NationStates Jolt Archive

OOC
This roleplay is for Earth X (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=518447) nations only. If you are in Earth X, please note that you must post in this thread as to make it our official start up thread. However, what you do in the thread is solely up to you.

Now, if you're not in Earth X and want to join, it his highly suggesyed that you make a new nation, so you do not bring any of your old nation's ties with you. For example, I roleplay the nations of Stangeland and Helectica, Helectica being my non-Earth X nation, Stangeland being my Earth X nation. I promise, it's not that complicated.

In Character

The Castle at Ontai was a spectacular building, an ancient fortress with awe-inducing stone walls and gaze-demanding turrets. It was 500 years old, built in the medieval times by an unknown civilization. It occupied its own island, which is a mere 4 square miles. And now, it was the most important structure in the world. Leaders from nations all over the world had arrived here, their private jets landing on a recently-constructed meager airstrip. They were there to meet, supposedly looking to form the greatest union the world had ever seen. They now sat in the Castle's main hall, which was alight with huge torches. The hundred or so men and women sat around an immense mahogany table, staring around at eachother with faces determined to appear confident.

After the final whispers of chatter had vanished, a man rose from his seat, which was at the very end of the long table. His small, greying beard and booming voice commanded attention like no other. He shuffled some papers that were at his seat, glanced down, looked up again, and began to speak.

"Ladies and Gentlemen, Kings and Prime Ministers, Emperors and Presidents, please delvier your attention to me. We meet here today to discuss a matter that will change the face of our world forevermore. It has been expressed by countless peoples and nations that it is time that a Union arise from the midst of the international community. A group of all of the nations on our Earth, to unite and bestow greatness unto ourselves and others. However, there would be countless complications if we did not sit down like good people, and discuss specifics. Obviously, thats what we are here to do. The first issue that has arisen not only in international sidetalks, but in the media as well, is the issue of the military. Should this newfound "union" of ours have its own military, that should deliver justice with an unstoppable hand whereever need be, or should we give nations a little leash, if you will, and let them maintain their identity, despite what might argue against it. Please, I ask of you this; All of you have been provided with laptops to type of each nation's own resolution. All leaders shall be given one hour to type up their nation's answer to the question. At the end of the hour they shall be collected. You may start now,"

And immediate buzz of talk erupted within the immense hallway, as fingers immediately began cascading unto the keyboards that looked up at them. Twas that beginning of something new, the man at the end of the table could feel it. He lowered himself into the huge armchair under him, sighed, and began typing himself.

An OOC Note: The man speaking is not the leader of my nation. And number two, sorry for the disappointing length. :p

The Democratic republic of Drafis is FOR having a collective military although not a large one.

The Armed Socialist Republic of Dobakwiesia is has a full-scale military,including a celestial defence force with the terrestial,naval and aerial defence forces.

We are a pro-military nation,something like what real-life USA,Russian,India and China are.

The link to my country description is in my signature.



But we are against the idea of that of a world military by a union.There will be much disagreements on many issues,especially the on of deciding the commander-in-chief.

The Dominion of Kapila is against having a world wide military as this will only lead to the loss of sovereignty for countries. Those who a part of the Union will use the military for their own purposes, not for the common good of the world. We can work together with our own militaries, but having a joint one would not be right. And how we would work out who would command the military? If we are to have this be a peaceful and productive Union it must not have a military. We believe that nations are fully capable of protecting themselves.

The Corporate Empire of Alutia is of the firm belief that this organization must have no military of its own. Such a military would only serve to undermine the peaceful purpose of this union and endanger nations that held different political or social views from those who might control this military. We are in full agreement with the Dominion of Kapila that any missions which require a military would be accomplished through joint efforts of the member nations military.

His Holiness looked at the strange man speaker to all the other leaders he looked like he was up to something. He had a certain....look in his eye and he knew such men were dangerous.

He then wispered into his representatives ear.

"His Holiness' government wishes to have a body like the UN instead of a collective military, .......for the best interests of all nations, of course

The man rose again, looking down at the various newly collected documents infront of him. "It has been made clear by the various nations here that the majority is against the idea of a world-wide military. Our next issue is this: What are the requirements for a nation to enter our union?" Again the roar of whispers and the storm of keyboard clatter echoed through the cavernous hall.

Clearly we cannot allow dictatorial and communistic nations that opress their citizens and do not allow freedom of speech. If they are allowed our organization would simply become a place where nations that oppose free speech demand to be heard. We believe that all nations before joining must respect freedom of speech within their nations, along with all other basic human rights.

(Edit: Sorry forgot to log in as Kapila, so just pretend that it was Kapila that posted this.)

If my government wishes to censor the press,media, or speech in order to maintain the stability of my government and nation and ensure that anarchy does not rise over order then my government has every right to censor what it's citizens read, write, or say, on the issue of human rights in order to maintain order my government has the right to punish criminals and/or extract intelligence from criminals in any manner we see fit in order to ensure the security of our nation and people..however we do detest acts of genocide and slavery etc etc...but to limit our union to progressive,socialist,democracies, is unnacceptable we would be more supporitive if nations who are not involved in gross human rights violations were allowed to enter and those that were be banned outright

The Corporate Empire of Alutia believes that in order to exclude nations on any terms, we must first define the terms which we are using such as human rights and various violations there of as well as what one might mean by gross human rights violations as opposed to simply human rights violations.

EDIT: OOC: I think this would make more sense as an open forum environment especially since people are debating already anyways and shouldn't technically even know what the other has said yet.

The union must not be biased to any country.

The union must be something like the United Nations in real life.

The ASR Dobakwiesia has announced that there should be no requirements of joining the union as all countries are welcome to join,but it is a choice for them,not a must.

But we must have 10 countries with veto power.
These countries should then draft and decide a charter for the union.
These 10 countries will be permanent members of the union forever.

Most probably these 10 members are the first 10 members to join the union.

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The strange man suddenly said, "The name of our union will be The Union of Nation States or TUNS in short."

No one should any signs of disagreement or objection so the leaders continued typing.

The union must not be biased to any country.

The union must be something like the United Nations in real life.

The ASR Dobakwiesia has announced that there should be no requirements of joining the union as all countries are welcome to join,but it is a choice for them,not a must.

But we must have 10 countries with veto power.
These countries should then draft and decide a charter for the union.
These 10 countries will be permanent members of the union forever.

Most probably these 10 members are the first 10 members to join the union.

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The strange man suddenly said, "The name of our union will be The Union of Nation States or TUNS in short."

No one should any signs of disagreement or objection so the leaders continued typing.
If we have 10 nations with veto power, then one nation can effectively stop the Union from doing anything and absolutely nothing would get done. No single nation should have absolute veto power.

As for defining the difference between gross human rights violations and "small" human rights violations we believe that any kind of censorship, restriction of speech, the use of military force to maintain control of a government or not allowing a fair trial by jury is a human rights violation. A "gross" human rights violation would be the use of torture, imprisoning, killing, or suspending the rights of any group for its political beliefs, religion, race, gender, etc. Of course these are just the general outlines, but we believe that allowing any country that violates human rights into the Union would be an affront to what our Union should stand for. If a country doesn't give its citizens freedom of speech, why should it be allowed that right within the Union?

The union must not be biased to any country.

The union must be something like the United Nations in real life.

The ASR Dobakwiesia has announced that there should be no requirements of joining the union as all countries are welcome to join,but it is a choice for them,not a must.

But we must have 10 countries with veto power.
These countries should then draft and decide a charter for the union.
These 10 countries will be permanent members of the union forever.

Most probably these 10 members are the first 10 members to join the union.

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The strange man suddenly said, "The name of our union will be The Union of Nation States or TUNS in short."

No one should any signs of disagreement or objection so the leaders continued typing.


The empire concurs with this point of view

The United States of Tunksten[UST] hereby declare, that it objects againts the proposal that the Union should have a core of nations, that have an absolute veto right.

The UST would approve a democratic solution in which every nation, may it be big or may it be small, has the same right to vote. It has to be subject to further debate whether this vote should the weighted after the size of the population of this country, after its economic strenght or whether every vote counts the same.

Further, the UST disapproves any violation of the human rights(as guaranteed in the constitution of the UST) and it is the will of the UST that all people, wherever they may live, enjoy the same standards.
All people, wherever they may life, are citizens of this world and by right of birth, they deserve to be threated that way. We cannot, with clear conscience, work together with nations, who do not accept these natural rights and on the other side, stand for them.

Because of this, we hereby demand that a charta of human rights should be the first point on the agenda of our Union and the enforcement of this charta should be the outmost duty of this Union.

With every nation recieving a vote the effectiveness of the union would be lost and the process of working out charters would become indeffinately bogged down..perhaps if the world was broken into regions and each region had a core member elected by the members of that region who would serve as a core member nation for a set term before a new nation was elected to serve as the regions core member this would ensure that at least to tome degree all nations are getting a "say" in the council furthermore while nations are serving their term they may communicate with their region members in order to better represent their regions...as for only allowing free democracies to serve as core members this neglects nations that are ruled by Monarchs , emperors, etc etc from having any say in affairs that clearly would affect them...freedom of speech for example is not a civil right it is one granted to the people by their government...therefore the first charter for the union should be to define what Civil rights are before we deem a nation of violating civil rights thus barring them from the union to the Empire civil rights include things for example.. the freedom from any persecution based on race or ethnic background..

The ASR Dobakwiesia has agreed with the other NSs for not having 10 main members.

All members of the nation-states shall have equal rights.

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The man asked everyone to stop all actions besides breathing and to listen attentively to the man and the conclusion on the worldwide military.

Article #1 of The Union of Nation States:
International Military for Peacekeeping Missions

The Union of Nation States will not have a regular military force for itself.
When a peace keeping mission is planned,nation states will then see how much of their men and equipment can they provide for the mission.It is alright if a nation state does not wish to provide any men or equipment at all.The men and equipment will be uniformed into 1 force and then nation state which provides the highest percentage of men and equipment from its total available quantity will be given the honour of appointing an official military flag-officer as the commander-in-chief followed by the second nation state and so on and so forth.

The Heggie of Heggieness has decided that the milatary of Heggieness will stay in place and that human rights are fine, as long as the Heggie says so. *The typer of The Heggie stops typing as the man stands up*

The The Corporate Empire of Alutia concurs with the Dobakwie representative on their draft of the first Article for our union, however, we would like to suggest that it be checked for grammatical errors.

EDIT: I meant The Corporate Empire of Alutia, it's been a while since I've RPed as that nation.

The ASR Dobakwiesia government thanks the The CPE of Alutia for their support and agrees to check for grammitical errors.

If any leader has found any so far,please feel free to quote.

Thank you all.

"The next issue to be presented in front of our council is...Charity and aid. Will countries holding membership to our union be obliged to give money to aid across the globe, or will it be voluntary. Will the union have its own aid force, or will it merely distribute the money to charity? Please write your answers, thank you."

"The next issue to be presented in front of our council is...Charity and aid. Will countries holding membership to our union be obliged to give money to aid across the globe, or will it be voluntary. Will the union have its own aid force, or will it merely distribute the money to charity? Please write your answers, thank you."

The Republic of Heggieness will give money when they feel like it, although we do accept to the idea of having an aid force.

PASR Dobakwie agrees to aid but volantarily.
We want not an aid force, but organisation to go around and provide aid and educate the people of how and what to do when disaster strikes because we are not omnipresent.

The United States of Tunksten are supporting the compulsory spending in charity. If the spending would be voluntary, not many countries would give money, because they would rather spend it for their own countries.
The amount of money to spend should by measured by the GDP of a country, to make sure that no country spends more than it could affort.

The United States of Tunksten are supporting the idea of an "aid force" as an unarmed charity force, which would help those in need of international support. That would be the case in the event of a major natural disaster or a severe humanitary catastrophe.

The Corporate Empire of Alutia strongly rejects both proposals, such things ought to be taken up at the free will of the nations and their inhabitants not forced unwillingly down their throat by this organization.

The Corporate Empire of Alutia strongly regects both proposals, such things ought to be taken up at the free will of the nations and their inhabitants not forced unwillingly down their throat by this organization.

I must agree with this view my nation should be allowed to choose what it spends its own money on..and if it has any left over then perhaps some of that may be donated

The United States of Tunksten oppose this opinion.

If this union wants to be a step further for the hole humanity and to help those in need, it cleary has to have sufficient funds to achive this goal.

We think that every nation in this plenum would like to recieve this help, if it needs it and because of that, every nation should be forced to have a reasonable, comparable and fair share of the costs of it.

The Corporate Empire of Alutia would like to point out that a vast majority of the nations who have voiced their opinions favor voluntary aid. We believe that we should move on from this topic as it seems that it has been settled.

*taps fingers on desk waiting*