NationStates Jolt Archive

After the events of the Kravania\Lone Alliance war and the destruction wrought by Parthian sub launched missiles and Kravanian ICBMs, massive construction of a defense system begun. Defense spending increased dramaticly while two hundred locations within the nation were set aside, within the span of 5 years SAM sites, Flak Guns, and radar posts, were constructed, two more Stonehenge Cannon systems were completed, and over thirty space launches set up a massive network of sattelites.

To round this off the Navy designed systems of their own to counter Sub launched missiles. The Army set up checkpoints at all borders and ports to protect against a land attack and the Space Defense agency keep an eye in the sky for any nuclear launch capable sattelites.

Of course the population wasn't forgotten either, Nuclear attack drills were held while construction of large fallout shelters occured all of the nation.

Finally all preparations were complete, after a long bout of planning and a lots and lots of hard work, the skies above the Lone Alliance were a deathtrap.

-Announcement from the Lone Alliance-
Today as the Lone Alliance celebrates the 5th year of our victory over Pavelic Kravania, we proudly announce that such a tragedy of a nuclear war within our nation, will never happen again! Due to extreme planning, working, and by the efforts of every person within our nation, we are now completely immune from an enemy Nuclear first strike. This assures that never again will the cowardly actions of a nation destroy us, in fact it will only lead to their destruction by a second strike. We warn our enemies that we will not be coerced by nuclear threats ever again.

Vault-Tec
Vaults of the Future

Greetings and welcome to the club of nations with deep protection programs.
As we all know, massive construction of nuclear-protected Vaults is a massive engineering and industrial effort. Being the major contractor for underground construction for 6 nations already, counting trillions of cubic meters excavated and over a billion people housed, Vault-Tec is the industry leader in high protection facilities.

If you have serious plans for high-level protection of industry and population, only mass production can keep the costs affordable. What we have achieved in Vault-Tec is not only the highest standard of protection, but the highest level of unification. With many decades of experience, our engineering is well refined for any geological conditions, and the proof to that is survival of all Vault-type facilities during the nuclear war, eventually forming Vault 10 as a nation. Vault-Tec maintains close relations with all other suppliers of components and equipment necessary for nuclear Vaults. We have access to the Symmetriad market of zero-maintenance nuclear reactors, partner discounts with all WBI Inc. owned businesses, relations with shipping companies, and facilities around the world ensuring optimal costs and quality.

If you plan to achieve full protection, including location of high-tech industries in nuclear Vaults, long-term population housing capacity, inter-Vault network, and all the necessary auxiliary systems, we stand ready to provide it. After completion of the Clandonian project, our new factories can offer lower costs than ever and higher quality of modernized and refined constructions.
Furthermore, Vault-Tec, together with Aerospace Logistics, are members of the Global Strategic Missile Defense Project, which is a massive international initiative to provide ballistic missile interception. For our clients we can ensure they will get under the protection of thousands satellites of GSMDP.


Respectfully,
James Griffin,
Vault-Tec Relations Manager

Such underground facilities are useful, not only from a possible war but also to make some of the more inhospitable parts of our nations useful again. The large scale knowledge and capablities that you have on this subject would be useful for our next expansion of underground housing and commerce. Perhaps we can work out a very benefital deal. -Lone Alliance

The Democratic Empire would like to take a moment to also announce that it has gone "first strike proof" due to nations such as Eurasia, Leafanistan, Zanski, and Aurum Domus. This is part of the massive Grand Imperial Wall project, which has vastly improved the security of the Democratic Empire. The massive supercomputer Solaria is in charge of our anti-WMD network. Details other then this are classified.

OOC: Perhaps I should have titled the thread, "Nations that are First strike proof."

ICly:
The Lone Alliance applauds Vontanas for their foresight in making preparations against the possible actions of irrational nations.

[OOC: I see this is becoming a popular trend... Well, it's finally the time to reduce the near-religious fear of modern weapons - and keep in mind the corp to do it. ]

From: Vault-Tec
To: Lone Alliance

We are ready for cooperation. Details may be kept private, of course; just state what your needs and geography are, and we'll be able to construct affordable and well-protected complexes.

However protected the facilities are, something has to stay on the surface. If you are interested in GSMDP protection, we can always make a deal extending the coverage to your nation.


Respectfully,
James Griffin,
Vault-Tec Relations Manager

The Grand Imperium officially giggles at the statement of The Lone Alliance, citing inanity and the fact that no anti-ballistic missile system is foolproof.

Animarnia salutes its long-term friend the Lone Alliance in the construction of its Anti-ballistic missile system and applauds the implementation of such mechanisms however no ballistic missile system is fool proof in fact even ours though advanced and well funded is only effective for 98% on incoming missiles. Though we are pleased to hear the Lone Alliance making efforts to guarantee its safety we would advise our long term friend that to use word such as "full proof" and "perfect" invites would be conquerors to test your defences.

That being said, Animarnia as always offers its full co-operation with the Lone alliance; and offers a test of your new system against our Vanguard Class Ballistic Missile Submarines as a 'soft test'. No live warheads will be fired and none of our missiles will be destroyed it would all be calculated by our respective computers.

OOC: Whyatica, in the war Kravania launched over 20 nuclear missiles mixed in with hundreds of chemical missiles. Only 2 made it. And that was BEFORE I started all of this. It would take thousands upon thousands to breach my defenses now, which I doubt many nations would use their entire arsenal on a single nation.

To Vault-Tec: Plans are being drawn up right now for future construction, we will be getting in touch shortly.
-Department of Defense
-Department of Natural Resources

To Animarnia: We would be glad to allow this, we currently estimate it at a near ability to destroy up to 1000 missiles, yet we haven't been able to have someone pull an independent test. If you will do the honors we will gladly like to know. -Lone Alliance

To: The Lone Alliance.

Of course; Admiral Kara Pentaguast, Chief of the naval armed services submarine division will conduct the test personally; we can have a Nuclear Strike Group depart dock ladened with Dummy Warheads within 48 hours; the strike group will consist of Four (4) Vanguard Class SSBNs.

Expect them to arrive within the week

-Defense Command-
Deep under the earth, the people in charge of the defense system went through starting checkups, they were ready for whenever the missile test would happen, they were not told on what day, in a real war, no one knows when it would happen. They would have to be ready at all times.

Confederate Governmental Telegram

The Confederate states of Spizania would like to remind the Government of the Lone Alliance that Intercontinental Ballistic Missiles are far from the only way to deliver a first strike with strategic weapons.

Response to the nation of Spizania:
This system covers multiple methods of nuclear material delivery, including airborne flights, Cruise missiles, Ship based artillery, and even smuggling attempts. As well as other possible methods.

If your'e talking about MT, then it would just take a little longer for someone with a bigger stick than you to bring you to your knees.

If your'e talking FT....well, who wants to bet that that war would'nt last long?

If your'e talking about MT, then it would just take a little longer for someone with a bigger stick than you to bring you to your knees.

If your'e talking FT....well, who wants to bet that that war would'nt last long?

This is MT.

[OOC: Unfortunately for the missile defence concept it is almost always cheaper to build enough additional nuclear-tipped missiles to breach the system than it is to build more defensive systems to counteract the increase in potential threat. In any case, MAD doesn't seem to have failed as a deterrent thus far.]

[ OOC: !Vault_10. What could be destroyed by a nuclear war has been already destroyed in one. ]

The Lone Alliance Coast

The Four Vanguard class submarines were running silent just off the TLA coastal waters. Admiral Kara Pentarguarst stood on the command bridge of the Royal Navy Submarine Alexia; as crewmen went about there business readying for launch.

"Proceed to launch depth Mr Higgins; Ready all tubes"

"Aye Aye Skipper"

The Four subs silent proceeded to launch depth; the missile doors opening;.

"Fire All tubes"

"Aye Aye" Fire all tubes

The Slender Light Bringer Mark IIA SLBM's fired one at a time from there silos in sequence breaking the surface a second later, 16 missiles in all were launched as they began there fast vertical climb each were carrying 16 Dummy Warheads. The Light Bringer was unique in that it Carried Electronic counter measures which started to emit high power jamming signals helping to prevent tracking and 'enemy' missile guidance systems.

(OOC: 64 Missiles, 1024 Dummy MIRVS)

-Defense Command-
#ALERT# #ALERT#
The first operator quickly went through the identification scans.
Radar Controller:"We have multiple launches, I repeat multiple launches, number of missiles..." He paused as error message flashed, "I can't get a reading, there's localized Jamming over the area!"

Switching to observational!
Satellite Controller: "Picking up location, I count, 5, 8 ,16 confirmed launches, I repeat 16 confirmed SICBM launches.

Radar Controller: Still jammed!

Defense Network Controller: Activating Civil defense.

-Lone Alliance Capital-
*RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR* As the sirens began to blare people dropped what they were doing and quickly began to run for the nuclear shelters located every 4 blocks, in the country side, people ran to their bomb shelters.
Meanwhile along shore, surface to air defenses began to turn on rapidly.

(To be continued)

RNS Alexia
"Order the Cassandra, The Rachel Ellis and the Evelyn to fire there missiles" Kara ordered.

"Aye, Aye skipper"; Higgins said picking up the microphone radio; "Alexia to all ships, release the birds, repeat, release the birds" he said

RNS Cassandra

The Order came in ' "release the birds" the Captain picked up the microphone to speak; "Cassandra To Alexia; Order received"

"Open All Missiles tubes for immediate launch"

"Aye, Aye Sir"

The Cassandra's launch tubes opened silently; as moments later another 16 Light Bringer MkIIA SLBM's were fired in sequence; this was repeated on the Rachel Ellis and The Evelyn bringing the total of missiles up to now 64 SLBMS into a sub orbital velocity and then to the TLA capital. soon over 1000 Dummy MIRV's would being there re-entry.

[ OOC: !Vault_10. What could be destroyed by a nuclear war has been already destroyed in one. ]
[OOC: As part of an unRPed backstory involving an NPC nation. It is not representative.]

[ OOC: Actually only about 50% of that is made up. I really was pwned.
As opposed to 100.0% typical for most nations' backstory.

It's funny to see, though, that the part causing criticism and disbelief is the one which only hurts me. So if my nation just builds the Vaults for no reason, it's OK, but if it was nuked and continues to build them because they are afraid of being nuked again, it must be ignored?

However I agree it isn't representative of NS as a whole. ]

-Defense Command-
Satellite Controller: Detecting several more launches, we're up to 64 launches, I repeat, 64 ICBM launches, apparent target, the capital.
Radar Controller: Detecting jettison of secondary rockets, first group of SICBMs have reached low orbit.
Defense Intercept Controller: Deploying SRBM countermeasures.
Satellite Controller: Activating Satellite laser targeting, I'm trying to get what's coming back down.
#ANALYZING TARGETS#

-Mount Traveller, 2500 feet up-
A rapid launch began of 20 SRBM(Short range) took flight from the higher altitude to intercept the latest launches at sub orbit.

-Defense Command-
Satellite Controller: Counting over 500 scattered MIRV types and increasing as every missile deploys.
Primary Defense: Deploying Stonehenge Batteries.

-Mount Traveller, Plains of Sheba, Cam plateau-
Within the three military bases there was a very unique sightings. Each site contained six of the dreaded Stonehenge cannons. Designed to shoot down Comets and Asteriods (As well as any FT nation that decides to intervene) It's second ability was to completely Decimate anything in the air. With it's massive shells and just the shockwave from such a large force, anything near where it hit would simply be atomized, it was these 18 guns that began to aim at the upper atmosphere. However, they wouldn't be enough alone, therefore at the same time in another location, 20 more SRBMs took flight.

(Making this stuff set the budget back in multiple trillions of course)

With each missile deployment more MIRVs began their fall to earth, as they started their drop back to earth they engaged a very high powered internal jamming system; many missile guidance systems relayed on bouncing radar signals back and forth to checked there range to target. Though conventional jamming was used the MIRV's also started emitting radar signals rapidly in Doppler pulses this was supposed to fool the 'enemy' ABM Missiles into thinking they'd already hit when they in fact hadn't' the MIRV's also automatically deployed light and heat decoys into the air. Each of the 1024 dummy MIRV fired of two of these small flare like decoys making it look like there was over 3000 MIRVs now inbound or it would until the decoys turned off. All this was in an effort to confuse the 'enemy', as the decoys fired off in different directions the 'enemy' would have to split its ABM fire. Still despite this; ABM's hit 20 of the Dummy MIRV's bringing the total inbound warheads now to 1004

-Defense Command-
Fire Control Leader: Cannon group 1 locked, the missile detonations allowed us to target the location.
Satellite Controller: I've detected a cluster of at least 1000.
Radar Controller: That's twice the simulations!
Targeting Controller: Ready to fire.
Primary Defense Controller: Fire round one!

-Mount Traveller-
With a blast of multiple sonic booms the giant Rail Cannons fired 6 shells at super high speed towards the head of the incoming MIRVs.

-Defense Command-
Primary Defense Controller: Prepare cannon group Two!
Fire Control Leader: Cannon 11 is currently down but the remaining 5 are ready.
Targeting Controller: Computer has traced the path of the second grouping of targets ready to fire at the point of intercept.
Primary Defense: Fire!

-Plains of Sheba-
Another grouping of shots headed out towards the incoming targets.

Each of the 11 shells now raced at past the speed of sound to explode infront and inside the clouds of MIRVs.

OOC: Some kind of airbust weapons?

[OOC: Ya know, guns are the last thing you'd use against a MIRV, by the time you'd be able to traverse, get a lock, and fire, either the MIRVs would be within the atmosphere at best, or already hitting the target at worst.

Also, effects of air burst weapons and shock waves are much less in the upper atmosphere and especially against targets that are already moving at Mach 6-8

That and the concept of the gun is idiotic, won't work, unfeasible for anything but high PMT and FT, and would be much better spent on missiles, oh yes, and it got laughed at on the draftroom, for many reasons, and for it costing less then a B-2 bomber...]

OOC: Whyatica, in the war Kravania launched over 20 nuclear missiles mixed in with hundreds of chemical missiles. Only 2 made it. And that was BEFORE I started all of this. It would take thousands upon thousands to breach my defenses now, which I doubt many nations would use their entire arsenal on a single nation.

OOC: Considering you decide how much damage your nation takes, forgive me if I ignore your boasts for now.

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"Yes, Vault-Tec Relations? I've been trying to get in contact with you for the best part of a month now!"

From a technical standpoint, Deputy Minister Celie Laraque should have been pleased with her lot in life - already holding a prestigious position within the McPsychovillian Parliament at just 28, second-in-command to Senior Minister for Homeland Security Francois Poulion, and seemingly in line for the top job someday, she was making strides. In reality, unfortunately, being Deputy Minister meant doing all the jobs the Senior Minister didn't feel like doing...which was, effectively, everything that didn't improve his chances of becoming Prime Minister himself.

"I don't care how much trouble you've had recently, a month! A month! There is no serious company whose switchboards go down for a month at a time, especially not when I'm interested in your products!"

There came the jabber of rapid speech from the other end of the line, cut short when the man from Vault-Tec hung up. Celie stared at the phone in surprise.

"Little bastard! Fine, I'll do through email..."

Talking to herself as she worked was an annoying habit of Celie's, but one she steadfastly refused to shake. It was her idiosyncracies that made her her.

"Dear Sir,

I am a member of the McPsychovillian Parliament, and we're interested in two things - both installation of a number of Vaults for future protection and the possibility of purchasing stock in the corporation. Please respond as soon as possible.

Yours etc.
Deputy Minister for Homeland Security,
Celie Laraque"

Silver,

1. They had already traversed by the time I knew the Rockets (Before the MIRVs were even deployed) targets. They aren't aiming at the MIRVs. they're aiming at where' they'll be.

2. The point is to have them fall right into the place post target.
MIRVs fall into neutron bomb then a cloud of explosives= Fried.

3. I'm PMT, I've always been PMT. I use Ion cannons.

4. It's quite obivious that I could send 2million missiles and the Jammers would just make them hit each other.

Animarnia: The first group contained E-bombs and 1 Neutron bomb, the second Enough explosives to mimic a MOAB.

PS: No matter how many get destroyed make at least 2 or 3 get through.
I want the test to fail.

TLA:

1: MIRVs take only 10 minutes or less to hit from when they spread apart, and you'll most likely only know the targets after they reach space (15 or so minutes from impact depending on range).

2: MIRVs can be shield against neutron radiation, most newer MIRVs can withstand a near nuclear blast. The cloud of explosives would be dispersed too much by the speed of the munition itself and the MIRV.

3: Why not use a ground based Ion cannon or laser then? cheaper per shot, faster, moveable somewhat, and not dephirian.

4: You could use home-on-emission missiles, think of a SAM version of the HARM or ALARM with backup IR guidance, hell, just IR would work.

And about the FAEs: FAE's don't work in MIRV warheads because of the speed of descent and rate of dispersal, there is a reason FAEs are deployed from slow moving bombs. That and FAE's have a near 50% failure rate.

1. The assumption is that the target was going to be the Capital.

2. TLA is hope that they aren't the ones.

3. Because I've heard people get pissy at ground lasers for some reason. But at the conclusion of the test I'll simply replace the existing Railgun batteries with laser turret batteries. The Power generators are arleady in place to be used for the lasers instead.

4.Aren't the MIRVs in freefall? Beside despite the obivious logic, someone would call godmode. The absurdity of my weapons are to prevent that.

If we want to rewind it really, the first missiles should have hit since I was using laser targeting.

1: I hope you're right.

2: I'll give you that.

3: If they're playing PMT with railguns, lasers are better, not your fault they don't know lasers are available.

4: They're broadcasting EM radiation, and anything moving at several mach is going to have a big IR sig just from air friction. While RADAR maybe more reliable, home on emission and IR work just as well. And people are more likely to call godmode over the railgun then home on emission missiles.

"Dear Sir,

I am a member of the McPsychovillian Parliament, and we're interested in two things - both installation of a number of Vaults for future protection and the possibility of purchasing stock in the corporation. Please respond as soon as possible.

Yours etc.
Deputy Minister for Homeland Security,
Celie Laraque"

Vault-Tec
Vaults of the Future

Greetings. We apologize for lack of phone response, but it should be understood that the public number 10-01 mostly accepts calls from citizens and so may be overloaded. However, fortunately we have established the communication; in the addendum you will find the clients-only phone and videocom number.

We have high industrial power available now, and so the construction can be done at any scale. How extensive Vault network do you require and what should the facilities contain? Our options range from reserve bunkers able to house 5000 people to complete underground cities, protecting valuable high-tech industries and built in normally uninhabitable territory. Industrial and military facilities, as well as deep subway systems, can also always be constructed.

Whatever your needs are, we can provide full support for the facilities built, as well as ensure fitting them with the most efficient equipment.


Regarding the second option, our stock is currently available at, day average, 74,500 caps per share (N$150,400), and the growth rate last year was 28%.


Respectfully,
James Griffin,
Vault-Tec Relations Manager

The shells exploded almost directly ahead; it looked like somone had just lit the sky on fire; the orange and yellow flickers of hell created a cloud of fire ahead.

the overpressure waves knocked out two thirds of the remaining MIRVS some were hopelessly crushed but also were a lot of decoys. The actually explosion however did very little as these MIRVs were shielded against many kinds of radiation and could withstand a near nuclear detonation; the remaining three hundred and thirty six MIRVs Continued on course while the Decoys fizzled and died they were still emitting and active jamming pulse which would make it difficult to get an exact number of remaining warheads on course.

They would soon be entering detonation range; or they would have been if they were carrying live warheads.

-Missile Command-
"ABORT!" Came the shout from a commanding officer that entered the room.
"But sir we were about to fire the..." The Defense operator began.
"That's an order!" He shouted, "I know what you would do next and this test isn't worth the possiblity of frying someone on the ground."

They paused watching as the MIRVs crossed the detonation line.
"What did you do wrong."
"Uh we weren't..."

"I'LL TELL YOU WHAT YOU DID WRONG!"

"You only prepared for what you assumed would be an ICBM attack instead of a SLBM attack, that is your mistake."

"Sorry Si..."
"Sorry wouldn't cut it if this had been real, tell 'sorry' to the people that could still be in the streets right now."

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Message to Animarnia:
That you for testing out the flaws in our systems. -TLA

To Vault-Tec:
We request further info on possible designs. We have found locations throughout our nation that, while inhospitable on the surface, can be of great use underground. We are estimating plans for an underground shelter city system, as well as a couple of production facilities in other locations. Please contact us when you are able.

Lone Alliance Chamber of Commerce leader: Susan B. Talmage

"Surface all submarines; head to the TLA port" Kara ordered

"Aye, aye skipper" the officer replied

"Ma'am' Flash action message" another officer reported handing over a piece of paper

Kara looked it over; "open a channel to the TLA please"

She picked up the radio handset and spoke into it - "This is Admiral Kara Penterguast of the Animarnia Navy; we'd be much obliged for some shore leave and supplies for our long time friends"

We would like to remind all nations that the only true way to be "first strike proof"...is to basically don't make any nation mad to begin with and always back peace processes. In this case, SilentScope001 is 'first strike-proof', and we don't need to worry about spending tons of money on huge military projects. We can devote it to more useful projects...like helping our citizens in day-to-day living.