NationStates Jolt Archive

In accordance with their promises, the recently elected Nationalist Alliance Party has declared that it will begin rebuilding the Iragian military. Despite opposition from the socialist and liberal parties, the NAP has announced tens of billions in funding and the re-opening of the factories at Hamilton which have been in limbo since the fall of the People's Republic.

As one of the first acts, the Ministry of Defence has concluded a deal for 1,600 T-55 tanks from the World Soviet Party which will be shipped to the Iragian National Armaments facilities at Hamilton for retrofit and upgrading to a more modern standard. This vehicle will serve as the interim main battle tank of the Armed Forces of the Iragian Republic until such time as more money is available for a more modern model.

At present, the Armed Forces of the Iragian Republic will be based upon the following model:

Total Pesonnel: 500,000

Army: 400,000

The armed will consist of twelve divisions. Three armoured, nine mechanized. This will be the composition of the regular army component. There will be an auxillary component, the National Guard, which will consist of roughly 800,000 personnel. The National Guard will consist of approximately 140 brigades. There will be 100 Light Brigade Groups, 30 Mechanized Brigade Groups, and 10 Armoured Brigade Groups. The rest of the NG personnel will consist of specialized air and coastal defence units, and independent administrative and support personnel.

Regular Army:

1 Armoured Division:

432x T-55I Main Battle Tanks
12x T-55IC Command Tanks
48x T-55IR Armoured Recovery Vehicles
36x T-55IE Armoured Engineering Vehicles
324x BMP-1 Infantry Fighting Vehicles
324x BTR-50 Armoured Personnel Carriers
324x ICV-1 Cavalry Fighting Vehicles
72x IRV-1 Reconnaissance Vehicles
108x Mule Armoured Recovery Vehicles
108x IEV-1 Workman Armoured Engineering Vehicles
108x Howitzers
36x IRAV-1 Mobile Rocket Launcher
36x IAD-1 Air Defence Vehicles
2500x Assorted Trucks
600x IUV-1 Utility Vehicles
Assorted Command and Communications vehicles.
Total Personnel: 30,840

2 Armoured Division:

432x T-55I Main Battle Tanks
12x T-55IC Command Tanks
48x T-55IR Armoured Recovery Vehicles
36x T-55IE Armoured Engineering Vehicles
324x BMP-1 Infantry Fighting Vehicles
324x BTR-50 Armoured Personnel Carriers
324x ICV-1 Cavalry Fighting Vehicles
72x IRV-1 Reconnaissance Vehicles
108x Mule Armoured Recovery Vehicles
108x IEV-1 Workman Armoured Engineering Vehicles
108x Howitzers
36x IRAV-1 Mobile Rocket Launcher
36x IAD-1 Air Defence Vehicles
2500x Assorted Trucks
600x IUV-1 Utility Vehicles
Assorted Command and Communications vehicles.
Total Personnel: 30,840

3 Armoured Division:

432x T-55I Main Battle Tanks
12x T-55IC Command Tanks
48x T-55IR Armoured Recovery Vehicles
36x T-55IE Armoured Engineering Vehicles
324x BMP-1 Infantry Fighting Vehicles
324x BTR-50 Armoured Personnel Carriers
324x ICV-1 Cavalry Fighting Vehicles
72x IRV-1 Reconnaissance Vehicles
108x Mule Armoured Recovery Vehicles
108x IEV-1 Workman Armoured Engineering Vehicles
108x Howitzers
36x IRAV-1 Mobile Rocket Launcher
36x IAD-1 Air Defence Vehicles
2500x Assorted Trucks
600x IUV-1 Utility Vehicles
Assorted Command and Communications vehicles.
Total Personnel: 30,840

1 Mechanized Division:

216x ICV-1 Cavalry Fighting Vehicles
324x BMP-1 Infantry Fighting Vehicles
648x BTR-50 Armoured Personnel Carriers
72x IRV-1 Reconnaissance Vehicles
108x Mule Armoured Recovery Vehicles
108x IEV-1 Workman Armoured Engineering Vehicles
108x Howitzers
36x IRAV-1 Mobile Rocket Launcher
36x IAD-1 Air Defence Vehicles
2400x IUV-1 Utility Vehicles
2000x Assorted Trucks
Assorted Command and Communications Vehicles
Total Personnel: 34,752 (includes 17,376 infantry)

2 Mechanized Division:

216x ICV-1 Cavalry Fighting Vehicles
324x BMP-1 Infantry Fighting Vehicles
648x BTR-50 Armoured Personnel Carriers
72x IRV-1 Reconnaissance Vehicles
108x Mule Armoured Recovery Vehicles
108x IEV-1 Workman Armoured Engineering Vehicles
108x Howitzers
36x IRAV-1 Mobile Rocket Launcher
36x IAD-1 Air Defence Vehicles
2400x IUV-1 Utility Vehicles
2000x Assorted Trucks
Assorted Command and Communications Vehicles
Total Personnel: 34,752 (includes 17,376 infantry)

3 Mechanized Division:

216x ICV-1 Cavalry Fighting Vehicles
324x BMP-1 Infantry Fighting Vehicles
648x BTR-50 Armoured Personnel Carriers
72x IRV-1 Reconnaissance Vehicles
108x Mule Armoured Recovery Vehicles
108x IEV-1 Workman Armoured Engineering Vehicles
108x Howitzers
36x IRAV-1 Mobile Rocket Launcher
36x IAD-1 Air Defence Vehicles
2400x IUV-1 Utility Vehicles
2000x Assorted Trucks
Assorted Command and Communications Vehicles
Total Personnel: 34,752 (includes 17,376 infantry)

4 Mechanized Division:

216x ICV-1 Cavalry Fighting Vehicles
324x BMP-1 Infantry Fighting Vehicles
648x BTR-50 Armoured Personnel Carriers
72x IRV-1 Reconnaissance Vehicles
108x Mule Armoured Recovery Vehicles
108x IEV-1 Workman Armoured Engineering Vehicles
108x Howitzers
36x IRAV-1 Mobile Rocket Launcher
36x IAD-1 Air Defence Vehicles
2400x IUV-1 Utility Vehicles
2000x Assorted Trucks
Assorted Command and Communications Vehicles
Total Personnel: 34,752 (includes 17,376 infantry)

5 Mechanized Division:

216x ICV-1 Cavalry Fighting Vehicles
324x BMP-1 Infantry Fighting Vehicles
648x BTR-50 Armoured Personnel Carriers
72x IRV-1 Reconnaissance Vehicles
108x Mule Armoured Recovery Vehicles
108x IEV-1 Workman Armoured Engineering Vehicles
108x Howitzers
36x IRAV-1 Mobile Rocket Launcher
36x IAD-1 Air Defence Vehicles
2400x IUV-1 Utility Vehicles
2000x Assorted Trucks
Assorted Command and Communications Vehicles
Total Personnel: 34,752 (includes 17,376 infantry)

6 Mechanized Division:

216x ICV-1 Cavalry Fighting Vehicles
324x BMP-1 Infantry Fighting Vehicles
648x BTR-50 Armoured Personnel Carriers
72x IRV-1 Reconnaissance Vehicles
108x Mule Armoured Recovery Vehicles
108x IEV-1 Workman Armoured Engineering Vehicles
108x Howitzers
36x IRAV-1 Mobile Rocket Launcher
36x IAD-1 Air Defence Vehicles
2400x IUV-1 Utility Vehicles
2000x Assorted Trucks
Assorted Command and Communications Vehicles
Total Personnel: 34,752 (includes 17,376 infantry)

7 Mechanized Division:

216x ICV-1 Cavalry Fighting Vehicles
324x BMP-1 Infantry Fighting Vehicles
648x BTR-50 Armoured Personnel Carriers
72x IRV-1 Reconnaissance Vehicles
108x Mule Armoured Recovery Vehicles
108x IEV-1 Workman Armoured Engineering Vehicles
108x Howitzers
36x IRAV-1 Mobile Rocket Launcher
36x IAD-1 Air Defence Vehicles
2400x IUV-1 Utility Vehicles
2000x Assorted Trucks
Assorted Command and Communications Vehicles
Total Personnel: 34,752 (includes 17,376 infantry)

8 Mechanized Division:

216x ICV-1 Cavalry Fighting Vehicles
324x BMP-1 Infantry Fighting Vehicles
648x BTR-50 Armoured Personnel Carriers
72x IRV-1 Reconnaissance Vehicles
108x Mule Armoured Recovery Vehicles
108x IEV-1 Workman Armoured Engineering Vehicles
108x Howitzers
36x IRAV-1 Mobile Rocket Launcher
36x IAD-1 Air Defence Vehicles
2400x IUV-1 Utility Vehicles
2000x Assorted Trucks
Assorted Command and Communications Vehicles
Total Personnel: 34,752 (includes 17,376 infantry)

9 Mechanized Division:

216x ICV-1 Cavalry Fighting Vehicles
324x BMP-1 Infantry Fighting Vehicles
648x BTR-50 Armoured Personnel Carriers
72x IRV-1 Reconnaissance Vehicles
108x Mule Armoured Recovery Vehicles
108x IEV-1 Workman Armoured Engineering Vehicles
108x Howitzers
36x IRAV-1 Mobile Rocket Launcher
36x IAD-1 Air Defence Vehicles
2400x IUV-1 Utility Vehicles
2000x Assorted Trucks
Assorted Command and Communications Vehicles
Total Personnel: 34,752 (includes 17,376 infantry)

OOC: I will be updating as time permits, so far, this is just the rough outline. These are also the official composition, the kit and vehicles has not been procured, the personnel are not recruited and trained, and this is simply the official outline. I would like any and all comments regarding the present force structure, and right now I'm unsure as to my ratio of combat to non-combat personnel.

Looks good so far. The equipment is a tad outdated, but you explained that pretty well. What kind of howitzers do you use?

What? No organic Air Assault battalions? No tanks in your mechanized divisions? What are you modeling these on?

What? No organic Air Assault battalions? No tanks in your mechanized divisions? What are you modeling these on?

a budget?

A budget. As for tanks in the mech divisions, what makes you think I won't be down the line? I'm limited by the number of tanks I presently have, the T-55I (present working designation for Iragian upgraded T-55s). Organic air capabilities are out of the question, the equipment here is stuff we have experience using and building (or refitting at least). All our money has been spent on developing vehicles and manufacturing them (all the vehicles with an I in front, like the IUV, and ICV, are Iragian). Part politics, part practicality, part budget.

Down the road, I hope to make the mech divisions the primary arm and utilize updated T-72s. That's down the line though, first, is building the presently projected force.

Howitzers, not sure as to the specific model, but I'm figuring thus far a generic 105mm. Down the road I'll update to two battalions of 105s and a battalion of self proppelled 155 or 203s (AKA, I'm not at all with soviet artillery and thus will hold back until I find suitable eastern bloc guns)

Would you want to buy Griffincrest by anychance?

Would you want to buy Griffincrest by anychance?

I would like to buy Griffincrest Co., how much would it cost me? :D

He could replace a large number of the outdated mechanized equipment with NS designs.

Blackhelm's Mercury
(Fast, cheap, if part of CA you get a free truckload, comparable to the M-113 or BMP depending on model)

Leafansi's HT-201 "Vanquish II"
(a development of a license built Hurtian HT-101 knock off, like comparing the Type 59 to the T-54... Is used as an alternative to the Mercury within the CA)

Hurtian HT-101
(A 'jack of all trades" battlewagon at bargain pricing, electronics are a bit sparse though, so you'l have to aim the guns manually in the basic models, not a big problem since it's a one man turret)

Both the Mercury and HT-101 have been used as light tanks (and in some cases, MBTs) during times of war. The HT-201 has yet to see combat. Also, the HT-101 has steadily improved and is considered almost equal to the HT-201 in capability but with supirior mobility (the Leafansis ripped out the pumpjets to cut costs).

Many nations still choose either the BMP or Warrior IFV, some use the M2/3 IFVs or M113s. So sticking with your curent choices shouldn't hurt too much if you improve your MBT as soon as possable.

The gun of a T-55 can double as artillery and AAA if used skillfully.
(hint: it involves using that dozer blade)

I'll be looking into NS equipment (I'll take a peek at griffincrest in a few minutes) but for now, I think this will best represent the Iragian military situation. I'm not trying to build an ideal military by any means, not yet anyways, but rather reflect present political tensions and public opinion coupled with budget limits.

As for the MBT, outdated and won't last thirty seconds against an Abrams to be sure, but its not a stock T-55. Its a T-55I I being the Iragian upgraded model with stabilized gun, fire control upgrades, etc. Not anywhere near a modern tank, but better than nothing.

I've browsed Leafanistan's store, purchased factory and construction equipment, but no actual vehicles yet. Hurtful, I'll take a look at that HT-101. In a week or two , I might further upgrade the forces.

In the USA, the only difference (literally) between a mechanized division and an armored division is the ratio of armored battalions/mechanized battalions (5/5 and 6/4 for mechanized v. armored). All have organic air support (i.e. attack helicopters and some transport helicopters).

What layout of army were you following?

There was no layout, I made it up on the spot. A combination of being to lazy to check existing RL TO&Es and, well, more laziness. I'll do some searching, and refining. But again, there's going to be no organic air assets anytime soon. We don't have the money for significant helicopter forces, and at present, we're defence oriented, and have have the ability to move via land routes to all the key areas in country, which serves as our excuse for not buying helos.

I've browsed Leafanistan's store, purchased factory and construction equipment, but no actual vehicles yet. Hurtful, I'll take a look at that HT-101. In a week or two , I might further upgrade the forces.

I should note that I planned for some time to nerf the HP of the thing down to something more reasonable, such as 500 and 250 BHP Gas turbines and a 125 BHP electric motor.

710 to 806 SHP overall, depending on the condition of the drivetrain.

Have you considered small arms/unforms yet?

The Mi-26 appears to be a bit of a paper dragon/tiger of a transport heli.
King of stats, but one wonders how it fares in combat.

CH-53 is a proven powerhorse, though like all Sikorskis, they leak hydralic fluids...
Could be because they're getting old and shot full of holes...

Helos will be put on hold for the time being. As I said, all those I-- vehicles are domestic designs, and development costs and building the industry to build them cost a pretty penny. For now, small arms will be the AK-47, uniforms, a generic olive drab with similarly drab web harnesses for tactical gear. Flak vests for front line infantry, but no ballistic plates. Helmets, and not much in the way of eye protection. We might consider upgrading our uniforms, and weapons, though the AK has served in good stead.

Would you want to buy Griffincrest by anychance?

Consider yoself telegrammed mofo

Helos will be put on hold for the time being. As I said, all those I-- vehicles are domestic designs, and development costs and building the industry to build them cost a pretty penny. For now, small arms will be the AK-47, uniforms, a generic olive drab with similarly drab web harnesses for tactical gear. Flak vests for front line infantry, but no ballistic plates. Helmets, and not much in the way of eye protection. We might consider upgrading our uniforms, and weapons, though the AK has served in good stead.

Join the CA....free equipment....give in to the greed...feel the power...JOIN US!!

Join the CA....free equipment....give in to the greed...feel the power...JOIN US!!

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Consider yoself telegrammed mofo

LOL HAHAHA:p

I'll check it out.

Responded.

Join the CA...well, I guess I need allies. Why the hell not. What do I have to do specifically? Blackhelm, could you give me a link to your storefront plz?

Join the CA...well, I guess I need allies. Why the hell not. What do I have to do specifically? Blackhelm, could you give me a link to your storefront plz?

Mwaahahahahaha!

Of course, and welcome aboard!

Store..well more of an exchange (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=508486)

Corporate Alliance (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=491242)

In the USA, the only difference (literally) between a mechanized division and an armored division is the ratio of armored battalions/mechanized battalions (5/5 and 6/4 for mechanized v. armored). All have organic air support (i.e. attack helicopters and some transport helicopters).

What layout of army were you following?

Under the recent reorganizations they're all the same now. Four brigades each with one mech battalion, one tank battalion, and one cavalry squadron. I use a slightly modified system for my armored divisions. (Consider it a shameless plug for my Military Reference Thread.:D )

Join the CA...well, I guess I need allies. Why the hell not. What do I have to do specifically? Blackhelm, could you give me a link to your storefront plz?

Well, first you have to sell your soul...

Then he gives you some basic weapons and tells you to make a human wave assault against the GASN, when you complain that nobody else is following you, they generally tell you they are already there or that they are waiting for the corrct moment.

If you somehow suvive that, he starts expecting you to pay for those weapons he loaned you... (at reduced rates at least)

It also involves some stiff embargoes and a whee bit-o-piracy on the high seas. (Some GASN [or former GASN] nations have been sponsoring privateers)

After that, the GASN decides to roll out the welcome wagon to thank you for visiting them. And if their aim is off, you're supposed to go out of your way to find them and show them a good time, GASN tends to hang around Blackhelm Confederacy for everyone's convienence.

At least I'm pretty sure I have a small fleet stationed off his coast as insurance...

Under the recent reorganizations they're all the same now. Four brigades each with one mech battalion, one tank battalion, and one cavalry squadron. I use a slightly modified system for my armored divisions. (Consider it a shameless plug for my Military Reference Thread.:D )


Not sure where you got that from; I was using a somewhat old-school textbook from the Army Staff College from the mid 90's (before the javelin ATGM existed!) with lots o' helpful diagrams.

Would you want to buy Griffincrest by anychance?

:eek: No don't do it he's deceivin' ya!!

Your payment will just go into his war effort... against me!!!

For the love of God think of teh Llamas!!!

Not sure where you got that from; I was using a somewhat old-school textbook from the Army Staff College from the mid 90's (before the javelin ATGM existed!) with lots o' helpful diagrams.

This (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/agency/army/images/bct-heavy-toe.gif) nifty power Point slide courtesy of GlobalSecurity.org, details the new structure pretty well.

Bah, that's a mere brigade! If i ever find that book again, i'll happily scan a few images from it.

Bah, that's a mere brigade! If i ever find that book again, i'll happily scan a few images from it.

Exactly, divisions now contain four such brigades, thus giving each division four each of tank, mech infantry, and cavalry battalions/squadrons.

Armored and mechanized infantry divisions are now identical in all but name.

Google "Brigade Unit of Action" for more info.

I wouldn't focus to much on specs , although I my self have some for tanks and such they are merely back round for the story if you wish to have IC contact I may be able to sell you some crusaders (not British tanks my own design), and maybe some aircraft.

Well, first you have to sell your soul...

Then he gives you some basic weapons and tells you to make a human wave assault against the GASN, when you complain that nobody else is following you, they generally tell you they are already there or that they are waiting for the corrct moment.

If you somehow suvive that, he starts expecting you to pay for those weapons he loaned you... (at reduced rates at least)

It also involves some stiff embargoes and a whee bit-o-piracy on the high seas. (Some GASN [or former GASN] nations have been sponsoring privateers)

After that, the GASN decides to roll out the welcome wagon to thank you for visiting them. And if their aim is off, you're supposed to go out of your way to find them and show them a good time, GASN tends to hang around Blackhelm Confederacy for everyone's convienence.

At least I'm pretty sure I have a small fleet stationed off his coast as insurance...


Now you know that this is a gross exageration. I have not ever once left a felllow member high and dry, and also you have never launched a successful invasion of any CA states. That was all propaganda right there, and was entirely false.

The Republic of Czechalrus wishes to donate 500 Czechalrussian made T-72s to your military.

If you desire, the Errikan Government can arrange for professional trainers to come to your nation and train a high quality, professional infantry fighting force to argument your mechanized expansion.

In exchange, we would like open trade relations with your fine nation, as well as domestic manufacturing rights; these will enrich us both, and the investments in your domestic manufacturing will give you a great domestic military production capacity, which will strongly advantage you in future conflicts.

Now you know that this is a gross exageration. I have not ever once left a felllow member high and dry, and also you have never launched a successful invasion of any CA states. That was all propaganda right there, and was entirely false.

Of course I exagerated.

[minor ranting about my past dealings with CA, slight anti-CA spin of course]

Still... I wonder where the Griffencrest fleet was when I captured an Undershi convoy bound for TWSP.

I also recall a number of nations rushing to your aid during the near-counter-invasion by TWSP (and other soviet aligned nations), myself (though I didn't even get to start my attack run before the thread died), and others.

[Start of heavy rant]

As for leaving nations high and dry, myself (grew disillusioned after an incedent in Khornate), New Ausha (was invaded by his CA 'allies' after a falling out*), Clandonia Prime, and Undershi (Troops left to rot in TWSP)...

*Simply, leaving CA for an 'enemy alliance' is considered treachery within your circles, no matter how peaceful it is.

I somehow avoided that by not really joining the enemy after leaving, rather, before I joined, and somehow sweeping that record under the rug.

Even more odd, I left only after I decided to blow a few of their toys up... Yet the CA has yet to conduct a concentrated assault upon me. Even though my nation is of roughly the same size as TWSP, has reletively few ties with other nations, and has an extremely small air force and navy. I believe the entirety of the CA sent 1 soldier to invade my nation, and he still stuck in 'Customs' at my international Airport...
[pretty sure that thread is dead]

As for leaving nations high and dry, myself (grew disillusioned after an incedent in Khornate), New Ausha (was invaded by his CA 'allies' after a falling out*), Clandonia Prime, and Undershi (Troops left to rot in TWSP)...

Even though my nation is of roughly the same size as TWSP, has reletively few ties with other nations, and has an extremely small air force and navy. I believe the entirety of the CA sent 1 soldier to invade my nation, and he still stuck in 'Customs' at my international Airport...
[pretty sure that thread is dead]

Okay, first of all, You were never left to rot, you turned against us because you didn't like the way that we dealt with the locals in The Khornate Tribes and so you bailed.

New Ausha betrayed us so I coordinated his invasion.

Clandonia was nuked to a wasteland prior to signing up, and I saved Undershi's ass in TWSP.

As for the retaliation, I had a CA member, something like the new Congo or something, prepare to invade you, but he went inactive shortly after his 3rd post.

Honestly, the CA has gotten away with at least 3 invasions since the GASN said they would stop us.

Die Boerstaat
Sudafrika
and the Galation and his friend something or other.

So maybe it was 4 invasions.

We got a whole bunch of oil fields, a whole diamond field, tons of land, fisheries, and gold mines.

Did the GASN save all those people? Millions dead? I personally exterminated something like 10-15 million combined.

The GASN is going to leave you high and dry, the CA actually looks out for its people.

Right now we are coordinating a Kraven conquest, already thousands of them are dead. Think of all the llamas you could kill! :D

Honestly, the CA has gotten away with at least 3 invasions since the GASN said they would stop us.

O RLY?

Die Boerstaat

Dont know about it, couldnt care less =p

Sudafrika

Same as above

and the Galation and his friend something or other.


His nation was a hell-hole, and he kinda' deserved it, heck, he's probably better off with you guys.

O RLY?

Dont know about it, couldnt care less =p

Same as above

His nation was a hell-hole, and he kinda' deserved it, heck, he's probably better off with you guys.

If the GASN doesn't know, it doesn't care. What if the GASN doesn't know about you? Then what? He "couldnt care less =p".

Join Today! We care!

:fluffle:

Iragia, I recommend updating the BTR series, probably just a jump to the 70, or 80. And replacing your trucks with the HT-50 armored truck.

If the GASN doesn't know, it doesn't care. What if the GASN doesn't know about you? Then what? He "couldnt care less =p".

Join Today! We care!

:fluffle:

No thanks, I like to pay my workers instead of having them die working on the oil fields :D

No thanks, I like to pay my workers instead of having them die working on the oil fields :D

Griffincrest oil workers have one of the highest paying jobs for uneducated Confederate citizens. They probably get paid more than your communist laborers.

Griffincrest oil workers have one of the highest paying jobs for uneducated Confederate citizens. They probably get paid more than your communist laborers.

Probably, but do they get as much porn as mine do?

Probably, but they get as much porn as mine do?

Probably not lol.:p

Probably not lol.:p

See, more porn equals happier workers.

If the GASN doesn't know, it doesn't care. What if the GASN doesn't know about you? Then what? He "couldnt care less =p".

Join Today! We care!

Actually, there is little/no record of those nations being in the GASN since the purge of inactives.
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And no, I didn't bail on Khornate, I set up a resistance movement and you got bogged down in it, for awhile at least.

I must have missed that bit of the TWSP conflict where you saved the day, as I recall the Pudites were owning you in the west, I was reaping your rear in the north, and a large heft of the GASN was giving a stiffened resistance in the south with some powerful counter-offensives in the east [which caused Undershi to withdraw from the conflict after suffering horrific losses to TWSPs triple gatling guns]... (Then TWSP had the thing retconned)

I also remember Griffy running for his private island stronghold around that time, later to fake his death in Leafanistan, then re-appear, get elected PM, and then get a bullet through the heart.

Simply, the old history between GASN/CA is a mess...
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Anyways, we're all getting a bit off topic, this thread is about Iragia, not whose alliance has the bigger free guns.

Iragia has already joined the dark side already and I hope he sees the light before it is too late.

(TWSP [as well as any GASN affiliated nation] has a bit of a fued with CA nations, which may make future trades difficult, pretty much locking you into CA supplies, for better or worse.)

Actually, there is little/no record of those nations being in the GASN since the purge of inactives.
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And no, I didn't bail on Khornate, I set up a resistance movement and you got bogged down in it, for awhile at least.

I must have missed that bit of the TWSP conflict where you saved the day, as I recall the Pudites were owning you in the west, I was reaping your rear in the north, and a large heft of the GASN was giving a stiffened resistance in the south with some powerful counter-offensives in the east... (Then TWSP had the thing retconned)

I also remember Griffy running for his private island stronghold around that time, later to fake his death in Leafanistan, then re-appear, get elected PM, and then get a bullet through the heart.

Simply, the old history between GASN/CA is a mess...
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Anyways, we're all getting a bit off topic, this thread is about Iragia, not whose alliance has the bigger free guns.

Iragia has already joined the dark side already and I hope he sees the light before it is too late.

(TWSP [as well as any GASN affiliated nation] has a bit of a fued with CA nations, which may make future trades difficult, pretty much locking you into CA supplies, for better or worse.)

...uh..the Pudites were on our side. And I saved the day here. (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11729729&postcount=771)

Also, if I remember correctly, we were pummeling Soviet forces to hell until Aequatio stepped up, we encircled and began to crush the Rustovians, which never ended due to TWSP's retconning, and we completely obliterated a Galmirian army with a massed CA artillery barrage.

(TWSP [as well as any GASN affiliated nation] has a bit of a fued with CA nations, which may make future trades difficult, pretty much locking you into CA supplies, for better or worse.)

Pudite, me and Griffy actually have some of the cheapest and effective guns in NationStates.

Hurtful Thoughts does bigtime contracts with whomever is convenient. The World Soviet Party has some interesting things, but I'm sure I can find an equivalent somewhere else.

His most interesting products are either wasteful or too heavy. Like his Triple Chaingun, a tremendous waste in ammunition. Infantry charges can be surpressed with Kraven Assault Cannons or the Leafanistani Equivalent, or just your standard SAW. And his Chainsword is probably the most wasteful, useless weapon ever.

At 13.2 Kilos, you can't even wave it much less use it efficiently.

A Scottish Claymore weights 2.5 kilos and is hard enough to use.

This thread has illustrated perfectly why I've avoided alliances like a plague so far in NS, though I did try to create an OPEC rip off with an old nation.

Actually Leaf, I traded with you because you helped in the Chitzi conflict and I didn't want your mafia getting killed because all they used were SMGs and T-34/85s, so I gave you some early HT-101s (I gave a few to Nod as well), after the war, I decided that since you already had some stocks of it, and since your storefront had a larger market base than my own... Expanding the name recognition was a calculated risk.

I just didn't predict you'd do the Chinese thing and make your own modified versions to circumvent the 50/50 profit sharing clause...
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As we went our seprate ways, I developed the HT-106 HBT to deal with the massed Mercuries, and Leafansi HT-101s, along with providing a decent base to defend myself against MBTs of other nations [CA acquired a few after I carelessly handed a few out to the first buyer so they could be combat tested ASAP]. Then Leaf developed the up-gunned HT-201, then things went crazy as I developed 8" gun toting tanks, to which he replied with his own heavy gunned vehicles.

Leaf responded to my HAP project and CCZ-75 with the CFR-07, and a certain line of PDWs that fire rifle cartridges, among your more upscale modular pistol/carbines (which are quite good).

After providing Leaf with the designs for my 12" railway gun (which he packaged in with his own support system) and the CC-35C AMR, I considered my debts paid for.

ICly and OOCly I have a 'playful rivalry' when it come to my dealings with Leafanistan. Rivalry because his storefront is now major competition to my own meager sales, but softened by our many friendly business deals in the past.
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And I don't consider saving less than 10% of the Undershi deployment from death as a major victory, roughly 90 to 95% died by the time they pulled out, and if I recall, a number of the troop transports carrying Undershi wounded and survivors were later sunk. Plus, I remember the Pudites were shooting CA troops because they were in the way.

OMG, Hataria actually did help the GASN before he was kicked for panhandling...
Post 776.
I think I may owe him an apology...
No, wait he chickened out cbecause of the Pudites...
True, Pudites are scary people to talk with, even worse when you have to fight them at anything less than arm's length.

Czech, the T-72s are much appreciated. I've been thinking about introducing an Iragian model T-72 as the next tank up from the T-55, and those vehicles will give us enough to outfit a division.

Leafanistan, I'll upgrade either to the 70 or 80 series after the air force and navy has been built up and the present army has gotten some experience. Either that, or I'll buy up some those HT-101s.

His most interesting products are either wasteful or too heavy. Like his Triple Chaingun, a tremendous waste in ammunition. Infantry charges can be surpressed with Kraven Assault Cannons or the Leafanistani Equivalent, or just your standard SAW. And his Chainsword is probably the most wasteful, useless weapon ever.

At 13.2 Kilos, you can't even wave it much less use it efficiently.

A Scottish Claymore weights 2.5 kilos and is hard enough to use.

Oh yeah, but are they friggin' cool or what?

Czech, the T-72s are much appreciated. I've been thinking about introducing an Iragian model T-72 as the next tank up from the T-55, and those vehicles will give us enough to outfit a division.

Leafanistan, I'll upgrade either to the 70 or 80 series after the air force and navy has been built up and the present army has gotten some experience. Either that, or I'll buy up some those HT-101s.

The upgunned versions with the 23mms and such still carry people in them.

As for your navy, I recommend the Krivak Frigate because of the danger of submarines these days.

If you want to go completely looney, buy some Long Island class Escort Carriers, some Po-2 Biplanes, and some An-2 Biplanes, and drop some torpedoes on people. Cheaper than helicopters, same slow lumbering movement. And with their STOL capability it works well.

And I don't consider saving less than 10% of the Undershi deployment from death as a major victory, roughly 90 to 95% died by the time they pulled out, and if I recall, a number of the troop transports carrying Undershi wounded and survivors were later sunk. Plus, I remember the Pudites were shooting CA troops because they were in the way.


It was 10% of a single division that he purposely sent on a suicide run.

And I do not remember any Undershi transports sinking, only a carrier, nor do I see any post where the Pudites attacked CA forces.

If you desire, the Errikan Government can arrange for professional trainers to come to your nation and train a high quality, professional infantry fighting force to argument your mechanized expansion.

In exchange, we would like open trade relations with your fine nation, as well as domestic manufacturing rights; these will enrich us both, and the investments in your domestic manufacturing will give you a great domestic military production capacity, which will strongly advantage you in future conflicts.

OOC: Just being sure that you saw this, Iragia. :D

Czech, the T-72s are much appreciated. I've been thinking about introducing an Iragian model T-72 as the next tank up from the T-55, and those vehicles will give us enough to outfit a division.

Leafanistan, I'll upgrade either to the 70 or 80 series after the air force and navy has been built up and the present army has gotten some experience. Either that, or I'll buy up some those HT-101s.

You are welcome for the T-72s, they will arrive in desert tan color. We can help you design a Iragian T-72 if you wish.

Pudites deciding to shoot em all and let someone else sort heads from torsos.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11814109&postcount=1261

Another standing order of his, applying now to every commander in the Soviet Party conflict, "Damn these officials, complicating everything such. Emperor knows what should be going on down here, none of this pussyfooting around our 'allies' and 'neutral parties'. I want everyone before you who is not of our own allegiance or one fighting in the same manner, shot until dead, no exceptions."

This order cleared any confusion that may have plagued Pudite commanders as they rolled into columns of Hurtian* troops, or been bogged down by hordes of civilians. None would survive. The standing order; genocide.

Yep, he really spared you the bullet there...

*First use of the word 'Hurtian'
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Pudites deciding to shoot em all and let someone else sort heads from torsos.
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=11814109&postcount=1261



Yep, he really spared you the bullet there...

*First use of the word 'Hurtian'
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CA membership precludes me from selling certain weapons to you.

That was referring to civilians, not CA troops. Do I have to ask Pudu to back me up here?

That was referring to civilians, not CA troops. Do I have to ask Pudu to back me up here?
Hurtian soldiers are civillians?

Ah well, he was shooting troops that he saw standing idle, which may include wounded, retreating columns, resting units in the rear, etc...

So I may have misinturptreted it.
(and I'm tired, so I make spelling mistakes)

It sounded as if he was also shooting CA suplly columns bogged down by refugees.

One wonders what they'd do to a sniper/DM walking about the rear 'doing almost nothing' as they wait for the perfect shot...

Paraphrase:
ALL allies spotted not commiting themselves to the utmost in the invasion of TWSP were to be shot.

That includes generals out for a morning stroll, runners, troops on leave, and snipers being mistaken for as deserters... etc. Pinned units may also be warrant to this tyle of summary execution. And since they haven't reached the front yet, they'd be encountering a number of rear area units such as artillery waiting for a fire call, aircrews waiting for their planes to be loaded and fueled, etc. And then there are the Mobile Army Surgical Hospitals...

The general orders apparently meant to shoot any 'ally' standing next to their tank like a slack jawed yokel waiting for orders...

Rear area quartermasters and MPs would be dead within a week...

He said that they were going to fire upon "anyone not of our own allegiance or one fighting in the same manner" meaning guys that were not on the invading team, and the post was meant to say that he was going to burn Luluville to the ground.

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This order cleared any confusion that may have plagued Pudite commanders as they rolled into columns of Hurtian troops, or been bogged down by hordes of civilians. None would survive. The standing order; genocide.


That paragraph should have cleared things up. He directly says it is Hurtian troops and civilians.

Erikland, trainers and trade relations would be most welcome.

Erikland, trainers and trade relations would be most welcome.

Cool. *sends orders* Done.