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Hey, the title says it all, but why are there so many new earths coming around? There used to be 3 (E20, E-V, and E-II), but now there are like 7 or 8. (E20, E-V, E-II, SYAE, E-N/A, TPE, WWE, and AMW).

There is definitely enough empty space to shrink the numbers of Earths. Why so many of them?

People like earths, it gives them something solid they to hold on to.

Thats my guess anyway.

Yah, but why so many new ones? Can't people be happy with the old ones? There have been five new earths in the past two weeks!

Earth V is full to bursting, E20 has a complicated system and E:2 I dunno about. Each Earth has it's own little difference. Like WWEarth starts in 1897 while most are Modern or close to being modern.

Also, because most folks miss out. Usually by the time I notice a new earth game, the founder and one or two of his friends have already claimed like.. HALF the damn globe.

You get people coming in like, "Oh yeah! I claim the USA and Canada and Mexico and England!"

And then what's that leave for anyone else. I'll tell you what. Crap! That's what.

Also, because most folks miss out. Usually by the time I notice a new earth game, the founder and one or two of his friends have already claimed like.. HALF the damn globe.

You get people coming in like, "Oh yeah! I claim the USA and Canada and Mexico and England!"

And then what's that leave for anyone else. I'll tell you what. Crap! That's what.

Precisely why I think that my World War Earth will be more successful.

those two guys above are right, if you wanna join a new earth HALF of it has been taken by the creator and then comes the people "i want to claim China, Russia, the united states, mexico and GB" and as blub said you just got crap to choose.

I just noticed that everyone whose posted here, aside from the threads creator, is either a member of WWE, or is the founder of it.....

Because people are uncreative and can't draw their own map or are lame and don't like RPing their own fictional nation but post on NS anyway.

Too many RISK fans I guess

It's a postmodern reflection on the futility of life. Always.

umm... odd.

I want to know what's so wrong with Africa, Russia, South America, and other countries? Yes they are poor, but that just makes it more challenging. Heck, in the one Earth I'm in, I only claimed a part of Europe because I am more or less in WW1-WW2 for History.

Now than, if the owner claims half the land for himself, than basically, if you are fine with it, join it, and if you aren't, well, don't.

Also, look at islands with a little more value than you do. They take up a wide range of land, and as such, they are good ways to trade. Japan was a series of islands for the most part.

Meh. Basically, from what I've read above, people are making new ones to make the challenge (where 'fun' comes from) go away. Real Smart people. I decided to give up part of my land (well, more or less joint-control) in that Earth because I didn't want to look like a split of a country (it was connected by water, but still, not much), and some other reason.

People came here for the challenge of controlling a country. Well, with Earths, you can control two of them. Hey, that reminds me of another OOC thread I am going to make about the special 'world' which we call [Open].

I have an idea for people who want to make new Earths. Instead of taking a real Earth, create a new one. Make the planet as big as you want, and go crazy with make making. It has to wrap around of course, but really, try making your own map, and make an all new Earth.

We should just ban earths. They've become so abused, it's not even funny. :cool:

Why not just create a forum called "II EARTH".

*Sarcasm*

We should just ban earths. They've become so abused, it's not even funny. :cool:

I agree

Because people are uncreative and can't draw their own map or are lame and don't like RPing their own fictional nation but post on NS anyway.
:D QFT.

I still think there are TOO MANY RISK FANS (lol)

Yah, but why so many new ones? Can't people be happy with the old ones? There have been five new earths in the past two weeks!

It's anti Dogpiling measure.
"Ha your alliance 200 nations can't touch me because you don't exist here!"

Well, in that case, try joining their dogpile. :rolleyes:

Since this is OOC, can I please know what QFT means?

So, does anybody else have a reason why they think there are too many Earths?

So far, the list seems to be this:

Anti-Dog Piling
Anti-Challenger Move
Land Grabber Maneuver
Earth-V is Bursting
E20 is too hard to understand.
E-II is just ignored or something like that.

Heck, I bet you I could create some rules to make the first three obsolete.

1. No military alliances of more than 8% of the members.
2. Add an interesting aspect into the Earth, or make a new Earth.
3. Put caps on Land Grabs, and make it more fair for newer NS players.
4. Don't Change Earth-V. It is successful.
5. E20 is another to not change. It keeps the advanced players busy.
6. Check out all Earths before making a new one, and see if there is land, and the idea is interesting. If it's too noobish/newbish/both, don't join.
7. Join an Earth, only after you have a concrete "Open" World Country (OWCs I'll call them).
8. Don't create an Earth unless you have been in II for more than three months.
9. Limit Player to 2 Earths or less not counting OWCs.

Does that work?

With respect to all, and for some input from a People's Earth member here, part of the reason Earths might be becoming more popular now is that most of the old Earths aren't even just eaten up anymore; they're dead or at best horribly inactive. I checked out most of the worlds on the Earths' list myself looking for somewhere the United Socialist States of Wagdog could call home, and easily half of those threads didn't even exist anymore AFAIK. The others there mostly suffer from the problems listed above me: a greedy Earth-mod and/or their worse friends...:headbang:
Most of all, in my opinion, Earths give a place for those of us who try to be more "grounded" in the nations we create. Even our NSWorld forms are frequently just personal versions of a real-world country, such as the innumerable "Neo-USSR" type countries out there. Is that necessarily wrong, or somehow less worthy than turning one's surname into a country?
Example: I myself imagined Wagdog initially as just another "Red America" like probably zillions of others; a country where nothing went according to common sense (hence the name, and the currency being the "fiat" as in "fiat money" instead of the dollar), but fortunately changed that over time into its current incarnation as a Pan-Pacific and pseudo-mystical modern state due to my two regional affiliations thus far in the game (a Pacific-I-forget-which and Lazarus). Not all of us can be Automagfreeks or Goddessnesses, a privilege though that would doubtless be.:cool:
Oh, last thing; a good *tag* for Nod.:D The tech problem would only make the dogpiling problems worse on a mandatory NSWorld RP environment. I could easily see some LOTR nations being griefed out of the game by the PMT or FT wankers before things got under control again...

Oh God...another one just sprung up...

You know why I made World War Earth? Because I was bored with NS Rps. None of them have any originality anymore. They are merely argument fests which ultimately result in some country getting pissed because a smaller one challenged them, and they bring in a hundred million troops to stroke their ego, rather than truly test who is the better writer/commander on the field of battle.


I made WWE because I wanted to see something with real technology, because I prefer realism to fantacism any day. (That, and because I am a big fan of the World War One time period....)

You know why I made World War Earth? Because I was bored with NS Rps. None of them have any originality anymore. They are merely argument fests which ultimately result in some country getting pissed because a smaller one challenged them, and they bring in a hundred million troops to stroke their ego, rather than truly test who is the better writer/commander on the field of battle.


I made WWE because I wanted to see something with real technology, because I prefer realism to fantacism any day. (That, and because I am a big fan of the World War One time period....)

I don't know about you, but I think you're not looking at ...well... at least 60% of the RP's around II and in the NS forum that don't involve that whatsoever. Check that again.


Why not put a little more effort into it by creating your own world, new borders, new nations (perhaps, your NS nation rather than a RL nation?), and go from there?

I don't know about you, but I think you're not looking at ...well... at least 60% of the RP's around II and in the NS forum that don't involve that whatsoever. Check that again.


Why not put a little more effort into it by creating your own world, new borders, new nations (perhaps, your NS nation rather than a RL nation?), and go from there?

I fear I disagree. I scower these forums and participate in a hell of alot of RPs, but lately they've just all seemed the same to me. I guess I'm just getting burnt out, know what I mean? So I'm doing something different then what I usually do (i.e, World War Earth). :D


I also happen to like using real life nations.

People like the mini NS Earths because it gives them more power than if the just regular RP. (at least thats my theory...)

by the way does any one have a complete list of all these Earths? I wanna write an NSWiki article on it.

People like the mini NS Earths because it gives them more power than if the just regular RP. (at least thats my theory...)

by the way does any one have a complete list of all these Earths? I wanna write an NSWiki article on it.

Actually, in reality you have less power in an Earth, because everything is more regulated. I like it because it is more realistic.

Actually, in reality you have less power in an Earth, because everything is more regulated. I like it because it is more realistic.

you think so?
like im not arguing against these Earth (proud SYAE member). Maybe because its more realistic is why people like them.?

I agree

I fear I disagree. I scower these forums and participate in a hell of alot of RPs, but lately they've just all seemed the same to me. I guess I'm just getting burnt out, know what I mean? So I'm doing something different then what I usually do (i.e, World War Earth). :D


I also happen to like using real life nations.
I empathise, Wanderjar. Your point's even better on considering that many of those more annoying RPs (*ahem* The Morocco War and its equally-tiring spinoffs... */ahem*) aren't even properly bad godmodding. They're just enough within the rules that the rules lawyering can keep them alive and let the n00king or suchlike wonder-wanking continue unabated.
I'm no realism purist of course, since I plan to buy some "almost were" experimental weapons in the future for mass use, but I try to stay within the bounds of the currently doable in principle so far. But seeing "Wars of Extermination" explicitly declared simply in retaliation for being accused of sinking one passenger liner and, following some apparently de rigeur satellite strikes, a peace conference where one of the two main belligerents actually demands the other hand over their leadership and the offending sub's crew for beheading gets to be a turnoff very quickly even for a mere reader.
For Cookesland, here you go;): http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=390379

Hmm..., from what I see, you made WWE to start some originality. In doing so though, you take originality from the OWCs. (Read up to my last post)

So, in theory, you yourself are trying to hoard originality from the non-WWE members. :(

Well, seeing that people like realism, why don't we add a section to our factbooks, known as the 'Rules' section. It could outline what can't happen to them in a war, and things like that.

Earths are basically off-site RPs that use NationStates for publicity. Ever since they started they have drained activity away from the main game.

My opinion all these Earth Threads keep widning the gap between veteran gamers and new gamers. And thoes that want to RP more than War than war all the time. My NSpals and I countlessly see a thread that might catch our intrest then we see the following tags like: Earth 20,235,212, CLOSED, or: I expect you to have Roleplaying skills that are so darn good.... (in other words: I hate noobs so stay away noobs) I'm sorry a few inexperienced gamers come in and do stupid things, but why does everyone use that as an excuse? Why do people let a few inexperienced gamers ruin the game?

Hey, the title says it all, but why are there so many new earths coming around? There used to be 3 (E20, E-V, and E-II), but now there are like 7 or 8. (E20, E-V, E-II, SYAE, E-N/A, TPE, WWE, and AMW).

There is definitely enough empty space to shrink the numbers of Earths. Why so many of them?

I thought that the forums were always like this, and I would have to say, I think that AMW has the highest quality RPing on the entire forum, better than your supposed original three. I believe that AMW was one of the first earth RPs, and the first to have their emphasis on realism.

We should just ban earths. They've become so abused, it's not even funny. :cool:

I would agree to a ban on new earths, and n00b earths, but keep the established ones(E-II, E-V, AMW)

because most folks miss out. Usually by the time I notice a new earth game, the founder and one or two of his friends have already claimed like.. HALF the damn globe.

You get people coming in like, "Oh yeah! I claim the USA and Canada and Mexico and England!"

And then what's that leave for anyone else. I'll tell you what. Crap! That's what.

That is not true in quality earths, where they leave plenty for decent claims.


My opinion all these Earth Threads keep widning the gap between veteran gamers and new gamers. And thoes that want to RP more than War than war all the time. My NSpals and I countlessly see a thread that might catch our intrest then we see the following tags like: Earth 20,235,212, CLOSED, or: I expect you to have Roleplaying skills that are so darn good.... (in other words: I hate noobs so stay away noobs) I'm sorry a few inexperienced gamers come in and do stupid things, but why does everyone use that as an excuse? Why do people let a few inexperienced gamers ruin the game?

Not true, AMW gave me a place where I could go even though I am a new RPer to the forums. They took me in an taught me the ropes, and now I would consider myself better off for their kindness and a stronger RPer than had I gone at it alone.

That is not true in quality earths, where they leave plenty for decent claims.


And in the "quality" earths, they're already full or all the good nations are taken. I don't know about you, but I don't log onto NS to play Zulukakabingbanglalaland in fucking central Africa. Especially when I see people claiming half of south america for themselves, or the USA, Canada, the UK, Germany and Russia and going "HAHA OMG U NOOB THERE'S STILL SO MANY GOOD NATIONS LEFT! PLAY MONGOLIA!" .. if those nations were so great to play, why didn't YOU choose them.

Well that's great for you, I'm glad I wish I had someone to show me the ropes when I started. (though I didn't do too bad in my first RP) but there are countless other newcommers that want to Ropleplay their nation but don't seem to have a way to do it. Maybe they want to RP their nation in an Earth Style Subject Like World War II or the Age of Imperialism

Well that's great for you, I'm glad I wish I had someone to show me the ropes when I started. (though I didn't do too bad in my first RP) but there are countless other newcommers that want to Ropleplay their nation but don't seem to have a way to do it. Maybe they want to RP their nation in an Earth Style Subject Like World War II or the Age of Imperialism

I am fine with Alternate history and historical earths, but that is not what a majority of the n00b earths are. Join E-V, there is plenty still open, or AMW, plenty still open there too, but don't make a earth where you become the one that claims half of the americas for yourself before opening it up for claims.

And in the "quality" earths, they're already full or all the good nations are taken. I don't know about you, but I don't log onto NS to play Zulukakabingbanglalaland in fucking central Africa. Especially when I see people claiming half of south america for themselves, or the USA, Canada, the UK, Germany and Russia and going "HAHA OMG U NOOB THERE'S STILL SO MANY GOOD NATIONS LEFT! PLAY MONGOLIA!" .. if those nations were so great to play, why didn't YOU choose them.

I am sorry that you want to come in fresh of the Create a Nation page and be the most powerful nation in the world, I took a minor nation (Greece) and have turned it into a world power, it is a challenge, but it is possible, I am fine with Alternate History earths, and Historical RPs, but please, the majority of the new ones are modern times RPs that are imitations of the bigger ones, that is the actual places that all of the gigantic claims are coming from.

I personally would like to see more NSRP's and fewer Earths. I agree the biggest problmes are Claim-wanks

I just find it depressing when you read what appears to be an excellent thread, but which is closed to a small number of nations in little elite clubs. As for their being more Earth's created every day, most of them are simply claim-wanking, as already stated. However, those created for a specific time-period I can understand.

Although...isn't the point of this game to create a new nation from scratch?

I personally would like to see more NSRP's and fewer Earths. I agree the biggest problmes are Claim-wanks

In the new earths, this is the case, but as I said before, older earths have matured past this phase in their lives.

Well that's great for you, I'm glad I wish I had someone to show me the ropes when I started. (though I didn't do too bad in my first RP) but there are countless other newcommers that want to Ropleplay their nation but don't seem to have a way to do it. Maybe they want to RP their nation in an Earth Style Subject Like World War II or the Age of Imperialism
Exactly. This is especially true of those I mentioned, who have their country as an alternate of a real-world land (like one restored-DDR I saw in a region some days ago). But if you're going to do that in an Earth-style subject, then why not just build an Earth to go with it and claim those territories you imagine yourself ruling (if they're available).
I guess I'm slightly different because in The People's Earth I took advantage of joining early to claim those islands my OWC form already rules and rule as Wagdog. Not with my NS population or military, but otherwise identical. The RL population and resources of my TPE incarnation can hardly count as claim-wanking, by far. Meta-TPE, In "Open World Wagdog" terms, TPE-Wagdog is merely one director's vision of our country in a popular series of TV movies (the RPs) starring our country and several others as if they were actors; complete with their government officials playing their own roles whenever shooting time can be found.:cool:

Its nice to see that so many people are concerned with the quality of Earth's, I was given to understand that the majority of you were like the people who decided it was a good idea to target my thread before I even posted the rules and organization of my idea.

Oh, and Buristan, you like alt-hist, right? TG me, maybe you can help me flesh my idea out a little.

That is why I get tired of seeing all these earths. Why even make a nation if you aren't going to play it?

I really didn't mind it so much but now there is an endless surge of them. I'm sure older ones are fine, but a lot of the newer ones, tsk.

I mean one of my NSBuddies tried to start a Historical NSImperialism (With NS nations) but like only 5 people ever signed up. I would have signed up if it wasn't before my nations time.

Its nice to see that so many people are concerned with the quality of Earth's, I was given to understand that the majority of you were like the people who decided it was a good idea to target my thread before I even posted the rules and organization of my idea.

Oh, and Buristan, you like alt-hist, right? TG me, maybe you can help me flesh my idea out a little.

I could help you, I hope! where is the linky? :p

http://forums.jolt.co.uk/showthread.php?t=516138

There ya go, Buristan. Dont mind the spam >_>

That is why I get tired of seeing all these earths. Why even make a nation if you aren't going to play it?

I really didn't mind it so much but now there is an endless surge of them. I'm sure older ones are fine, but a lot of the newer ones, tsk.

I mean one of my NSBuddies tried to start a Historical NSImperialism (With NS nations) but like only 5 people ever signed up. I would have signed up if it wasn't before my nations time.

I tried to do this, but I couldn't find a place, so I just gave up. Back a couple months back, I made a history for my nation but I never finished it.

Yeah, yet an EarthImperialism thread get's 200 people

Bah the whole thing has been the same since Chellis' first Rl nation claims thread way back when and it myriad imitators and the resultant claim wank earths (i think there was even an earth infinity +1 at one point...)

Yes many of the earths suck majorly but many of them are very good indeed particularly if they allow you to indulge in Rp types that can be very difficult in open NSworld II.

I can't really comment at length about any other "earth" bar AMW, which while never the msot popular of Rp groups has been remarkably succesful, mainly due to its flexible and often slow pace which allows the entire string of tiem to remain functionign despite soem massive RL upheavals.

I like AMW as it does offer a very different experience in II Crookfur is a massive antion fully capable of throwing its weight around where ever it wants where as in AMW i play Malawi (ok so a malawi that has managed to drag itself out of the top ten worst palces to live), which forces me to be much more careful and detailed in how i RP, defence budgets actually start to mean something in a group like AMW. This i think highlights the main positive of AMW, you don't have to be one of the "good" nations to generate fun RP experiences. In all lieklyhood this is the same for the other Earths that have stodd the test of time.

Earths are basically off-site RPs that use NationStates for publicity. Ever since they started they have drained activity away from the main game.

Actually, E20 is entirely NS based. Every IC action happens on the NS threads we create.


And speaking for myself, I've only managed to have one good experience on main NS roleplay, and that was a now long deleted nation. Had a great little war with a friend of mine, got overwhelmed by numbers and started a resistance movement. Then the thread died. *sigh*

Every other time I've tried to do mainstream NS I've been turned off by the sheer amount of number/tech/whatever wank that occurs. (for instance, in one thread some guy had flying aircraft carriers. WTF?) I prefer to stick to closed RPs because I know that the people in them are usually not gonna be wanking.

Yah, but why so many new ones? Can't people be happy with the old ones? There have been five new earths in the past two weeks!

This trend has occured before. I fondly remember the explosion of Earth's surrounding the formation of E-II and E-V. As other members have already noted, interested parties, in the pursuit of making their own multi-continental superpower, become frustrated when they discover established earths are filled to the brim and simply resort to crafting a cheap imitation in which their ambitions can be fufilled. Of course, as most of these earths are poorly planned and even more poorly managed/executed, I imagine that a majority of them will collapse within a week or two (maybe even sooner, depending on the circumstances).

However, this is not to say that a few of these new Earths don't have any potential. Indeed, with a healthy member base and solid administration, I'm sure WWE or SYAE could become as popular and compelling as AMW or E-II or any of the other communities out there.

I am fine with Alternate history and historical earths

Unfortunantely, though, such Earths are typically the fastest to die. Only E20 has managed to escape the trend and actually gone on to become a successful venture.

I personally would like to see more NSRP's and fewer Earths.

I'm sure everyone would like to see that. But, there are some members who simply lack the time or imagination to formulate a well-thought out NS Nation. Instead, they stick to more tangiable concepts where the history, culture and other tiny details have already been decided. It makes for alot less time-consuming experience.

I would agree to a ban on new earths, and n00b earths, but keep the established ones(E-II, E-V, AMW)

Then we would have to establish a criteria for what a 'n00b' earth actually entails.

This trend has occured before. I fondly remember the explosion of Earth's surrounding the formation of E-II and E-V. As other members have already noted, interested parties, in the pursuit of making their own multi-continental superpower, become frustrated when they discover established earths are filled to the brim and simply resort to crafting a cheap imitation in which their ambitions can be fufilled. Of course, as most of these earths are poorly planned and even more poorly managed/executed, I imagine that a majority of them will collapse within a week or two (maybe even sooner, depending on the circumstances).

However, this is not to say that a few of these new Earths don't have any potential. Indeed, with a healthy member base and solid administration, I'm sure WWE or SYAE could become as popular and compelling as AMW or E-II or any of the other communities out there.



Unfortunantely, though, such Earths are typically the fastest to die. Only E20 has managed to escape the trend and actually gone on to become a successful venture.



I'm sure everyone would like to see that. But, there are some members who simply lack the time or imagination to formulate a well-thought out NS Nation. Instead, they stick to more tangiable concepts where the history, culture and other tiny details have already been decided. It makes for alot less time-consuming experience.



Then we would have to establish a criteria for what a 'n00b' earth actually entails.

So, you consider me a "Noob", when I infact have been here longer than you, eh Havvy?

So, you consider me a "Noob", when I infact have been here longer than you, eh Havvy?

Umm...., no. You quoted somebody else, and that person quoted many people. I didn't say anybody was a n00b. Heck, the proper term would be ch00b, but I haven't called anybody either of those.

(Ch00b means "hi-leveled" N00b)

This trend has occured before. I fondly remember the explosion of Earth's surrounding the formation of E-II and E-V. As other members have already noted, interested parties, in the pursuit of making their own multi-continental superpower, become frustrated when they discover established earths are filled to the brim and simply resort to crafting a cheap imitation in which their ambitions can be fufilled. Of course, as most of these earths are poorly planned and even more poorly managed/
executed, I imagine that a majority of them will collapse within a week or two (maybe even sooner, depending on the circumstances).

I may have joined one of those dieing earths.

However, this is not to say that a few of these new Earths don't have any potential. Indeed, with a healthy member base and solid administration, I'm sure WWE or SYAE could become as popular and compelling as AMW or E-II or any of the other communities out there.

I believe that you can put AMW in with WWE & SYAE. I haven't seen before less than 2 weeks ago. I guarantee you, that since the NS member base has been declining (or at least the puppet nations), that more Earths is not needed. It may be one reason some people are leaving. If one of them survives, good, as new players will have a broader selection to look for.

I'm sure everyone would like to see that. But, there are some members who simply lack the time or imagination to formulate a well-thought out NS Nation. Instead, they stick to more tangiable concepts where the history, culture and other tiny details have already been decided. It makes for alot less time-consuming experience.

Well, I guess I'm the opposite way. I created my own nation, (except for the map, which was created by Beautiful Yaluxorius, a member in the region I am in) and I haven't used NS Tracker for my main stats. I don't want a nation that grows at 5 million per day. I have a nation with 12.7 million people. Each person isn't a number, and as such, they aren't treated as 'my play toys'. I got my base from a map. That map was 60% fictional (It had Sicily on it, because it's the region I'm in), and I'm making my country off it. Oh well, some people don't like to do such, and well, they would rather have an Earth to rp on. Again, the challenge feature comes into play.

I like AMW as it does offer a very different experience in II Crookfur is a massive antion fully capable of throwing its weight around where ever it wants where as in AMW i play Malawi (ok so a malawi that has managed to drag itself out of the top ten worst palces to live), which forces me to be much more careful and detailed in how i RP, defence budgets actually start to mean something in a group like AMW. This i think highlights the main positive of AMW, you don't have to be one of the "good" nations to generate fun RP experiences. In all lieklyhood this is the same for the other Earths that have stodd the test of time.

My spellchecker counts 5 misspelled words, not counting fictional words (AMW, Crookfur, ect.)

Anyways, I am glad that you found a challenge. Keep at it.

I would agree to a ban on new earths, and n00b earths, but keep the established ones(E-II, E-V, AMW)

Just for reference. It wasn't me who said it.

I suppose I can understand why some people would prefer an Earth to RP in. They already have their map, history, tech, and politics, though they can take things in a different direction from RL Earth. But, IMO, it's also more limited than starting from scratch with your NS nation.

I believe that you can put AMW in with WWE & SYAE. I haven't seen before less than 2 weeks ago. I guarantee you, that since the NS member base has been declining (or at least the puppet nations), that more Earths is not needed. It may be one reason some people are leaving. If one of them survives, good, as new players will have a broader selection to look for.


Actually, it is one of the oldest earths on the game, it just has had a boost in activity recently thanks to the rise of a new generation of RPers for it, go look at the recruitment and discussion page, it is older than your nation itself. Check your facts before you jump to conclusions, sport.

What is this, the 10th thread on this topic?

What is this, the 10th thread on this topic?

Probably.

Actually, E20 is entirely NS based. Every IC action happens on the NS threads we create.


No, no. He's right. Even though E20 uses the NS boards, it does its own thing and don't participate in the community of nationstates games at large. E20 is a parasite: it takes up space but doesn't add anything to the experience of non-E20-players.

The same can be said for other "earths" only less so because they still use NS nations, for the most part.

And speaking for myself, I've only managed to have one good experience on main NS roleplay, and that was a now long deleted nation. Had a great little war with a friend of mine, got overwhelmed by numbers and started a resistance movement. Then the thread died. *sigh*

Every other time I've tried to do mainstream NS I've been turned off by the sheer amount of number/tech/whatever wank that occurs. (for instance, in one thread some guy had flying aircraft carriers. WTF?) I prefer to stick to closed RPs because I know that the people in them are usually not gonna be wanking.

I agree with this. E20 makes it hard to number/tech wank becuase of the point system we use and tech system, and the large realism of the game

Most alternate history RP's die becuase their meant for a purpose. Eg. Civil war Alternate History. E20 didn't die becuase it wasn't centered around one moment, it was meant to be played from 1900 to whenever we wanted to restart, and the fact we're in 1926 of our second game says a lot

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Who is this Havvy guy? Go preach in the NS forum. II is for those who wish to enjoy the game the way they want to play it.

And some of us have been doing it far far far longer than you.

Could this or could this not be taken as a personal attack? I'm sure that many people have been doing things like that. I roleplay in the open community, and I'm not attacking Earths in general.

I'm just trying to figure out why there have been so many new earths, when you can easily join another one.

It seems there is a variety of reasons.

One reason, the wankers in II, could be avoided by people trying to stay in it and not do such big wanking, and instead, show people how things are done.

Anyways, AMW seemed to spring up, but I guess it's been around longer than I have. I didn't see any threads for it, so I guess maybe that's why I thought it started in the past two weeks.

Anyways, if any moderator wants to lock this, go ahead, unless somebody else wants to make a point not yet talked about.

I altered my post as I was mislead as to you insulting Earth RPs.

Unfortunatly, this is quite popular with those who RP in the Nationstates Forum.. they act rather haughty.

I myself rp on NS and in E20. I find that the quality of post expected for a NSRP requires a gross amount of time... time that a University Student with a Full Time job cannot spare, but still wants to participate.

I altered my post as I was mislead as to you insulting Earth RPs.

Unfortunatly, this is quite popular with those who RP in the Nationstates Forum.. they act rather haughty.

I myself rp on NS and in E20. I find that the quality of post expected for a NSRP requires a gross amount of time... time that a University Student with a Full Time job cannot spare, but still wants to participate.

Unfortunately, this is quite popular, not only with NS'ers, but with a hell of a lot of II'ers too. Your stereotype of everyone who posts in NS fails.

Unfortunately, this is quite popular, not only with NS'ers, but with a hell of a lot of II'ers too. Your stereotype of everyone who posts in NS fails.

You mean that when NSers come here and say that the quality of RPs in II is inferior due to the length and details of posts is done in II? A simple trip to the irc channel can only confirm this.

"Oh, you post on II? I see."

You mean that when NSers come here and say that the quality of RPs in II is inferior due to the length and details of posts is done in II? A simple trip to the irc channel can only confirm this.

"Oh, you post on II? I see."


Another exaggerated post. I'm loving the continued generalizations.... because you know, 40-50 people (if that) on IRC = 100% of everyone who roleplays in the NS forum. Bravo.

Euro, Im done having this arguement with you. No point argueing with a mod.

Well, I am going to guess that Euroslavia has more experience here, because of her/his moderator duties. She/he has looked more at the NS forums and IRC than most people. She/he knowns that she/he is talking about.

Anyways, since the conversation turned into an argument, and I asked for it anyways, may a mod please lock this?

You mean that when NSers come here and say that the quality of RPs in II is inferior due to the length and details of posts is done in II? A simple trip to the irc channel can only confirm this.

"Oh, you post on II? I see."

Oh yes, because II is SO inferior to the endless variety of Vampire RP's and soccer you get on NS. And our posts arent six pages apiece.

I still want to see Vampire League Soccer.

Well, I am going to guess that Euroslavia has more experience here, because of her/his moderator duties. She/he has looked more at the NS forums and IRC than most people. She/he knowns that she/he is talking about.

Anyways, since the conversation turned into an argument, and I asked for it anyways, may a mod please lock this?


Done.