NationStates Jolt Archive

Certain events having made us aware of the weaknesses of wooden ships when placed into certain hostile environments, such as space, has led the Tolarian Space Fleet to request funding for a new design, more in-line with the needs of a fighting force capable of taking on and defeating space-born foes.
The new design, while retaining certain classical features of Tolarian ships, has been constructed entirly of metal, providing a significant advantage compared to the previous ships wooden construction should the shields fail. In addition, these particular models are air tight, thus reducing the drain on the ships shields while not in combat.
No plans are currently in place to fully retire the current fleet of wooden ships, although they will gradually be allocated to scouting, ferrying and low-level escort roles as the new-line ships take their places.

Statistics:

Name/Model: Jade Star Battleship, M1

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Length: 655 meters

Crew Compliment: 445 + 65 passengers (Space for approx. 200 with conversion of hangars, etc.)

Propulsion:
x4 powerstone drives
Ship can attain approx. .68 LS under ideal conditions.
Top speed of 221mph atmospheric.

FTL capability:
x1 Planeshift drive

Main Armament:
(number of guns x number of guns per turret)
6x2 2 MegaThaum cannons (main turrets)

Secondary Armament:
32x1 5 KiloThaum cannons (sponson)
18x1 5kt cannons (turret)
8x2 12kt cannons (lower turrets)
12x4 2kt Anti-Fighter cannons (Omni-directional turrets)
4x2 2kt Anti-Fighter cannons (Omni-directional turrets)
Various small gunports for anti-fighter protection

Armor:
4in Octirion plating over the main hull to provide energy dissipation
3in crystalized Octigen gas, absorbs/dissipates kinetic and energy-based attacks.
22in Trinium alloy, general protection.

Communications/sensors:
Standard CB/CC array, general communications with other ships via radio if these dont work.

Electronics:
First TSF ships fitted with electrical generators to provide lighting, air, etc.
The ship also includes a basic electronic warfare array and various countermeasures to foil torpedo/missile tracking.
The main EW array is mounted on the underside of the ship.

Fighter Compliment:
42 Fighters in main hangars.
Space for 18 more in the rear hangars.
TSF policy is, however, to leave the rear hangars for other uses. Typically shuttles or other support craft.

Other:
As the ships powerstones cannot disspiate heat as well in this configuration the design requires extensive cooling systems, visible on the underside of the ship, the main array and a secondary (forward) array for the forward guns.
If these are disabled then the ship can still operate, but must disable at least three of its main drives in order to keep temperatures tolerable for the crew.

In the event of a hull breech your fellow crewmen can be used as a floatation device, although this wont do you much good in the cold depths of space as the air is ripped from your lungs and your blood crystalizes.


(OOC:
Yes, its based on Last Exile. The text on the ship translates as 'I can see your house from here' (this is Latinian, grammar doesnt matter ;))
The text on the shield is 'Cowards die in shame'

Yes, I know the scale isnt too great, but if you feel like correcting it, go ahead.)

OOC i hope those guns got some hit to them

OOC i hope those guns got some hit to them

(OOC:
Assume a 2 megathuam cannon is quite capable of dealing some serious hurt where its required. Theyre my equivalent of a 18 inch gun, only FT.)

(OOC:
Assume a 2 megathuam cannon is quite capable of dealing some serious hurt where its required. Theyre my equivalent of a 18 inch gun, only FT.)

OOC nice

Aye... but is your 18.1 inch gun as good as my 16, with better guidance? As my big guns of FT are based on the mighty Iowa class, and its 16 inch guns, with the concurrent increase in accuracy. That and my Dreadnoughts are like Montanas, complete with more FT throw weight than whatever the FT equivalent of Yamato would be.

(Its a metaphore, sheesh :P
And, seeing as this is space, the diameter of a weapon has little to do with its actual power anyway >_>)

Any other questions/comments/whatever welcome. Im always looking to improve the designs.

(Its a metaphore, sheesh :P
And, seeing as this is space, the diameter of a weapon has little to do with its actual power anyway >_>)

Not really. Size will always matter. If you have a ten meter bore gun, it will be more powerful than a 5 meter bore gun, simply because with equally dense shells, the 10 meter gun will have the ability to accommodate a heavier slug. A heavier slug at an equal rate of speed will have greater power.

I think the point being made is that by fiddling and wiggling about statistics it's really irrelevant measuring how powerful a weapon is in FT.

That, and bore size is really not the issue being discussed and is more or less a pointless comparison for the purposes of this design.

OOCness: In case you missed it, TSL, his guns are magic. Take your 'realism' and...

Well, yes, quite. ;)

OOCness: In case you missed it, TSL, his guns are magic. Take your 'realism' and...

Well, yes, quite. ;)

Bah. Still gotta have some reason why a bigger version is more powerful, or they'd stick all the most powerful ones on tiny ships, assuming they used the logical process of "This super heavy gun is no larger than this light gun...Why would I use the light gun, when the super heavy fits too?" I kinda got the impression these drew off Magic-esque powerstones, which make things work with a minimal expenditure of space. I'm not saying he'd actually do that, as he has more sense of balance than anyone I have ever seen when using anything with the name magic tacked onto it. Just saying that there are people in the past that'd do it. SQ for example.

I would personally like to congradulate jade Star, on upgrading from wood to metal. Of course it would be funny to see a wooden spaceship, that is very original.

OOCness: In case you missed it, TSL, his guns are magic. Take your 'realism' and...

Well, yes, quite. ;)
Says the race of disembodied, soul-eating, masters of an undead race of robots :P

Bah. Still gotta have some reason why a bigger version is more powerful, or they'd stick all the most powerful ones on tiny ships, assuming they used the logical process of "This super heavy gun is no larger than this light gun...Why would I use the light gun, when the super heavy fits too?" I kinda got the impression these drew off Magic-esque powerstones, which make things work with a minimal expenditure of space. I'm not saying he'd actually do that, as he has more sense of balance than anyone I have ever seen when using anything with the name magic tacked onto it. Just saying that there are people in the past that'd do it. SQ for example.
Not really. Size will always matter. If you have a ten meter bore gun, it will be more powerful than a 5 meter bore gun, simply because with equally dense shells, the 10 meter gun will have the ability to accommodate a heavier slug. A heavier slug at an equal rate of speed will have greater power.

But this being FT, I can take a sliver of metal a centimeter wide and accelerate it to 100x lightspeed, convert it into plasma and use it to blow up a planet. Or something like that, one reason I use magic is that I can bullshit when I need to :P
Of course, the 1cm railgun dealy may have a powersource the size of something much larger, but we were talking about bore diameter anyway >_>
Whereas, say, a 16 inch gun off of a battleship wouldnt even dent the armour used by most FT nations.
Anyway, the larger guns (obviously) use a larger powersource, the smaller guns a smaller one. Those gigathaum guns have fairly large generators, rather like SW Turbolasers.

I think the point being made is that by fiddling and wiggling about statistics it's really irrelevant measuring how powerful a weapon is in FT.

That, and bore size is really not the issue being discussed and is more or less a pointless comparison for the purposes of this design.

Indeed. Lightsabers and bits of wire can take down AT-ATs and such :P
Im sure theres SOMEBODY out there with grenade-sized singularity generators or something.


I would personally like to congradulate jade Star, on upgrading from wood to metal. Of course it would be funny to see a wooden spaceship, that is very original.

Nah, not really :P
I stole the idea from Magic: The Gathering ;)

Say, this multi-quote thing is fun :P

Im sure theres SOMEBODY out there with grenade-sized singularity generators or something

Atopiana has singularity grenades...

Well there you have it. FT is like ebay, you can find anything.

Well there you have it. FT is like ebay, you can find anything.

Rule 34?

Rule 34?

Thou shalt not invoketh thyn rule unlease ye are requesting pronith.

Anyway, what's the marine(or equivalent fighting force) attachment on your ships? Enough to repel boarders or can these babies act as troop transports too?

Also, while the metal construction increases durability, did you considered the ease of repair and construction speed you're loosing by switching off of wood :p .

Thou shalt not invoketh thyn rule unlease ye are requesting pronith.

Anyway, what's the marine(or equivalent fighting force) attachment on your ships? Enough to repel boarders or can these babies act as troop transports too?

Also, while the metal construction increases durability, did you considered the ease of repair and construction speed you're loosing by switching off of wood :p .

For Marines I was considering something like the 'Musketeers' used in Last Exile, basically they would act as human anti-fighter weapons along with anti/boarding troops.
Considering the extra space, I would say I could cram a fair few troops into them with a bit of conversion. That or they have a REALLY freakin' massive engine.

Of course while metal is harder to repair, its also less likely to undergo catastrophic implosion if somebody puts a single hole in it :P
Also, it doesnt burn as well.

For Marines I was considering something like the 'Musketeers' used in Last Exile, basically they would act as human anti-fighter weapons along with anti/boarding troops.
Considering the extra space, I would say I could cram a fair few troops into them with a bit of conversion. That or they have a REALLY freakin' massive engine.

Of course while metal is harder to repair, its also less likely to undergo catastrophic implosion if somebody puts a single hole in it :P
Also, it doesnt burn as well.

Ok... Since I'm getting a serious "Urza" vibe off of you, may I ask why you don't have Metathran Marines, and all the usual "M:tG" stuff?

(Sorry for clutterring your thread Jade Star Man, but, do you have MSN?)

Ok... Since I'm getting a serious "Urza" vibe off of you, may I ask why you don't have Metathran Marines, and all the usual "M:tG" stuff?

Metathran marines wouldnt look good in 19th century Napoleonic uniforms :)
'Sides, Ive got clockwork men to do the really dirty work.

EDIT:
Cassiopeia, no, but I have AIM. You want a TG?

Metathran marines wouldnt look good in 19th century Napoleonic uniforms :)
'Sides, Ive got clockwork men to do the really dirty work.

Why not? They're just big blue freaks...

Why not? They're just big blue freaks...

Their skin would clash with the green uniforms ;)
And you cant really do the human drama of battle with a bunch of psychos who live only to fight, dont feel pain, and dont care much about their comrades.
Plus, to be honest, I never liked the whole supersoldier thing. Im more of a bumrush fan myself.

EDIT:
Cassiopeia, no, but I have AIM. You want a TG?

Alas I lack AIM >_<

Alas I lack AIM >_<

"But I sold my hair to a wigmaker to get these combs for Hermes!"

Their skin would clash with the green uniforms ;)
And you cant really do the human drama of battle with a bunch of psychos who live only to fight, dont feel pain, and dont care much about their comrades.
Plus, to be honest, I never liked the whole supersoldier thing. Im more of a bumrush fan myself.


KEKEKE!

<_<

*watches as the bumrushers are gunned down in droves by indirect fire from 120mm mortars* Oops. :p

If my slightly above average, excessively armed, powered armor Marines can't take the day, that's why they have fire support.

*counterbattery fire from orbit*
Questions? :P

*counterbattery fire from orbit*
Questions? :P

Why did you just waste both of our divisions? *notes that the words "precision" "low power" and "from orbit" rarely fit well together* When I use ortillery, I break mountain chains.

Why did you just waste both of our divisions? *notes that the words "precision" "low power" and "from orbit" rarely fit well together* When I use ortillery, I break mountain chains.

Didnt say anything about 'low power', but who says you cant hit a specific area? We (as in us, the people here in 2007) can put a missile in a cirlce a foot wide, so what makes it so improbable that people from the year 54,342,234 cant put a giant laser in the same area? :P

Either way, I can always get more divisions ;)