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land:
20000 infantry
155 Churchill tanks (http://www.warbirdpictures.com/ATC/ATC-BritishChurchill-1.jpg)
125 M1A1 Abrams (http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/rcc/rcc-44909960b4f06M1A1%20Abram%20over%20car.jpg)
235 Heavy jeeps (http://img.alibaba.com/photo/11506881/Military_Or_Transport__Cargo__Heavy_Duty_Jeep.jpg)

Air:
15 Mig-31(s) (http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/types/russia/mig/mig-31/mig-31_2.jpg)
25 apache attack helicopters (http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/systems/dvic293.jpg)
70 special ops forces

Navy:
2 aircraft carriers
5 destroyers
8 crusiers
20000 marienes
150 M1A1 Abrams

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The sizes are a tad small, especially for the navy. A nimitz carrier on its own requires I think about 5,000 personal. It would also be nice to see what planes are on the carriers. Just more of everything would be an improvement. Also, perhaps list the standard issue equipment for your soldiers.

okey dokey

... you're using Churchill tanks? Alongside the Abrams? Churchills are from WW2...

You probably need some more different ship classes- frigates, subs, support ships especially for 2 aircraft carriers. Names of ships would be good too.

No IFVs/APCs?

was gonna say, churchill is contemporary with the sherman,
Challenger 1 (http://www.inetres.com/gp/military/cv/tank/Challenger1/Challenger1.jpg) is the british contemporary of the M1A1

i can use whatever tank i want

Yes, you certainly can, but the Churchill is a death trap against even a tank from the 60's, let alone the monsters you are likely to run into in combat on ns..

Don't be so quick to dismiss the usefulness fo ww2 tanks, some people in RL still use T-34s and Shermans!!! (although i think the last major sherman user: Chile finally got rid of thiers and replaced them with M24s in the early 90s).

But saying that the churchill wasn't a fantastic design back in its day, really if you want a ww2 british tank go for the Centurion (OK so it is ww2 by a bit of a stretch but ti is still offically a ww2 design ;) ). The centurion can be effectively upgraded to be pretty servicable on the modern battlefeild. Yes there is nothing to stop you using the churchill but in the end it doesn't really fit the mould of an old second line tank and that role would be fitted by one of the more popular and simplier ww2 tanks like the sherman or a slightly more modern and above all supportable tank like the Centurion, T-55, leopard 1 or M48 (possibly M60).

As for your navy there is an issue in that you have a full divsion or 2 of marines but no amphibious warfare vessels (unless one of your aircraft carriers is actually an amphibious assault carrier style design like HMS Oceon, or the american LHA/LHD style vessels) for about 20,000 troops you really should have maybe 4-6 amphibious ships: possibly 3-4 LPDs like HMS Albion and 1-2 LHAs/LHDs like the Wasp class.
And of course by the time a marine force gets to that sort of size it will likely have it's own armour and artillery units, maybe even organic air transport assets (helicopters).

OOC: While you can use whatever tank you want and do not have to listen to us, having Churchills in an MT army (excluding RP reasons) is a very bad idea. The Churchill will be defeated by IFVs, not to mention tanks. It is also very likely that light-missile armament even on jeeps should do the trick against a Churchill.

On another note, I would not mix equipment from different nations, much less NATO and Warsaw Pact weaponry. While mixing British and American tanks is not the smartest idea, it is certainly doable (I suggest you pick one of these nations for your tanks and stick with it). The problem in your factbook is that you have MiG-31s and Apache helicopters, one is American, and the other Russian, this would create a logistical nightmare because while they both need resources, they consume different types. I suggest you replace the Apaches with Hinds or Kamovs, or you replace the MiG-31 with an F-15 or whatever else you want. Compatibility is a must.

and you COULD play russian roulette with a clip loaded weapon, or an M60.

I suggest saying what type of weapons you infantry use... as well as the standard side arms for ALL troops if you have one.

EDIT: Feckin time warp

Yay russian roulette my favorite!!

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land:
20,000 infantry
155 Churchill tanks (http://www.warbirdpictures.com/ATC/ATC-BritishChurchill-1.jpg)
125 M1A1 Abrams (http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/rcc/rcc-44909960b4f06M1A1%20Abram%20over%20car.jpg)
235 Heavy jeeps (http://img.alibaba.com/photo/11506881/Military_Or_Transport__Cargo__Heavy_Duty_Jeep.jpg)

Air:
15 Mig-31(s) (http://www.aeroflight.co.uk/types/russia/mig/mig-31/mig-31_2.jpg)
25 apache attack helicopters (http://www.au.af.mil/au/awc/systems/dvic293.jpg)
70 special ops forces

Navy:
2 aircraft carriers
5 destroyers
8 crusiers
20,000 marines
150 M1A1 Abrams

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Land:
You have roughly 2 divisions worth of people, half of which should be purely devoted to logistics. As such, you may want 400 heavy (5 ton) trucks.

Scrap the Churchills for IFVs or APCs, use these to make a few mechanized battalions.
M1 is okay for a starter MBT.

I believe the Heavy Duty Jeep was either called a 'Peep' or a 'Jeep and a half', other called it a 2.5 ton or 'duece and a half' truck.

Air:
Puny, get some SAMs, some form of airlift would be useful.

MiG-31 isn't a great fighter plane, it was an interceptor/recon plane
For a small air force, use multi-role aircraft, iy'l allow greater flexability in your actions without costing too many pilots.

Navy/Marines
Scrap the aircraft carriers in favor of troopships for now, you don't have enough planes.

For sealift, use abovementioned transport helicopters from cruisers and destroyers, roughly 21. Though I'd rather have more destroyers than cruisers. So it would be more like 18 seaborne helicopters.

Still, such a setup would allow you to use vertical envelopement techniques on an amphibious operation, landing about 180 to 800 men behind enemy lines depending on what kind of helicopter you use. Though chances are, only 50% of that fleet will actually land troops in a single operation (otherwise your whole fleet is extremely vulnerable).

Using the M1A1 for a forced entry beach assault is just not possable without dedicated LSTs, and even then, such ships didn't earn the acronym 'Large, Slow, Targets" for nothing. Look into using light armor for the initial assault followed by heavy stuff once the beech is secure.

Your Marine count is way too high, unless you are including all navy personel.

Overall:
A bit more specific on what sort of cruisers, destroyers, and aircraft carriers you plan on using would be helpful.
As you went and specified particular models of aircraft and land vehicles, leaving your navy nondescript, leaves something to be desired

Infantry descriptions are nice. Along with organisation, since it rolls of the tongue better to say X division is being deployed in Y. Rather than list every person and tank piecemeal

OOC:
Most people would split up their military to Navy, Army, Air Force, Marines, Coast Guard (if you have a shoreline), Etc. I personally brought all my military (except the navy) under the wing of the Marine Corps roughly 8 RL months ago or so. I'd suggest something like this though for you.


MILITARY
_____Army
__________Infantry
_______________Specific Numbers and Weapons
__________Land Vehicles
_______________Specific Numbers and Types
__________Etc.
_______________Specific Numbers and Weapons

_____Air Force
__________Jet Fighters
_______________Specific Numbers and Types
__________Bombers
_______________Specific Numbers and Types
__________Recon & Etc.
_______________Specific Numbers and Types

_____Navy
__________Aircraft Carriers
_______________Specific Numbers and Types
__________Frigates
_______________Specific Numbers and Types
__________Guided Missile Cruisers
_______________Specific Numbers and Types
__________Cruisers
_______________Specific Numbers and Types
__________Submarines
_______________Specific Numbers and Types
__________Hosptial Ships
_______________Specific Numbers and Types
__________Troop Transports
_______________Specific Numbers and Types
__________Etc.
_______________Specific Numbers and Types

Thank you for your great comments!