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Main Battle Tank - 25
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A Czechalrussian MBT-25

Specifications

Weight: 50.7 Tonnes

Length: 6.9 Meters

Width: 3.6 Meters

Height: 2.2 Meters

Crew: 3 (commander, driver, and gunner)-Equipped With Auto-Loader

Place of origin: The Republic of Czechalrus

Production Year: 2018

Current Operators: The Republic of Czechalrus, The United Socialist States of Wagdog, The Holy Democracy of The Norlands, The Democratic Republic of Trivalvia

Conflicts Involved: Circum-Zansk War


Armor

Type: Next Gen Chobham, can be equipped with ERA for $100,000 Extra

Thickness: Classified

Armament

Primary: 125mm 3A46N Rifledbore (With computer controlled firing system)

Secondary: PKMT 7.62 Coaxial MG, NSVT DShk, can also lauch 9M119M Reflex ATGM from main gun.

Main Gun Specifications

Calibre: 125mm

Maximum Effective Range: 6,000 Meters

Ammunition: APFSDS, HEAT-FS, HE-FRAG, and, 9M119M Reflex ATGM

Ammunition Stowage

Primary: 47 Rounds

Secondary: 2,000 7.62mm x 54R, 700 12.7mm

Powerplant

Engine: Nechnav TC250 Turbo Diesel (2,500 HP)

Suspension: Torsion Bar

Range: 525 Miles (With External Drop Tanks)

Speed: 68 mph(Road), 47 mph(Off-road)

Price: $5,000,000

This looks like a good tank the only real problem I am seeing is the power plant. A 2,500 hp turbo diesel is going to suck fuel, you are never going to get a 785 mile range out of this unless you have external fuel tanks like the old T-54/55s had. I would suggest aether dropping the range considerably or reducing the size of the power plant and the speed and keeping the range.
Giving a real world example the M-1A2 has the near the performance of your MBT-25 using a jet turbine engine but its range is short compared with other lower performance tanks.
I will also assume that the MBT-25 has an auto loader or that gunner is going to be a very busy boy.


OCC- the 12 A-7As I bought a while back are going to be used soon in
" The Fall of Xeraph " Thread.

This looks like a good tank the only real problem I am seeing is the power plant. A 2,500 hp turbo diesel is going to suck fuel, you are never going to get a 785 mile range out of this unless you have external fuel tanks like the old T-54/55s had. I would suggest aether dropping the range considerably or reducing the size of the power plant and the speed and keeping the range.
Giving a real world example the M-1A2 has the near the performance of your MBT-25 using a jet turbine engine but its range is short compared with other lower performance tanks.
I will also assume that the MBT-25 has an auto loader or that gunner is going to be a very busy boy.


OCC- the 12 A-7As I bought a while back are going to be used soon in
" The Fall of Xeraph " Thread.

Yes the MBT-25 has an autoloader and it has external tanks, I sohuld have specified that before posting. I was thinking of giving it a Gas Turbine Engine for the powerplant but decided agianst it.

OCC - Thats good to hear, would you need are more to be supplied?

OOC:
Very interesting design...:cool: This is quite close to my ideal tank (well, MTly at least), in fact. Might you be able to develop HESH and APERS-T rounds for the 125mm rifle? I know that sounds more British than Soviet-style, but my army tries to use a mixture of both approaches (e.g. organization based on a knockoff of the Regimental System, cribbed onto Soviet-pattern heavy divisions with sufficient reinforcements in organization and manpower to turn them into makeshift "Armies" in both fact and name...). Especially since those two rounds, unique to rifled tank guns, pwn when in urban or other anti-infantry fighting.

I would stay with the Diesel engine the M 1A2s gas turbine is harder to maintain in harsh environments and needs higher grade mechanics then the turbo diesel. As for the A-7As I will stay with the original 12 and see how the RP works out. I am comparing them to Tarlags new M-18 Hell Cat II which is an update of the M-18 Tank Destroyer of WW II.

OOC:
Very interesting design...:cool: This is quite close to my ideal tank (well, MTly at least), in fact. Might you be able to develop HESH and APERS-T rounds for the 125mm rifle? I know that sounds more British than Soviet-style, but my army tries to use a mixture of both approaches (e.g. organization based on a knockoff of the Regimental System, cribbed onto Soviet-pattern heavy divisions with sufficient reinforcements in organization and manpower to turn them into makeshift "Armies" in both fact and name...). Especially since those two rounds, unique to rifled tank guns, pwn when in urban or other anti-infantry fighting.

If required we can refit a L30A1 120mm rifled gun on to the MBT-25 before shipping if you do chose to order. Our ammunition is made under license from the Russian Federation and we currently do not have a ordanance design department.

I would stay with the Diesel engine the M 1A2s gas turbine is harder to maintain in harsh environments and needs higher grade mechanics then the turbo diesel. As for the A-7As I will stay with the original 12 and see how the RP works out. I am comparing them to Tarlags new M-18 Hell Cat II which is an update of the M-18 Tank Destroyer of WW II.

I hope it dosen't have the weak armor the M-18 orginally had, the T-7A's DShK could punch through that.

I am still working on the stats to the M-18 but the armor has the same type the American striker uses light but fairly effective. It will not be able to stop most of the heavier caliber rounds but most light tanks armor can't anyway.
Armament will aether be a 76mm high pressure gun, a 88mm gun or a L-105 the later we have in abundance from our Merkava mark ones we have converted into Slammer SP guns.

I am doing research on the 125 type gun the MBT-25 has and I like what I see so far but the problem I would have in Fielding it would be the ammo. Tarlag uses the Merkava Family for our MBTs mainly the Mark 3 and 4 variants which uses the 120 mm smooth bore. trying to supply both the 120 mm and the 125 mm ammo could start raising some supply issues. How ever for a nation using Russian style equipment the MBT-25 would be a perfect fit.
This tank is like the fast version of the T-90.

If required we can refit a L30A1 120mm rifled gun on to the MBT-25 before shipping if you do chose to order. Our ammunition is made under license from the Russian Federation and we currently do not have a ordanance design department.



*SNIP*
OOC: Well, I'm not ironclad about needing such. If I ordered the MBT-25 and bought any domestic production rights (assuming you allow TWSP to sell rights to these...), compatibility with my country's existing Soviet/Pact standard equipment is key; and I've already bought manufacturing rights elsewhere to the 125mm smoothbore family of guns (both tank and AT) and ammo, even if we don't issue them yet due to our preference for rifles whenever possible. The changeover to the 3A46N could probably use much of the same industry as the old 2A46M did. Quite apart from the L30A1 which, being fundamentally a British gun, has wholly different metrics, production standards, and everything else.
If it comes down to it, I'd rather order the MBT-25 "as is" than cripple my army for my quirks' sake. Might you know of some resources I could use to design original ammo for both of us (and TWSP) in 125mm caliber? I'm not sure about the need for APERS-T given what I remember about the properties of Soviet HE-FRAG shells, but I could possibly derive 125mm APERS-T and HESH rounds without undue difficulty if I only knew of some leads or rules of thumb to start with.

Just looking at this quickly it seems very MT to me, but Speed: 68 mph(Road) seems pretty damn fast for a 50ton beast, and a 2.5k HP engine would take up lots of room(its over 1k more than current tanks). Then again i haven't been checking on NS tech for a while so i don't know what its like.

Oh, and like previously said that is an extremely high range, especially at those speeds

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That was basically our goal, also the MBT-25 has greater armour protection than the T-90.

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Yes, I allow production rights to be sold, but only to nations deamed worthy. Also I can allow you full access to my Ordance factory and assist you in the design of 125mm APERS-T and HESH rounds.

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The engine is completely redesigned to save space but produce mass amount of HP although I do believe the operational range is a little too unrealistic.