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The Ri-anese representitives submitted a document.

The Constantine convention (version 1)

Being of sound mind, and sound body, the nations undersigned here below have agreed upon the following precedents, and agree to uphold them to the fullest extent of the Convention:

* The Constantine Space Port and surrounding environs, extended to one half-light-year in distance are hearby declared to be nutral, peaceful territory.

*Each signatory nation shall submit to the defence of said area up to 250 troops and up to 3 Space Crusiers bearing only medium armaments and holding a length of up to 1.3 Kilometers.

*In the event of war, all troops shall rally as one to defend the Neutral Zone, even if the attackers are a signatory nation.

"So, we have this preliminary version, did we miss anything agreed on so far?" Bob asked.


Nations who Signed the Treaty

Imperial isa
Ri-an
Chronosia
Balrogga
The Jade Star
Thrashia
CoreWorlds
The Garbage Men
Hailung
The Humankind Abh
Sephrioth
TheBlackLotusSociety

Here is the defense measures agreed upon in the Conference Thread. I made this Thread so there would be a place for posting the forces sent to defend the station as agreed upon in the Treaty. Other signatories can post their contributions here so everything is easier to locate.

The Balrogga Empire will send:


Ships

The Shank, an Impaler Class Battleship (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/beldragos/kythonbattleship1.jpg)(180 meters)
The Quicksilver, an Interceptor Class Destroyer (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/beldragos/interceptor.jpg)(120 meters)
The Marksman, an Infernal Class Frigate (http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v248/beldragos/kythonfrigate.jpg)(60 meters)

The three ships will patrol the Neutral Zone in accordance to the details set up by the Security Chief. They will also take commands from the Embassy Staff and other military or command structures of The Empire.


Troops

The Security Staff for the station will consist of 10 Ta'Nar, 48 Childer, and 192 Kythons. They would be sent on patrols of 4 Kythons and 1 Childer to command/control the Kythons. This would provide 48 Patrol Groups to keep the station safe (16 groups on three shifts). The Ta'Nar would compose the command structure of the security force.



Please note, this is in addition to the Embassy Staffing.

If I think of something else I will add it.

40 Shadow Troops 20 guarding my Room at the Bar and 20 at my Dock
and as Dragon Fire ADRASTOS Fortress is Station outside the Neutral Zone what ever Wolfpacks Fleets that stop by or order there

50 Plain Clothes Security Personnel (Also happen to work for TGM's Surrupticious Collection Dept)

100 Uniformed Officers

50 Uniformed Cyborgs

Arthur - The Transparent Trash Slime, more of a "Security Consultant" than anything.

1 Trashship

one imperius gunship (987 meters)
two ark angel strike crusiers

100 space marines
100 imperial gaurd
1 primarch
50 brother captains

3 Adult Stargons, named Din, Farore, and Nayru.

Secondly, of the 1,000 Aquamarinians on board 150 are there as security along with 100 Gareens, of the 1,000 Gareens aboard.

100 Imperial Guard, equipped with standard kit, plus 20 agents of the Adeptas Soroitas (Order of the Dragon Saints), commanded by Ordo Xenos Inquistor Lord Michael Demaggio equipped with flamers and bolters.

Forces to be deployed there:

Two Falchion Class Frigates

OOC: The Lunar that appeared at CNZ will be moved after the mercenary fight. It was trapped there as the stuff went down....

After this BS is done, I'm bringing in The most powerful thing I have ever built.

Not to antagonize... but I have my doubts that The Most Powerful Thing You Have(TM) can stop 112 ships on its own.

Not to antagonize... but I have my doubts that The Most Powerful Thing You Have(TM) can stop 112 ships on its own.

It can certainly protect my station. I'm not saying it can't be destroyed, just that it'll be rather difficult. I also never claimed it could stop 112 warships. You did. I think your overestimating things. With everyone elses's ships there though, that are there normally, as per The Constantine Convention, I should be able to suitably defend my station in the future, for as long as I'm here, all the way up to May 25th, when I just divide my shares up among all other Shareholders, and start my Exit RP and leave NS permanently.

It can certainly protect my station. I'm not saying it can't be destroyed, just that it'll be rather difficult. I also never claimed it could stop 112 warships. You did. I think your overestimating things. With everyone elses's ships there though, that are there normally, as per The Constantine Convention, I should be able to suitably defend my station in the future, for as long as I'm here, all the way up to May 25th, when I just divide my shares up among all other Shareholders, and start my Exit RP and leave NS permanently.


You implied with your statement that the Most Powerful Thing Ever(TM) will be able to prevent/counteract something like this if it ever were to happen again. Just read your post, it's clear as day.

You implied with your statement that the Most Powerful Thing Ever(TM) will be able to prevent/counteract something like this if it ever were to happen again. Just read your post, it's clear as day.

Implications do not change facts. I want you to think all that. If someone can be intimidated without ever actually fighting them, then I've already won and achieved my goals. Facts may be otherwise, but such Implications are very helpful.

Implications do not change facts. I want you to think all that. If someone can be intimidated without ever actually fighting them, then I've already won and achieved my goals. Facts may be otherwise, but such Implications are very helpful.

It's much less about being intimidated than being amused. Isa's claim of 50 billion ships is a good example.

Amusement too is a good weapon, if I can make you do that, you can't focus on the threat it really is. Either way, you'll see. It is the embodiment of all I regularly RP. It took all my IC skills and knowledge from all paths of knowledge to create it, and cannot build anything better. My Library time is up, you'll just have to wonder.

The Tolarian Academy will commit two of the Jade Star (655m) class vessels to the defence of the station, each with a compliment of one hundred Musketeers to be deployed as is seen fit by the station authorities.
Four Academy mages will be stationed on the ships when possible, but frequent redployment may be required.

The first ship should arrive bearing this particular message. The second will be completed in one month and, after undergoing its various trials, deployed here. ETA overall is 4 months.


(OOC:
Although it should be pointed out that I never signed the treaty >_>)

Why didn't you just give the station a really big shield? And some form of emergency escape Gate? :P

Well, I have Naruto and Hinata Uzumaki on station as well as several squads of Coredian Marines from the two Star Destroyers in the area. Said Star Destroyers have a minimum escort of 4 Nebulon-B2 frigates and 2 wolfpacks (1 Tantive-class corvette, 4 Corellian gunships).

As reinforcements, detachments of the Fifth Fleet will arrive ASAP. Two battlefleets of 25 ships each. Expect the new Defender Star Destroyer and Nova Medium Destroyer to make an appearance. If that's not enough, I can divert the Battlestar Coredia group. Naruto's meant to be picked up by the Coredia anyway.

As an aside, I don't think our ground forces will have any trouble with the likes of Naruto, Remiel, and company around. :D

my forces hold a sector and gaurd it heavily

Why didn't you just give the station a really big shield? And some form of emergency escape Gate? :P

that is a good idea hey if i can place a jump Engine in my ADRASTOS Fortress why not the station

Well, I have Naruto and Hinata Uzumaki on station as well as several squads of Coredian Marines from the two Star Destroyers in the area. Said Star Destroyers have a minimum escort of 4 Nebulon-B2 frigates and 2 wolfpacks (1 Tantive-class corvette, 4 Corellian gunships).

As reinforcements, detachments of the Fifth Fleet will arrive ASAP. Two battlefleets of 25 ships each. Expect the new Defender Star Destroyer and Nova Medium Destroyer to make an appearance. If that's not enough, I can divert the Battlestar Coredia group. Naruto's meant to be picked up by the Coredia anyway.

As an aside, I don't think our ground forces will have any trouble with the likes of Naruto, Remiel, and company around. :D

Wait, what happened to three ships under 1.3km? SD's are 1.6km, and youre sending 50+ ships and God knows how many men, it seems.

Wait, what happened to three ships under 1.3km? SD's are 1.6km, and youre sending 50+ ships and God knows how many men, it seems.
Coredians love overkill. Besides, it's a tentative deployment.

And SDs are our standard ships. They're an object statement of 'I will kick ass and take names'. Besides, I didn't say what Star Destroyers are there, they could be Venators, Victories, Defenders (new class), etc.

And I almost never have Star Destroyers operating alone, always in a task force. Too many enemies would want to pick them off. Not to mention I have two very important Coredians on board the station with enemies all around. If y'all really object, the SDs will sit outside the system, but that's the only concession I would make.

After Naruto leaves, I'll send three Strike Cruisers (about 900 meters) to protect the station.

Thats all well and good, but if you'll take a look at the treaty, it says 'Three ships, medium armaments, under 1.3km', making no provisions for 'standard' ships of your nation, nor 'kicking ass' or 'taking names'.
Your ships'll have to wait outside the 1/2 lightyear range, unless you want people to start getting nervous.

EDIT:
Unless, of course, you WANT people to start getting nervous. In which case, by all means, piss off a bunch of guys with guns :P

Fair enough. They wait outside the 1/2 lightyear limit.

And people wonder why the Coredians are always getting stomped :P

:fluffle: 's for all.

I think Ri-an meant those ships were what each of us would contribute to the standard defense of the station. In the case of "something" happening, we would bring in other defense for the station, like the ships I have currently hidden in T-Space (the 7th dimension).

I think Ri-an meant those ships were what each of us would contribute to the standard defense of the station. In the case of "something" happening, we would bring in other defense for the station, like the ships I have currently hidden in T-Space (the 7th dimension).
Yeah. I don't relish having to fight large numbers of enemies with only three Strike Cruisers...

Besides, at 1/2 lightyears away, my ISD task force can get to the battleground in seconds.

Fair enough. They wait outside the 1/2 lightyear limit.

on the other side i hope away from my side of the 1/2 lightyear limit

No-one has noticed my arrival except for Balrogga. Is anyone else going to reply to my transmission or even acknowledge the existance of my three Capital Ships (One that's 3.8KM)?

No-one has noticed my arrival except for Balrogga. Is anyone else going to reply to my transmission or even acknowledge the existance of my three Capital Ships (One that's 3.8KM)?

A: i have no idea whos side your on
B: and how can i notice you if i pulled out just leaving behind a Self-replicating mine field

Hooray RoE change. You may all thank TFU for the imminent smite. Way to negotiate in poor faith, and get shot repeatedly by a fleet of very angry, almost had someone make a halfway attempt at hacking them, AI ships. President Robert will be joining such notable persons as "Old TCG/Hataria", and SQ in he "Well...that was a BAAAD idea!" category of what not do.

Enjoy your imminent kinetic annihilation.

Yay! Now we can get to asskicking! :D

I think declaring war on numerous nations at once through an ill-advised and frankly idiotic attack on a neutral station earns YOU the place amongst SQ and co. Course, you already had him equalled in bastardy, why not idiocy too :P

May the Gods have mercy on you.

Hooray RoE change. You may all thank TFU for the imminent smite. Way to negotiate in poor faith, and get shot repeatedly by a fleet of very angry, almost had someone make a halfway attempt at hacking them, AI ships. President Robert will be joining such notable persons as "Old TCG/Hataria", and SQ in he "Well...that was a BAAAD idea!" category of what not do.

Enjoy your imminent kinetic annihilation.

good luck on that the only thing i have left there is that mine field and reading what TFU did yur that was real smart

I think declaring war on numerous nations at once through an ill-advised and frankly idiotic attack on a neutral station earns YOU the place amongst SQ and co. Course, you already had him equalled in bastardy, why not idiocy too :P

May the Gods have mercy on you.

If you refuse to pay attention to such simple concepts as "mercenaries aren't SSN units, there was no declaration of war", then it may in fact be you who has joined the duller of our comrades here.

oh i forgot to say that my techs did not leave when my troops , ships and DF left

If you refuse to pay attention to such simple concepts as "mercenaries aren't SSN units, there was no declaration of war", then it may in fact be you who has joined the duller of our comrades here.
It doesn't matter at this point. The mercenaries still attacked us. Now they will pay and we will track them down and obliterate their bases. And if what you say is true that the Solari give land to the mercs, then the so-called SSN better stay out of our way, lest they be considered complicit in the mercenary activites, protestations to the contrary.

Let's put it this way: as far as we nations on the Constantine Space Station are concerned, the Solari are the Taliban protecting Al Qaeda.

Ohhhhhh You pay big time... my main man! you just declared war on us, and you might like to see that my leader barely survived. also Don't forget to read my 65 ships.. spamming you with every thing they have hehe, and thats alot serves you right for trying to be a bully.

Ohhhhhh You pay big time... my main man! you just declared war on us, and you might like to see that my leader barely survived. also Don't forget to read my 65 ships.. spamming you with every thing they have hehe, and thats alot serves you right for trying to be a bully.

Time for another lesson in physics. 1,050,000km is approximately 3.5 light seconds. Assuming instant acceleration to .6c(unlikely) you could travel that distance in a bit under ten seconds. Now, that's no big to me, just means that your accuracy took a serious dive. Next... It took 4 minutes for your fleet to arrive. ICly it's been about 10 seconds I figure. 20 max. In that 4 minutes, I will obviously not be where I was when you moved away from the station. What does this all mean? Well, it means the second half of your post, where you shoot at me alot, is basically void. Each post at the moment is going to be between 10 and 30 seconds of combat. The range is not so long that it takes a few minutes for a single shot to get to the target. Just don't get pissed when I don't reply to you attack or arrival until the 4 minutes you stated has elapsed.

It doesn't matter at this point. The mercenaries still attacked us. Now they will pay and we will track them down and obliterate their bases. And if what you say is true that the Solari give land to the mercs, then the so-called SSN better stay out of our way, lest they be considered complicit in the mercenary activites, protestations to the contrary.

Let's put it this way: as far as we nations on the Constantine Space Station are concerned, the Solari are the Taliban protecting Al Qaeda.

Again with the lack of reason. You'd destroy the mercenaries, and leave their masters(aka, the guys that payed them to kill you) alone? Brilliant! I just love the way everyone compares things that have absolutely no correlation to get the desired outcome.

And, as has been noted previously. Y'all(Constantine, via TFUs idiotic hack attempt) opened fire first. Nice.

Semantics. The Mercenaries have attacked as a result turned each and every soul on the station, and the nations they represent against the Mercs, to hunt them down, quash their bases and demand an explanation and full-account for their actions.

Your attack is no better than a terrorist assault, a half-assed group declaring itself opposed to the ways of sovereign nations. Ultimately it turns numerous factions, including members of whom you claim hired you, against you, and will hold your government responsible unless you deal with the problem.

The ESUS will want to give you a gift basket, however :P

(meh you have to right to say what time has passed, frankly i think people would agree with me there, and you can take your numbers and shove them where the sun dont shine, be a man an rp, don't be a seaquest im not letting you ignore a post i put so much effort in to, frankly if you do Ill consider you beaten.)

Semantics. The Mercenaries have attacked as a result turned each and every soul on the station, and the nations they represent against the Mercs, to hunt them down, quash their bases and demand an explanation and full-account for their actions.

Your attack is no better than a terrorist assault, a half-assed group declaring itself opposed to the ways of sovereign nations. Ultimately it turns numerous factions, including members of whom you claim hired you, against you, and will hold your government responsible unless you deal with the problem.

The ESUS will want to give you a gift basket, however :P

Such small minded people... The explanation has been given(hey they tried to hack my fucking personality center, kick their asses!), the full account would be "Hey, it's y'alls fault. Not like we fired the first shot."

(meh you have to right to say what time has passed, frankly i think people would agree with me there, and you can take your numbers and shove them where the sun dont shine, be a man an rp, don't be a seaquest im not letting you ignore a post i put so much effort in to, frankly if you do Ill consider you beaten.)

I said I'm not responding to it until 4 minutes has passed. If it were otherwise, then you would be doing the next best thing to saying "And the mercenary ships sat around with their thumbs up their asses, doing absolutely nothing in the 4 minutes that elapsed between the call for backup and its arrival, completely ignoring the other fleets in the system, which they would have been shooting at and would have been shooting at them, simply for my convenience." And I do have a right to say how much time has elapsed, since I'm the one responding to things. You'll get a reply as soon as we've reached the 4 minute mark, and your ships actually appear in system.

And my numbers, which I'm going to assume you can't understand, simply mean that you're reducing the chances of hitting me, assuming I stayed in the EXACT SAME SPOT for FOUR WHOLE MINUTES doing ABSOLUTELY NOTHING.(emphasis added). You may consider me as beaten as you like. At that point you are godmodding, since I've said "I'll reply when they get there, in 4 minutes." as opposed to "Fuck you ZOMG IGNORE!", which seems to be a distinction that is lost on you.

Yeah, but ts a smart thing to fire at a station that have nations who will get really pissed off and destroy your ragtag fleet in mere seconds because you want to be I R ALPHA OMEGZ!!! RAAAWRRR!!!!!, as chron said its sheer idiocy and like i said my post is still valid i wont let you ignore the effort that YOU fail to put in but i put in every time I post, stop complaining and get to posting my main man. and no you would not be siting in the same spot, thats why we have AI'S and targeting scanners and we ADJUST OUR FIRING ARCS to hit you so be a doll and post other wise get out of my face, and if you post some half assed attempt at saying oh you didn't hit me because I was not there, consider your self ignored localy.

Yeah, but ts a smart thing to fire at a station that have nations who will get really pissed off and destroy your ragtag fleet in mere seconds because you want to be I R ALPHA OMEGZ!!! RAAAWRRR!!!!!, as chron said its sheer idiocy and like i said my post is still valid i wont let you ignore the effort that YOU fail to put in but i put in every time I post, stop complaining and get to posting my main man.

Again you assume this is a rag tag fleet, further demonstrating your ignorance, and inability to read simple sentences like "front line units" and "state of the art." Stop calling me your main man. It's not helping your case in any way shape or form.

Riiight, your ignorant for doing what your doing, witch was retarded, mean while you lack effort, and description in your post and what case? I don't need a case becuse you have all the rope you need to hang your self, icly if you don't respond you will be ignored, oocly scorned and laughed at, face it bub i didn't god mode for the sake of plot i had those 4 minuets pass quickly. don't try to use your idiotic technicalities on me. then again what would you know about plot, all you do is wank numbers and write poorly

Yeah, but ts a smart thing to fire at a station that have nations who will get really pissed off and destroy your ragtag fleet in mere seconds because you want to be I R ALPHA OMEGZ!!! RAAAWRRR!!!!!, as chron said its sheer idiocy and like i said my post is still valid i wont let you ignore the effort that YOU fail to put in but i put in every time I post, stop complaining and get to posting my main man. and no you would not be siting in the same spot, thats why we have AI'S and targeting scanners and we ADJUST OUR FIRING ARCS to hit you so be a doll and post other wise get out of my face, and if you post some half assed attempt at saying oh you didn't hit me because I was not there, consider your self ignored localy.

I put as much effort as my opponent warrants. You're demonstrating that a reduced amount of effort is in order.

effort what effort , you post nothing but wank and numbers , you dont rp, your play and say I R WINS!!!
and try to discount good writing and stain it with your wankatry and retardo tactics.
In short ill say, more cheese with that whine TSL?

Riiight, your ignorant for doing what your doing, witch was retarded, mean while you lack effort, and description in your post and what case? I don't need a case becuse you have all the rope you need to hang your self, icly if you don't respond you will be ignored, oocly scorned and laughed at, face it bub i didn't god mode for the sake of plot i had those 4 minuets pass quickly. don't try to use your idiotic technicalities on me. then again what would you know about plot, all you do is wank numbers and write poorly

Well, for the rest of us, that 4 minutes has not yet passed. What part of that you fail to comprehend is beyond me.

Your writing is a pain on the eyes, your descriptions are unsettling at best, and outright disturbing at worst, you wank numbers that you have no concept of the meaning of, you assume a moral high ground because I disagree with you, and seem to think that I'm afraid of you ignoring me. Lemme tellya. It's generally a good idea to pick a moral high ground that's out of artillery range. Although I doubt you'll understand either the reference or the metaphor, I'll explain it to you in smaller words. You are not beyond reproach. You are unreasonable, aggravating, and unable to accept any disagreement with what you think should be done, simply because it disagrees with you.

If anyone gets to decide when I reply to a post, it is of course myself. I'll reply in a manner which I find to be timely, and damn all for your demands, posturing, arrogance, and inability to wait for the rest of us to catch up with your skipping ahead. You can start shooting at my ships 4 minutes from now, but it creates a bit of a paradox, since they can't be there to be shot at 4 minutes from the events in question, until they've actually reached that point in time.

In other words, be patient, I'll reply when the time is proper, not before, no matter your demands. And you continue to demonstrate that you do not warrant the level of effort used on the rest of the nations here-in represented.

effort what effort , you post nothing but wank and numbers , you dont rp, your play and say I R WINS!!!
and try to discount good writing and stain it with your wankatry and retardo tactics.
In short ill say, more cheese with that whine TSL?

That's a rather ignorant view of anything. Your lack of understanding of tactics is understandable, your lack of understanding of physics is also understandable. To label that which you do not understand as wank, or retardo is simply not on however. My REALISTIC(in a very loose sense of the word) operate in accordance with acceptance of universal constants. I can pull out equations and show you what they do, and why. That is not wank, that is what we call "proving a point". Tactics are subjective. Flanking is rather pointless in space, since it just means I have 5 directions to move in, as opposed to 6, 7 if you want to count advancing into enemy fire. It's also contraindicated because it leaves you crossing your own T, and lets me use all my guns against a ship that is either undergunned and relies on chase armament to an unhealthy degree, or is unable to reply in kind to my own assault.

I think you should both calm down. No ones achieving anything out of proving how big an arrogant twat they are. You both need to bring it down a notch and try and come to any understanding.

If you can't work together, then theres no real point to it, is it? RPing isn't meant to be competitive insult hurling, its meant to be storytelling together. Your both as bad as each other as neither has the right to be superior or claim any kind of high ground.

So drop it. Or drop out.

I forgot to tell you ICly that the frigate launched 6 Torps, the destroyer launched 10, and the battleship let loose 40 Torps before they were destroyed.

Well, this is lovely >_>
I'll be off here in the corner, enjoying some tea or something.
(sip)

(joins Jade in ther corner)

Nice weather we're having hm? (sip) Also, AGGGGGH.

(sip)
Indeed. Although it appears to be raining projectiles traveling at .6c
How vexing.

(sip)

So... desu?

http://img402.imageshack.us/img402/6041/desuthinksbv3.jpg
Yeeeeeeees?

I'd just like to politely ask(and I'm only going to ask politely once, at which point I'll start making very violent and excessively gory demands) that everyone SLOW THE FUCK DOWN. I'm managing 2 fleets(Whyatica released his ships to my control), and have about 7 posts that need my attention. There is exactly one of me. You do the math. And, not only that, but I'm still back in the opening 30 seconds of "Fuck it, kill them all.", while y'all seem to be somewhere 5 minutes from now, so slow down, be patient, and quit gloating like a 2 year old with a cookie, before someone gets shot repeatedly in the face with a ten meter MAC. REPEATEDLY.

President Robert bastidas of The United Colonial Planets Resident NS iron man says:
the next pos he was going to put an FTLI up we all knew that
President Robert bastidas of The United Colonial Planets Resident NS iron man says:
but TCG gave me an excuse to post
President Robert bastidas of The United Colonial Planets Resident NS iron man says:
and i posted
President Robert bastidas of The United Colonial Planets Resident NS iron man says:
now hes crying becuse he lost his milk and honey

Thank you for admitting to using OOC knowledge for IC gain. REAL brilliant that. In most circles that's called godmodding, or metagaming. I'm just going to call it gross arrogance and an inability to understand the linear movement of time, and how it functions in an RP environment.

Further EDIT: I'll have a reply up for CW, Abh, and maybe Kanuck tonight, I think. Depends how late I get off of work.

Now that the delegates are safe We have no reason to rush, we can make this a painful battle for our foes.

And the fact that you used OOC knowledge in the doing is such a beautiful thing, isn't it? And that, yaknow, my entire argument has been "slow the fuck down." In case you don't get it, that applies retroactively. You will all recieve replies as you warrant them. I'll get to your post once lent is over.

Nice how you conveniently forget i had an excuse to post, and because you are actually losing once in your ns life you have to bitch and whine, now put up or shut up, threads sure as hell don't wait for me why the hell should they wait for you princess.

Nice how you conveniently forget i had an excuse to post, and because you are actually losing once in your ns life you have to bitch and whine, now put up or shut up, threads sure as hell don't wait for me why the hell should they wait for you princess.

Not my issue. You make them wait if you have to. And, I'm really not anywhere near losing. The correlation of forces is still decidedly in my favor. Now, since you cannot wait on your own, I am going to enforce the wait on you. From this point on your posts have the lowest priority in my reply chain. Any post made in reply to a post I have made, even if I haven't replied to you, takes automatic precedence. So, you can either wait like a good little boy, and shut yer yap, ignore me because I'm not going to be rushed, or go back to a point in time where we're all actually on the same page. It's called "cooperative RP" and so far, you fail miserably at both sides.

You know, I think I'll just step out of this particular portion of the RP.
Let me know when something comes up that people are going to act civil about. :rolleyes:
Disregard my previous post about entering the combat, if anybody saw it.

I'm going to have to agree with TSL here. It's complete bullshit that TFU can just skip ahead without letting his opponent respond, and rather rude too.

so the Space Battle going to shit has it , i got a good mind to carry out my plan and let the Space Battle to be carryed out by you lot

As the OP of this Thread I kindly and politely ask everyone to be polite and calm. Bickering will get nothing done at all

How about setting up a time table with 30 second increments to dictate each TURN or ACTION we might have. Turn-based RPs have been around for years and are very sucessful in tabletop versions of many games.

As I see it, TSL made his attack. That event began the whole thing and counts as the zero mark. Our initial responses would be the first actions we took. In my case I responded to the spamming of missiles by having my ships launching a volly of torps and trying to take emergency maneuvers before they were obliterated. In the next "turn I will find out what the Torps did and try to bring in more forces to combat the mercs.

It is reasonable for multi-turn actions to remove yourself from the current round of actions into one that has not happened. If I cannot bring my ships in from T-Space, I will have to appear outside the FTLi and bring them in that way. It will take more time and I will be out of action until it is again time for me to act.

Question: should we retcon certain events that have occurred, like say the Fedral Union beaming several characters away from the station?

has someone said a word of the Station Shields going down yet

Question: should we retcon certain events that have occurred, like say the Fedral Union beaming several characters away from the station?

how the Hell can he i'm jamming that
EDIT heres the post link
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12356132&postcount=257

Question: should we retcon certain events that have occurred, like say the Fedral Union beaming several characters away from the station?

I'd say so. It would appear that there was no consultation with any of the affected parties or even a saving throw.

It could easily be called godmoding.

Question: should we retcon certain events that have occurred, like say the Fedral Union beaming several characters away from the station?

I'm actually ok with that one. I feel that it happened in sequence with his first response, therefore not being a retconnable moment. The FTL out, and similar actions, I do feel are quite in line to be retconned if that is called for by an adoption of Balroggas suggestion.

how the Hell can he i'm jamming that
EDIT heres the post link
http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showpost.php?p=12356132&postcount=257
It's entirely possible to break through jamming. Besides he mentioned that his transporters burned out after the attempt. Give him some credit, will ya? I've heard enough of his complaints and I must say, it's high time we stopped treating him like a leper.

I'd say so. It would appear that there was no consultation with any of the affected parties or even a saving throw.

It could easily be called godmoding.
It's entirely up to the player to accept it. If they do, they can respond appropriately. If they don't, they stay on the station. It's as easy as that.

It's entirely possible to break through jamming. Besides he mentioned that his transporters burned out after the attempt. Give him some credit, will ya? I've heard enough of his complaints and I must say, it's high time we stopped treating him like a leper.


It's entirely up to the player to accept it. If they do, they can respond appropriately. If they don't, they stay on the station. It's as easy as that.

ok thank you pointing that out he said they burned out when he did it,

what with all the jumping about in the thread its hard to keep up on whats happen when i get up

yes It's entirely possible to break through jamming thats one thing i don't need to fight about

Also, addressing the point of Dark Matter Shielding. To my best knowledge, that's like saying it has gravitic shielding, which would more serve to slow or stop MACs than beam weapons.

I also extend to everyone else the same offer I extended Balrogga(and had accepted). You may choose to either appear outside my FTLi when you bring in reinforcements, or you may accept a roll of d% every post, with a cumulative 10% chance to breach the field. The higher the chance, the closer you emerge to my fleet as well. It really is your option however.

Any issues may be addressed to me on MSN.

Also, addressing the point of Dark Matter Shielding. To my best knowledge, that's like saying it has gravitic shielding, which would more serve to slow or stop MACs than beam weapons.

as it Ri-an Tech i have no idea how he has it set up or how long it can hold

my plan set around it can take only to two more hits then its gone, but the plan would kick in before that happens

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i'm only RP the Techs in control room or what ever you may call
and TSL Any issues i may have, i have to addressed you by TG

TSL please kindly explain to me how you dodged , thousands of weapons firing at the speed of light and projectiles firing at faster than light before you put your FTLi? it seems to me thats total rubbish, and you just took it out of ass space, but then again I'm just a n00b talking right, because you can totally take minimal damage and no losses with enough fire power coming at you to slag a planet with in a few seconds right? no to mention 10 tone shells going at 6 times the speed of light.

TSL please kindly explain to me how you dodged , thousands of weapons firing at the speed of light and projectiles firing at faster than light before you put your FTLi? it seems to me thats total rubbish, and you just took it out of ass space, but then again I'm just a n00b talking right, because you can totally take minimal damage and no losses with enough fire power coming at you to slag a planet with in a few seconds right? no to mention 10 tone shells going at 6 times the speed of light.

Well, for one, you're not using lasers, so that means no light speed shoop da wooping.

Secondly, it takes infinite energy to accelerate something to 1c. Going beyond c is flat out impossible.

Warp Torps!

Well, for one, you're not using lasers, so that means no light speed shoop da wooping.

Secondly, it takes infinite energy to accelerate something to 1c. Going beyond c is flat out impossible.

I'm using beams of energy going at light speed , and i'm also using FTL drives attached to 10 tone metal slugs FYI.

I'm using beams of energy going at light speed , and i'm also using FTL drives attached to 10 tone metal slugs FYI.

Unless those beams are made of light, no shoop da woop. If they are, they're lasers and should be described as such.

Also: Seeing as how most FTL is based around bypassing normal space, I find it unlikely that your slugs would be capable of interacting with an object within normal space.

Keyword: most!

the shell has a bubble of sub space around it, when the sub space bubble hits an object it pops letting the shell hit the target instantly as it pops, then again who cares its NS , and people use black hole weapons.

the shell has a bubble of sub space around it, when the sub space bubble hits an object it pops letting the shell hit the target instantly as it pops, then again who cares its NS , and people use black hole weapons.

So what you're saying is that cosmic dust would cause the bubble to burst and your projectile to instantly violate the laws of physics and divide by zero?

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TFU dodges the question

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Hey, Im psychic!

Neither the time nor place for this kind of argument, take it to the argument thread bal has.

But this is an ooc thread too... how can it be neither the time nor place for bringing up an OOC concern?

because this is an ooc thread about a station nad other thread not an argument over weapons.

No, its an OOC thread where people can get stuff explained to them. This concern about warp-torps is pertinent to the thread, so it has more reason to be here than in FT arguments. Don't dodge the question, TFU.

Bryn: I BELIEVE that warp-using vessels and whatnot have navigational shields to deal with specks of space dust... the warp field would be disrupted more by shielding than anything else. There MIGHT also be a repulsion effect by the warp field that causes the little bits of debris to go elsewhere as the ship passes through, but I never paid attention to star trek tech much, and I'm not even certain if that's specifically what TFU uses.

Well, for one, you're not using lasers, so that means no light speed shoop da wooping.

Secondly, it takes infinite energy to accelerate something to 1c. Going beyond c is flat out impossible.

Please, the hypocrisy coming from you eats at my very soul. Claiming something to be impossible in Future Tech and pulling universal constants out of your hat is one of those no no's in this genre.

Most of what you see is impossible, physical objects can go past lightspeed in future tech because a player decides it can. If you want to start dictating what is and what is not possible in this patch of Rping, then you will find yourself alone.

So please, don't go dictating constants in a realm of RP where there is none.

Please, the hypocrisy coming from you eats at my very soul. Claiming something to be impossible in Future Tech and pulling universal constants out of your hat is one of those no no's in this genre.

Most of what you see is impossible, physical objects can go past lightspeed in future tech because a player decides it can. If you want to start dictating what is and what is not possible in this patch of Rping, then you will find yourself alone.

So please, don't go dictating constants in a realm of RP where there is none.

Are you retarded? They're called universal constants because they're universal and constant. The light speed barrier still exists in FT, and that will never change. The only way achieve FTL speeds is to bypass the barrier, not ignore it.

A universal constant like the light speed barrier will not change regardless of tech level, because the energy required to get to light speed will still be infinite. Not even Candlejack can brute force his way past the light speed ba

Are you retarded? They're called universal constants because they're universal and constant. The light speed barrier still exists in FT, and that will never change. The only way achieve FTL speeds is to bypass the barrier, not ignore it.

A universal constant like the light speed barrier will not change regardless of tech level, because the energy required to get to light speed will still be infinite. Not even Candlejack can brute force his way past the light speed ba

I surely must be retarded if I have realised that nationstates is a game and that players can and do ignore certain real life elements when they so desire, otherwise there would be no future tech at all.

I'm not debating what can and cannot happen in real life, but what I am debating, is your ability to make demands and constants in a free form role-play environment where they are specifically not adhered to.

A Universal constant at future tech level is no constant at all, which is why we all roleplay science-FICTION and not, science-FACT. Perhaps when you realise how we play this game, then you may call others...."morons."

I surely must be retarded if I have realised that nationstates is a game and that players can and do ignore certain real life elements when they so desire, otherwise there would be no future tech at all.

I'm not debating what can and cannot happen in real life, but what I am debating, is your ability to make demands and constants in a free form role-play environment where they are specifically not adhered to.

A Universal constant at future tech level is no constant at all, which is why we all roleplay science-FICTION and not, science-FACT. Perhaps when you realise how we play this game, then you may call others...."morons."

You're forgetting the most important part of science fiction. Science. If you throw out the light speed barrier, probably the most important feature of the universe with regards to FT, then why not toss out the laws of motion? While we're at it, lets do away with thermodynamics and gravity. Hell, lets just do away with the science completely and just make this fantasy.

FT is science fiction. While there will of course be liberties taken with physics, ignoring the laws of physics completely is not part of science fiction. If you want to ignore the laws of the universe, go for it. I wouldn't expect many people to accept it though.

FT is science fiction. While there will of course be liberties taken with physics, ignoring the laws of physics completely is not part of science fiction. If you want to ignore the laws of the universe, go for it. I wouldn't expect many people to accept it though.

Most FT seems to be space opera, actually >_>

Most FT seems to be space opera, actually >_>

Stop making sense, that'll get you killed around here.

Stop making sense, that'll get you killed around here.

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Most FT seems to be space opera, actually >_>

That FT isn't the FT that involves people ignoring the light speed barrier to make a weapon. However, even a space opera will generally respect the rules that make the universe work.

Its nation states, you can have magic for all you care, you can have chaos gods, pyskers Liberians and jedi, with magic and stuff, and your telling me your whining about a weapon? oh please its just another "Oh TFU is wrong in my eyes lets all gang up on him" if you want to adhere to physics then you cant go FTL at all, or have those wave front bombs at all, your being hypocritical and like sith said you will end up alone.

Its nation states, you can have magic for all you care, you can have chaos gods, pyskers Liberians and jedi, with magic and stuff, and your telling me your whining about a weapon? oh please its just another "Oh TFU is wrong in my eyes lets all gang up on him" if you want to adhere to physics then you cant go FTL at all, or have those wave front bombs at all, your being hypocritical and like sith said you will end up alone.

Magic won't allow someone to exceed the speed of light on the prime material plane.

is that all you have to say? honestly stuff it your not gaining any points by trying to make me look like a fool.

I wasn't aware that I had to do anything to make you look like a fool.

I also notice that you do nothing to refute my arguements.

you had nothing to refute mine about being a Hypocrite and your FTL drive and such.

I wasn't aware that I had to do anything to make you look like a fool.

I also notice that you do nothing to refute my arguements.

Quite frankly I'm not enjoying the attitude here. You ought to treat Rob with the respect you think you deserve, or I'll treat you with the respect that most of Mars gave you (if memory serves, didn't you look a right fool there?)

Continue and I can only assume that your naturally this much of a nuisance, or you think precious little of yourself.

Magic won't allow someone to exceed the speed of light on the prime material plane.

Bet you a dollar?

Bet you a dollar?

Given that teleport, dimension door, and the like bypass the Prime with the Astral plane, you're on.

Given that teleport, dimension door, and the like bypass the Prime with the Astral plane, you're on.

So what law says that magic, which quite obviously doesnt obey a number of key laws, is bound by the speed of light restrictions?
If you provide me with a respected scientific source which states that magic cant accelerate an object past the speed of light, I'll agree with you.

Until that point, sufficient application of magic can do anything. Perhaps not practically, or safely, or reliably, but it can be done.

Well TFU, you are absolutely right. One cannot go FTL if we obeying the laws of physics. This is due to the fact that as one approaches the speed of light, the mass of their spaceship (and the energy required to accelerate the spaceship) increases. Ignoring other problems such as those associated with relativistic effects, like having time slow down while everything stays the same and all that jazz, it'd be impossible to achieve the energy necessary to get to c, let alone get above it.

However, while the laws of physics as we know them apply in normal space, things change if you bypass the rules by modifying space-time or by leaving this plane of existance completely. On another plane, the rules may or may not be different.

For example, an Alcubierre drive. By expanding space behind your spacecraft and contracting space ahead of it while encased in a stable bubble, you can pull your destination to yourself and push your initial starting point away. While doing this, you can effectively stand still while your destination approaches you at what would seem to be FTL speeds.

Another example is entering a parallel level coexistant with the universe. For example, leaving this universe and entering a parallel level with vastly different physical properties (for example, one where the speed of light is not the absolute speed barrier) will allow one's spaceship to go faster than the speed of light in relation to the material plane. Therefore, it doesn't break the laws of physics, the spaceship simply goes around them.

The conversation is deviating from information needed specifically for the RP itself into discussions on philosophical discussions that really belongs on the Arguments Thread. Cam we please get back to absolute details necessary for the RP and continue other discussions in the appropriate Thread?

Also, I ask everyone to treat others with the same respect you wish to receive in return. If you cannot, I will ask you to not post here. I consider that a reasonable request.

So what law says that magic, which quite obviously doesnt obey a number of key laws, is bound by the speed of light restrictions?
If you provide me with a respected scientific source which states that magic cant accelerate an object past the speed of light, I'll agree with you.

Until that point, sufficient application of magic can do anything. Perhaps not practically, or safely, or reliably, but it can be done.

Magic still obeys the physical laws of the planes. Most of the questionable things done with magic are done in much the same way as many FTL systems. They tap another plane to bypass the prime's traits.

TSL please kindly explain to me how you dodged , thousands of weapons firing at the speed of light and projectiles firing at faster than light before you put your FTLi? it seems to me thats total rubbish, and you just took it out of ass space, but then again I'm just a n00b talking right, because you can totally take minimal damage and no losses with enough fire power coming at you to slag a planet with in a few seconds right? no to mention 10 tone shells going at 6 times the speed of light.

My ships aren't there anymore. Since we're taking Balrogga's suggestion, that means that my jump timing and Abhs appearance and FTLi are almost concurrent. Meaning that when I jumped, the system was not interdicted against that action. My ships are behind your fleet now, and " a few seconds" is a very long time when you figure that processing the entire battle area, assessing the threats, and coming up with a response takes less than a second on the part of the command ships. The important part, which you seem to have missed, is that I didn't stand there and take your hits like some fool with tactical doctrine dating from the time of Gustavus. I capitalized on mobility, and then ensured that my opponents would be unable to replicate my actions, thereby both capitalizing on a strength, and weakening the enemy. It's good tactics, and no matter how much you disagree with me, I will not act a fool simply to make ANYONE happy. Unless the point is to act a fool, in which case I just might.

Hitting intersteller hydrogen isnt bad for my C fracs, thats only because well..its a Cfrac and you would need something like an anti static charge for it to work in the first place. After all sending super lead at 180 000 kms will blow up if it hits anything, and space for all its emptiness..isnt as empty as it looks.

I think more so the problem with this Cfractional argument is that people are trying to use real science to describe a weapon system that does not work with modern science. Just like most of the "science" problems in FT. Lets just put it this way, everyone who has FTL breaks the laws of physics, anyone who has FTLi mangles them even worse. As for FTL impacts, well I have seen FTL missiles and C+ cannons everywhere. Same thing it goes up against my Ubecht field and DEM armour and it doesnt do that wonderful FTL hibbedy jibbesy. Why because my Esoteric Hibbedy jibbedy, which follows not the laws of physics can counter the hit.

Thats what I think people are missing the most here..this is a game about writing. For instance in the constantine thread [I dont want to mangle it with my viewpoints anywhere but this thread, which is what its for] Solarin league is talking about tactics. How good his are and the like. To be honest that one little FTL jump getting you out of the way is great except for one slight problem. You never did take the first hits, it takes a little time to FTL, even if its half a second with Missiles screaming at you at 1.8 million kms, your not going to get away without having to take..some hits at least. They may not impact at that speed but they sure do move that fast. Thats how TFU used them. Also, Solarin, simply SAYING your in a better position doesnt make it so. You wrote nothing other then that, you wrote no movement and as far as anyone else knows you have never, ever written your ships or presented them as extra agile and mobile. The only thing you write your ships as is very bluntly and without any real writing simply well armed.

So why should anyone accept your ships as being super fast and agile when you have never once presented them as such.

uehm

There was little hope that the 2 ISDs would survive in the minds of the Minbari. They KNEW that their ships were capable of destruction on a scale never imagined by the Coredians, the Empire.

This TSL is a rather fallacious statement, to state that your ships are simply superior in such a blunt and really not convincing way is not a measure of power. Its simply you once again claiming superiority without actually trying to work for it. As for Minbari sharlin VS ISD...sorry ISD outfirepowers a sharlin by such a high degree, that canon for canon the Sharlin would be so much floating space junk if it encountered an ISD. To say that your ships are that much better is a rather presumptious statement when the only writing you have to back this up is "They KNEW their ships were bett0r".

The Solari Mercenaries paused for a moment to observe things. Assuming one defined a "moment" as several fractions of a second so small as to be immeasurable without negative exponents.

This assumes as well that you are somehow superior to the enemy, Icly TFU has put alot more time in to its AI as well as has presented it as such. The best you could ever hope for is to jump as the weapons hit you..even then at 1.8 million km a second..its doubtful.
Solari ships, nearly 3,000 by this point(counting Gunships), now arrayed outside the Fedral "trap", had the jump on their foes. Missiles roared out again in a tidal bore of fury, seemingly few in number, their multiple warheads would split shortly before impact, and leave Point Defense theoretically overwhelmed at the last moment, in the most critical phase, where the hundreds of low yield(read, megatonnages) AM conversion weapons would be most able to slam into shield and hulls, and immolate their targets with massed fire. MACs failed to fire, or so it seemed. In truth, they were simply cycling their rounds to await the onslaught of missiles they expected in reply to their own barrage. The Balroggan torpedoes, and a rather large percentage of Fedral ordnance, had been handily evaded as they FTLed away, but any return missile fire would come in thick and heavy, and PD might be inadequate to the task of stopping it all. Which was why the Solari had, over time, developed specialist rounds of all stripes for their guns. Now it only remained to be seen who got to taste the hate...



Where is the maneuvering, remember you said you used good tactics. Also remember that even being behind TFU's ships...you arent doing anything to counter his movement..or moving. In fact I havent even read your ships...moving, just shooting and describing how Ubar your weapons are.

So i am inclined to state that you should be rping this as a massed horde, a fleet that is so much larger then its foes it can smash through them. It certainly isnt elite, not in tactics, weapons or writing has it been portrayed as such.

This being said you do indeed have so many ships there that your enemies will have to fight hard to win. This being said, if you dont start actually writing tactics and movement, it wont be as hard for them as it looks. Tactics are not assumptions of superiority, as you write. As far as I have seen in your writing TSL, thats all i see. Assumptions of superiority, ever since way back in the cluster when i first met you. That may be your writing style..but its really not that interesting, entertaining or even logical. Its hard to RP with someone who leaves out all the important bits of a battle, also simply assuming no one else has your capabilities [lets be blunt your fleet is cardboard], is stupidity when you must consider that your ships are not the highest quality vessels in NS, not by a long shot..especially if you have a 5k ship fleet at 3 billion pop. After all thats the only hard and fast rule on fleet sizes, 1 bil per 1k as a maximum for decent ships.

As i stated to you before, you indeed have a numerical advantage that is high enough to win, but its not assured of victory. Others will use real tactics against you, so best to start actually writing some in response, or i will see no reason for Abh, TFU or Coreworlds to accept any of the stuff you claim is happening, because all your writing is shooting and assumptions of superiority. This kind of writing is exactly why i ASKED to be banned from mars forums as well as asked to be ignored by the rest of the people there.

Because its hard to write a good story when your opponent is writing tripe, and right now thats what your doing mini. Start to write more then just weapon descriptions, the rest of the people here put alot of time in to their posts and maneuvers, if you are the strategic genius you claim to be, you must have more then that cheap, easily defeated and reacted to trick.

[Note TFU has quantam tech as his primary, he could easily predict your ships were emerging behind him, detecting it and reacting accordingly.]

You're forgetting the most important part of science fiction. Science. If you throw out the light speed barrier, probably the most important feature of the universe with regards to FT, then why not toss out the laws of motion?

I believe they are in quite a lot of roleplays.

While we're at it, lets do away with thermodynamics and gravity.

Yup most people ignore those too.......

Hell, lets just do away with the science completely and just make this fantasy.

Ahh so you figured it out! Well looking at the forums I see a huge blend of star wars, warhammer, Lord of the rings, hmmm yeah, I think we already have for the most part.

FT is science fiction.

Incorrect, FT in II is anything where there is a space ship.

While there will of course be liberties taken with physics, ignoring the laws of physics completely is not part of science fiction.

Well sorry to announce it bub, but we do ignore the laws of physics when and how we choose. You declaring just what science fiction is, well, I'm afraid you're in the wrong forum, perhaps you should go back to NS where they agree..... oh wait.... They don't agree with you either.....

If you want to ignore the laws of the universe, go for it. I wouldn't expect many people to accept it though.

Have a read of almost every thread in II. We do ignore laws of the universe, and we all roleplay and accept it.

I didnt think this argument was about whether or not the laws of physics are being broken <.< but more so whether or not Solarins FTLi should be allowed to be all encompassing or all powerful, as well as about the solarin league and TFU's differences.

FT does not have to apply to science, in II the story is all and thats what we are trying to work through guys, the differences between TFU and TSL are more math issues then any issue on whether or not its physically possible. After all,Dr Urenbechts first law of physics is this, Laws were meant to be broken. This is generally the way most people here like it as it makes the story, plot and tactics [if competitive RP] more important then the scientific hibbedyjibbedy. Dont get me wrong I like putting a bit of science in, and I like doing science threads, but I dont really mind if I dont get it right.

So lets get this back to the topic at hand, The Solarin Leagues attack on the station, as well as the defenders. The argument was about whether or not the salvo's would have struck these solarin ships before they FTL'd out. Well it depends really, anything that was moving at FTL speeds before the hit would likely have hit, however anything else I would say might not have hit. Then again it really depends on the range. The Solarin league is far too vague to really be able to give us any idea of how far away they were, as well as whether or not they were moving evasively. The image I got was a bunch of ships jumping in all guns blazing then jumping out and in again, moving forward I suppose, with all guns blazing. At least as far as what I read.

So then its not about whether or not Solarin league should have taken damage so much in my mind, but what his ships actually did. In the case of what I read, he didnt do anything even remotely evasive aside from the FTL jump away from ordnance. This means anything C+ will likely have hit him, in my eyes. However without knowing how far away he was from the others, I cant give an opinion on what the other weapons would have done.

Let's stay on topic and use the Arguments Thread for any side discussions like what defines SCi Fi and the color of an orange.

Also, remember to show the same respect for everyone that you wish to have in return.

If not, please don't post.

There was little hope that the 2 ISDs would survive in the minds of the Minbari. They KNEW that their ships were capable of destruction on a scale never imagined by the Coredians, the Empire.

This TSL is a rather fallacious statement, to state that your ships are simply superior in such a blunt and really not convincing way is not a measure of power. Its simply you once again claiming superiority without actually trying to work for it. As for Minbari sharlin VS ISD...sorry ISD outfirepowers a sharlin by such a high degree, that canon for canon the Sharlin would be so much floating space junk if it encountered an ISD. To say that your ships are that much better is a rather presumptious statement when the only writing you have to back this up is "They KNEW their ships were bett0r".

The Solari Mercenaries paused for a moment to observe things. Assuming one defined a "moment" as several fractions of a seYou latch onto points that are cond so small as to be immeasurable without negative exponents.

This assumes as well that you are somehow superior to the enemy, Icly TFU has put alot more time in to its AI as well as has presented it as such. The best you could ever hope for is to jump as the weapons hit you..even then at 1.8 million km a second..its doubtful.
Solari ships, nearly 3,000 by this point(counting Gunships), now arrayed outside the Fedral "trap", had the jump on their foes. Missiles roared out again in a tidal bore of fury, seemingly few in number, their multiple warheads would split shortly before impact, and leave Point Defense theoretically overwhelmed at the last moment, in the most critical phase, where the hundreds of low yield(read, megatonnages) AM conversion weapons would be most able to slam into shield and hulls, and immolate their targets with massed fire. MACs failed to fire, or so it seemed. In truth, they were simply cycling their rounds to await the onslaught of missiles they expected in reply to their own barrage. The Balroggan torpedoes, and a rather large percentage of Fedral ordnance, had been handily evaded as they FTLed away, but any return missile fire would come in thick and heavy, and PD might be inadequate to the task of stopping it all. Which was why the Solari had, over time, developed specialist rounds of all stripes for their guns. Now it only remained to be seen who got to taste the hate...



Where is the maneuvering, remember you said you used good tactics. Also remember that even being behind TFU's ships...you arent doing anything to counter his movement..or moving. In fact I havent even read your ships...moving, just shooting and describing how Ubar your weapons are.

So i am inclined to state that you should be rping this as a massed horde, a fleet that is so much larger then its foes it can smash through them. It certainly isnt elite, not in tactics, weapons or writing has it been portrayed as such.

This being said you do indeed have so many ships there that your enemies will have to fight hard to win. This being said, if you dont start actually writing tactics and movement, it wont be as hard for them as it looks. Tactics are not assumptions of superiority, as you write. As far as I have seen in your writing TSL, thats all i see. Assumptions of superiority, ever since way back in the cluster when i first met you. That may be your writing style..but its really not that interesting, entertaining or even logical. Its hard to RP with someone who leaves out all the important bits of a battle, also simply assuming no one else has your capabilities [lets be blunt your fleet is cardboard], is stupidity when you must consider that your ships are not the highest quality vessels in NS, not by a long shot..especially if you have a 5k ship fleet at 3 billion pop. After all thats the only hard and fast rule on fleet sizes, 1 bil per 1k as a maximum for decent ships.

As i stated to you before, you indeed have a numerical advantage that is high enough to win, but its not assured of victory. Others will use real tactics against you, so best to start actually writing some in response, or i will see no reason for Abh, TFU or Coreworlds to accept any of the stuff you claim is happening, because all your writing is shooting and assumptions of superiority. This kind of writing is exactly why i ASKED to be banned from mars forums as well as asked to be ignored by the rest of the people there.

Because its hard to write a good story when your opponent is writing tripe, and right now thats what your doing mini. Start to write more then just weapon descriptions, the rest of the people here put alot of time in to their posts and maneuvers, if you are the strategic genius you claim to be, you must have more then that cheap, easily defeated and reacted to trick.

[Note TFU has quantam tech as his primary, he could easily predict your ships were emerging behind him, detecting it and reacting accordingly.]

Sharlins, in canon, get more exponents to play with at the end of their hideously large firepower numbers. ISD=/=Sharlin in terms of firepower. See relavent threads concerning battles between the GE and GFFA for details.

Next irrelevant point... I haven't needed to actually, yaknow, try and dodge anything in real space yet, since my AIs(Yeah, they're that fast, it's called observation. They DID it, so they MUST be ABLE to do it) are not in a position to be receiving fire at the moment. "Maneuver" without anything to maneuver against is pointless dancing, as opposed to useful movement.

I am glad that I never asked for yet another worthless opinion from you. I am RPing my ships as they would act, utilizing their superior(gasp, in this case FTL!) mobility, to outmaneuver(hey, he's not pointing his guns at me anymore, and his rear area is in the sights of my main guns), an enemy that had them surrounded.

1k per bil capships is accepted(and even that I disagree with to a degree). Gunship/parasite/fighter/what have ye=/= capship. In capships I have something like 1,500 and change.

As yet, no one has actually engaged in anything that might be called combat. There has been plenty of potshotting on both sides, but the closest to actually killing on each other has been between me, Abh, and CW. The so-called "superior players" have done nothing. Their vaunted hours of effort on a single retardedly long post amount to so much hot air. So you can write 7 pages of post in MS Word. I can fit the same meaning in one page.



Yaknow, as a really minor side note, as to my best knowledge, Abh and CW DO accept the things that my fleets can do, just like they accept that a Sharlin can beat an ISD, and if they did not, it would be a disgusting double standard on their parts, what with the number of times I've A demonstrated my ships ability to do stuff, and B done that stuff as their ally.

Note: "Quantum" does not equal "precognitive". Quantum equals "really bleeding fast". Unless of course you are suddenly an expert on my FTL, my weapons, my armor systems, my shields, my sensors, and in all ways more knowledgeable about my craft and technology than myself. I can demonstrate a lack of knowledge on your part in fact. My FTLi is not going to allow a PtP transport. Why you ask, can I say with such certainty that this is such? Because my FTL(which has demonstrably bypassed FTLi in the past, without ignore and on a regular basis) is a point to point system. It is stopped by MY FTLi system. So, just because you can connect two points in space(hey, I can do that too, still can't use my FTL inside my FTLi system) does not mean that you can get through. See, you didn't know that did you? If I exclude myself, then I exclude everyone. Tannelorn, this means YOU.

You latch onto points that are without consequence, and in all likelihood will see my responses as a victory on your part in this sad excuse for a debate which you have started. What it boils down to is you attempting to inflict your style of play on the rest of us. You may enjoy wasting time with research threads and such. I do not. If you ignore the capabilities of my equipment based on the fact that I have "ZOMG NO RESARCH!!", that just shows that you're both small minded, and a poor RPer, nothing more. It does not demonstrate the supposed superiority of your ships, or the vaunted uberness of your tech. It simply shows that, in the realm of cooperative RP, you fail miserably at both halves.

Well let me put it this way, Tannelorn is icly a fleet power and we have 1700 ships and 7.8 billion odd people, plus research, plus IC back up. Also my "retardedly" long posts actually contain all the minute details of what I am about to do, what my ships are doing etc etc. Your posts dont really convey ANY of the same meaning. For instance you had to tell us ooc that your ships are evading. Thats not just assumed my friend. When you jump in, then fire and jump out again..thats exactly what it looks like. A giant gank fleet coming in and firing all guns forward with absolutely no care for tactics. As for the capabilities of your ships, I accept them just fine, however your lack of beam armament makes your ships total junk when facing mine.

Thats because I almost eschew beam defense in favour of Kinetic and anti missile defense. Our beam defense is to not get hit if we can help it. That being said, I accept the 1k per 1bil as decent ships for those that dont research RP. You claim to have over 5k ships in your fleet and TSL is not five billion strong. This means compared to many, you have cardboard fleets. Just because you can say your ships have QUALITY in bold face, and do some kinetic calculations, doesnt mean they do. I have calculations for all my weapons, I did it for fun, but I wont put any of it in RP as it ruins it completely and takes away from the actual battle. It turns in to a numbers game, and thats not RP.

As you say its about writing, all I am asking is for you to actually convey an image of your ships as more then just floating cannon boats attacking in a great swarm. You dont convey in one post any more meaning then anyone else, thats the problem TSL. You convey far, far less. I cant find anything more then "my ship is terrifying rawr" as your example of its power. See the thing is maybe your ships superiority would be acceptable if you didnt have so many, or if you at least wrote something a little more meaty about them.

And solarin, it has nothing to do with your FTLi being able to stop Balmungs FTL. You simply dont have the sheer power to stop balmung at any farther then 30ls. Your 120 AU simply doesnt work the same way against it. Balmung has bypassed FTLi and been accepted as well, by simply overpowering your FTLi with the true blue black hole that powers it. Icly its a super ship, almost one of a kind, there were three..you dont see my building a Siegfried II do you?

Balmung appeared 20 ls away, approximately 18 seconds from engagement range. Its a post away Solarin league, thats the best any FTLi is going to get against Balmung with its FTLiC [Faster then light inhibitor canceller.] Remember, I dont use true blue FTli, I dont use tac jumps. I have two [count them, two] SD's that can by pass FTLi, and still cant Tac FTL. Its easily acceptable. Balmung and Fafnir cannot be stopped by FTLi, as they harness a true blue black hole for power. Its also the reason there are only two and plans for the true SD involve making it far larger and NOT equipping it with a black hole generator. They wont have that ability. Of course this doesnt even begin to mention my sub light jump drive, which isnt affected by FTLi, and acceptably so. However my standard DEM drives are effected by FTLi, which is why i could only send in Balmung and its Flotilla.

So if I am a bad RPer because I dont accept the infinite pown of the Solarin league then thats fine. However you now have a chance to kill Balmung, a ship that has done many nasty things Icly. Take it but I warn you, I wont accept the pown of Solarin ships until I see it. As far as I am concerned, Balmung is a great white shark bearing down on some tuna and minnows. I challenge you to change that perception. Believe me you have a good chance to kill Balmung, you have the numbers, you just need the right approach..because i sure wont be charging that thing down the throat of your forces.

Magic still obeys the physical laws of the planes. Most of the questionable things done with magic are done in much the same way as many FTL systems. They tap another plane to bypass the prime's traits.

Says you.
I disagree. Magic allows you to bypass universal laws if you so choose.
Magic obeys its own laws, tapping into other planes is simply easier, more practical, safe, and reliable than flicking something across the galaxy at 20x the speed of light.

Magic can do as much as you want it to. What I assume you're talking about is the standards that II and NS has imposed on magic, but it isn't held down by SCIENCE!

From the looks of it, Jade uses magic instead of tech. You know, instead of saying commence warp Jade says CAST GO FASTER MODE and whatnot.

Unless I'm wrong.

whats with all the poeple who have not Signed the Treaty showing up
i think 12 Nations can take on Merc Fleet

Magic can do as much as you want it to. What I assume you're talking about is the standards that II and NS has imposed on magic, but it isn't held down by SCIENCE!

From the looks of it, Jade uses magic instead of tech. You know, instead of saying commence warp Jade says CAST GO FASTER MODE and whatnot.

Unless I'm wrong.

Exactly. Magic =/= Science.

Im using a mix of both, my standard FTL technology is (essentially) a wormhole generator powered by magic. This (and most of my technology) is basically a steampunk/fantasy mix.
But, I suppose 'go faster mode' would be an option with a suffeciently powerful mage on board.

My magic works fine since its your typical 40k sci-fantasyish Warp magic/Psyker power thingy :P

Well, normally I don't like people using magic, as fantasy and science fiction rarely go together well. That, and the wanking people are used to, "I fling a giant fireball at your planet! I WINZORZ!". And i have seen a lot of it, trust me. However, you and Kesshite seem to know what you are doing, so I am fine with it. As long as it is in normal parameters, and it isnt your Deus Ex Machina, I am okey dokey with it. ^^

Well, normally I don't like people using magic, as fantasy and science fiction rarely go together well. That, and the wanking people are used to, "I fling a giant fireball at your planet! I WINZORZ!". And i have seen a lot of it, trust me. However, you and Kesshite seem to know what you are doing, so I am fine with it. As long as it is in normal parameters, and it isnt your Deus Ex Machina, I am okey dokey with it. ^^

The problem with the flinging of giant fireballs is that excessive use of magic often has unpleasant side effects on your local reality, like your mage being dragged kicking and screaming into another dimension by betentacled horrors :P

So while giant-fireball flinging is perfectly possible, it would also require the loss of quite a powerful mage.

Thaum Cannons are more practical ;)


My magic works fine since its your typical 40k sci-fantasyish Warp magic/Psyker power thingy :P
Which has the decided disadvantage of driving you stark raving mad :P
But then again...
Sanity is for the weak, amirite?

TFU called in all his allies he could, As I am one of three people in the AEON alliance with TFU, I came to help, Auman is my ally and TFU's. TFU is connected Isa. :p

TFU called in all his allies he could, As I am one of three people in the AEON alliance with TFU, I came to help, Auman is my ally and TFU's. TFU is connected Isa. :p

i like to see a post of that as we don't need all those fleets

The problem with the flinging of giant fireballs is that excessive use of magic often has unpleasant side effects on your local reality, like your mage being dragged kicking and screaming into another dimension by betentacled horrors :P

So while giant-fireball flinging is perfectly possible, it would also require the loss of quite a powerful mage.

Thaum Cannons are more practical ;)
Not to mention that planetary shields routinely handle asteroids (earth, fire, metal) and comets (fire, water). A fireball (pure fire) is just a yawn compared to that.

Sharlins, in canon, get more exponents to play with at the end of their hideously large firepower numbers. ISD=/=Sharlin in terms of firepower. See relavent threads concerning battles between the GE and GFFA for details.
Wanna bet? :D

There's still a few tricks my ISDs can do before the Sharlins take 'em out.

i like to see a post of that as we don't need all those fleets

I thought you didn't care what happened? And at least they're trying. Your doing precious little to save Constantine. And for the sake of good old John, I think we oughta give it a shot.

Any English mage deserves the same

Pah, judging things by their elements, CW? *throws Milla Jovovich at the shield*

I thought you didn't care what happened? And at least they're trying. Your doing precious little to save Constantine. And for the sake of good old John, I think we oughta give it a shot.

Any English mage deserves the same

Pah, judging things by their elements, CW? *throws Milla Jovovich at the shield*

just to the ships mostly The Humankind Abh ships and i'm moving the station to a safe place when the shields power around 35% and i still have that mine field

OOC: Exactly how do I sign the treaty and join this mighty alliance?

just to the ships mostly The Humankind Abh ships and i'm moving the station to a safe place when the shields power around 35% and i still have that mine field

I think thats something best left to Ri-an. In both consideration and execution.

Also, you'd better figure out how you're going to move it through at least 2 FTLi fields.

Well let me put it this way, Tannelorn is icly a fleet power and we have 1700 ships and 7.8 billion odd people, plus research, plus IC back up. Also my "retardedly" long posts actually contain all the minute details of what I am about to do, what my ships are doing etc etc. Your posts dont really convey ANY of the same meaning. For instance you had to tell us ooc that your ships are evading. Thats not just assumed my friend. When you jump in, then fire and jump out again..thats exactly what it looks like. A giant gank fleet coming in and firing all guns forward with absolutely no care for tactics. As for the capabilities of your ships, I accept them just fine, however your lack of beam armament makes your ships total junk when facing mine.

Thats because I almost eschew beam defense in favour of Kinetic and anti missile defense. Our beam defense is to not get hit if we can help it. That being said, I accept the 1k per 1bil as decent ships for those that dont research RP. You claim to have over 5k ships in your fleet and TSL is not five billion strong. This means compared to many, you have cardboard fleets. Just because you can say your ships have QUALITY in bold face, and do some kinetic calculations, doesnt mean they do. I have calculations for all my weapons, I did it for fun, but I wont put any of it in RP as it ruins it completely and takes away from the actual battle. It turns in to a numbers game, and thats not RP.

As you say its about writing, all I am asking is for you to actually convey an image of your ships as more then just floating cannon boats attacking in a great swarm. You dont convey in one post any more meaning then anyone else, thats the problem TSL. You convey far, far less. I cant find anything more then "my ship is terrifying rawr" as your example of its power. See the thing is maybe your ships superiority would be acceptable if you didnt have so many, or if you at least wrote something a little more meaty about them.

And solarin, it has nothing to do with your FTLi being able to stop Balmungs FTL. You simply dont have the sheer power to stop balmung at any farther then 30ls. Your 120 AU simply doesnt work the same way against it. Balmung has bypassed FTLi and been accepted as well, by simply overpowering your FTLi with the true blue black hole that powers it. Icly its a super ship, almost one of a kind, there were three..you dont see my building a Siegfried II do you?

Balmung appeared 20 ls away, approximately 18 seconds from engagement range. Its a post away Solarin league, thats the best any FTLi is going to get against Balmung with its FTLiC [Faster then light inhibitor canceller.] Remember, I dont use true blue FTli, I dont use tac jumps. I have two [count them, two] SD's that can by pass FTLi, and still cant Tac FTL. Its easily acceptable. Balmung and Fafnir cannot be stopped by FTLi, as they harness a true blue black hole for power. Its also the reason there are only two and plans for the true SD involve making it far larger and NOT equipping it with a black hole generator. They wont have that ability. Of course this doesnt even begin to mention my sub light jump drive, which isnt affected by FTLi, and acceptably so. However my standard DEM drives are effected by FTLi, which is why i could only send in Balmung and its Flotilla.

So if I am a bad RPer because I dont accept the infinite pown of the Solarin league then thats fine. However you now have a chance to kill Balmung, a ship that has done many nasty things Icly. Take it but I warn you, I wont accept the pown of Solarin ships until I see it. As far as I am concerned, Balmung is a great white shark bearing down on some tuna and minnows. I challenge you to change that perception. Believe me you have a good chance to kill Balmung, you have the numbers, you just need the right approach..because i sure wont be charging that thing down the throat of your forces.

Again you demonstrate ignorance. Just because I never USE them, doesn't mean they aren't THERE. You do not need the minutae that is included in your post. I only need to know how many ships are attacking, and a general idea what they're doing. From that I can create a reply with a counterattack and suitable defense.

Again you fail at "comprehension of numbers 101". ~1,500=/=5,000, which seems to be a number you pulled out of your ass at some point.

You may "accept" what you want. I accept that your research doesn't make your ships any shinier, or your shit any less odorous. If you actually pay attention to anything I say, instead of making up copious quantities of bull, we might actually remedy the second problem.

If you cannot find it, it is only because you haven't looked. Examples of my ships doing shit that allows me to state that they are badass and powerful are numerous.

So...you're saying that your ship has a black hole at its center. I'm not even going to address the mental defecation involved in that statement, barring a pause to note that it is surely of the most abhorrent variety.

You will not appear so close to my ships, because it's apparently beyond your grasp that "things don't work like that simply because Almighty Wank-God Tannelol says they do.". You're attempting to defeat an interdiction field 8 light hours in diameter, supported by 100 ships. Each of those one hundred ships has the power available to it to not only send shells through space at .6c in very large numbers, fire NPBCs, maneuver at several thousand Gees, power shields, sensors, tactical anylysis, an AI, and shore up an FTLi to such a degree that you'd not be breaking through without being subject to the same terms as everyone else. You are no better, your tech no shinier. You suffer the same limitations as everyone else. Not only is MY FTLi operational, but so is Abhs. And probably a few others pretty soon, what with Kanucks urging. All in all, your ability to not comprehend any simple concept continues to astound me.

I think you all oughta jump down off your high horses and actually work together. I don't see how any of your pertinant points even get recognised, through the hail of insults and venom.

Miehm, you're no better than anyone else here, in fact your arrogance and attitude render you far worse. Now if the lot of you can't fucking work together, then theres almost no point in doing this. You've buggered the RP to high heaven as it is, and now you butcher it in OOC rants over shit that barely even matters when compared to the story

For the love of god, get over yourselves and focus on what matters, instead of phallic fencing and competing to see whose heads the most ego inflated!

Dear lord, its a wonder that ANYONE here hasn't already left in absolute frustration generated by the moronic assertion that one person is absolutely right and the other absolutely wrong. And if you dare respond with any snidey witticism and arrogant doggeral, I swear I shall ignore every last one of you, despite my better judgement.

/rant

I think thats something best left to Ri-an. In both consideration and execution.

if he back in time more poeple keep showing up you may as well say good bye to it, ok i just more to people on it to safe

Probably because you don't understand the concept, and very few people care as to your comings and goings.

Also, you'd better figure out how you're going to move it through at least 2 FTLi fields.

it did not stop my ships or the fort when they left did it now

Not to mention that planetary shields routinely handle asteroids (earth, fire, metal) and comets (fire, water). A fireball (pure fire) is just a yawn compared to that.


Wanna bet? :D

There's still a few tricks my ISDs can do before the Sharlins take 'em out.

I am unsurprised by you having tricks up your sleeve. Were it otherwise I would, in fact, be disappointed.

@Isa: Attempting to teleport something through 2(maybe more) FTLi fields(yeah, teleportation and other ptp methods are covered) is contraindicated. Either the station explodes, and everyone kills you, or it doesn't work, you overtax your ships, and YOU explode.

it did not stop my ships or the fort when they left did it now

It kinda wasn't operational. Thus rendering your "It didn't stop me before" argument moot.

Not this again. Isa, it's going to stop you, regardless of what you assert. If everyone else has to abide by it, so do you. If we make exceptions, hundreds will jump from the woodwork.

FTLi is essentially a plot device to keep RP self-contained anyways. So you might as well play along.

I am unsurprised by you having tricks up your sleeve. Were it otherwise I would, in fact, be disappointed.

@Isa: Attempting to teleport something through 2(maybe more) FTLi fields(yeah, teleportation and other ptp methods are covered) is contraindicated. Either the station explodes, and everyone kills you, or it doesn't work, you overtax your ships, and YOU explode.

i dont teleport using standing tech

It kinda wasn't operational. Thus rendering your "It didn't stop me before" argument moot.

the same would be said about The Humankind Abh saying if you don't stop with all the OOClying , i do same thing about ICly

Not really. People really don't need good IC reasons to do anything. If "weapons of mass destruction" can get America into Iraq, Abh's word is sufficient for him to get to do whatever he wants to do.

I love politics.

No one has answered me. How can I join this alliance?

Not really. People really don't need good IC reasons to do anything. If "weapons of mass destruction" can get America into Iraq, Abh's word is sufficient for him to get to do whatever he wants to do.

I love politics.

no they did not like you helping me OOC so they pick if you keep it up i lay all the blame on you road and to that i would told them where to stick it

No one has answered me. How can I join this alliance?

its not a alliance it the hand full of Nations with money in a Station who don't like people putting holes in it
if what to put money into it wait till this is all over and speck to Ri-an

Says you.
I disagree. Magic allows you to bypass universal laws if you so choose.
Magic obeys its own laws, tapping into other planes is simply easier, more practical, safe, and reliable than flicking something across the galaxy at 20x the speed of light.

Magic can do as much as you want it to. What I assume you're talking about is the standards that II and NS has imposed on magic, but it isn't held down by SCIENCE!

From the looks of it, Jade uses magic instead of tech. You know, instead of saying commence warp Jade says CAST GO FASTER MODE and whatnot.

Unless I'm wrong.

Exactly. Magic =/= Science.

Im using a mix of both, my standard FTL technology is (essentially) a wormhole generator powered by magic. This (and most of my technology) is basically a steampunk/fantasy mix.
But, I suppose 'go faster mode' would be an option with a suffeciently powerful mage on board.

I question the abilities of even gods to generate the required magical energy that would be required to approach, let alone break the light speed barrier. Even if there were a spell that allowed one to physically travel in excess of c on the prime, you would still have to deal with the rather unpleasant side effects of relativistic speeds. Magic is simply a means to an end, just as high technology is. Whether I throw a fireball spell at someone or a white phosphorus grenade will not change the fact that the person is now on fire. Likewise, there should be little real difference between Cure Light Wounds and a medkit.

I think that the best way to show the differences between magic and technology is by watching the scene in the first episode of the second season of The Venture Brothers where Dr. Venture and Dr. Morpheus were having their little dickfencing session. Just because the techniques and methods are different does not mean that they do not have to work within the same overall limitations. After all, your fireball won't work under water any more than my white phosphorous grenade will. The light speed barrier shouldn't be any different.

For FTL, most players harness another plane of existance, usually a coexistant transient plane, that has different physical traits rather than claiming to exceed c on the prime. Whether it's hyperspace, subspace, the astral plane, or whatever, the physical laws of the plane are very different from those of the prime. Perhaps the light speed barrier on the planes that people use is much higher than the prime's, or perhaps it doesn't exist at all. Perhaps the plane is much smaller and it simply takes less travel to move between the points in question. Perhaps the plane is timeless. Either way, most people simply bypass the laws in the same way that organized crime bypasses taxes. Rather than fighting the laws in their home area, they find somewhere else where the laws are more favorable and get around the local laws.

BTW, if you do in fact have an arcane method for dealing with the problems of relativistic travel, I might have to send some more students and learn that technique.

(OOC: count me out of this shit, TSL is a pathetic excuse for an rper, I'm sick of it, let him rp alone if he wants to hes on my ignore list, let him be an arrogant all mightier than god him self by him self he has no place here, and for any one who thinks the same about me as he dose your ignored to I'm sick of dealing with idiots.)

I question the abilities of even gods to generate the required magical energy that would be required to approach, let alone break the light speed barrier. Even if there were a spell that allowed one to physically travel in excess of c on the prime, you would still have to deal with the rather unpleasant side effects of relativistic speeds. Magic is simply a means to an end, just as high technology is. Whether I throw a fireball spell at someone or a white phosphorus grenade will not change the fact that the person is now on fire. Likewise, there should be little real difference between Cure Light Wounds and a medkit.

I think that the best way to show the differences between magic and technology is by watching the scene in the first episode of the second season of The Venture Brothers where Dr. Venture and Dr. Morpheus were having their little dickfencing session. Just because the techniques and methods are different does not mean that they do not have to work within the same overall limitations. After all, your fireball won't work under water any more than my white phosphorous grenade will. The light speed barrier shouldn't be any different.

For FTL, most players harness another plane of existance, usually a coexistant transient plane, that has different physical traits rather than claiming to exceed c on the prime. Whether it's hyperspace, subspace, the astral plane, or whatever, the physical laws of the plane are very different from those of the prime. Perhaps the light speed barrier on the planes that people use is much higher than the prime's, or perhaps it doesn't exist at all. Perhaps the plane is much smaller and it simply takes less travel to move between the points in question. Perhaps the plane is timeless. Either way, most people simply bypass the laws in the same way that organized crime bypasses taxes. Rather than fighting the laws in their home area, they find somewhere else where the laws are more favorable and get around the local laws.

BTW, if you do in fact have an arcane method for dealing with the problems of relativistic travel, I might have to send some more students and learn that technique.

Perhaps Haste would be appropriate? To give one a greater amount of perceived time in which to act, thereby counterbalancing the perceived time loss due to relativistic speeds.

TFU's rather brash actions underscore my point that everyone has to calm the hell down.

Hello, I am interested in signing the treaty for this ITH, or finding some way to be part of it. When this all blows over, or I can arrive during the battle, take your pick, I would like to get started becoming part of this.

Perhaps Haste would be appropriate? To give one a greater amount of perceived time in which to act, thereby counterbalancing the perceived time loss due to relativistic speeds.

Well, haste generally doesn't last more than a minute or two, and isn't even remotely strong enough to have more than a trivial effect. The forces we're dealing with at relativistic speeds are a bit beyond all but the most advanced technology and magic, if not all.

Well, haste generally doesn't last more than a minute or two, and isn't even remotely strong enough to have more than a trivial effect. The forces we're dealing with at relativistic speeds are a bit beyond all but the most advanced technology and magic, if not all.
Oddly enough, I can see the spell effects of Haste added to a ship's engines for increased speed. There's more applications of magic than just character-based, you know. One has to think about these things and not simply dismiss it.

Oddly enough, I can see the spell effects of Haste added to a ship's engines for increased speed. There's more applications of magic than just character-based, you know. One has to think about these things and not simply dismiss it.

I actually intended it to counteract time dilation at cfrac. If it gives you a greater amount of time in which to operate(that extra move-action), then it should at least partly mitigate the effects. Something along the lines of Epic Mass Haste(say, gives a full extra turn, plus lasts for a few hours at the cost of rendering the mage pwned) should be enough to fix things.

Yeah. That's the kind of thing I'm thinking of. Now go back to your irregularly scheduled post! I'm out for the day.

Yeah. That's the kind of thing I'm thinking of. Now go back to your irregularly scheduled post! I'm out for the day.

Ok. Then we're saying the same thing differently. Works for me.

Please, the numerous side discussions do not belong on this Thread. Take them elsewhere so we can keep the topic on track.

Also, stop harrasing each other and act like adults. The bickering will be driving players away.

All players who wish to join the Station, please wait to see if there is anything left to join with in the first place. The player that owns the station is Ri-an. He is having computer problems and cannot sign on at the moment. He might not even know about the battle yet. Please be patient while things get sorted out and terrorist get hunted down (sorry TSL).

If you want, you can TG Ri-an so he knows you are interested.

Alright, I will do that Balrogga. Thanks for the info. Have fun hunting mercs! ^^

Alright, I will do that Balrogga. Thanks for the info. Have fun hunting mercs! ^^

I resent that.

I resent that.

We all still love you MM >_>

I resent that.

It's joke, nothing more.

We all still love you MM >_>

I'm mildly unsettled by that.

. Currently its getting through your interdiction field, because having one of such a huge size powered by ships would not be able to stop something like that. 30 ls is about as good as your getting from me. Despite how good DCN ships are Mini miehm, its still only 12.

Now as for calling me Tannelol, heh thats a new one..not. Try something new as I told the others and let me put it this way, I wasnt insulting you mini miehm. You are insulting me.


Accept that zomg someone else who has put alot of work in to their stuff can have one ship that can actually perform that stunt. I dont think anyone here but you doubts Balmung could do that. Especially considering you have an FTLi field that quite frankly has a range so much farther then any other FTLi known that its ridiculous. Also I am totally cooperative, when my opponent is as well.

Now as for cooperation, I am all for it Mini, as I said you have a chance to kill Balmung, stop bickering about FTLi not working when you claim to be immune to FTLi yourself, except yours. Balmung has an FTLiC Faster then light inhibitor Canceller. Considering that Balmung also cannot tactical FTL jump, this doesnt make it wanky. It makes it unique, it was designed to take on fleets, not directly but by jumping in and drive by attacking them with its grasers and Ubecht weapon [million round a minute C frac]. Now can we deal with this and keep the thread going. After all you wanted a massive battle, we are trying to give it to you. Remember I am still a post away from any possible conflict Mini miehm. More like three to be honest. I am here to help out TFU icly, its a totally uneven fight and we are just trying to turn it in to the Epic battle you wanted. For that you have to cooperate as much as we do with you. You make it hard though when you assume superiority over everyone else. For whatever reasons I gave, you still cant claim to have the most terrifying ships in this battle, it just wouldnt be fair..if that were the case what would be the point of alliances, TSL could fight them all toe to toe.

. Currently its getting through your interdiction field, because having one of such a huge size powered by ships would not be able to stop something like that. 30 ls is about as good as your getting from me. Despite how good DCN ships are Mini miehm, its still only 12.

Now as for calling me Tannelol, heh thats a new one..not. Try something new as I told the others and let me put it this way, I wasnt insulting you mini miehm. You are insulting me.


Accept that zomg someone else who has put alot of work in to their stuff can have one ship that can actually perform that stunt. I dont think anyone here but you doubts Balmung could do that. Especially considering you have an FTLi field that quite frankly has a range so much farther then any other FTLi known that its ridiculous. Also I am totally cooperative, when my opponent is as well.

Now as for cooperation, I am all for it Mini, as I said you have a chance to kill Balmung, stop bickering about FTLi not working when you claim to be immune to FTLi yourself, except yours. Balmung has an FTLiC Faster then light inhibitor Canceller. Considering that Balmung also cannot tactical FTL jump, this doesnt make it wanky. It makes it unique, it was designed to take on fleets, not directly but by jumping in and drive by attacking them with its grasers and Ubecht weapon [million round a minute C frac]. Now can we deal with this and keep the thread going. After all you wanted a massive battle, we are trying to give it to you. Remember I am still a post away from any possible conflict Mini miehm. More like three to be honest. I am here to help out TFU icly, its a totally uneven fight and we are just trying to turn it in to the Epic battle you wanted. For that you have to cooperate as much as we do with you. You make it hard though when you assume superiority over everyone else. For whatever reasons I gave, you still cant claim to have the most terrifying ships in this battle, it just wouldnt be fair..if that were the case what would be the point of alliances, TSL could fight them all toe to toe.

Actually you're about twenty million. The precipitous actions of your ally remove your reason to be here. We'll not be missing you. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.

Actually, Tannelorn does have secondary reasons that he can jump in, so TFU poofing doesn't necessarily mean Tann is gonna bugger off too.

TFU poofing? I take it he pulled out. Well I could stay I do have secondary reasons for being there, mainly the distress call from TFU and everyone else. However either way is fine I was here to help TFU, though secondarily we were here because well neutral ground should be respected, we heard a few transmissions and do have close contact with Balrogga and Godular in the cluster. After all we had our own neutral station attacked by the GPSN on mars, it left a sore spot and we would be happy to aid the station.

However I would ask the rest of the people here if its enough reason for me to stay, after all I am sure a few distress signals went out before the FTLi came on. Now as far as it goes my secondary ooc reason was yes, this looks to be an epic Battle. Mini has a very dangerous and large fleet at this station, I never doubted the fleet itself was powerful. The defenders are heavily outnumbered, quality or no, quantity of this size has a quality that definetly shows. As I said he has a chance to kill Balmung, any time i use a character, a named ship [like Balmung or the Eternal class] or anything like that, I take in to account I could lose it. Though likely crippling before she at least tries to disengage, heh.

So to the other here before the FTLi went up [and i handily accept being 20 million km away, its no big deal it just means i enter battle a little late, which could be bad for either side], should I stay with TFU gone? I had intended to enter the first draft of the Constantine thread with the Prefecture state of Tannelorn. [The DCFT is four nations, the Prefecture in the Cluster, The celestial republic in the north western milky way, the divine kingdom, currently Crusading with Chronosia in Charybdis and the Grahfsberg Federation, roving asteroid cities.] However RL often keeps me away at the time i wish to do it, you can ask anyone who plays with me <.< Work is teh suckz0rz.

Now I am done with ooc arguing on this thread. If you wish to continue, you have my MSN Mini, otherwise lets just write, if you dont want to write numbers I will go by my own distances which i will write, its not worth the ooc headache, a great battle is upon us and the ooc is killing it. The stage is set, the fires of battle are upon us. Lets do this thing.

TFU poofing? I take it he pulled out. Well I could stay I do have secondary reasons for being there, mainly the distress call from TFU and everyone else. However either way is fine I was here to help TFU, though secondarily we were here because well neutral ground should be respected, we heard a few transmissions and do have close contact with Balrogga and Godular in the cluster. After all we had our own neutral station attacked by the GPSN on mars, it left a sore spot and we would be happy to aid the station.

However I would ask the rest of the people here if its enough reason for me to stay, after all I am sure a few distress signals went out before the FTLi came on. Now as far as it goes my secondary ooc reason was yes, this looks to be an epic Battle. Mini has a very dangerous and large fleet at this station, I never doubted the fleet itself was powerful. The defenders are heavily outnumbered, quality or no, quantity of this size has a quality that definetly shows. As I said he has a chance to kill Balmung, any time i use a character, a named ship [like Balmung or the Eternal class] or anything like that, I take in to account I could lose it. Though likely crippling before she at least tries to disengage, heh.

So to the other here before the FTLi went up [and i handily accept being 20 million km away, its no big deal it just means i enter battle a little late, which could be bad for either side], should I stay with TFU gone? I had intended to enter the first draft of the Constantine thread with the Prefecture state of Tannelorn. [The DCFT is four nations, the Prefecture in the Cluster, The celestial republic in the north western milky way, the divine kingdom, currently Crusading with Chronosia in Charybdis and the Grahfsberg Federation, roving asteroid cities.] However RL often keeps me away at the time i wish to do it, you can ask anyone who plays with me <.< Work is teh suckz0rz.

Now I am done with ooc arguing on this thread. If you wish to continue, you have my MSN Mini, otherwise lets just write, if you dont want to write numbers I will go by my own distances which i will write, its not worth the ooc headache, a great battle is upon us and the ooc is killing it. The stage is set, the fires of battle are upon us. Lets do this thing.

You have no way of knowing of the battle. TFU ignored me. Pay attention to events around you. Distress calls have been going out on hard lines and secure nets. GFFA called their backup as GFFA forces, not as "EVERYONE HELP!" Bal put his out on the ESUS net, Kanucks FTL transmission is kinda locked down, and stuck to light speed propagation. You'll not be hearing anything for hours at minimum, unless you were already there. Since we established that you had to wank arriving, then you weren't there.

You and your brother tend to make epic battles into great steaming pilers of Phail. Your inability to cooperate(several of us are managing to thrash things out with a minimum of argument) is why I don't want you here. Unless you accept that your SD is no more powerful than anyone else's, and thus subject to the limitations that have been worked out amongst us(Godular and I even managed to reach an understanding, however tenuous), I really don't feel like dealing with you. You may consider my ships as good as yours, or yours as bad as mine. I care not which. Simply that you realize tacking a name on a ship doesn't make it special, and that tacking lots of shiney research just makes things have very shiney descriptions. If I call my toaster a device for the preparation of browned bread products, bagels and pastries, it's still a toaster. By that same reasoning, your ship, whatever you call it, is no better than its equivalent in my navy. Yes, this does give me pause when thinking about how to classify ISDs. We'll talk it over and see(leaning towards BC or CA, maybe CV, but I'll ask CW and Thrash before making a hard and fast judgment).

Thrashia, I'd appreciate agreement from you too. If we're all on the same page, we can do this much more easily. If we have to stop every ten minutes and argue perceived strength, it takes forever. Yes, this means that any mobile suits you use will be equivalent to spacedy fighters.

Actually Balmungs Ic power was recognised over mars with no argument whatsoever, and me and my brother did not turn that epic mars battle in to a pile of crap. It was several other players who jumped in to the fight and started making demands, and not compromising that ruined that fight for everyone. Tor Yvresse, GPSN, NYNJ and I all managed to come to agreements, it was others that simply could not. It was 100% ooc crap that ruined that last battle.

Balmung is signifigantly more powerful then your SD because I do not accept that the Solarin league is more powerful then all of ESUS. Balmung earned its power, I dont have to accept that your 5000 ship fleet has anything even remotely approaching Balmung. I dont have to feed your ego to continue this fight. Your fighting the creme de le creme of the Tannelornian space navy. Though you outnumber me, your ships are not on par, not by a long shot. This is an easy compromise to make. I only have 1700 total ships including 1000 frigates. As far as Balmungs reputation, pretty much everyone ICly thought that Balmung was going to blow up the planet singlehanded with its C frac weapon, let alone the massive grasers that were devouring ships. Also it took on two Allanea Management Buyour MKII's at the same time, trading blows and killing lighter vessels all the while. It earned ICLY its reputation. I am willing to compromise to certain extents, but not so far as to call Balmung junk.

I've read the Mars threads. Balmung's 'power' was never recognized. The OOC stuff was mostly out of public view so I can't say definitively what went down, only that you demanded 4:1 kill-to-loss ratios in your defeat, and no one else would have it.

TSL's ability to muster numerical superiority is indeed a factor in battle. It doesn't matter if your ship is the tankity equivalent of the Panther II, if it is outnumbered by the tankity equivalent of the T-32.

Less ships = better has its advantages, but also its own drawbacks; one of those being that you lose the initiative when it comes to maneuverability and total battlefield accuracy.

Also, I'll get up a post when I can, I had a tournament this weekend that took up all my time.

Also, Tannelorn, go away.

Actually Balmungs Ic power was recognised over mars with no argument whatsoever, and me and my brother did not turn that epic mars battle in to a pile of crap. It was several other players who jumped in to the fight and started making demands, and not compromising that ruined that fight for everyone. Tor Yvresse, GPSN, NYNJ and I all managed to come to agreements, it was others that simply could not. It was 100% ooc crap that ruined that last battle.

Balmung is signifigantly more powerful then your SD because I do not accept that the Solarin league is more powerful then all of ESUS. Balmung earned its power, I dont have to accept that your 5000 ship fleet has anything even remotely approaching Balmung. I dont have to feed your ego to continue this fight. Your fighting the creme de le creme of the Tannelornian space navy. Though you outnumber me, your ships are not on par, not by a long shot. This is an easy compromise to make. I only have 1700 total ships including 1000 frigates. As far as Balmungs reputation, pretty much everyone ICly thought that Balmung was going to blow up the planet singlehanded with its C frac weapon, let alone the massive grasers that were devouring ships. Also it took on two Allanea Management Buyour MKII's at the same time, trading blows and killing lighter vessels all the while. It earned ICLY its reputation. I am willing to compromise to certain extents, but not so far as to call Balmung junk.

which is where i see this heading to

Nah Isa, I have made my piece. There will be no IC compromise from me on Balmungs power. So therefore its time to write, arguments over. As Balrogga had said before, parity cannot be achieved when people have less despite having the same if not greater military capability then the other. I have 1700 star ships, my nation is 7.8 billion and has a military budget that would make TSL cry in jealousy. IC not withstanding, this alone makes my ships superior. This shouldnt be too hard for TSL to accept in this case. Since he insists on not doing any backstory or writing detail, then it must come down to stats, you chose it this way Mini, and that means Balmung a six trillion dollar star ship has three times the budget of your whole space navy, and the budget of your space navy maintaining it. Backstory is most important, writing is what RP is about. Now I am done with OOC arguing, start posting IC mini, you still have a massive numerical advantage, and sure you have quality, never said you didnt. Me, kanuckistan, balrogga, godular, Abh, Coreworlds and Auman simply have better.

And Ambrosia, if you want to bring that thread up bring up the fact it was going along cheerfully and just fine, fun for all involved till certain people showed up in it.

i like to know how can TSL keep the FTLi up and battle at the same time the amout of power need for both is more then my maths can work and why not Jam the dam thing if i can Jam Teleporting why not that

That was my point with Balmung to push past that FTLi field. Lets just put some IC writing up and write. Let the story flesh it out, the more we argue here the worse its going to be, so please just post IC mini, it doesnt matter anymore. If your a good RPer you can adapt to 12 more ships. After all..you could be facing a Kanuckistani battleplate...Balmung is not as scary as that, not by a long shot.

i like to know how can TSL keep the FTLi up and battle at the same time the amout of power need for both is more then my maths can work and why not Jam the dam thing if i can Jam Teleporting why not that

Because it's a plot device to prevent people appearing right on ones ass.

Also, in this case, Tannelorn is the "jumping in refusing to compromise" party. And we can look through the Mars threads for quotes that disprove his statements. I know for a fact that almost nothing he did was accepted by anyone, because every time we mention him on IRC, there's alot of derisive laughter, followed by mockery and a hefty dose of insulting. That's right Tannelorn, they really don't like you. It's not because you were better than they were, it's because you were annoying and supercilious. Play on everyones terms, or do not play at all. Hardly seems fair to require everyone BUT you to adhere to a standard of parity with the rest of us. Or is it wrong to make you lose the superiority you value so highly, and make you just another gamer? If you would simply accept the same conditions as everyone else, then we can all play together just fine, without worrying about you ganking all over us arbitrarily. Is it so hard for you to say that "my ship is really no better than anyone else's"?

Nah Isa, I have made my piece. There will be no IC compromise from me on Balmungs power. So therefore its time to write, arguments over. As Balrogga had said before, parity cannot be achieved when people have less despite having the same if not greater military capability then the other. I have 1700 star ships, my nation is 7.8 billion and has a military budget that would make TSL cry in jealousy. IC not withstanding, this alone makes my ships superior. This shouldnt be too hard for TSL to accept in this case. Since he insists on not doing any backstory or writing detail, then it must come down to stats, you chose it this way Mini, and that means Balmung a six trillion dollar star ship has three times the budget of your whole space navy, and the budget of your space navy maintaining it. Backstory is most important, writing is what RP is about. Now I am done with OOC arguing, start posting IC mini, you still have a massive numerical advantage, and sure you have quality, never said you didnt. Me, kanuckistan, balrogga, godular, Abh, Coreworlds and Auman simply have better.

And Ambrosia, if you want to bring that thread up bring up the fact it was going along cheerfully and just fine, fun for all involved till certain people showed up in it.

Actually, by agreement, Balrogga and Godular are both equal to my ships, not superior. Your perceptions simply make it look like they're better. I hope that Abh and CW will accept as well. It seems the easiest way to stop the arguing, if my ships are no better than anyone elses, you can't possibly claim I'm wanking under those circumstances.

Mini Miehm how would your ship stand in Battle with one from Battlefleet Gothic

Mini Miehm how would your ship stand in Battle with one from Battlefleet Gothic

Just fine. BFG is big. And...big. Things like "accuracy" or "rate of fire" are foreign to them. All in all,the ships are equal.

Just fine. BFG is big. And...big. Things like "accuracy" or "rate of fire" are foreign to them. All in all,the ships are equal.

still like to see a clip on Youtube with BGF ships fighting ST and SW ships and other races ships just to get a Image in my mind

Imperial vessels can be accurate when they want to, and keep up a nice rate of fire, admittedly not from the big guns. But I wouldn't dismiss them out of hand. They pack quite a punch, but they're more along the lines of the old battleships. Which is what I enjoy :P

Imperial vessels can be accurate when they want to, and keep up a nice rate of fire, admittedly not from the big guns. But I wouldn't dismiss them out of hand. They pack quite a punch, but they're more along the lines of the old battleships. Which is what I enjoy :P

i for one would not like to face that not after seeing what it did t a planet at the end of Fire warrior

Pah, that was just a crust breaking bombardment. You need something even more awesome, like virus bombs....Kills every single living thing on the world, then you just ignite the gases. BANG! Instant firestorm purge :D

LET THE GALAXY BURN!

Pah, that was just a crust breaking bombardment. You need something even more awesome, like virus bombs....Kills every single living thing on the world, then you just ignite the gases. BANG! Instant firestorm purge :D

LET THE GALAXY BURN!

oh you like this i know i should not but
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b_olFXpA6Nw

Nah Isa, I have made my piece. There will be no IC compromise from me on Balmungs power. So therefore its time to write, arguments over. As Balrogga had said before, parity cannot be achieved when people have less despite having the same if not greater military capability then the other. I have 1700 star ships, my nation is 7.8 billion and has a military budget that would make TSL cry in jealousy. IC not withstanding, this alone makes my ships superior. This shouldnt be too hard for TSL to accept in this case. Since he insists on not doing any backstory or writing detail, then it must come down to stats, you chose it this way Mini, and that means Balmung a six trillion dollar star ship has three times the budget of your whole space navy, and the budget of your space navy maintaining it. Backstory is most important, writing is what RP is about. Now I am done with OOC arguing, start posting IC mini, you still have a massive numerical advantage, and sure you have quality, never said you didnt. Me, kanuckistan, balrogga, godular, Abh, Coreworlds and Auman simply have better.

And Ambrosia, if you want to bring that thread up bring up the fact it was going along cheerfully and just fine, fun for all involved till certain people showed up in it.

This is why people call you Tannelol. You don't know when to shut up and mind your own business, and you think that a bunch of tl;dr posts in threads that nobody but you reads mean that you can do whatever you want.

While TSL's attack and even fleet is questionable, it isn't half as questionable as your even being there. For that matter, Auman shouldn't be there either. Though to be fair, Auman isn't claiming that the Cerberus is the most powerful ship ever like you're claiming with Balmung. If we really want to play the numbers game, I suppose that my light cruisers would annihilate Balmung. I have far more cash and population to play with and even fewer ships than you do, after all. Honestly, the only person that has ever recognised your superiority is yourself.

Really, just mind your own damned business and for once, know when to shut the hell up.

Quite frankly if TSL can post what he likes about his ships, I don't see why Tannelorn can't do the same with one singular ship. You might not like it, but everyone focusses on one thing, a nice hefty flagship, like a Super Dreadnought in MT. The fact is that Tannelorns put in the work developing it, building it up, TSL's just says his ships are pwnage and expects us to accept it, his whole believe structure is built around other peoples acceptance.

If you let him, he'd wank his tiny little ass off. My point is that Tannelorn has put in effort, and has a set ship, its stats never fluctuate without upgrade. TSL is forced to alter his ships power with every RP he goes into based on how people percieve him, just because he wants to be equal to the big boys. It's annoying and pathetic and really really desperate, but who would you trust more? The guy with the set in stone stats and ship design, or the guy who has to change everytime just so he can see what he can get away with.

Personally I think you're just playing off of bad feelings with Tannelorn, or maybe this is just your way But I'd recommend you let your own personal feelings be seperate from this. He doesn't need to "mind his own business", frankly he has more reason to be there than you. You've posted how much in this thread? And entered by saying that you were there to see why someone else was sticking their nose where they weren't want?

Pot.Kettle. You're just as bad.

Quite frankly if TSL can post what he likes about his ships, I don't see why Tannelorn can't do the same with one singular ship. You might not like it, but everyone focusses on one thing, a nice hefty flagship, like a Super Dreadnought in MT. The fact is that Tannelorns put in the work developing it, building it up, TSL's just says his ships are pwnage and expects us to accept it, his whole believe structure is built around other peoples acceptance.

If you let him, he'd wank his tiny little ass off. My point is that Tannelorn has put in effort, and has a set ship, its stats never fluctuate without upgrade. TSL is forced to alter his ships power with every RP he goes into based on how people percieve him, just because he wants to be equal to the big boys. It's annoying and pathetic and really really desperate, but who would you trust more? The guy with the set in stone stats and ship design, or the guy who has to change everytime just so he can see what he can get away with.

Personally I think you're just playing off of bad feelings with Tannelorn, or maybe this is just your way But I'd recommend you let your own personal feelings be seperate from this. He doesn't need to "mind his own business", frankly he has more reason to be there than you. You've posted how much in this thread? And entered by saying that you were there to see why someone else was sticking their nose where they weren't want?

Pot.Kettle. You're just as bad.

I never said that TSL's fleet wasn't cardboard. I'm sure that it could rightly be posted in /po/ (http://zip.4chan.org/po/imgboard.html). The difference is that Tannelorn is wanking his way past multiple FTLis, and TSL isn't.

I may be giving TSL the benefit of the doubt with most of his questionable things, but he is the attacker. He is the only one that planned for this battle. Everyone else should be caught quite off guard. Quite simply, while his fleet may be cardboard, he should have enough cardboard at the battle to have battlefield superiority. After all, I'd assume that some commander somewhere had planned this all in advance.

While I too am sticking my nose where it doesn't belong, but I'm doing it with an ore freighter that is going to get shot up and fragged, not with my military wang. There's quite a bit of difference.

It's still hypocritical.

TSL maybe have planned for this, but the fact is that it doesn't give him the right to make valid those more questionable things, nor does it stop us from pointing out his own bullshit. TFU's already flew off the handle because of this whole situation, and I'm beyond caring, but how any of you utter fools think you'll resolve the situation by sitting on pedastals sniping at each other with insults (Tannelol? That's just pathetic.)

If you're going to stick your nose in and critique everyone at least do it with dignity and humility, if you possess those qualities. You don't have to waltz in and be an utter prat to everyone. Amazingly many of us can offer opinions without resorting to you and TSL's level.

Everyone in this thread should calm down and work together, civilly. People are less inclined to take the (which may be totally valid) opinions of others if that other person laces his comments with personal insults and childish spite.

Y'know, I TGed Ri-an about getting into this...but maybe I'll wait until TSL/Mini takes his Ridelin...

Sheesh, calm down. Do you know what a game is, everyone?

Y'know, I TGed Ri-an about getting into this...but maybe I'll wait until TSL/Mini takes his Ridelin...

Sheesh, calm down. Do you know what a game is, everyone?

that may be some time the he gets back to you as something playing up at his end

Sheesh, calm down. Do you know what a game is, everyone?

DON'T YOU TELL ME TO CALM DOWN, I WILL DEFEAT YOU WITH MY TORPEDO OF PWNING RAWR.

(sobs)

DON'T YOU TELL ME TO CALM DOWN, I WILL DEFEAT YOU WITH MY TORPEDO OF PWNING RAWR.

(sobs)

ZOMG WILL POWN U!!111111

F'real.

Ri-an is having real BAD problems with his computer. Last time he posted was from a library and I hope finally getting back to this Thread will not give him a coronary.

It's still hypocritical.

TSL maybe have planned for this, but the fact is that it doesn't give him the right to make valid those more questionable things, nor does it stop us from pointing out his own bullshit. TFU's already flew off the handle because of this whole situation, and I'm beyond caring, but how any of you utter fools think you'll resolve the situation by sitting on pedastals sniping at each other with insults (Tannelol? That's just pathetic.)

If you're going to stick your nose in and critique everyone at least do it with dignity and humility, if you possess those qualities. You don't have to waltz in and be an utter prat to everyone. Amazingly many of us can offer opinions without resorting to you and TSL's level.

Everyone in this thread should calm down and work together, civilly. People are less inclined to take the (which may be totally valid) opinions of others if that other person laces his comments with personal insults and childish spite.

Honestly, TFU's crap was far worse than what TSL is doing. TFU is constantly reacting to things in this way, IC and OOC. It doesn't take much more than not letting him have his way to set him off, and I don't plan on giving him candy to prevent a tantrum.

So you'll pick up on the one mention of TFU rather than facing the rest. I'm serious. TSl should calm down solely because he's so embroiled. You have less reason to be here, less valid reasons than those already involved. To be fair it ought to only be those directly involved in the Constantine agreement.

To this end, I'll be suggesting to Ri-an (Once he returns enough to regain control of the situation) that anyone who continues to act without respect for his fellows, should be booted if he is sufficiently prunable from the story. I'm asking that you drop the petty name calling and insults. I'm asking that you act like a mature human being rather than a whining child.

If not, I'll see to it that everything in those gathered power shall be done to boot those who quite frankly are ruining the experience with their never-ending OOC bickering. This is a game, its supposed to be fun, it's also supposed to centre around creative writing. Technobabble is filler, nothing more. And frankly all the whinging over it is giving my limited involvement a headache.

My delegate is safe, the FTLi prevents me from directly intervening, my options are distinctly limited, but the way you and others are acting make me rather glad I'm not involved more.

According to the moderators, as the player that started this OOC Thread, I have the power to request anyone to leave. So far I have been trying to appeal to the players to play nice but my attempts have been ignored. I have asked that the bickering stop but I have been ignored. I have asked that everyone treat each other with respect but those requests have been ignored. I have asked to keet the topic specifically on relevent aspects of the IC Thread but again, you guessed it, I have been ignored.

I am sick and tired of this infantile behavior and I want it stopped right here and now. This is the last time I am asking before I start telling players to stop posting in MY Thread.

Take Chron's advice and grow up. Be the adult you want us to think you are. Act civil towards each other, even if you don't like them. Treat everyone with the same respect.

If you cannot follow those simple guidelines I will tell you to leave. I will ask for moderator assistance if you will not listen to this reasonable request. You will drop all differences starting with this post.

I am through playing around so take heed of all the good advice and learn for once how to get along.

Understood, Balrogga. When you have a chance, can I contact you at some point? I have been reading your threads on the ITH, and I have some questions about them.

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Bryn I didnt want to stat wank, I simply stated that if mini didnt want to go by writing or the stickies that everyone else goes by, then thats what he should go by, pure nation stats. I personally loathe stat wank and try to keep mine out of it. My nation is established Icly in its entirety, I dont rp ny my stats, I RP by the writing and back story I have established. Balmung has an established FTliC, its one of its unique points. Honestly though, it doesnt matter, I simply came here to help TFU because he was getting alot of flack ooc and the Ic wasnt much better. I had an interest in this thread before but work keeps me away from it. As far as it goes Bryn, Auman accepts Balmung quite handily, as him and I discussed this thread.

Other then to help TFU all I wanted was a decent battle. I have seen TSL give good fights when he has a good position, like I said he has. Therefore I wished to be involved with my most "cinematic" vessel. Its my hero ship basically. However I have had hard times RPing with mini in the past, and I am still trying to get past it, I hoped that we could come to some sort of agreement. Seeing this however, I am simply done. I put alot of work in to Balmung to be honest. I personally think this game is about writing, RP and respecting the hard work that others put in to it.

I will respect other methods if people simply wish to RP, after all thats what the stickies were for, thats what I was saying. Not once did I say we would Pown mini without a fight. I mean...its 3000 ships. The defenders have maybe...200 at most. I am upset because all that has been written is ooc, and I think i may just retcon my involvement for the sake of all, and have a relief fleet coming in, oh eight hours later to assist from the distress call. Sorry for making this worse guys.

Most of that 3,000 is gunships, Tannelorn. GUNSHIPS. Jesus, learn to read.

Also uh, if TFU is ignoring us because of X_reason, is there really a reason to fight anymore? I assume he has retconned his involvement, so whatever TSL was discussing as it pertained to 'peace' before I left for Gatlinburg can go through eh?

Most of that 3,000 is gunships, Tannelorn. GUNSHIPS. Jesus, learn to read.

Most being that more than 1/2 of them are gunships...however that means there are plus or minus 1499 cap ships. A disturbing number of vessels to be sure, and there for the soul purpose of destroying Constantine, or simply causing trouble.

Regardless of TSL actions here and whether he does in fact eventually leave, he has broken the rules and regulations that we signatory nations set down. Either we retaliate in kind, as the treaty would have us do, or we do not retaliate and the entire agreement is made void and we become nothing better than the British-French appeasers of the Munich Agreement. TSL must be punished. If not then this entire venture has been a waste and in vain. I do not believe that Ri-an would like that.

Comparing this to WWII is stupid. No need to add the word 'little' or 'kinda'; it's just plain stupid. I'd also like to know why no matter what is said or done on our side has been considered? Just because this incident does not maximize happiness does not suddenly mean everyone has the precognitive abilities oh God himself in determining who is or is not at fault here.

Alright, guys, seriously. Balrogga has said three or four times now to cut the bullcrap, and stop arguing. If you want to, have that insatiable urge to argue, then please do it in the thread he made, FT arguments. This thread is for discussing the Constantine/ITH only. And besides, the arguments over the current battle have gotten heated and are getting people angry as well as derailing the thread. So on behalf of Balrogga, would you please respect his wishes and stop the arguing, the bashing, and just doing what he has asked you not to do? Again, use the FT argument thread, please. There has been enough anger and spite to last us lifetimes, lets get this thread back on track. Thank you,

~Telros.

Note: Addressed to everyone, not just the previous posters, and no offense is meant, thank you.

(OOC: *sigh* listen I'm sorry I flew of the Handel like I did, it got so frustrating that I was getting dog piled on again for no reason just for trying to write, i think my efforts are useless in many places because people tend to have the same responses I don't know what I'm doing wrong, all I know is that every time i try my hardest to rp in a battle some one always wanks or some one always dog piles me I'm willing to ignore this and go on but it requires all parties here to act civil with out insult and to be willing to get off there stupid high horses and work this out like men not children, then again I'm not the best example of that in recent pasts, but I implore people to please heed my advice)

Bryn I didnt want to stat wank, I simply stated that if mini didnt want to go by writing or the stickies that everyone else goes by, then thats what he should go by, pure nation stats. I personally loathe stat wank and try to keep mine out of it. My nation is established Icly in its entirety, I dont rp ny my stats, I RP by the writing and back story I have established. Balmung has an established FTliC, its one of its unique points. Honestly though, it doesnt matter, I simply came here to help TFU because he was getting alot of flack ooc and the Ic wasnt much better. I had an interest in this thread before but work keeps me away from it. As far as it goes Bryn, Auman accepts Balmung quite handily, as him and I discussed this thread.

Other then to help TFU all I wanted was a decent battle. I have seen TSL give good fights when he has a good position, like I said he has. Therefore I wished to be involved with my most "cinematic" vessel. Its my hero ship basically. However I have had hard times RPing with mini in the past, and I am still trying to get past it, I hoped that we could come to some sort of agreement. Seeing this however, I am simply done. I put alot of work in to Balmung to be honest. I personally think this game is about writing, RP and respecting the hard work that others put in to it.

I will respect other methods if people simply wish to RP, after all thats what the stickies were for, thats what I was saying. Not once did I say we would Pown mini without a fight. I mean...its 3000 ships. The defenders have maybe...200 at most. I am upset because all that has been written is ooc, and I think i may just retcon my involvement for the sake of all, and have a relief fleet coming in, oh eight hours later to assist from the distress call. Sorry for making this worse guys.

There are 100~ actual fully FTL capable ships. There are 3,000~ single shot(been used) FTL gunships. Of those 100 ships, some 40 are Carriers(CVs or CVEs), the further majority are Destroyers, backed by a trio of Battleships. I see no overwhelming correlation of forces that cannot be countered with a bit of forethought. The fact that Godular has the equivalent to some 1,000 CAs should offset any advantage on my part quite nicely.

Thrashia, read before making statements such as the previous one. You seem to have missed every single point raised ever in this thread, or the IC one.

EDIT: It's also Lent. I've been working 12 hour days, so just let it be known that I am working on a post for everyone.

OK, That is the first time I have actually seen a rundown of your ship types. Thanks for the information. It clears up a bunch of questions. After you post my ships getting through the FTLi I will place their numbers and type here.

I am waiting patiently for your post. I know you have a lot to write. Perhaps you could get your allies to help.

OK, That is the first time I have actually seen a rundown of your ship types. Thanks for the information. It clears up a bunch of questions. After you post my ships getting through the FTLi I will place their numbers and type here.

I am waiting patiently for your post. I know you have a lot to write. Perhaps you could get your allies to help.

I assume that your ships made it through at approx 30 ls-45 range. Go crazy from there.

I posted too. It just doesn't want to agree with me on that fact.

Which of the previous nations are puppets of TSL? It would help to know so nobody assumes the wrong thing. Posting as the correct nation is also helpful.

The IC Thread still has apparently ignored your post.

just in case you missed Ri-an IC post the station goes up we all are dead

Sharona is Miehm

just in case you missed Ri-an IC post the station goes up we all are dead

No, he did not blow up the station. Reread the post.

No, he did not blow up the station. Reread the post.

no you read what i said wrong

OOC: I'm back. I don't think I've quite got everything, but I am assuming Isa or someone at least initiated shield. I am going to assume someone put them up, and take over the station stuff itself, as well as my ships. Lotus knows what's up and will post, soon?

IC: An errant shot got through the ships, and the station defences, and struck solidly on the station core.

This was a real shame too, because that was where the delicatly balanced Tajitu engine was.

The Gravity field of the local area, up to as far as an entire Light year and a half out, shifted towards the station, then it all reversed, and everything was repulsed from the station. It shifted back towards the station. It continued on like this, in a five second cycle.

"For the love of Life stop fighting or you'll kill us all!" A frightened shout came from the station bands. If the engine collpased, it would collapse into two singularities, and the stronger one would destroy the other, and everything else nearby.

If the station was destroyed, the message at the end of the post could not have been sent.

If the station was destroyed, the message at the end of the post could not have been sent.

where did i say he did do that you still reading what i said wrong i said the station goes up we all are dead now if they read what Ri-an posted they know what i mean
and how do quote like that

Sorry about the misunderstanding.

I opened up both Threads and quoted the IC Thread post and then copied the entire thing and pasted it into this one.




Now to post my ship numbers as promised earlier.


I sent the Third Imperial Fleet under the command of Admiral Ga'Ton.

The fleet consists of:

60 Frigates (60meters)
32 Destroyers (120 meters)
32 Cruisers (150 meters)
16 battleships (180 meters)

8 carriers (see below)
5 Intruder (1000 meters)
2 Avatar (3000 meters)
1 Deity (5000 meters)

The Deity Carrier is The Ubek, the command vessel of the fleet.

All the Carriers have remained within T Space while the Avatars were sent through to Real Space. I am employing something I have called the Avatar System where the ships generated a drone version of themselves and am using that to combat the enemy. This makes my presence in the battle much less powerful and if an Avatar Vessel (as opposed to an Avatar Carrier, keep the two separate please) is destroyed it affects the parent vessel to an extent where it needs to be repaired or it will be unable to be used. I have had this system for quite some time and have used it in the past and it is the reason other nations think I use a drone military.

...180m battleships? <_<

Space Battleship Texas? >_>

Yep, I know what I am doing.

Sorry about the misunderstanding.

I opened up both Threads and quoted the IC Thread post and then copied the entire thing and pasted it into this one

thats ok an thanks ,oh if he did blow it up he post one fine post about

how what i have now sent

ten MKXX Firebee Drones unify inside the FTLi bubbles they are programed to do hit and run attacks on the Merc ships with there 30 mm caliber gatling guns

and what they look like
http://www.fas.org/irp/program/collect/firebee-2_8801.gif

Abh, Jolt's acting funky, and I can't actually read page 20, as it is sometimes wont to do, so be aware that you're not being ignored.

Seems to be just a slight issue to point out: The Godulans started a relatively significant distance away from the fight, so their salvo would take at least a minute to arrive. As I was operating under the assumption that we were progressing under some kind of time increment, I was expecting a couple post/responses from Miehm before the first Straight Arrow strike arrives. We've had one so far, but for the most part the salvo is still a long ways away, so CW doesn't need to make his comment about the Straight Arrows passing through his fleet YET... because that'd happen in the same post that Miehm would get hit.

Of course, Miehm is also moving to avoid the strike, so they might not even pass through the Coredian fleet at all.

Kanuck, I'm arrayed in such a manner that "from the side" would be extremely difficult. You basically have to be INSIDE my formation to shoot at me. And when I miss and hit the station, killing everyone... I'm sure you can all see why surrender is a really good idea.

Kanuck, I'm arrayed in such a manner that "from the side" would be extremely difficult. You basically have to be INSIDE my formation to shoot at me. And when I miss and hit the station, killing everyone... I'm sure you can all see why surrender is a really good idea.

nice try, last look you are out numbered

I think he's saying that he's got the station surrounded, so if you're 'between' him and the station, and he shoots at you, he'll still hit the station on any misses he incurs...

But that is contradicted by the fact that several posts beforehand, he'd tacjumped his fleet elsewhere and as far as I understand presents a specific front not around, but somewhere nearby the station. The concept of surrounding the station is also questioned by the fact that he's trying to dodge the Slaughterstars' Straight Arrows, which would be relatively difficult if one is rooted around a specific spot.

Would it be possible to clarify the exact positioning/orientation of the Solarin fleet? It seems to be a necessary consideration.

I think he's saying that he's got the station surrounded, so if you're 'between' him and the station, and he shoots at you, he'll still hit the station on any misses he incurs...

But that is contradicted by the fact that several posts beforehand, he'd tacjumped his fleet elsewhere and as far as I understand presents a specific front not around, but somewhere nearby the station. The concept of surrounding the station is also questioned by the fact that he's trying to dodge the Slaughterstars' Straight Arrows, which would be relatively difficult if one is rooted around a specific spot.

Would it be possible to clarify the exact positioning/orientation of the Solarin fleet? It seems to be a necessary consideration.

an how did it past the mine field

Putting a minefield around a station does not stop bullets and blasterbolts from being shot at the station itself.

The Terrorists cannot make Tac Jumps after their own FTLi came online, as well as Ahb and Kanuckistan activating theirs. There might be others I cannot remember but the multiple FTLi feilds would prevent anyone from Tac Jumping of any sort.

Replicator mine field with shields to make it hard to take them out

Doesn't matter, Isa. Mines are better used against ships. It is counterproductive to put a minefield around a station when the only thing going through the minefield is gonna be ordinance. TSL has little to no inclination of boarding the station until everybody has surrendered, which would mean that you have deactivated the mines. That being said, he'd be faster to blow the station up than board it under combat conditions.

I.E. your mines are not part of any tactical consideration at the present time. Their effect on any combat interaction will be minimal at best and nil at worst.

what have to hit the mine shields to past which are up

What?

What?

ok i saw what happen something my pc dose sometime it deletes letters if i go back and add more or fix something

the mines shields are up the ordinance be hitting the shields
,so only a small number of it get by when a mine knock out ,that's till a new one made in that spot

You CANNOT put up a minefield so thick that not even ordinance can't get through. It would be both pointless and counterproductive.

You CANNOT put up a minefield so thick that not even ordinance can't get through. It would be both pointless and counterproductive.

like you said forget for now ,like you all said so he's in two place at the same time

Luckily enough ordinance would likely break the mine shields. Also, what the hell is the point of mine shields if solid objects don't trigger them? Mines are meant to explode, not be a space wall. Shields on mines is quite frankly retarded

Luckily enough ordinance would likely break the mine shields. Also, what the hell is the point of mine shields if solid objects don't trigger them? Mines are meant to explode, not be a space wall. Shields on mines is quite frankly retarded

I just got the image of exploding soccer. Like, people kicking the mines and the shields keep them from exploding and then they explode and everybody dies.

Iunno.

OOC: I'm not responding until Ri-an dose

also for the record my fleet consist of:
15 Destroyers
15 cruisers
20 Frigates
10 Heavy battle carriers
and 5 Dreadnoughts
i don't count fighters in my fleet but if you want to know fighter numbers they would be around : 4000 fighter craft, and 2000 micro corvettes.

and mine shields can be taken care of easily using gravimetric)

He responded a couple days ago.

Alright TFU, I posted.

Yay! Space Dragons FTW! :D

Yay! Space Dragons FTW! :D

I knew someone would like that.

Luckily enough ordinance would likely break the mine shields. Also, what the hell is the point of mine shields if solid objects don't trigger them? Mines are meant to explode, not be a space wall. Shields on mines is quite frankly retarded

so they take out ships not bloody ordinance
by plcaing a AI in it you make it in to a Smart mine they are real you know

Of course they are...

In which case a simple mine becomes an AI guided bomb complete with on and off shields. Seems mighty expensive for a simple bomb. Again, it simply becomes a case of firing ordinance till your little shields break. I doubt your really going to commit too powerful a shield to these mines.

What if we jam a signal and keep them on? Then they're useless!

Of course they are...

In which case a simple mine becomes an AI guided bomb complete with on and off shields. Seems mighty expensive for a simple bomb. Again, it simply becomes a case of firing ordinance till your little shields break. I doubt your really going to commit too powerful a shield to these mines.

What if we jam a signal and keep them on? Then they're useless!

to a guided bomb they need to drop from a plane or have some way of moving from there spot which they dont have

if they where moving mines i have layed them close to TSL fleet along weapons platform mines

as you lot still talking to one another i guess no ones jamming


an have we work where his ships are as here he sounds like he has the station surrounded and as Godular pointed out he tacjumped his fleet elsewhere in the main thread

I think everyone needs to post where they are to banish the confusion.

My forces are traveling at .5C and is approximately 30 seconds from his position, wherever that is.

the Drones are attacking TSL ships where they are

I would also like to point out this battle will not last very long as it is headed and my forces will not be tied up beyond the IC Day it occurrs. If that is the goal of the intrusion into the Thread you can consider it as a failed action.