NationStates Jolt Archive

At the Imperial French Palace were the our two nations will be meeting.

As promised and confirmed, Crown Prince Aziz Abd as Salah al Malik ibn Mahmud Al Khalifa-Misri had made his way to arrive in Paris, for the settlement of non-aggression and mutual defense discussions, hopefully to find a common ground from which a new stability can be introduced to settle the crises in the Mediterranean. The Emir sent his son with notes of principle - among these, that the stability of the RSA is maintained and that the Emirate makes no intended effort to use forceful diplomacy except as a last resort [in which case, it was explained that these talks could not become hostile, and hence no need at all for hostility].

Crown Prince Aziz Abd as Salah al Malik ibn Mahmud Al Khalifa-Misri we welcome you that your flight to our nation was not to hard on you? We would like to open our nation to your people. We would also like to open talks with a formal dinner between our two people. Sky Marshal MacKenzie would like to welcome you on behalf of the United Citizen's Federation to our beloved nation. We will also have you people guarded by units of the French Imperial Guard.

Crown Prince Aziz offers his reply to the generous offers:

"My flight was just fine, a little rocky at first, but they are always like that anyway. I appreciate the cover and protection granted by your forces. However, I am here to discuss what really matters to me, so I hope that we can move to that as soon as possible. Abu Aziz [the Emir - literally "father of Aziz"] would like to know where we can take our future relations in as much detail as possible."

Crown Prince Aziz offers his reply to the generous offers:

"My flight was just fine, a little rocky at first, but they are always like that anyway. I appreciate the cover and protection granted by your forces. However, I am here to discuss what really matters to me, so I hope that we can move to that as soon as possible. Abu Aziz [the Emir - literally "father of Aziz"] would like to know where we can take our future relations in as much detail as possible."

Well you Highness we would like to talk about our matural defence over our two nations. I think that we should bring an end of the conflict in our part of the world because I have a major threat to my boarder by Vineyard and I would like that threat to be elimited because it is going to involve my military being attacked do to the military alliance agreements with my partners in EATO. I would also like to talk about joining the Red Sea Alliance do to my involvement with your nation and Kingdom of Kapperburg too. I think that we would bring a great peace to the world if we two alliances work together. That is what my Government would like to happen your Highness.

Crown Prince Aziz offers his reply to the generous offers:

"My flight was just fine, a little rocky at first, but they are always like that anyway. I appreciate the cover and protection granted by your forces. However, I am here to discuss what really matters to me, so I hope that we can move to that as soon as possible. Abu Aziz [the Emir - literally "father of Aziz"] would like to know where we can take our future relations in as much detail as possible."

Well you Highness we would like to talk about our matural defence over our two nations. I think that we should bring an end of the conflict in our part of the world because I have a major threat to my boarder by Vineyard and I would like that threat to be elimited because it is going to involve my military being attacked do to the military alliance agreements with my partners in EATO. I would also like to talk about joining the Red Sea Alliance do to my involvement with your nation and Kingdom of Kapperburg too. I think that we would bring a great peace to the world if we two alliances work together. That is what my Government would like to happen your Highness.

The Red Sea Alliance is primarily an alliance of geographic proportions, but seeing as the Red Sea is only so small, we have expanded it recently to incorporate those neighboring states whose interests include the peace and stability of the Middle East and its proximities. If the UCF is interested in this, and likewise seeks an active role in its defense, I can secure a discussion in the RSA to see if we can expand our alliance to include your domain. However, we must be wary at the moment, mostly because of superficial relations between your country and the conflict. However, as yours are not involved in the conflict itself, the Emirate can try to do what it can to secure the peace between our two states at the moment.

As for a mutual defense pact, that would be in our best interests. With the Emirate and UCF together in parts, we would be able to withstand reasonable threats to both our sovereign rights. And this is where we should make our discussion.

[ooc: this is Aziz talking...]

::to Aziz::

I understand that we would not be allow into the RSA right away because we don't exactly are not in the Red Sea area. We are just hoping to strenghting our relationships with the world as awhole.

As for the defense pact between our two nations should be that we be able to exchange military units as awhole to train with each others respected military branch of service. That if either one of us comes under attack that we should moblize nesseary military response to help each other. I also think that we should build military bases in each others nations to share both personel and as well as military R & D too. I think that we should share intelligence with each other too. I think that we should set up a joint military operations center in either in your nation or in my nation? These are my thoughts on the military defense pact between our two nation.

I also think that I am going to start to moblize my military because of the threat of the Empire of Vineyard is making towards our nation and my ally the Republic of United Nations. The threat from the Empire of Vineyard is becoming to great of a threat for our intrest are for your Highness. We are only doing this because of the defense and not to make a war like stance.

I don't speak for my father, but the truth is I'm trying to convince him to mobilize the Emirate armed forces in preparation for an attack. The Emirate is actually quite vulnerable, only because the Emir leaves it that way, and despite this, he makes adamant declarations, much like the exhortations of a wind without force upon tree firmly rooted in the ground - it might wave a few branches, but it won't do much. I've tried convincing him to mobilize the forces - at least in preparation to address these declarations that he has made, and the only thing he mobilizes is the navy, to guard and block the Persian Gulf and Straits of Aden from non-RSA military vessels.

I would encourage to be prepared, not to make an attack however. There will perhaps come a time when the enemy realize that you are a stumbling block, and with your armed forces unprepared, and theirs in the clear superior position, they may preempt an attack without regard to your neutrality. Therefore, to defend your neutrality, you must mobilize in due respect to protect your sovereignty - history is littered with examples of such. The former United States in both World Wars was caught unprepared because they had not mobilized their forces. The former Soviet Union suffered the same against Germany. Even recently, the Emirate Red Sea Fleet was nearly annihilated by Sistani aircraft during the Red Sea War. History proves that prudence is the best virtue.

As to our proposed mutual defense pact, I do not see it as far off from the times past when we sent military officers to France as part of an exchange program in the days before the war with Sistan. We can continue and revive such a program indeed and to the benefit of both of our countries. Our own armed forces have had much experience in extended combat, and can impart those experiences to your forces, while your troops are considerably more well-equipped, particularly the air force and navy - and we can learn of new technologies. In addition, the Emirate's new shipyards in Dubai have expanded our capacity to build large vessels and crafts; we can work out deals for the construction of new military vessels from there - at least of those that are acceptable to share.

However, we don't want to extend actual units into your territory, as we would not want you to do with us, as it is costly to manage it all. We perhaps could arrange for a monetary exchange, but that complicates the matter. What we could agree upon is a simpler grant of right of passage between our two states - where forces of your country may peacefully - and with sufficient knowledge of their purpose - enter our lands for movements, exercises, and supply. It would work out more easily than a protracted establishment of military installations.

::to Aziz::

We are going to moblizition of our military to begain our national defense from the Empire of Vineyard aggeration towards our allies. We have troops from RUN under our military operational command on the boarder with the Empire. We are going to be getting our forces mobilized with in the week. We are also going to put forces in the Empire of Japan, Republic of South Korea and our other holdings to be fully operationial by the mid of next months. We are going to be asking that our allies that are not involved in the conflict to take understanding that they might be under threat to being attacked by the Empire of Vineyard and its allies in this conflict. We also like all the ideas that you have come up with. We would like to extand our military forces to any help that your nation would like to have from our nation's military. I would like to allow you the plans for the Aircraft Carrier Charles de Gaulle and many other military equipment that we use. We are also in the process of bring the civilian government of the British Islands and military back up to full standing and should be within the next week because we have worked out agreements to have all military and civilian staff to stay in position and that we are going to make the British Military Personnel as Military Governors until a complete Civilian Government can be brought up to a full operations. They will be part of the UCF as a Permant member of the Governing Body of the UCF with the Current Royal member siting on the Governing Council. That is my thoughts on the idea. As for exchanging military units I didn't think of the problem with money, but you did bring up a good idea. Thank you very much.

If the UCF requires any assistance in assimilating the British population, the Emirate has countless advisors experienced in the matter, with our continuing projects to modernize and integrate the protectorates in Abyssinia and Chad. With our grants of local limited autonomy, both Abyssinia and Chad have sprouted in their cooperation with the Emirate. We have also managed to arrange locally commanded defense units, integrated into the central chain of command. Our advisors have also worked to bring standard governmennt services to the local regions, to make our state more accessible to our people, wherever they are. But I cannot promise much in our help, except that our advisors can help ease the assimilation of the British people, and they may prove to be more useful than what I suggest them to be.

But as for the other details, I'd be glad to arrange the purchase of the drafts and plans for the Charles de Gaulle Carrier, as well as some other conventional naval crafts - but that can be arranged at another time; I am mostly glad to see your government willing to cooperate in this matter. Perhaps, we can arrange for a joint construction of future vessels, using the combined manpower and intelligence of our countries to produce better crafts and equipment.

Yet, I feel as though we are missing something very important in these discussions, but I cannot quite say what it is.

[ooc: this is going nicely; anything else to add?]

[ooc: is this still going on?]

::to Aziz::

The United Citizen's Federation would like to take what help we could get with the British population. We are at the moment moving any political prisoners out of the British country and into UCF to help find out way they are being detained and what charges. If we find out that they are not harmful to the UCF we are going to release them and give them some type of repayment for there time in prison. That is are plans for the time be with the UCF.

We would like to see what you have put together for our joint defense pact. Anything that you put in there we will be fine with our government.

We will gladly supply the aid. I am personally glad to see your government taking steps to defend itself - I can only hope that we can convince my father's government to do the same.

[ooc: sry, RL complicates my reply to this...]

We will gladly supply the aid. I am personally glad to see your government taking steps to defend itself - I can only hope that we can convince my father's government to do the same.

[ooc: sry, RL complicates my reply to this...]

Your Highness, I have to report to you that with the fall of the Government of Democratic People's Republic of Korea that we have moved in troops from the 1st ROK Army and other units from the rest of the UCF. It should not take long before we have the country under control. We are happy to inform you of this undertaking.

Your Highness, I have to report to you that with the fall of the Government of Democratic People's Republic of Korea that we have moved in troops from the 1st ROK Army and other units from the rest of the UCF. It should not take long before we have the country under control. We are happy to inform you of this undertaking.

"I can only hope that your government is better able to care for the people in the territory. But let us consider for the moment - is there anything else that we can do here? We have agreed to non-aggression, mutual defense, and even right of passage for both of our countries. Is there anything else that we can do at the moment?"

"I can only hope that your government is better able to care for the people in the territory. But let us consider for the moment - is there anything else that we can do here? We have agreed to non-aggression, mutual defense, and even right of passage for both of our countries. Is there anything else that we can do at the moment?"

"Your Highness if you would like we could talk about doing some military training with our two naval forces in the Med? We would like to know if we could set up some type of trading pact set up too for our two nations. We could trade space equipment for your new Space Agency. We are more then willing to help your nation out in anyway possible that we could. Well the Government of United Citizen's Federation would be willing to sign off on the treaty with our two nations."

"Your Highness if you would like we could talk about doing some military training with our two naval forces in the Med? We would like to know if we could set up some type of trading pact set up too for our two nations. We could trade space equipment for your new Space Agency. We are more then willing to help your nation out in anyway possible that we could. Well the Government of United Citizen's Federation would be willing to sign off on the treaty with our two nations."

"Unfortunately, with the current conflict in the Mediterranean crisis looming between one of our allies and one of yours - an otherwise mutual friend between our two states - the Emirate cannot commit to naval exercises, especially in the Mediterranean. It is furthermore in our interest to preserve the existing naval patrols, to prevent our neutrality from being violated by surreptitious infringements from all parties in the conflict. As for a trading pact, we can arrange some sort of deal. We are uncertain as to the needs and requirements of special resources, but we can procure the trade of materials offered by the Emirate and the UCF. Your offer for space equipment is well placed, and I have relayed this revelation to my father. I am certain that he will accept this proposal, as it is likely to promote the burgeoning cooperation between our two states.

"But before we sign this treaty, I would like to specifically about making a trade for naval designs for construction, citing an offer that you have made earlier concerning plans and drafts for naval vessels. It is not entirely crucial, but my father has decided that if possible, we should procure specific rights as soon as possible, so as to set for dock specialization. After all, building a ship on paper is much different than building it in a dock. In sum, I would like to offer the following deal:

"For the drafts and plans for the Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier, we wish to arrange the payment of $100bil. We wish also secure a number of specialists from France who are specialized in its construction - with a dowry of $100,000 per specialist per year to arrive, and convenience of $50,000 paid to your government for their procurement.

"For the drafts and plans for the La Fayette class Frigate, we wish to offer $50bil, and the same sort of arrangement for specialists for its construction as before.

"Hmm... the list was shorter than I had expected. But I suppose Abu (father) did not wish to overextend the generosity. But in case, the Emirate is willing to expend $150 bil, plus whatever extra costs for this project, so as to offer port specialization on this construction. I do hope that this is pleasing to your government, and as much as it is to us, we are willing offer supplements in stead of finance, if your government should so desire it. If it is oil, I am certain that Al Arabbiya Oil Company would be glad to arrange an exchange.

"In any case, I think that this is a very profitable enterprise, and if there is any way that we can make this work, we will gladly supply it - within reason of course."

[ooc: a response?]

"Unfortunately, with the current conflict in the Mediterranean crisis looming between one of our allies and one of yours - an otherwise mutual friend between our two states - the Emirate cannot commit to naval exercises, especially in the Mediterranean. It is furthermore in our interest to preserve the existing naval patrols, to prevent our neutrality from being violated by surreptitious infringements from all parties in the conflict. As for a trading pact, we can arrange some sort of deal. We are uncertain as to the needs and requirements of special resources, but we can procure the trade of materials offered by the Emirate and the UCF. Your offer for space equipment is well placed, and I have relayed this revelation to my father. I am certain that he will accept this proposal, as it is likely to promote the burgeoning cooperation between our two states.

"But before we sign this treaty, I would like to specifically about making a trade for naval designs for construction, citing an offer that you have made earlier concerning plans and drafts for naval vessels. It is not entirely crucial, but my father has decided that if possible, we should procure specific rights as soon as possible, so as to set for dock specialization. After all, building a ship on paper is much different than building it in a dock. In sum, I would like to offer the following deal:

"For the drafts and plans for the Charles de Gaulle aircraft carrier, we wish to arrange the payment of $100bil. We wish also secure a number of specialists from France who are specialized in its construction - with a dowry of $100,000 per specialist per year to arrive, and convenience of $50,000 paid to your government for their procurement.

"For the drafts and plans for the La Fayette class Frigate, we wish to offer $50bil, and the same sort of arrangement for specialists for its construction as before.

"Hmm... the list was shorter than I had expected. But I suppose Abu (father) did not wish to overextend the generosity. But in case, the Emirate is willing to expend $150 bil, plus whatever extra costs for this project, so as to offer port specialization on this construction. I do hope that this is pleasing to your government, and as much as it is to us, we are willing offer supplements in stead of finance, if your government should so desire it. If it is oil, I am certain that Al Arabbiya Oil Company would be glad to arrange an exchange.

"In any case, I think that this is a very profitable enterprise, and if there is any way that we can make this work, we will gladly supply it - within reason of course."

We are willing to have the two ships plans and drafts up to your government as soon as possible. We will have 600 Naval Officers and 1200 Naval Enlisted Personnel with specilities in these ships. We will say they are Temporary Duty to your Naval R & D. We are willing to take $75 Billion in oil and $5 Billion in oil for the next 10 years or until the first two ships of each class is built.

The Sky Marshal has also instructed me to as for a agreement of 200,000,000 barrels per day in oil and we will be willing to pay in exchange for the oil. We will pay 10 Billion a month for the oil.

[ooc: some details that we need to work out...

1 - I can't sell you 200,000,000 bbl/day of oil, because I don't even produce 200,000,000 bbl/day worth of oil. The maximum that I could probably afford to sell is 2,000,000 bbl/day.

2 - "We are willing to take $75 Billion in oil and $5 Billion in oil for the next 10 years" - does that make $80bil in oil for the next ten years?

3 - 600 officers and 1200 enlists... what about technicians to help build the ships?

4 - Consider my counter-proposal...because that make simply things a little bit].

::Aziz::

"Well, let us examine this again. The arrangement for the drafts and plans for the two ships total $150bil. The 1,800 additional men will cost $270mil. The total coast would be $150.27 bil.

"We can make an arrangement through Al Arabbiya Oil to sell you over 10 years $80bil worth of oil - which at the standard Al Arabbiya rate of $40 per bbl, would equate to roughly 550,000 bbl per day for the next ten years. The remainder of the Emirate payment obligations amounts to about $70.27bil - which we can pay in finance or by other means again. Is this something like what you had in mind?"

[ooc: some details that we need to work out...

1 - I can't sell you 200,000,000 bbl/day of oil, because I don't even produce 200,000,000 bbl/day worth of oil. The maximum that I could probably afford to sell is 2,000,000 bbl/day.

2 - "We are willing to take $75 Billion in oil and $5 Billion in oil for the next 10 years" - does that make $80bil in oil for the next ten years?

3 - 600 officers and 1200 enlists... what about technicians to help build the ships?

4 - Consider my counter-proposal...because that make simply things a little bit].

::Aziz::

"Well, let us examine this again. The arrangement for the drafts and plans for the two ships total $150bil. The 1,800 additional men will cost $270mil. The total coast would be $150.27 bil.

"We can make an arrangement through Al Arabbiya Oil to sell you over 10 years $80bil worth of oil - which at the standard Al Arabbiya rate of $40 per bbl, would equate to roughly 550,000 bbl per day for the next ten years. The remainder of the Emirate payment obligations amounts to about $70.27bil - which we can pay in finance or by other means again. Is this something like what you had in mind?"

::MacKenize::

"Well, we have thought about it and agree to your changes to the agreement. The reason why I have sent you 1800 members of our naval forces is that these people have been working on the two ships that you have requested. If you would like I could also also send you some more personnel that have worked on the two ships. We are agree to all changes to the agreement and any further changes too."

:: Aziz ::

"Then we are settled on the schematics of the proposal. As far as the actual personnel, I think that an additional 200 specialists set for the construction of these vessels would be in order - to make the number a clear 2000 men. We will extend our rate to these men, but it changes very little else. Our final declaration would be a payment of $150.3 billion, of which $80bil would be offered in oil commodity, totalling to about 550,000 bbl/day of fuel. The remainder is a payment of $70.3bil, which we can wire immediately. Are we settled on this trade, in final sum?

If so, we can manage the other proposal that you had for us."

:: Aziz ::

"Then we are settled on the schematics of the proposal. As far as the actual personnel, I think that an additional 200 specialists set for the construction of these vessels would be in order - to make the number a clear 2000 men. We will extend our rate to these men, but it changes very little else. Our final declaration would be a payment of $150.3 billion, of which $80bil would be offered in oil commodity, totalling to about 550,000 bbl/day of fuel. The remainder is a payment of $70.3bil, which we can wire immediately. Are we settled on this trade, in final sum?

If so, we can manage the other proposal that you had for us."

::to Aziz::

"Your Highness we are in an agreement then. We are now ready to take care of the other proposal your Highness."

::to Aziz::

"Your Highness we are in an agreement then. We are now ready to take care of the other proposal your Highness."

::Aziz::

"Very well. I have registered the deal with the Emirate and the Al Arabiyya Company - I am permitted to sign the deal."

Aziz signs the deal for the following:

The Emirate receives from the UCF -
* Charles de Gaulle Carrier plans and drafts - $100bil
* La Fayette Frigate plans and drafts - $50bil
* 1800 military personnel to train the Emirate Navy - $270mil
* 200 specialists to aid in construction of the two vessels in Dubai - $30mil

= total $150.3bil

The UCF receives from the Emirate -
* 550,000 bbl/day for 10 years [amounting to about $80bil in total]
* $70.3 bil in treasury finance [cash]

= total $150.3bil


That done, he relaxed as the next proposal was considered: "You wish to arrange the settlement for additional oil and natural gas supplies for the UCF now?"

::Aziz::

"Very well. I have registered the deal with the Emirate and the Al Arabiyya Company - I am permitted to sign the deal."

Aziz signs the deal for the following:

The Emirate receives from the UCF -
* Charles de Gaulle Carrier plans and drafts - $100bil
* La Fayette Frigate plans and drafts - $50bil
* 1800 military personnel to train the Emirate Navy - $270mil
* 200 specialists to aid in construction of the two vessels in Dubai - $30mil

= total $150.3bil

The UCF receives from the Emirate -
* 550,000 bbl/day for 10 years [amounting to about $80bil in total]
* $70.3 bil in treasury finance [cash]

= total $150.3bil


That done, he relaxed as the next proposal was considered: "You wish to arrange the settlement for additional oil and natural gas supplies for the UCF now?"

::MacKenzie::

"I find no mistakes with the agreement and I as the head of the United Citizen's Federation signs this agreement with the Emirate."

Looks at the agreement and is happy with the agreement with the Emirate.

"Your Highness we would like to arrange the settlement for additional oil and natural gas supplies. What could your nation produces for use in a year. We are willing to sign a 25 year agreement with your nation."

::MacKenzie::

"I find no mistakes with the agreement and I as the head of the United Citizen's Federation signs this agreement with the Emirate."

Looks at the agreement and is happy with the agreement with the Emirate.

"Your Highness we would like to arrange the settlement for additional oil and natural gas supplies. What could your nation produces for use in a year. We are willing to sign a 25 year agreement with your nation."

::Aziz::

The Emirate can produce a vast quantity, but due to corporate regulations, we cannot offer its entire quantity for use by a single state. I think it would be better for you to tell us how much you need per day, and we can arrange to supply whatever is within our capacity to supply it. Also, we would like to reduce the contract from 25 years to 20 years, as it would be more flexible for both of us.

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::Aziz::

The Emirate can produce a vast quantity, but due to corporate regulations, we cannot offer its entire quantity for use by a single state. I think it would be better for you to tell us how much you need per day, and we can arrange to supply whatever is within our capacity to supply it. Also, we would like to reduce the contract from 25 years to 20 years, as it would be more flexible for both of us.

OOC: Sorry for the long delay I have been trying to get things in order before I get a hold of you.

IC:

::MacKenzie::

We would like the max amount that you can allow to one nation. We are will to change from 25 years to 20 years.

::Aziz::

"Very well.

We can arrange a contract for our maximum quantity to be set at 2,000,000 bbl/day for 20 years. The current standard Al Arabbiya rate is $40. We can sign a contract to supply oil at this rate for 20 years, coming out to $80,000,000 per day, or $29,200,000,000 per year [$29.2bil per year]. If this is agreeable, we can sign the contract for this."

::Aziz::

"Very well.

We can arrange a contract for our maximum quantity to be set at 2,000,000 bbl/day for 20 years. The current standard Al Arabbiya rate is $40. We can sign a contract to supply oil at this rate for 20 years, coming out to $80,000,000 per day, or $29,200,000,000 per year [$29.2bil per year]. If this is agreeable, we can sign the contract for this."

::MacKenzie::

"We would like to pay the sum of $30 Billion per year. If you have the contract here now we can sign them and get this started. We are ready to send tankers to your nation to start the transfer of oil. We again thank you for everything that you have started."

"We would like to also know if your willing to start a naval wargames in the Sea of Japan and Persian Gulf to show a joint defense training of our two nations?"

ooc: do you wish to continue this?

ooc: do you wish to continue this?

ooc: sure that would be great.

ooc: sure that would be great.

I fill in the rest for you guys.

ALM: What else is on the agenda?

MC: :confused: I don't know. What do you want to talk about.

ALM: UM, whatever you want...

MC: UMMM, how about those wargames I mentioned early?

ALM: I'll have to think about it.

MC: Ok

ALM: Anything else?

MC: Sure...

Yeah, I'm bored and decided to take a little creative licensing in continuing the conversation. How I do? Close to the mark, way off the mark or somewhere in between?

I'm also available for weekends. :D

ooc: maybe... I've just realized that I have to wait for Candistan to do something; otherwise, the stuff we write might no longer be pertinent, but if you've got anything to say [MC], just say it.

At that moment, an aide approached Aziz as their talks were somewhat diminishing. He turned and listened to the grave news. Fortune or fate?


"Mr. MacKenzie, I'm afraid that we will have to consider these talks at another time. It seems that complications at home require my presence there. If at the worst, we can continue these discussions in Crete sometime?'