load up 2 NDCs, code AADNF-345."
"The Nuclear ASROCs sir?"
"Dam right, they are communist Kommodant, they could very well use such against us, especially considering they fired upon us first like the filthy mongrels they are. Besides, it's only the damned Submariners that will die. Destroyer D-89, ping them and relay us the location"
"Yes sir"
"Co-ordinates recieved, fire."
"Fire another missile salvo at both of the bastards, keep some in case they attempt to chase us. Call the general withdrawl of the fleet"

Okay, I have a few things to say in general about this whole RP.

First off, I would really prefer that all of you who don't care about the Zanski conflict anymore start another thread. The current one is crowded and I really don't see why a conflict that simply spun off from the Zanski thing must remain in the same thread. Please, it'll make it easier for everyone.

Second, Zanski, does Arma have any remaining power structure left within Zanski? That is, can he still command the capitalist military from where ever he is hiding out? If he can, I'd really like for you to have him respond to my post [here: link] (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12415958&postcount=280) and allow the Avisronite military to move overwhelming firepower into the nation in order to aid Questers in cutting off international support to the communist revolution.

As for Avisrons role here, I don't really care all that much about Arma. I just don't want a capitalist nation to become communist. If there were no threat of that happening, Avisron would have invaded and taken Arma out by now.
OOC @ New Nicksyllvania: Before I can adequately RP my damage, how many nuclear SUBROCs are we talking about here? Just these two, or two from each of your ten surviving subs?:confused: And what about the other missiles inbound on me; numbers, types, and perhaps targeting priorities if any?
Also, do remember that the USSNB is firing EMP torpedoes your way, which should severely degrade your defensive fire by the time I get my next salvo off (I figured they'd be too late for this last one, but no undue worries...). I won't pursue too closely though since I'm escorting troopships that need to go back to port as badly as you do, so after this last exchange one of us needs to start up the new war thread. Lone Alliance, me or you? I'm OK with any of those, so just let me know here...
OOC @ Avisron: Did you not read the constant OOC and IC bits about my objective being a coalition government for Zanski? Even the Xanka Reds were being Castroesque in denying that Zanski would go communist right away, and I almost came down to ICly badgering the rebels to make contact with Zanski's dismissed Parliament and form a compromise regime to isolate the King further.:rolleyes: Granted, ICly the number of ways you could know this are few, but they do exist and I am quite tired of being lumped in with the jackbooted Stalinists of the world ICly; for my nation is very far from such, and has no IC intention of becoming it either. I wrote the factbook linked in my sig for a reason, and I would appreciate it being at least consulted when a country drafts policy regarding mine. ICly speaking, does your country subscribe to the theory that everything a socialist country says logically has to be a lie somehow, even if that government follows a reasonably market economy and has multiparty representation (albeit all of them "leftist" parties of one or another sort)?

OOC: They Nuclear ASROCs are fired from the main Dreadnought, and yes, just 2 in the middle of any submarines we picked up on the sonar ping.

These are what the missiles are similiar to
Standard Ship to Ship missiles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_90_Ship-to-Ship_Missile (Around 300 being fired)
Standard Air to Ship missile http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_93_Air-to-Ship_Missile (around 80 being fired)

I don't think E-bombs work when fired underwater, the water would conduct the electric pulses all in the wrong directions, besides the ships are heavily shielded against such, being military equipment, and being ships the weight factor of such shielding is deemed acceptable.

OOC: They Nuclear ASROCs are fired from the main Dreadnought, and yes, just 2 in the middle of any submarines we picked up on the sonar ping.

These are what the missiles are similiar to
Standard Ship to Ship missiles http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_90_Ship-to-Ship_Missile (Around 300 being fired)
Standard Air to Ship missile http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_93_Air-to-Ship_Missile (around 80 being fired)

I don't think E-bombs work when fired underwater, the water would conduct the electric pulses all in the wrong directions, besides the ships are heavily shielded against such, being military equipment, and being ships the weight factor of such shielding is deemed acceptable.
Ah. Very well then, thanks for the details.;) I shall figure the damage/losses accordingly and post. It's a bit late for me to crunch all that right now on my end (@1:45AM), but you should have my reply by mid-morning or so; and after that it's off to the separate thread for anything more. Do you know who you want to start it yet?:confused:
I'd advise TGing or otherwise asking Northern Baltic about the EMP torps though, since they're something of their favorite weapon and I think specifically designed to counteract the factors you mention (even though I agree with them myself). Again, it's their weapon so I can't say; best ask them. Either way it's relevant to whatever "last strike" I try to get in before withdrawing, so asking soon could only benefit you.
EDIT: Tag removed and my reply edited in place, in the main thread.

Uh, bump?:confused: If you need to find my reply to your counterattack, NN, it's here (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12423871&posctount=298) in the main thread. I put a tag in right after your post and just edited my reply into that rather than risking a Jolt outage messing things up. Either way, there are a few more missiles of mine heading your way while my surviving ships are withdrawing as fast as they can.

@ Aurum Domus: I have an idea here.;) I know of a mercenary group that might just be able to grab King Arma before he gets his little genocide going against the Zaynites, although I'll have to RP some intell gathering first to make sure I know about it IC. Do we have a source of yours in Mhoudia as far as you know; somebody who, maybe, followed with the Royal Court on King Arma's evac and has overheard his plans for slaughter?
@ Lone Alliance: Are you still interested in the war with New Nicksyllvania? If it times out I'll let it die, but IIRC he hasn't said anything here about making peace with any of us yet and I'd rather not get dogpiled-by-one for obvious reasons. Should I TG him or something about this, about the war possibly "timing out" and all that is? As is I'm mostly just waiting for his reply to my final missile strike and for one of us (you, me, NN; whoever...) to start the main war thread. I can do it if needed, I just need to know if it's indeed me who's expected to or something.:confused:

I'm going to make a NSwiki article about this, any ideas about what the war should be called?

Details on Vetakan Mission:

- In order to try and gain International Diplomatic Support Vetaka has launched Special Forces into the area to locate Genocide. Looks like the insert was successful. The Team has just encounted a Zanski or Zanski Allied Military Force nad has requested Air Support. If the sentrys are good enough they could catch the scouts lol.

Explanation of Observation Satellite Communication System (OBSAT):

OBSAT is a communication Network that links all Vetakan Defence Force Assets together the beauty of OBSAT is that this communication goes right down to the troops on the ground. Allowing a simple trooper to guide a Missile fired from thousands of miles away to its target. OBSAT Uplink allows Allied Forces to also Link up and talk to eachother as a result Vetaka, Wagdog and all other Allied Forces are all connected together in real time. OBSAT Uplink also allows Allied Forces to view eachothers satellites in real time as a result for example:

- Wagdog Command and Vetakan Central Command can talk to eachother about a battle as that battle develops once Command has its mission objective these orders can be sent directly to a Field Commander as well as update to Intel on the hour every hour.

In reality all Allied Forces are connected together so Wagdog and Northen Baltic have the same tool of OBSAT as Vetaka does as they are connected via OBSAT Uplink.


- A Good name could be "The Zanski Affair"

How about "Circum-Zansk War?":cool: I know, it's hardly original; but it actually describes well how this conflict mushroomed to include both Zanski, my country, Aurum Domus once Leafanistan's Mafia nuked their offshore port (the point at which I became interested), the GUSN, Questers and Alexandrian Ptolemais and virtually everybody in ACTO at one or another point.
Probably will include Havvy too before long, since I'm editing in preparations for an ambush by submarines and maritime-patrol bombers of NN's fleet in that general area as well. The Nicksyllvanian fleet I crippled (at great cost to myself though:headbang:) is withdrawing to Havvy and although I respect neutrals' rights, I'm not above going for an NS "Río de La Plata"-style ambush either en route while his fleet is still sailing-wounded, or else once his surviving ships steam out of the harbor after repairs and leave Havian territorial waters; as they eventually must or else compromise Havian neutrality under customary international laws of war.;)

Sorry for not responding sooner Wagdog, your plan sounds good, the informant did travel with Kign Arma to his exile and knows his whereabouts 24/7, the only problem is actually inserting a team to get him, using mercs is the right idea.

Sorry for not responding sooner Wagdog, your plan sounds good, the informant did travel with Kign Arma to his exile and knows his whereabouts 24/7, the only problem is actually inserting a team to get him, using mercs is the right idea.
Sweet!:cool: Yeah, I figured his court was "wormy" as the capitalists would say; so let's get that going. Also, you should RP requesting OBSAT privileges from Vetaka if you don't already have them; it's basically like the support-options request system in Mercenaries: Playground of Destruction, only with a more disciplined and military veneer. Your forces could request satellite feeds, support strikes from any of us if available, intel, the works. Once in, as well as your source so he can link with the Vetakan Scouts' team, here's where the mole could be most helpful with direct OBSAT transmissions (close to untraceable, barring some seriously advanced SIGINT or old-school gumshoe work on Zanski's part).

Providing conclusive evidence/testimony regarding King Arma's campaign of Genocide against the Zaynites.
Giving data on Zaynite deportation movements so our strikes avoid them if possible, and rescues can be planned against the killing fields.
Giving data on King Arma's movements to expedite his swift capture alive, for probable joint trial by Aurum Domus and Vetaka.
If known, and only so far as known so no compromise is risked, the ORBAT, deployments and capabilities of remnant Armite Dynasty forces.
Status of King Arma's strategic weapons, if known.
Establishing reliable communications between dissidents in Kang Arma's camp and the Red Authority/Modi Arma government, to compromise the King's security when capture operations are go; and possibly engineer a coalition Red/Blue democratic regime as well, one that would be more acceptable to capitalist powers involved in this.
Above all, simply being a passive window on King Arma's actions and intentions. Unless information concerns Genocide evidence or capture preprarations, the agent has utmost discretion regarding their security from compromise and measures in that regard.

I'll get onto the Knights'/mercs' end now. This should really help Vetaka out:), since I don't want them openly fighting Zanski if I can at all avoid that. They're allies of Questers and Clandonia, and I need them to be perceived as such to keep those two off of us until Arma is bagged and the rebels have won or are inevitably going to. It's going to be tight, but I think using mercs and commandos stands a far better chance of working than asking Vetaka to directly fight anybody but New Nicksyllvania like they're already in position to.

EDIT: Contract placed, and confirmed. King Arma now has a bounty on his head for capture...

Click me to see the (unfinished) Article! (http://ns.goobergunch.net/wiki/index.php/Circum-Zansk_War) can someone who is good at NSwiki make an infobox about the different sides of the war?

I said they were in position to fire, but hadn't opened fire yet.

I take that back. I reread my post.

Could I have a map please? It would help to show my invasion plan.

OK, reusing this thread since I want to start putting my precise attack details in the OOC sections of threads I'm in. I'ts just plain better RP, and I'm going to step up to a higher standard. NN, now that Vetaka's got Operation: Chaos lit up, here is what you have incoming at the present time...;)

14 Tu-160M Blackjack-B bombers firing 336 Kh-555SD Kent-C cruise missiles, 2500km out behind cover of some 80 Su-27K Flanker-D escort fighters from my First and Fifth Fleets' carriers; the missiles being inbound generally against the LXVIII Corps' rear targeting artillery positions, supply dumps and motorized infantry columns with mixed AP/AT bomblet warheads.
40 MiG-29K Fulcrum-Ds firing 160 Kh-29L Kedge air-to-surface missiles, inbound against identified MBTs and guided by OBSAT lasing. 20 of these are from my Fifth Fleet off Havvy and at their maximum range, so they can only make one attack run; the other 20 from my First Fleet nearby.
40 MiG-29K Fulcrum-Ds packing 160 Kh-31P Krypton antiradar missiles for anti-SAM work. Essentially, if you target SAMs at any of my aircraft, you can safely assume the batteries responsible will promptly get missiles coming their way for you to RP the firing and damage of, before the firing MiG dives for the deck and afterburns away towards their carrier (which you may have surviving batteries retaliate against, of course).
20 AH-1RO Draculas firing 160 Hellfire antitank missiles, inbound against identified MBTs and guided by OBSAT lasing; then making Hydra rocket/20mm cannon strafing runs against IFVs, trucks and infantry.
80 SS-23 Spider SRBMs with 2,200lb HE penetrator warheads, inbound against another 80 command bunkers than the earlier 80 I targeted against you with the same warhead types; which really should've hit by now. For what it's worth, my two SRBM battalions in-theater are starting to run low on missiles so this will be my last major SRBM attack until more supplies come in from that large airport NB is capturing still.
Full "Final Protective Fire" salvoes from 40 BM-30 Smerch MLRS against your front.
Full "Final Protective Fire" salvoes from 80 2S19M 152mm Howitzers against your front.
Each of my surviving tanks is sending one AT-10 Stabber ATGM your way from whatever range they can, since these have the best balance between range/penetration (6000m/750mm RHAe) against your Type-90s since my 100mm APFSDS isn't likely to do much except at suicidal ranges; even if its the good BM-412Sg Romanian/Israeli stuff (average performance: 1500m/450mm RHAe). These laser-guided missiles are homing in on OBSAT guidance as per most everything else I'm shooting at you, and aiming for your armor's flanks and hulls since turret-frontal shots are almost sure failures.
Each of my survivng Cavalry armored car dismount teams is sending one more round of Spike-ER ATGMs, now with quite good odds of hit since the range is so close and specifically against MBTs (i.e. if it's not an MBT, hold fire) since my helos or RPGs can handle the infantry or recon vehicles. They're flying top-attack trajectories and in fire-and-forget mode, so the crews can reload at maximum speed or alternately pick up their rifles and defend themselves.
Each Raider Battalion (using Model 89 122mm SPs) and Cavalry Squadron (using 2A18M/D-30 122mm towed guns) has attached "battalion guns" in place of mortars, so they're firing as much as possible against your guys. The Raiders' MLI-84M IFVs are sending two Spike-ER's your way each as well, also top-attack and also autonomously-guided to maximize the IFV's mobility and freedom of engagement with its cannons.
Since air activity by you/Zanski has been close to nil, my 80 2S6M Tunguskas are now going anti-infantry and anti-IFV/LAV with their 30mm cannons, naturally...
And last but most of all, each dismount squad from my surviving ambush force's IFVs is sending its RPG (-29s specifically), sniper (PSL) and machine gun (PKM, bipod-mounted since we've just dismounted from our IFVs) fire at your men and their vehicles; snipers prioritizing SNCOs or officers, and RPGs prioritizing IFV-kills.

Arranging this massive pseudo-time-on-target fire ambush is why I've been so passive lately.:p Since you have the Northern Baltic's men to deal with as well, I'd say the tables are at least evened now if not turned entirely. If I blank your armor as I think I can (what with each surviving tank having multiple heavy antitank missiles inbound), or even simply cripple it, NB and I will then pursue with extreme IC-prejudice until we run you out of Zanski, as they say.:D You're free to post your counterattack technical details here too, since really we all need better IC/OOC discipline as I'm about to mention in my own Colliding Wars OOC thread once I put that up.

Uhh, sorry to double post here, but exactly who and what are your Patriots supposed to be targeting NN?:confused: I hate to be punctilious about the ranges like this, but even fudging it on the close side my bombers are firing from FAR beyond the engagement range of any Patriot-series missile (PAC2 is best for AA with both a large HE-FRAG warhead and 70-160km maxiumum range, but still not remotely enough against the 2500km practical-maximum range for the Kh-555 cruise missiles I'm attacking with; no overflight of Zanski being made at all). You can almost certainly detect my bombers, true; but unless you have some serious OTH SAM/ABMs like what some claim the Russian S-500 is supposed to be when it shows up, the only realistic way you have of engaging my Blackjacks is by fighters from Havvy or elsewhere. And those would need to get through two fleets' worth of carrier fighter cover (one somewhat attrited) first.:p My MiGs et al are more than fair game for all SAMs fired, however...
Other than that there's nothing wrong with your attack, so I can reply to that as soon as this bit is resolved. Thanks for any help provided, as I certainly know you can shoot at something of mine here; just not what I think you're trying to alas (for you).;)

They're firing at anyone within range. I don't have airsupport yet, but expect our High Command to send it out eventually, maybe too late.

They're firing at anyone within range. I don't have airsupport yet, but expect our High Command to send it out eventually, maybe too late.
'K, thanks.:) I'll take what losses I will to my forces and RP out my fighters' return to the carriers. As stands, I have some 45 tanks and 39 IFV's left, with maybe 2/3 of my support stuff (rounded up) for all types in the armored ambush. We'll be moving to take you guys from the rear now after flanking north of the hill the Vetakan Scouts painted the area from before they died. Regarding my air support, I'll be sending some 150-odd MiG-39/1.44s in with the air bridge for Seventh Army once the main airport is secured by NB (assuming it hasn't been already, which IIRC it might be; I'll check since if so it's in the subtext of his posts regarding what his Armored Corps is doing...), both as escort for the mammoth An-225s flying in the hardware (1,000 total, though not all at once obviously; since they'll soon have to split airlifts to Zanski with missions to your country as well) and as general Theater Air Dominance assets once these new MiGs land and refuel/rearm. That's in addition to the standard Numbered Air Force TOE I put up in the other OOC thread, the specific Air Force deploying being Seventh Air Force and together with Seventh Army forming my veteran (from the Strator Occupation) "Seventh Army Group".
EDIT: Losses...

~3000 KIA/MIA and ~1500 WIA Marines since operations began (of 16,000 total).
11 MiG-29K Fulcrum-D (of 40 in-theater)
5 AH-1RO Dracula (of 20 in-theater)
55 TR-85M1 MBT (of 100 in-theater)
61 MLI-84M IFV (of 100 in-theater)
?? TAB-80 APC (of 400 in-theater)
61 TABC-79 Scout APC (of 100 in-theater)
5 2S19 SPH (of 80 in-theater)
7 9K58 Smerch MLRS (of 80 in-theater)

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