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I'm looking to have a communist rebellion go down in my country, and I'd like to have the rebellion played out by a true communist. The attached map might help; nation is 4000km x 1800km for the mainland. The rebellion will occur in Ville des Lumieres (City of Lights, historically seperatist and left wing) and Ville de Deplorent; along with their entire Homeguard detachments.

Motives are your own; basically the government has been cracking down on communist fronts after a biological weapon was stolen and used in The People's Freedom (all stolen samples since used). Furthermore, the government has committed gross human rights violations with little international opposition (i.e. prisoners, including some politicals, are used for target practice on the Restricted Isles; people with incurable STDs are sent to non-forced labor "containment" camps; other offenses such as furryism made a capital offense, etc); all of which can probably be used for international support.

http://web.bentley.edu/students/k/krug_jona/map%20of%20mer%20des%20ennuis.gif

I'd be more than willing to clarify any questions at all, and I'd like to keep this going to the bitter end.

Edit: might as well include lists of who supports who
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Communist Rebels
Population of Foreign Powers: 18.035 billion
Defense Budget of Foreign Powers: 61.837 trillion
1. Wanderjar - Playing as Rebels
2. H-Town Tejas
3. Czechalrus
4. Beddgelert
5. Kilani
6. East Lithuania

Capitalist Government
Population of Foreign Powers: 18.445 billion
Defense Budget of Foreign Powers: 83.364 trillion
1. Mer des Ennuis
2. Errikland
3. Spit Break
4. Zackaroth
5. The Silver Sky
6. Antigir
7. Whyatica

Others
1. Blackhelm Confederacy - profiteering and plundering (possibly as a peace keeper); primary capitalist standby
2. 3ra - roleplaying a citizen
3. Leocardia - peace keeping
4. Lyras - Secondary Capitalist Standby, profiteering and plundering
5. Corbournne - role playing a citizen
6. Adamta - Roleplaying a citizen
7. Vetaka - Peace Keeping
8. Olmedreca - Tertiary Capitalist Standby; Peace Keeper

I'll support the Communists.

Later result; it would be pointless to plan the entire thing out; if enough commies of a big enough size decide to join in, I couldn't hope to fight them all. I'll be honest: my military doctrine would require an immideate occupation of Ville de Deplorent; if I don't, Inchon-style landings would bypass the rocky terrain of the west and allow for a direct assault on the Capital. The south, however, would be left to fend for itself.

As an edit, the communists might have the option of sending (intercepted) pleas for aid before they activley rebel.

Is this revolt absolutely going to be sucessful, no matter what? Or absolutely unsucessful, no matter what?
Or are you going to let it go as the resulting war goes?

If the latter is the case, I may get involved.

Later result; it would be pointless to plan the entire thing out; if enough commies of a big enough size decide to join in, I couldn't hope to fight them all. I'll be honest: my military doctrine would require an immideate occupation of Ville de Deplorent; if I don't, Inchon-style landings would bypass the rocky terrain of the west and allow for a direct assault on the Capital. The south, however, would be left to fend for itself.

As an edit, the communists might have the option of sending (intercepted) pleas for aid before they activley rebel.

Well, in that case, I will likely intervene against the communists.

I will also come in on behalf of the entire PLANT region to fight the communists

I would be interested. I'd help stave off the commies.

Capitalist obviously :P

Bump. Looking for commies still; come on Comintern!

I'm interested, I will support my Comrades the Communist revolutionares of your nation.

Mind if I just send in supplies, possibly to a fascist or corporate driven third party?

Blackhelm: care to elaborate a bit? I'm not sure exactly what you mean.

Mind if I just send in supplies, possibly to a fascist or corporate driven third party?

I could hardly fight against forces supported by you, my friend.

Why not just support the somewhat oppressive current government in exchange for some sort of economic concessions? That's my plan.

I can RP the rebels.

I don't quite have time to RP the communist rebels themselves, but the Indian Soviet Commonwealth would certainly be interested in helping 'true' communists, possibly through The Communist League (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=519109) in which the Soviets are attempting to interest foreign movements. Democratic accountability, popular over-sight in everything, workplace self-management, and profit-sharing are the key issues supported by the Soviet-backed League.

With 8.4+ billion citizens and one of the largest and fastest-growing anti-capitalist economies in the multiverse, the Beddgelens can render as much or as little help as you desire.

Beddgelert: good to have an actual communist involved with this. I'm not sure how the rebellion will attempt to lead itself if it succeeds; radical movements have a habit of working out the details at a later date. I'll happily add you to the fold.

Leocardia: I'd like to keep my options open for the time being; get a bit of a candidate pool going.

Ah, well, the Commonwealth has had its problems. We call it the Fourth Commonwealth, now. The First is now remembered as a shambolic Marxist-Leninist Party-oriented dictatorship, the Second as an even more shambolic anarchism, and so on.

Just a note aside: my original nation is Beth Gellert, but, for some reason, that can't access the Jolt forums, so I post with Beddgelert, which is just the Celtic spelling of the former, pronounced the same way, yada yada.

Also, man, your nation looks Scottish =)

You should hit up #themodcave and alert them of the issue.

If you can get any of your socialist/commie buddys interested in this, we might have a shindig! I know I can probably get a few big capitalismos in on this as well; and we need a war with some experienced (i.e. not-as-wankish) RPers; the OMFGWARONCOMMYOUNIZUM is horrible!

Edit:

Actually, I think it is a small carribean island scaled up. City names are in French (I had to retranslate about a quarter of them back into English, forgot what they ment); TSS helped me with the scale; making it much more realistic.

Seriously, look at Scotland (http://www.disabilitytravel.com/images/scotland_map.gif)!

Stranraer has gone commie! =)

Right, I have to get off-line now, internet cafe's closing, but I'll be back tomorrow.

We'd be interesting in helping out our Comrades in their fight for liberation from the oppressors.

My nation description might say we're capitalists, but we have a 100% income tax rate and extensive social services, so go figure. This nation has always been roleplayed as communist and that hasn't cahnged yet...

hiya we are a small region unfortunately but if you where to let us now how it is u would like "outside" influence to help with this communist rebellion i will put it forth to my people and hopefully we can join in bringin ure nation one step closer to a brighter more free future :)

If it's not a problem, I'll join as the communist leader.

I'm a Communist. I'll roleplay your revolution.

Wanderjar: Sounds good; I'll TG you my plans for the start of this later today (if I can).

3ra and Corbournne: you both seem to be pretty new. Just to get a feel for how well you can RP, I'll let you both play ordinary Ennusians on the street after the initial rebellion starts.

I would deploy a couple of troops and special operations to fight communist forces, is it just me or is kill teh commie week?

Yea I think I'll just support your current gov. Mind if the commander you gave me gets to come home?

Great I have to work with Blackhelm!:p Just kidding. While Zackaroth hates you we are willing to stop communism from spreading. Just not on the religous extent the CA and ACTO((however the hell you spelll it))

Blackhelm: not a problem; he'll have fought in the first war against Ville des Lumieres.

Clandonia: I've always had problems with communist separtists, stringing back to an RP a few months ago. Otherwise, sure, just realize the populance is universally armed by law...

Great I have to work with Blackhelm!:p Just kidding. While Zackaroth hates you we are willing to stop communism from spreading. Just not on the religous extent the CA and ACTO((however the hell you spelll it))

...did I ever do anything to you?

You stopped me from invading another country because you thought i was a commie when infact communism was banned in zackaroth at that time...

I'd love to fight the commies.

But damn it, Wanderjar's part of the DC and so am I.
And he's commie...

What the hell, I'll fight. (Not a word of this to the DC, or I'll......)

Oh crap and i am part of the DC to....well poo cakes...

No offence transylvania if you know about this, but, we could just not tell the DC.

Anyway, he should understand. Everyone loves a good RP.
Besides, it's not exactly a huge nuclear war.....

You stopped me from invading another country because you thought i was a commie when infact communism was banned in zackaroth at that time...

I stopped you from invading somwhere? I don't recall...weren't you one of the original CA members? Or that may have been Zachyd, I am not sure.

Blackhelm: I was never in the CA. I was gonna join but I saw how Griffencrest was and I decided the CA could do without one more Oil producing nation. So i joined the DC!:)

Antigr: Knowing the Count he would find out and I don't feel like having a crisis on my hands....

I would support capitalist government if possible.

Blackhelm: I was never in the CA. I was gonna join but I saw how Griffencrest was and I decided the CA could do without one more Oil producing nation. So i joined the DC!:)

Antigr: Knowing the Count he would find out and I don't feel like having a crisis on my hands....

You are all that afraid of the count? If he attacks you for defending your way of life, than I, along with the CA will turn him into a wasteland.

Just an FYI: I'm going to my girlfriend's house for the week; I'll only be able to devote a small amount of time to this UNTIL next sunday, in which case I can go back to OCDing on nationstates

I'm a Communist. I'll roleplay your revolution.

Your nation is not getting involved personally, is it? Because our alliance would really be in hot water if our militaries are fighting each other.

as a loyal Ennusian i guarantee my loyalty 2 the communist leader and will do anthing in my power 2 help once i get news of the start of the rebellion. it would be good 2 get in contact witother Ennusians as once the rebellion enters the city we could aid u in taking over the city. however in order 2 do this we will need weapons.

80% of the population is seen as being fit for military service, and is armed by the government with a m16a4 chambered for 5.56 NATO, for familiarity purposes, minimum (many have government surplus Steyr Aug A3s chambered in 6.8 SPC). This is one weakness of my system: the home guard revolt led to major reforms, but being armed is a main tenant of society.

This is getting big but the communists seem to have the edge.

So when does it start?

Oh great, griffencrest, well, We Buy It Inc./Hostile Takeover Inc. troops can handle you themselves, leaving the government troops to take on the commies. :)

That new fleet I comissioned will come in handy, and I can always bring in more allies.

Imperial Whyatica is on the side of the capitalists, naturally.

80% of the population is seen as being fit for military service, and is armed by the government with a m16a4 chambered for 5.56 NATO, for familiarity purposes, minimum (many have government surplus Steyr Aug A3s chambered in 6.8 SPC). This is one weakness of my system: the home guard revolt led to major reforms, but being armed is a main tenant of society.

80% of the population? Do you mean 80% of the adult population? (Otherwise, you're arming kids...)

80% is pretty extreme I mean if i could arm 80% of my population i'd have a few billion troops, not even the combined regional ZAFT forces have a billion (i think sites still down XD). Heck I could even bring in the entire PLANT regional military force of over 650 million (most likely over 700 million now) but thats over kill.

Since both sides are even, can I be a neutral watcher, who happens to deploy soldiers in your country as peacekeeping?

Oh, I may have forgotten to mention:

The full Errikan Empire consists of Errikland (with its colonies) as well as the two protectorates, Rachkldom and Youlando. That may influence my numbers, as I can, if necessary, mobilize their populations and economies.

Since both sides are even, can I be a neutral watcher, who happens to deploy soldiers in your country as peacekeeping?

you could be a police force patroling a DMZ between the two sides, and then say the communists make there move and move into the DMZ, your troops try to force them back but fail and retreat to the other side of the DMZ were they warn the democratic forces leading to the war.

What places would these rebels start with?

Would there be rebellion everywhere?

you could be a police force patroling a DMZ between the two sides, and then say the communists make there move and move into the DMZ, your troops try to force them back but fail and retreat to the other side of the DMZ were they warn the democratic forces leading to the war.

Why does it have to be the commies that make their move, why not the capitalists?

Why does it have to be the commies that make their move, why not the capitalists?

They're in power.

EDIT: I see what you mean now. Rebels, communist or not, tend to be more . . . volitile.

Who is going to believe a capitalist aggressor?

The American public believed... heh, sorry, sorry, I'm being bad.

Anyway, I too am a little busy with real-life at the moment, but if I miss the start of this just shoot me a telegram and I'll get on it by the next day (well, I dunno, time differences and all...).

They're in power.

EDIT: I see what you mean now. Rebels, communist or not, tend to be more . . . volitile.

Not necessarily.

Who is going to believe a capitalist aggressor?

Half the NS world? You know, considering more than half the time is you lot that makes "your move".

To all those concerned about partaking in this due to my involvement, do not fear. Wanderjar itself will only contribute advisors once the revolution has taken off. The actual rebels will merely be roleplayed by myself, but not the Wanderjarian Government. So, to all my DC allies involved, do not fear! You are in no way breaking the pact nor losing me as an ally.


:D

so how we going about this? could we possibly get a map?

Shit. I can't join.
DC............

Why not? I am in the DC and i am stoll joining. Wanderjar is only rping as the rebels. Not as his army.

Not necessarily.

Thus the phrase "tend to be" :rolleyes:

I'd be interested in using this event as a means of coming out of international isolation. I would be backing the government, and use of Lyran forces would almost amount to an atrocity in itself.

Lyras has a government that, in NS terms, speaks for itself... when RP, it is as follows;

The Protectorate of Lyras could, quite feasibly, be mistakenly termed a highly militarised state. That would be incorrect as Lyras is not so much a state with a military, but rather military that owns a state. The Protectorate utilises universal, 100% conscription, with its entire economy and infrastructure geared towards maximising military strength in one means or another. Non-combatant roles that do not, directly or otherwise, service the military are not permitted. Military units perform traditionally “civilian” roles, such as food production.
Training is begun from the moment an infant is born, which occurs, in and of itself, to an approximate schedule. Women are provided contraceptives, and are directed to use them, save when a cohort is ordered to reproduce. The resulting clutch of children is the nucleus of another training unit, which is a common long-term means of increasing the establishment strength of the Protectorate. Those born with incapacitating birth defects are either sold overseas, or utilised for medical research.
Preventative medicine, notably immunisations, and disease treatment are not part of the Lyran medical system, although that service is permitted for foreign dignitaries. Most of them, however, prefer to use the facilities within their embassies. Injuries and infection are treated as per international norms, but the health system is designed to foster the gradual strengthening of the Lyran gene-pool.
The government raises all children with the educational end-state being the most effective soldier or officer possible for the service branch they are selected to go to at the completion of their training. Principles of honour, duty and sacrifice for the Protectorate are inculcated as a matter of course. Training in minor infantry tactics is standard, compulsory, and is regularly reviewed and/or revised. Weapons and ammunition are standard issue to Lyran citizenry.
Disputes between parties that are not resolved amiably can be, and usually are, resolved through trial by combat. Fatalities are common, and accepted. If the person is not willing to put their life on the line to resolve the dispute, then they obviously don’t feel strongly enough about it, and their opponent, who obviously does, is entitled to it simply because of the strength of his determination. Lyras’ people are barcoded, and the legal system is swift, and (brutally) efficient. The right to privacy is not considered. Personal property is a tenuous proposition, and granted solely as a reward for service to the Protectorate.
Every man woman and child is placed somewhere on the very unusual Lyran rank system, the lowest rank, tellingly, being “Noncombatant”. No differentiation is made on the basis of sex, sexual preference or race. Lyras is perhaps the most brutally direct example of a Darwinian meritocracy seen. Nevertheless, the work ethic of the populace, inculcated as it is, high mineral wealth and very strong central government ensures that Lyras is seen as a superb marketplace for any given product that can actually fight its way into the state, and Lyran government contracts are immensely sought after. The Protectorate’s highest level of government is the “Executive Command Staff”, and is made up of the 9 senior figures of the Lyran state, including the holder of Lyras’ most senior office, Warmarshal of the Protectorate.

So what do you think? Interested?

As far as commitment strength goes, Lyras' only regional check is the Varessan Commonwealth, and they are busy with the quagmire in Upper Virginia... so for the first time in decades, the Protectorate has a free hand.

Tell us what you need...

I'd be interested in using this event as a means of coming out of international isolation. I would be backing the government, and use of Lyran forces would almost amount to an atrocity in itself.

Lyras has a government that, in NS terms, speaks for itself... when RP, it is as follows;

The Protectorate of Lyras could, quite feasibly, be mistakenly termed a highly militarised state. That would be incorrect as Lyras is not so much a state with a military, but rather military that owns a state. The Protectorate utilises universal, 100% conscription, with its entire economy and infrastructure geared towards maximising military strength in one means or another. Non-combatant roles that do not, directly or otherwise, service the military are not permitted. Military units perform traditionally “civilian” roles, such as food production.
Training is begun from the moment an infant is born, which occurs, in and of itself, to an approximate schedule. Women are provided contraceptives, and are directed to use them, save when a cohort is ordered to reproduce. The resulting clutch of children is the nucleus of another training unit, which is a common long-term means of increasing the establishment strength of the Protectorate. Those born with incapacitating birth defects are either sold overseas, or utilised for medical research.
Preventative medicine, notably immunisations, and disease treatment are not part of the Lyran medical system, although that service is permitted for foreign dignitaries. Most of them, however, prefer to use the facilities within their embassies. Injuries and infection are treated as per international norms, but the health system is designed to foster the gradual strengthening of the Lyran gene-pool.
The government raises all children with the educational end-state being the most effective soldier or officer possible for the service branch they are selected to go to at the completion of their training. Principles of honour, duty and sacrifice for the Protectorate are inculcated as a matter of course. Training in minor infantry tactics is standard, compulsory, and is regularly reviewed and/or revised. Weapons and ammunition are standard issue to Lyran citizenry.
Disputes between parties that are not resolved amiably can be, and usually are, resolved through trial by combat. Fatalities are common, and accepted. If the person is not willing to put their life on the line to resolve the dispute, then they obviously don’t feel strongly enough about it, and their opponent, who obviously does, is entitled to it simply because of the strength of his determination. Lyras’ people are barcoded, and the legal system is swift, and (brutally) efficient. The right to privacy is not considered. Personal property is a tenuous proposition, and granted solely as a reward for service to the Protectorate.
Every man woman and child is placed somewhere on the very unusual Lyran rank system, the lowest rank, tellingly, being “Noncombatant”. No differentiation is made on the basis of sex, sexual preference or race. Lyras is perhaps the most brutally direct example of a Darwinian meritocracy seen. Nevertheless, the work ethic of the populace, inculcated as it is, high mineral wealth and very strong central government ensures that Lyras is seen as a superb marketplace for any given product that can actually fight its way into the state, and Lyran government contracts are immensely sought after. The Protectorate’s highest level of government is the “Executive Command Staff”, and is made up of the 9 senior figures of the Lyran state, including the holder of Lyras’ most senior office, Warmarshal of the Protectorate.

So what do you think? Interested?

As far as commitment strength goes, Lyras' only regional check is the Varessan Commonwealth, and they are busy with the quagmire in Upper Virginia... so for the first time in decades, the Protectorate has a free hand.

Tell us what you need...

I like you.

It is good that we are fighting on the same side, and I would like to have more of this in the future.

While I have every intention of participating, Lyras is not generally known for its benevolent foreign policy. What would you think would be a good incentive or motivation for Lyras to become involved in the conflict?

While I have every intention of participating, Lyras is not generally known for its benevolent foreign policy. What would you think would be a good incentive or motivation for Lyras to become involved in the conflict?

Perhaps you see this as a chance to flex your military might, or you expect to gain something.

The expectation of gain, in some form, drives all nations in their foreign policy. I speculate as to what Lyras could be said or seen to gain from this situation.

Although I, as an RP-er, just want to flex :mp5: :sniper:

Not that that means god-modding... I have no intention of ruining everyone else's rp...

Oh great, griffencrest, well, We Buy It Inc./Hostile Takeover Inc. troops can handle you themselves, leaving the government troops to take on the commies. :)

That new fleet I comissioned will come in handy, and I can always bring in more allies.

I think we are....dare I say...on the same side.

heh this thread will be perfect to test my newly built force of AEGIS III class battle ships. Any one other then me think AA guns beat other AA weapons? I mean i got missiles and AA guns but i think AA guns work best since you cant really intercept a bullet.

Depends what kind of bullet. And with what you plan to intercept it. The Indian Soviet response to being shot-at with AAA is generally to move out of the way, launch anti-radiation missiles, fly in something armoured, fly a bit higher, fly a bit lower, fly a bit faster, shoot back from out of gun-range, this and that. We certainly don't see AAA as better than SAMs, nor as worse. 's all about layers, for the Soviets. A 17mm HMG here, an optically-guided MANPAD there, a 37mm cannon in between and an ABM battery over that way.

Still, at the moment I imagine that the Soviets will be sending more small-arms and partisans than heavy equipment. This ought to be somewhat interesting, eh. Now, if only we could start this on Labour Day...

Hmmmmmmmm... an interesting observation...

Why not? I am in the DC and i am stoll joining. Wanderjar is only rping as the rebels. Not as his army.

Hey....:)
Hey!!!
You're right....can i land somewhere off the coast?

Depends what kind of bullet. And with what you plan to intercept it. The Indian Soviet response to being shot-at with AAA is generally to move out of the way, launch anti-radiation missiles, fly in something armoured, fly a bit higher, fly a bit lower, fly a bit faster, shoot back from out of gun-range, this and that. We certainly don't see AAA as better than SAMs, nor as worse. 's all about layers, for the Soviets. A 17mm HMG here, an optically-guided MANPAD there, a 37mm cannon in between and an ABM battery over that way.

Still, at the moment I imagine that the Soviets will be sending more small-arms and partisans than heavy equipment. This ought to be somewhat interesting, eh. Now, if only we could start this on Labour Day...

Ah so your right, I use a combo of either 40mm or 75mm CIWS guns on my ships in combination with Surface to air missiles.

Antigr explain the point to landing your troops OFF the coast. Any way a map or even a description of where we will be would be nice otherwise we will be making it up as we go.

I’m constantly updating the opening post with information on which RPer is assigned where

The RP will start sometime after next Saturday; I’m currently at my girlfriend’s house and Wanderjar is out for the week. Since I want this to start off with a bang, it will take me some time to actually write the opening posts.

The map is in the opening post, but here it is. The scale is 1 pixel = 6 km. http://web.bentley.edu/students/k/krug_jona/map%20of%20mer%20des%20ennuis.gif

The initial rebellion will occur in Ville des Lumieres; a somewhat fortified city (but not too much due to it’s history of dissent) and Ville de Deplorent. Ville de Deplorent will be smashed; if it fell to a foreign power, it would allow any foreign power to bypass the rocky treacherous west coast for a direct assault on the capital.

In the south, things get interesting. Ville des Lumieres, in addition to being a port, was leveled long ago, and is the most modern of the cities, and, being close, exerts some political influence on the neighboring cities of Ville de Bruit, and, to a limited extent, Ville d’Espoir. If the rebels some how managed to capture the ancient city (the first founded on the island) of Mer de Ville d’Ennuis (Mer des Ennuis City), it would be a huge psychological blow.

Each city has 8 Homeguard Divisions under their command, each containing 20,564 men; with primary combatants being 2 light brigades (18 battalions of infantry), 3 armored battalions (64 Nakils 1A1’s each) and 3 attack battalions (wielding 80 modified ZSU-23-4 Shilkas as an anti-infantry/anti-air vehicle). Each NG division has 8,940 dedicated combatants.

Basically, the way this will go down is Ville des Lumieres will be left alone for at least a week while the government forces scramble to re-take Ville de Deplorent.

Coastal defences usually consist of 28" stationary guns (controlled by the Navy), 16" ZMI-designed "Stormhammer" towed howitzers, Khan-Class anti-shipping missiles, and "Goal-Keeper" CIWS installations for fixed assets. For air defense, home-built S-400f MK2 missiles are layered with THAAD TELAR setups, and Homeguard 4s8m Triarius BADS Air Dense System (Which, I believe is either a Doomish or a MassPwnage design). Lumieres does not have nearly as many defenses as Deporent, but it is unlikely they will be captured by rebel forces (key word is unlikely, it could happen).

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Olmedreca – I’ll put you into the “peacekeeper” category since this may involve a DMZ some sort.

Blackhelm: I’m putting you as a profiteer and plunderer; which seems to be right up your alley

Lyras: At this time, we, if anything, need more commies to get involved; Whyatica’s addition to the capitalist side, the sides are too imbalanced. If you want, you can join Blackhelm’s profiteering and plundering, send “advisors”, what ever.

Blackhelm: I’m putting you as a profiteer and plunderer; which seems to be right up your alley


Although usually that would be my preference, I was gunna use the actual Confederate soldiers this time, instead of Griffincrest, so do you thin I can help out the government? If there are too many guys or whatever, I can still switxh over to Griffincrest and plunder and all.

For now, we have too much power on the capitalist side; if that becomes unbalanced again, you're first on the list.

It seems the best route for us capitalist forces is to set up a line of defence outside of Port d'Honneur spanning that entire area cutting off rebal forces and holding them in the south. By my own predictions after the rebellion breaks out in the south it will be about a day or so before Ville de Bruit falls and then Ville d’Espoir a couple days later. The rebels will most likely swing east to take the ports before moving north. A week later they will be moving north by then capitalist forces will be inplace to counter this push but communist force will also be coming in. Ville de Deplorent I think can go either way depending on who gets reinforced first. If the communists move in first most likely government forces will be pushed back as far as the capital. How ever if government allies arrive first its more then likely the rebels will be wiped out. To hit the moral of government forces the communists will most likely attempted a attack on Mer de Ville d’Ennuis at the earliest possible date meaning its a good place for capitalist fores to reinforce.

you could be a police force patroling a DMZ between the two sides, and then say the communists make there move and move into the DMZ, your troops try to force them back but fail and retreat to the other side of the DMZ were they warn the democratic forces leading to the war.

yeah i should do that...

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My thoughts exactly. Knowing that the founder's city cannot fall, i'll probably dispatch a corps immediatly for that region; most major military bases are concentrated in the center regions and the "restricted isles." Since the rebels will be very heavy on lowly-trained infantry, I envision human-wave type attacks on Bruit and POSSIBLY Espoir. The main disadvantage most of the rebels will have is that the Four Ports are heavily fortified thanks to the navy, and the rebel's navy will be token at best. They'll also lack any real air support; most of Mer des Ennuis's Airforce is UCAVed, with the main headquarters in the central region. Most of it depends on how quickly foreign forces can arrive, but Ville de Deplorent will be heavily assaulted first and foremost by as large a force as an army group.

Hope thats not too much info; I'll begin writing the RP propper sometime this week after Wanderjar gets back to me.

is there still time to sign up?

For now, we have too much power on the capitalist side; if that becomes unbalanced again, you're first on the list.

Alrighty, than Griffincrest plundering it is.

Alrighty, than Griffincrest plundering it is.

Griffincrest forces may be a bit preoccupied, given recent developments.

Can I still sign up? If so I'll be on the capitalist side.

Can I still sign up? If so I'll be on the capitalist side.

I still want to be on the Communist.

If allowed I'll be on the Communist side.

Olmedreca – I’ll put you into the “peacekeeper” category since this may involve a DMZ some sort.

Hmm, I don't think that I would make good peacekeeper because my nation is very capitalistic and has appied to join ACTO(Anti Communist Treaty Organization). So commies probably wouldn't agree with me as peacekeeper, and my nation is little bit too small(less than 300 million) anyway to be taken seriously as peacekeeper then some really big nations are involved. So I still would like to join capitalist side if possible.

id be willing to be a Peacekeeper. I am a rather netural nation and have just deployed peacekeepers to Strator.

Adamta: Since your post count is low, i'll do a 1 post test; Can you role play a citizen once the RP proper goes down?

Leocardia: Approved; i'll add you to the forces later today

Vetaka: Approved for peace keeper, i'll add you to the chart later today

East Lithuania: Approved; i'll add you to the forces later today

Olmedreca: The main reason I'd like to add you as a peace keeper is that the capitalist side is much more powerful than the Communist side and I don't want this to turn into a dogpile; however, membership in ATCO will not preclude you from acting as a peacekeeper; ATCO is a free organization, meaning that the membership is not fixed. Feel free to be an unbiased peace keeper.

I guess not, I don't know what a role play proper is.

Olmedreca: The main reason I'd like to add you as a peace keeper is that the capitalist side is much more powerful than the Communist side and I don't want this to turn into a dogpile; however, membership in ATCO will not preclude you from acting as a peacekeeper; ATCO is a free organization, meaning that the membership is not fixed. Feel free to be an unbiased peace keeper.

I understand your point. I agree being in peacekeeper category at the moment, but can you put me to capitalist side queue, so that I could join capitalists if some big commies join and balance it?

Adamta: that means once the RP itself starts; i'm going to be writing the posts in the next day or two when I get the chance.

Olmedreca: I'll update the origional post reflecting that.

think we better start balancing the sides like say if the communists have a major advantage we stop accpeting communists and accapt enough capitalists to balance it out

think we better start balancing the sides like say if the communists have a major advantage we stop accpeting communists and accapt enough capitalists to balance it out

I think the Guerrillas of mine, though likely supposed to lose, will do quite well.

Also, hey man! I've not seen you since the last Black Crusade of mine!

I'd be interested in using this event as a means of coming out of international isolation. I would be backing the government, and use of Lyran forces would almost amount to an atrocity in itself.

...

As far as commitment strength goes, Lyras' only regional check is the Varessan Commonwealth, and they are busy with the quagmire in Upper Virginia... so for the first time in decades, the Protectorate has a free hand.

Tell us what you need...

Mer des Ennuis, on behalf of the Varessan Commonwealth, and all non-Lyran nations of the Storn Archipelago, we urge commonsense in this situation.

We are heavily committed elsewhere, and will be unable to render assistance directly, but we strongly advise that you DO NOT let Lyran Protectorate Forces on to your soil.

While we have no doubt they will accomplish the tasks you set them, they, and the wider Lyran state have no scruples, and you may find far more of your civilians in the firing line or standing in front of a wall than you, as a nation, would be comfortable with.

Make no mistake. Once you let the Lyrans into your territory, you may very well wish you hadn't.

With sympathy

Alex Shaw
Foreign Minister
Varessan Commonwealth

Pff, don't worry about imbalance! Communists tend to be underdogs, but that in itself doesn't always keep the noose from bourgeois necks!

Soviet India will have a MANPADS for Mer-Coms drive or somethin' =)

Mer des Ennuis, on behalf of the Varessan Commonwealth, and all non-Lyran nations of the Storn Archipelago, we urge commonsense in this situation.

We are heavily committed elsewhere, and will be unable to render assistance directly, but we strongly advise that you DO NOT let Lyran Protectorate Forces on to your soil.

While we have no doubt they will accomplish the tasks you set them, they, and the wider Lyran state have no scruples, and you may find far more of your civilians in the firing line or standing in front of a wall than you, as a nation, would be comfortable with.

Make no mistake. Once you let the Lyrans into your territory, you may very well wish you hadn't.

With sympathy

Alex Shaw
Foreign Minister
Varessan Commonwealth

This is an OOC thread...

I think the Guerrillas of mine, though likely supposed to lose, will do quite well.

Also, hey man! I've not seen you since the last Black Crusade of mine!

ya its been awhile Wanderjar, thought you went into hiding or something like all the other UII members. any way back on task so what if the cummunists are the underdog, the NVA was and they won, and that was a fluke, i'd like to have a even battle so one side is not over powered. If might lead us to using WMDs and other special weapons.

My numbers in your chart thing may be a bit skewed - I already mentioned my colonies and protectorates, but I also tweak my budget. I don't give myself any more money than the calculator gives me, but I do redistribute it. 56.99999% (I know it seems random, but its just what I had left over after making all the other numbers) of $10,000,000 USD less than the total budget (the $10,000,000 is my tribute to MIA) goes into the military.

Using my own little economic calculator (using exchange rate and GDPPC from NStracker) my defence budget is $33,515,090,607,075.90 USD.

I'm going to be writing the posts tomorrow; the numbers aren't really that important, since military size and equipment doesn't necessarily equal the defense budget of a company; I myself use only about 8 trillion of my budget for a military.

I'm going to be writing the posts tomorrow; the numbers aren't really that important, since military size and equipment doesn't necessarily equal the defense budget of a company; I myself use only about 8 trillion of my budget for a military.

Perhaps we should note GDP as well, as this would cover matters such as war bonds (which wound up funding much of WWI after the initial government funds ran out, for one example) . . .

Oh . . . numbers NOT really important . . . right . . .

Somewhere Southeast of Mer des Ennuis

Hundreds of Leocardian army transport helicopters arrived from Leocardia's International Mobile Navy. The markings of the helicopters were well known by Mer des Ennuis troops as Leocardian copters. As they landed, they were at the standby mode, because they were just dropping off the troops into peacekeeping combat. Leocardian soldiers sprinted out of the helicopters, as well as HMMWV's and IFV's were escorted out of the helicopters. It was time to set a base in the random territories of Mer des Ennuis. In 30 minutes, everything was escorted and the helicopters lifted up and flew away.

The ground was well even, and the Leocardian forces created a temporary campus for themselves. It was a deserted land, no one was sighted, and therefore Leocardia decided to merge in and use the piece of land for military campus purposes. Machinegun bunkers made of sandbags were built from various checkpoints, a mile radius from the camp. Checkpoints were guarded heavily, perhaps used to maintain peacekeeping/safekeeping purposes.

It was all in all. It was a good camp.


Deployments
16,000 Leocardian soldiers
4,000 Leocardian Elite Guard (Used for Peacekeeping)
1,500 Leocardian International Peacekeeping Forces (IPF) soldiers
500 Leocardian International Patrol Police (IPP) officers [To maintain law and order]

Other Deployed Equipment
500 Lockheed Martin AGM-158 JASSM
100 Tomahawk Cruise Missile
1,500 IFVs
2,500 HMMWVs

Numbers are not so critically importnant simply because its not fight of life and death for most participants, so they probably will not concentrate their whole military and economy to this conflict.

Location: Western Mer des Ennuis

Waves gently lap up against the sandy beaches, as the light from the moon reflects off the wet sand. Suddenly Ten Aleksandrova Class LCACs (http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/9509/aleksandrovaclasste4.png) land on the beach, the frontal loading ramps slam down on the sand, two MBT-25s (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12397734#post12397734) and one T-72BM (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12293309#post12293309) drive out onto the sand from each LCAC, their tracks kicking up chunks of wet sand. The Tanks are followed by 450 fully equipped Czechalrussian soldiers, each carrying a AK-103. Mi-17s carrying D-30s, drop their cargo on the beach. The first 10 LCACs disappear back into the fog and two more LCACs make their way up to the beach, unloading a total of four TC-M1 SPAAGs (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12237807#post12237807) and two БКЧ-Ts (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?p=12331728#post12331728). The Czechalrussian forces quickly begin to set up a quick base of operations....


Units Deployed:

_Vehicles_

MBT-25 = 20 Tanks
T-72BM = 10 Tanks
TC-M1 = 4 SPAAGs
БКЧ-T = 2 IFVs

_Heavy Weapons_

D-30 = 150 Howitzers
ZPU-4 = 300 AAAs
Kornet = 500 ATGMs
Kord 12.7 = 400 HMGs

_Troops_

Czechalrussian Marines = 10,000 Men
Czechalrussian Royal Engineers = 1,000 Men
Czechalrussian Medical Staff = 500 Men
Czechalrussian Badgers (Special Forces) = 200 Men

Olmedreca;12429488']Numbers are not so critically importnant simply because its not fight of life and death for most participants, so they probably will not concentrate their whole military and economy to this conflict.

I don't care what you think.

I like to send soldiers out as peacekeeping. Just say it's free training for them on hows its like during times in the battlefield. Especially when they will be put in the middle of it.

Don't suppose I could be a standby if non of the capitalists show up?

Did I really miss start of rebellion or are some countries already deplying forces before rebellion has even started? That would look a lot like simple foreing invasion.

The rebellion hasn't started yet...

Clandonia: Sure, you and a few others are on a waiting list

count down starts now, just a few days till it starts

The rebellion hasn't started yet...

Clandonia: Sure, you and a few others are on a waiting list

Sorry about my last post, I thought the rebellion had begun and I didn't want to miss out. Regard my last post as a training mission and it took place in a mock beach set up of Mer des Ennuis.

Can I join as aid to the rebels?

Cortellen: sure, i'll add you later;

The write up is coming along fine, It is just a matter of me finding the time to write them before they're completed.

Can i land Here? (http://i151.photobucket.com/albums/s129/antigr/MerdeEnniusLandingSite.gif) (That's Port de l'Est, by the way)

Antigr: That shouldn't be a problem, but the biggest ports are in that large bay.

may my country become a player in this rebellion.

Antigr: That shouldn't be a problem, but the biggest ports are in that large bay.

I'm landing on Le Vide, if thats okay.

I'm also going to claim that city as Leocardia's military HQ in this conflict.

I'd like to support the Capitalists, if possible.

Hmm, Parthians. India's Celtic population is supposed to have served those guys as mercenaries during the clashes with Rome and the Indus peoples.

It'll make a change to be killing them.

Antigr: That shouldn't be a problem, but the biggest ports are in that large bay.

Thanks.

I figure i'll save those ports for people using million-ton oil tankers to land :D

Parthians: The capitalist side is extremely full ATM; I'll put you on the waiting list.
Centridia: On what side or as what?
Leocardia: That will be denied if you ask ICily, it is, at least at the start, too far inland and could pose a security threat to the capital if you wanted to mach an army inland.

Leocardia: I might be mistaken. If you are a peace keeper, you will be denied. if you are a communist interloper, then good luck trying to land anywhere outside of rebel controlled zones.

besides me being a peacekeeper would it be possible for me to also RP a Vetakan Security and Intelligence Service (VSIS) agent being in the cities. His reason for being their is that he was following up a lead that a well known Vetakan Criminal was hiding out their? He could not only provide Intel to Vetaka but also to the capitalists at first? What you think?

Vetaka: go right ahead. If you have any questions, let me know.

We need to keep feeding this thread with posts, or it'll die.

HeY hEY!

I will submit 50,000 badly trained men from my overrun prisons to fight to the death for any side you might wish them to fight on. Just give tham a smart uniform and occasionally feed them and they will do pretty much anything. The deal is that you just keep any that survive.

Interested ?

Not so much interested as amused...

I declare this dead.

I'll go look for a thread that'll stay alive....

Antigr, you are aware that there is a new IC and OOC thread, right?

No. I'm embarrased.