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The Ministry of Defence has announced that the Liberation Forces of the People's Republic of Iragia Maritime Command are in need of new, heavier bluewater capable vessels as it seeks to expand into the international community and build trade relations with other nations. As part of this project, it has been determined to procure a number of vessels larger and more powerful than the present patrol ships and aged corvettes that are in service.

Specifically, the navy is seeking six multi-role frigates with effective ASW capabilties to perform patrol, escort, and to serve as the navy's primary heavy combatant. The navy would also like to maintain options for a further two vessels, and spare parts and maintenance support for the projected service life, which should be a minimum of thiry years.

In addition to the frigates, the navy would like a pair of destroyers to serve as area air defence ships with command capabilities should they be required to take charge of task groups.

Due to our developing economy, the navy is not able to afford or effectively use the latest state of the art systems known to be in use with many more economically powerful nations, and this should be kept in mind for any offers.

While cost will be considered, it is not an overriding factor, and therefore no price limit or ranges will be given.

The Republican Navy might be able to assist your fleet's needs. Our latest fleet upgrades have put 13 new frigates into our hands. The old ones stil have lots of life in them, though and would make a welcome addition to your navy.

The Peltast class frigates were commissioned in 1973 in the height of the Cold War and were built with an emphasis on ASW work.

Displacement: 4,770 tons
Length: 134.1 m
Beam: 16.4 m
Draught: 4.9 m
Propulsion and power: Hartmore Motorworks Engine
2 turbines (47,500 shp)
1 diesel (8,800 shp)
Speed: 29+ knots
Range: 9,500 nautical miles
Complement: 225
Armament: 8 x MK 141 Harpoon SSM
16 x Avenger SAM/SSM
1 x Bofors SAK 57 mm
1 x Phalanx CIWS (Block 1)
8 x M2 Browning machine guns
4 x MK 32 torpedo launchers
Sensors: Air/Surface Search: Serdon Sea Sprite HC 150 (G band)
Long Range Air Search: Marton SSD/OB3 (C/D band)
Fire Control: Signaal SPG-503 STIR 1.8 (K/I band)
Active Sonar: AN/SQS-510 Hull-mounted variable depth
Passive Sonar: AN/SQR-501 CANTASS Passive towed array
Aircraft complement: 1 x Ka-27 helicopter

The ships have a projected 30+ years left ahead of them if maintained properly. The ships were built by the Stormhammer-Larsson Shipworks in Iron Rapids who pride themselves on ruggedness and durability. Our flagship, the RNS Tartarus was built by the firm in 1942 and still sees active service even today.

The asking price is 12.5 million dollars per vessel. You won't be dissapointed.

Frank Watts
Minister of Defence
Strength in Brotherhood

[OOC: May I offer you the Portland Iron Works (http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=457777)...]

We in the Armed Republic of Delkor are currently working to build our first true navy. One of our designs fits your needs perfectly. The Isengard (http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/systems/ship/images/cg-12-h82722k.jpg)-class ship was created to protect our Chadek (http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h52/nx9100/Chadek-classPatrolCarrier-1.jpg)-class carriers from enemy aircraft. It is equiped with 4 twin-arm missile launchers (2 bow / 2 aft) for SAM missiles. Secondary weapons are 2 torpedo tubes and a twin 5-in gun turret. Also, the large bridge structure includes large command-control facilities, designed for the role of fleet flagship. Other specs are below:
Displacement (std) 17200
Displacement (full) 18900
Length 674'
Beam 71'
Draft 33.5'
Powerplant Steam turbines, 4 x 615psi boilers
Horsepower 120000
Screws 4
Speed 32
Armor 4-6 inch belt, 2.5 inch deck

While we have only built one of these ships, we are willing to produce more for your navy. Price is negotiable.
Thank you.

To: Ironwell
From: Ministry of Defence Procurement Office
Subject: Frigates
Message:
We would like to procure eight of these vessels, the money: $100,000,000 million USD is ready to be wired upon confirmation.

To: Delkor
From: Ministry of Defence Procurement Office
Subject: Destroyers
Message:
Your design seems to fit our needs, but we need a rough price figure before we can purchase it.

To: Iragia
Ministry of Defence Procurement Office
Subject: Destroyers
Message:
We would ask for $10 million per ship. Construction can begin right away with a rate of 2 ships every 14 months.

At this time our Republic is forced to withdraw our tender for the Peltast class frigates. We have found many of your government's latest decisions quite distressing. At the request of the Armed Services Oversight Committee we are unable to proceed forward at this time.

To: Iragia
Ministry of Defence Procurement Office
Subject: Destroyers
Message:
We would ask for $10 million per ship. Construction can begin right away with a rate of 2 ships every 14 months.

Is the concrete at least reinforced?

Is the concrete at least reinforced?

ooc: what do you mean?

OOC: Im designing a new ship, when Im done, I can make it avaliable to you via a third party. Its a Fast Attack Missile Boat (also equipped with SAMs)

OOC (2Delkor):

I mean that it would cost more than $10M to build 18,000 ton displacement barges out of reinforced concrete, let alone steel. Not even mentioning real ships, where it would be $2 billion or so.

OOC (2Delkor):

I mean that it would cost more than $10M to build 18,000 ton displacement barges out of reinforced concrete, let alone steel. Not even mentioning real ships, where it would be $2 billion or so.

OOC:
I was thinking nearly the same thing.

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OOC:

I think you've missed three "0"s in price of Vladimir class, and one zero in several ships.

As a rule of thumb, cost for a bit over medium quality frigate, destroyer or cruiser is $80,000..$110,000 per tonne. Carrier, $70,000-$90,000, battleship $120,000-$180,000. Conventional submarine, about $150,000/tonne submerged, nuclear, $200,000-$300,000 (single or double hull, steel). It may range between 50% and 150% of that, depending on quality, 50% being really crappy or obsolete ships, 150% high quality.

I suggest some recalculation. These costs are for reference (RL ships), but basically dropping them means dropping quality.